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we'll be 60 minutes every day from here on in. i'm ali velshi. thanks for joining us. ♪ good evening, everyone. welcome to al jazeera america. i'm john siegenthaler in new york. reports that u.s. drones assist in a two-day assault on an al-qaeda, yemen. crisis in ukraine, vice president biden shows support in kiev. targeted killing, hundreds massacred in south sudan. we'll tell you why. syria's war, a presidential election, scheduled in the middle of a civil war.
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the white house calls at it parody of democracy. and stow away, a teenager's claim of a depth defying journey. ♪ we begin tonight with attacks on al-qaeda. the government in yemen says dozens of al-qaeda fight verse been killed there. the use of drones by the united states is always controversial. drones have killed more than 4500 people around the world. nearly 400 of those civilians. the latest strikes targeted a major al-qaeda base in the southern mounce of abyan
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province. >> reporter: a yemeny official said all of this came after a gathering in yemen. instead this group went on without any interference. there is this video that shows the leader of aqap addressing the crowd. ral -- rallying the men. and he is heard on the video talking about attacking americans specifically. jay carney was asked about the u.s. role. >> we have a strong collaborative relationship with any yemeny government. we support their efforts to tackle terrorism within their own borders.
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in may 2013 president obama spoke atting length about the policy and legal rationale for how the united states takes direct action against al-qaeda. outside of areas of active hostilities. >> reporter: last spring, president obama gave a speech, outlining the u.s. drone policy, and he said any use overseas must be done only after consultation with partners and with respect to state sovereignty. on monday a federal appeals court ruled that the obama administration must disclose its legal justification for use drone strikes. this came after a strike in yemen. the question of whether drones should be used in yemen, the
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parliament passed a ban banning drones after killing prns in r -- participants in a wedding. so a complicated reaction in yemen as well as in the united states. >> thanks to libby casey at the white house. so americans have debated the use of drones for years. a federal court ruled the obama administration has to publicly disclose its justification for using drones. richelle carey is here with more. >> what happened is the court ruled in favor of a freedom of information -- and the american civil iberties union. [ inaudible ] justice department documents that killed a high-ranking al-qaeda leader in
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2001. he was also an american. this man was the suspect in an attempt to blow up a passenger over detroit. he went in to hiding this yemen wuls the allegations surfaced. at least one other american, an associate of his was also killed. the government admitted to the drone attack but refused requests to hand over documents about the program. in today's ruling, an appeals court determined the public has a right to know about legal justification for using drones to kill u.s. citizens. >> the government's own policy dictates there must be a near certainty that no civilians will be kill inned these strikes. and reports have repeatedly shown that civilians have been
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killed. there are serious questions that the government needs to answer, and this is an tarnths first step. >> release the drones said the queen. >> the 2001 drone attack sparked outrage. rand paul is among critics who accused the obama administration of denies americans due process. he expressed concerned that his drones could be used against u.s. citizens on american soil. drones have become a go-to weapon in battles out there yemen's mountainous regions. it expanded to pakistan two years later and continues to this day. a non-profit think tank in washington said there have been about 500 u.s. drone attacks in pakistan and yemen. up to 4500 people have been
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killed. john civil casualties are at the highest point last year, and that is because of people headed to a wedding in yemen. >> all right. richelle thank you. now to the crisis in ukraine. the u.s. began another - another -- diplomatic push to ease tensions. >> joe bidens visit to kiev is a welcome show of support for what is a beleaguered interim government. if you talk to people here in kiev about what they would like from this american visit. it is american military hardware even a commitment for america to send troops here, but there is not the slightest sign that american is inclined to do that,
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they are talking about economic and energy assistance, ways in which ukraine can be weaned off of its independence on russian natural gas which is one of then underlying causes of tension in eastern europe, but obviously that is a long-term measure. in the short-term the americans are talking about non-lethal military assistance, and further sanctions against russia, but the geneva accord it has to be said is looking very ropey now with mutual accusations between both sides, but activists occupying towns not showing any inclination that they are prepared to go anywhere yet. >> now chrisa welcome. >> great to be with you, john.
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>> you lived in ukraine and moscow. can you give me your own personal feelings about what you are seeing going on overseas? >> i think it's incredibly sad and dangerous. i was in ukraine in 1991 when the soviet union collapsed, and i remember then how thrilled and relieved ukrainians, russians, and the world was that the soviet union collapsed; that communism ended without the massive bloodshed that we saw in yugoslavia. and what is sad now is that may be now coming to pass. >> is the vice president's visit symbolic? >> yes. i think it's terrific he is there. i think, however, we all need to appreciate that symbols may not
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be enough. [ inaudible ] had shown that he is absolutely willing to ignore international law -- really, longly established international law, it's not a new rule that you don't invade countries, and also crucially, that he is willing to float the 1994 budapest memorandum in which ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons. and if ukraine having unilaterally given up his nuclear weapons, if it then finds itself gobbled up by itself neighbor, i think the whole non-proliferation movement is tremendously weakened. >> barnaby talked about weaning -- possibly weaning ukraine off of the natural gas that comes from russia, but is that a realistic possible? >> oh, absolutely.
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you know, i think actually absent the russian aggression, which we are seeing. ukraine today with its new provisional government and crucially with -- with a new people -- with a new mood in the country is actually really well positioned to finally fully reform its economy. there's no reason that ukraine, ten, 15 years from now, couldn't be on the same track that poland has very successfully is blocked -- >> but it needs billions of dollars, doesn't it? >> absolutely. but a big part the current crisis is that the government coffers were literally looted by the old regime. so i think it's wrong to think of ukraine as this irretrievable basket case. it has a tremendous agricultural base. it has a really great potential
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for its technology sector. so i think, you know, absent being envieded which tends to make economic reform difficult, i think there are some real chances. >> we also heard the discussion about non-lethal military assistance from the united states. what does that mean? >> i think that's really important. that is something which the u.s. provided to georgia in 2008 when you had russian aggression there. and what that would mean is providing the ukrainian army, yushgians with things like flak jackets, night vision goggles those sorts of things to help even things out and make it more possible for them to defend themselves. what we really want is to persuade russia not to go any further, and the truth is, it's not in russia's interest to push further either. >> it's good to see you.
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>> great to be with you. in nigeria there is more confusion over the kidnapping of dozens of schoolgirls. last week officials said 129 were abducted and now villagers are saying more than 200 were taken. last week the military said all but eight girls had been is recovered but then retracted that claim. six crew members and the captain are under arrest accused of violating maritime law. >> reporter: the man in the cross hairs of public anger like no one else.
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these images from 2010 show this man at the helm of another ferry on the same route. >> just as long as you follow the directions, i believe the ferry is safer than any other transportation. >> reporter: four years later that's exactly what hundreds of young passengers did, obeying instructions to stay put while the ferry sank. in seoul south korea's president spared nothing. >> translator: above all the conduct of the captain and crew members is wholly unfathomable. and it was like an acted of murder that cannot and should not be tolerated. >> reporter: she also demanded an investigation. here though, the focus remained for the emergency crews on speeding up the recovery effort.
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the first clear morning since the ferry went down and dive teams were hoping to make the most of the improved conditions. among them a special forces veteran, prepared, he says for the grim difficult task of pulls days old bodies from the sunken wreck. >> translator: they are wearing life jackets so it is very difficult to get them out. >> reporter: a somber and increasingly familiar process for the rescue crews and police at the dock side. each one brings with it a grief that is at once shared and deeply personal. harry fawcett, al jazeera, south korea. the united states looking into reports of a possible new chemical weapon's attack in syria. the white house is looking into whether a chemical most likely
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chlorine was used against rebels. the government has blamed an al-qaeda rebel group for those attacks. presidential elections will be held in syria on june 3rd. the white house says the vote will have no credibility within syria or beyond. ban ki-moon says it will also set back peace negotiations. >> reporter: this is what is like in areas of syria. in government-controlled neighborhoods, a campaign to reelect bashar al-assad is underway. he has said he will if the people want them. and that is what the people want at least. but there are people who don't want assad has their leader.
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in fact the war was a consequence of an uprising against his rule. >> translator: who should i vote for? the man who killed many people? >> reporter: even if some of the millions of syrians who have either left their country, or are displaced want to cast their ballot, they won't be able to. raising questions on the credibility of the whole process. the syrian government says this time the vote will be different. over the past four decades, syrians could only choose to support or oppose the nomination of assad. and before him his father. now laws have been passed to allow candidates to run for the post. but one of the reasons is they must have lived in syria for the past ten years. a means most of the opponents are excluded from the race. some of them have formed a
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government in exile and its members are not interested in competing with a man they want out of power. >> the mistake of the position was they had no executive body like government that is actually providing essential service for these people. in areas where we actually controls, there is some functioning, and -- and that has been also to his advantage. >> he may remain in power, but the opposition and its powers won't accept the election as legitimate or free and fair. whatever happens the poll won't united states this divided country or end the war. coming up next, a outbreak of gun violence in chicago. plus boston strong, a big win for an american at the boston marathon today. and a teen reportedly
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survives a five hour flight in a plane's wheel well.
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boston pride was on full display today. thousands of runners took to the streets many to honor those killed or injured. >> there is the line. he is across. >> reporter: an emotional marathon one year after the bombings, as an american wins the elite race. symbolism lost on no one. the first time an american man has won since 1983. >> and she's got it! >> reporter: in the women's elite, 33-year-old kenya, became the fastest woman ever to run the race. in blazing sunshine, the 118th boston marathon went off with major incident. among the fund runners many felt the crowd estimated to be a million strong. >> this one has meaning like
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obviously none other. it's just great to be here and be able to participate in this. >> it just meant so much to race for everybody who wasn't able to do it before, and for anyone that really experienced the tragedy. >> i just wanted to be here this year. it was all about running it for boston and the race. and as people said it brought the race back to the runners. >> reporter: and that was the feeling that radiated across the whole day. and here on boston common, more than 200 canvas panels of support for the city. america for boston prayer canvas is an idea that grew from a few friends in florida appalled at the loss of life and injuries they saw last year. >> we started with one canvas, and invited people to sign their name, paint a picture, and then
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america embraced it, and then the world embraced it. so now we have every state as well as 50 additional nations represented. >> reporter: so now the city ask move on with an american victory to help it on its way. john terrett, al jazeera, boston. federal prosecutors in chicago say a new violent crimes unit is being created to find those responsible for gang violence. it follows several extremely violent weekend of shootings. 8 people were killed 36 wounded including 5 children. >> reporter: mini johnson says anxiety dominates her life. last summer who of her teenage sons were injured weeks apart in shootings. >> reporter: and you are worried
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about your other kids? >> yes, i am. especially my daughter that walks to school every morning by herself. so i'm really worried for my daughter's safety too. >> reporter: the violent easter weekend has left people in chicago's crime-plagued neighborhoods on edge, and also on the mind of chicago's police superintendent during a graduation ceremony on monday for new recruits. >> we have had unfortunately, a bad week. it doesn't wipe out what has happened over the last two years, but it certainly is a wake-up call that we have a lot of work to do. >> reporter: violent crime is down this year compared to last year. while an unusually cold winter
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would be part of the reason, mccarthy zeros in on increased police presence. they say what they really need are opportunities and that means jobs. bob jackson heads the anti-crime group roseland ceasefire, he says well paying jobs could convince younger residents that gangs and guns aren't their only option. mini johnson says she wants to leave her neighborhood, but doubts she can go anywhere else that is safer. some federal prisoners serving some harsh sentences for drug offenses may soon get a break. eric holder says changes are coming in the way that the justice department evaluated
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clemency petitions. >> as a society we pay much too high a price whenever our system fails to deliver the outcomes necessary to deter and punish crime and keep us safe, and the chance to become productive citizens. our process will aid in this effort. >> holder says the justice department expects to receive thousands of new applications for clemency. dozens of additional lawyers be assigned to handle them. coming up next, emergency care coverage. many undocumented immigrants struggling to survive without healthcare even though it is there. plus sherpas threatening to strike. some of the guides are demanding more money after last week's killer avalanche. and massacre in south sudan.
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the news of the day plus so much more. answers to the questions no one else will ask. >> it seems like they can't agree to anything in washington no matter what.
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welcome back to al jazeera america. i'm john siegenthaler in new york. a lot more to cover this half hour. slaughtered in south sudan. the united nations says hundreds of civilians were killed based on their ethnicity. plus sherpas who guide hikers on mount everest have a list of demands. and high-altitude survival, how a teenage boy says he live through a five hour flight in the wheel well of an airplane. dozens of al-qaeda fighters have been killed in yemen. the strikes reportedly were backed up be u.s. drones. three al-qaeda leaders are said
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to be among the 55 people attacked on sunday. vice president joe biden is in ukraine tonight to discuss aid from the u.s. a new package will likely include technical and economic inhelp but not more money. south korea's president is condemning the crew of the ferry that sank last week, comparing their actions to murder. six crew members and the captain are now under arrest, accused of abandoning the passengers. 87 bodies have been recovered so far. many families remain at the search waiting news about their loved ones. and authorities are still trying to determine why the ferry sank. they are going to have to raise the ferry to really get to the bottom of what happened. >> richelle thank you.
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and the underwater search for flight 370 is back underway, but now a tropical cyclone is threatening to delay search efforts. the robotic submarine that is mapping the sea floor still hasening turned up anything. the jet liner disappeared 44 days ago. the guides who take climbers to the top of the world's highest mountain are threatening a boycott. that's after the deadliest avalanche to ever hitting mount everest. 13 of the guides died in that avalanche, and the serb. search for three missing men has been called off. now the guides say they want more support from the government. >> reporter: sherpas mourn the loss of their fellow guides.
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>> reporter: -- >> translator: it was unthinkable. >> reporter: more than 300 foreigners have permission to climb everest over the next couple of months. 12 are with a seattle based mown nearing company who lost five of its sherpas in the avalanche. they have paid $65,000 each and they are waiting to see if the path will be cleared and if other guides will step in. the sherpas, also haul gear and cook the food. >> it is not only the people who climb there, will are a lot of other -- like the lodges or a lot of business that flourish along the trail. >> reporter: a top guide can
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learn around $5,000 in three months that's nearly ten times the country's average annual salary. but it comes at a great risk. so the sherpas and their supporters want more compensation and double the insurance payout. >> before the sherpa or the other climbers who are going up the mountains and risking their lives and bringing so much glory to the count industry, and they are being treated that way is not fair. some reporters on the ground in ukraine and crimea say the crisis is effecting press freedom. three journalists were stopped by gunmen today while reporting from the city of slaviansk. and on monday a journalist was
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captured and paraded around by her captored. in egypt the imbri imbring -- imprisoned al jazeera reporters are still held without trial. two uven immigrants are reluctant to seek care until they are very ill. natasha ghoneim reports. >> reporter: in the 1 year 1 -- 14 years arrielle has picked produce he has worried about being deabort -- deported and now he is worried about dying. >> i'm scared because [ inaudible ] --
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>> reporter: he didn't know that even as an undocumented immigrant he was eligible for medicaid. when he was released from the hospital, the real battle to survive began. he needed dialysis three times a week, but since he had no insurance no outpatient clinic would treat him. he had to wait until he was sick enough and then ride a bicycle for treatment. at one point the hospital offered to fly him home to mexico to get medical care. he sobs at the prospect saying with the drug violence in his hometown it would surely be a death sentence. that's when a team of law students heard about the case and stepped in. the director of the clinic clue that this 2010 policy allows
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immigrants like gon gonal -- gonzales to get treatment for up to 12 month's time. it took almost three weeks of working around the clock to finally get gonzalez approved for dialysis. >> we think that people may be -- may be dying every day as a result of lack of understanding of availability of care. i have every reason to believe that there are probably many states where this is a very big problem. >> we asked a spokesperson about these concerns. she said . . .
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gonzalez calls the law students his guardian angels. the health rights clinic is now receiving calls from across florida asking for help with other patients. now he might indirectly end up being someone else's guardian angel. >> it was a month ago tomorrow that a landslide devastated washington state. on tuesday president obama will visit with victim's family and first responders. the slide tore through about three dozen homes an hour north of seattle. let's head to washington, d.c., joie chen standing by to tell us what is coming up at the top of the hour. >> tonight on our program, an in-depth look at a disturbing new pattern police shootings of
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the mentally ill. advocates blame poorly trained police officers for applying an excessive heavy hand to a very vulnerable population. half of the shooting deaths involve the mentally ill. ♪ >> they should have been trained to handle this, and what ended up happening is that my son ended up dead because this individual was not trained to handle a mentally ill person. >> "america tonight"'s christof putzel joins us with an in-depth look at the difficult relationship between law enforcement and the mentally ill. gam nling has been illegal in pakistan for more than 60 years, but that has not stopped
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a thriving back market industry. >> reporter: it's pakistan's favorite past time, and whenever there is a major cricket match, thousands take to the streets to watch on big screens or anywhere else they can. and although it's illegal, some people place bets in the hopes the national team will win. >> translator: it was really confident pakistan would do well, but it's not looking so good. >> reporter: there are runs of gambling shops and book makers across the area, and during big sporting events like this, they rake in millions of dollars in illicit proceeds. al jazeera was given rare access to these book makers. we have hidden their identities. once the match is over, they will pack up and leave, easily
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having made hundreds of thousands of dollars. gambling was out lawed in 1947. 30 years later the laws were revised. the penalties are a $10 fine and up to one year in prison. given the relatively lax punishments and poor enforcement, illegal betting thri thrives, so much so that the police have been involved in protecting the bookers. >> translator: the constables are poorly paid, and some make additional money like this. >> reporter: but clearly it's not enough to prevent illegal book makers like these from making big profits.
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coming up, a stow away survives, where a teen he travels inside of a plane and made it out alive after a five-hour fliekt.
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k >> storm systems rolling across texas and parts of okay obamacare have been bringing in scattered showers and thunderstorms. some have the potential to become severe. but we'll really see the potential increasing in the
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middle of the week. change is everything tomorrow, where seattle and portland you had a little bit of sunshine, now we'll see snow levels crashing down. cooler temperatures in the west and the midwest is going to get very windy, and temperatures are expected to sore. but first we do have a statement that has been issued due to show reaching past level or the oregon cascades tomorrow. otherwise cool in the 50s for the west, and billings hitting 76 degrees. it will feel pretty good for places in minnesota, and number and kansas as temperatures get quite warm.
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disturbing news of a massacre in south sudan. the un says it happened in a town that rebels recaptured last week. gunmen killed more than 200 people who had been in hiding. ana has the exclusive report. a warning some of the pictures are disturbing. >> reporter: the things that could be seen along the road were horrific. there were so many dead bodies that construction equipment was used to move them. outside of the gates of the mosque there was another pile of bodies. the stench of death was overwhelming, even for the rebel soldiers. the un says many more were butchered into this mosque. on the 16th of april, 120 people were killed in a massacre inside
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this mosque. shortly after filming these pictures were told the real number is actually over 200 out of 800 trying to hide there. this like other towns in south sudan has changed hands several times. here people from dafor are believed to have been targeted for a certain reason. what is going on here is disgraceful, what we have seen in these towns utterlier toable and beyond description, a lot of people left the town and headed to a un base. the conflict has forced a million people from their homes now, and most are dependent on food aide. next year south sudan will experience a wide-spread
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familiar -- famine. they are accused of killing people based on their ethnicity. fighting in south sudan is essentially between factions loyal to the president and those supporting the former vice president. the un confirms much of the violence is ethnically motivated. thousands have been killed and millions displaced with much of the country facing extreme hunger. about 70,000 people are being sheltered in un bases. joining us to talk about the ethnic violence is emmera woods from the institute of policy
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studies. welcome. >> thank you. good to be with you. >> it's good to be with you. those pictures are devastating. can you tell us exactly why this ethnic conflict exists? this >> i think to go to the length of ethnicity is oversimplifying. what is happening in south sudan is a struggle for political and economic power. let's remember that you had a -- a -- basically a war that has broken out, a ceasefire signed just a few months ago in january, but really continued fighting, because this -- which is really africa's newest country, you know, south sudan became independent in 2011, tla has been since then a real struggle for the future of the country for political and economic power. there have been attacked and
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counterattacks on both sides. the government as well as the rebel forces. the government understanding that he has -- feeling that it has unlimited power has also committed horrendous atrocities as have the rebel forces under the former vice president, who essentially was kicked out of power, because it was assumed he was launching a coup. so you have a quest for political and economic power -- >> let me stop you there, are you talking about the former vice president, he wants the political power, and the economic power, because he lost it? >> well, i think you have both the former vice president and his cohotters as well as the current, as well as the president and all of his supporters -- >> but he has got the political power, right? >> right. but i think there's a real
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questioning of the legitimacy of that political power, particularly when there are all of these allegations of corruption of mismanagement, and people have not had their basic right s met by a government that has fallen so far off of the mark -- >> who is responsible for that? >> i think it is that is small cohort that think they must rule above all else, whether it's the government for the rebel forces that are essentially ignoring the incredible indignity being taken out on the sent civilians of south sudan. they are vying for power and using their ethnicity to ensure their political base, and continuing the fight on both sides in spite of continuous
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calls for ceasefire. >> i want you to talk about the starvation. >> what we see is although this is an oil-producing state, and big oil companies are continuing to take oil out of the country, oil revenues have gone down a minimal 20%, in spite of the richness, the people are left with nothing. so there is an urgent cry from the un, from peace actors on the ground. you have faith-based leaders across the board that are calling for an end to this crisis, for a resolution of the political crisis, as well as for a resumption of the humanitarian needs. >> i want to have you back on the program to talk more about this, because this is a topic that we need more time to cover, and the pictures have been incredibly powerful, and your
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words as well. it's good to see you. thank you. >> thank you. a boy who flew from california to hawaii hidden in the wheel well of a plain is lucky to be alive. jacob ward explains how dangerous it was. >> reporter: stowing away in the wheel well of a jet almost always ends in death. there are two reasons. the first is lack of oxygen. above 10,000 feet the faa says any pilot left alone in the cockpit has to wear an air mask. above 18,000 feet, the lack of oxygen is extreme.
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and the second factor is cold. at 35,000 feet, you have an ambient outside temperature of 65 degrees fahrenheit. that will put you into hype therm ma very, very quickly. so how it is possible that this teenager could have survived? this >> well, he is not the first. have been instances that people have survived this experience. a study was done on the subject, and they surmised that am bee ant heat might come off of the wheels and that keeps you alive for a little while. plus once this runs out, you are already unconscious, because you are high enough up that you have been knocked out.
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you will be slowly brought into hyperthermia. medical science uses that to treat people with cardiac arrest and intentionally reduce your temperature down to 70 degrees to do trauma surgery. so it is possible to come back from those low temperatures. the central nervous system may be put into hibernation, and when they come back down, you may be brought back to consciousness. but even if you were to survive, a lot of the time, if you remain -- when -- when you get back down to a survivable temperature, and the wheel well opens up again, you are still
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unconscious, you rattle around loose, and you fall out of the plane, and that has happened many times. so this is a miracle that this kid could have been up in the wheel well, had all of these factors come together, and then recover well enough that he got out of the plane. >> now the california teen is not the only person to have survived the journey in the wheel well of a plane. there have been 105 known stow a ways since 1947 worldwide. 25 have survived including the california teen. the youngest to survive was nine. and the faa notes the number could be even higher because some could have fallen out of
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the wheel well without anyone knowing it. coming up we'll talk to a doctor about the physical and mental dangers. plus we're introduce you to a sherpa that describes life in a cold, treacherous, and isolated place of the world. here is the image that caught our eye today. this boy waiting through the water to try to salvage items from his home. fire destroyed the slum area north of the city of manila, nearly a thousand families were displaced. the headlines are coming up next. ♪ >> oh my!
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welcome to al jazeera america. i'm richelle carey. here are tonight's top stories. yemen says dozens of al-qaeda
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fighters have been killed. the attacks were part of a joint effort with the us. three al-qaeda leaders are said to be among the 55 killed. vice president joe biden is in kiev tonight. expected to announce an package to kiev. hundreds of people have been massacred in south sudan and they were targeted for their ethnicity. many were hiding in churches, mosques, and schools when they were killed. in south korea, the president is condemning the captain and crew of the ferry that sunk last week. in total six crew members and the captain have been arrested. investigators are still trying to determine what happened. divers have pulled up to 87 bodies so far. hundreds are still missing.
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and today thousands of runners took part in the boston marathon. the first since last year's fatal bombing. many honoring those kills and injured. and an this man was the first american to win the race in more than 40 years. "america tonight" is up next. and check out our website. >> on "america tonight." was it murder? amid the grief, new charges the captain wasn't just negligent. but murderous. in his decision to leave the children to their watery grave. also tonight: >> if i were to take you to talk to somebody -- >> a rational approach to the