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tv   Inside Story 2019 Ep 5  Al Jazeera  January 5, 2019 8:32pm-9:01pm +03

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even sort of stepping away from that and just general social media use i've definitely found that if i'm just going for facebook and you know everything is fine i'm staying in bed all swept up in the morning it's really easy i find it really easy to little are people doing and compare myself to them so i think our look at how well this person is doing in their life or look at all this core stuff they're getting up to and i'm doing i'm laying in bed and doing absolutely nothing of my life and i think it's really easy even if you sort of take the mental health specific stuff away i think it's still really easy just day today to get really sucked into social media that's not to say there's not really good is in social media it's not say that it can be really useful. to have any platforms that have been incredibly beneficial to me in my mental how generally far i do think that as i said penn's how you're using social media and sometimes it's really hard to see when you're in the midst of it how you're using social media and to see that actually it's negative i think that's something you can only really see when you
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take a step back and you sort of have a little think about it that makes sense yeah it does and that's an interesting point which i want to take back to amy and perhaps. i don't want to challenge your thinking there but you know when you said earlier about there may be other factors about you know how well a child may be eating or an adolescent eating or sleeping and so on is there a difference when we talk about social media because it does as stella pointed out seem like it sucks people in in a way that you know your regular food or other factors don't necessarily do this becomes your whole life you you you exist in a make believe world but you can't get out of mentally i think to really points. is this going. well so we talk about screen time is incredibly time. looking at food it's not unscramble nationally have. scrolling through your news
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the you know it's happened to. mean grandparents and so this is again make it really hard pressed to figure out what is actually happening because while one might be very beneficial another might be harmful i'm not going to go against that but i think what is really important press is to recognize diversity and that all of them were mumbling things together and were comparing apples to oranges and also was does recognize is that there are different ways in which this relationship between mental health and social media is can take place not a one time that you might experience in changes after using social media but imagine it also so uncertain feelings might drive you to use more social media as well so we could be looking at finals and remember the mathematical models that we use to. look at these relationships we can't tear apart and and dissociate these different maybe a feeling and more down leading to musician or musician least leading to feeling
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down and so we see this immense complexity which should make this really exciting to let in as well let me take that point back today with the idea that on some level that this kind of research can be masking a lot of factors and making us jump to a lot of assumptions that could be a bit destructive rather than helpful or do you think of a sudden they should not jump in the conclusions prematurely. i totally agree about the pressure as a multifactorial disorder and of course one should not assume that social media use is the only because or even a major cause of depression it's a much more complex disorder than that. now having said saddle this and having also recognized stella's points that social media use could be about
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beneficial and harmful for young people i have to say that. over time as b. have more and more evidence more and more studies of it are correlational they are not establishing causality but just the volume of these studies and also of the dose response relationships that they see and also these differences in boys and girls which are really quite interesting. and also another important point here is that earlier this year we had a very large survey of child mental health in the u.k. which. replicated the findings of about fifteen years ago and what it found was that the vast majority of disorders that young people have have not increased so things like autism eighty h.t. . o.c.d. and things of that nature really have not changed at all but what has increased
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very very substantially was emotional disorders like and desires and the passion in all the girls in all the teenage girls. and also self harm increased very substantially in all the girls too and that is not an artifact it's a real thing it's something that is it's something that actually rarely happens that you can actually see in doing do the way studies say ensure there is a pretty clear and they pin it to use of the internet or social media dennis no again it's a it's more an association of the senate so so the association is there but my point is that the prevalence the number of children with emotional disorders has increased in our population very substantially especially especially the older girls. and that's something that we have not seen before and of course one minds hypothesize in many different ways well why is that but one thing that occurred at
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the same time is of course the exponential increase in social media use and the internet use in general now i think everybody world will agree here that social media are actually addictive there is plenty of evidence to say that and they are designed to be addictive as well. oh not only of course the victor let me take that point back to stella do you agree with that do you feel as a young person stella the social media sometimes is designed to target young people in a very addictive manner yeah definitely if i think about my social media use now and if i was to think about. getting rid of all my social media i could probably do it but i probably wouldn't be happy doing it and i would probably struggle so yeah i say is that active to an extent. or what do you think should who
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do you think should perhaps monitor that or regulate that steno what would you be happy with the suggestions in this study from sample that say the industry should step in or should it be families or what how do you see how would you take to someone else telling you what you should do and be exposed to so i would be hesitant for that to happen i i i've had people talk to me about my social media you know in recent years but when i was younger say when i was my early teens in quite a while i find it really offensive i didn't really take on board to talk. and if anything it's sort of. brought me up for a way and i was like well i'm just not going to talk about my social media use then if it is going to tell me to stop so. i don't think it should be the role of industry or parents or anyone to read it not even to have any difficulty because i mean to an extent yes i think having the conversation is important so i definitely
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think that people should be having a conversation whether that is you know school staff parents mental health professionals who ever is if work is the conversation should be had so how we using our social media is it helping you you know. talking about the relationships that you're building people on social media i think that should definitely happen. whenever a lot someone should step in and try to take control of our i think that's a different question it's about supporting and empowering young people to. use it in ways that you know more constructive as opposed to just saying car is or you can use it like that just you know delete your instagram something that makes sense i think it's it has become labrat if as opposed to done to you or a let me take those sentiments to amy and say amy with your position being that perhaps where you know studies like this when we run the risk of maybe making too many premature conclusions do you feel that the conversation about whether
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there needs to be some regulation of analysts and exposure to social media is also very premature and the one regulation just like the one edition which is also now heavily debated in the research community you know there is another question i am is what you're saying. well i i just wanted to know that there is this ocean we get it has not yet been recognized as a formal addiction we often see it as something credit release and there are often times molecules that get into your bloodstream that was physical dependence and yes i do think that we don't yet have that level of evidence that three years do you know are physically a factor a person and this is an. a i think it takes a whole nother program but it is probably we need to be. probably
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right but let's take a stab at it anyway shall we. yeah well i want to talk a bit about regulation because regulation naturally has been that all different levels i think it is premature it's now i think about regulation at a very high level of quality yet spend any amount of money into campaigns and interventions because we've seen in other countries that is can be very and that is because if you met adolescence or children as you say something they cannot and find ways around and it often goes over the top of what they actually want from their lives and that creates a world is constantly changing but i do see that today a report came out on a society of pediatrics and they really emphasize this need to really talk and have conversations in families about technology use and start that conversation very early setting some boundaries and peeping to those barriers and making those
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barriers dependent on that child their use and contacts and that sort of small scale regulation i think can be the way forward because it allows us to be flexible we were talking about this diversity of social media we happen to get the diversity of children and their situation and so taking it to the level of a family might be the best way forward in the current situation or a dennis you got us thinking about interventions in the beginning of the show let me come back to you for your thoughts given what amy said rather more cautious though from amy in the thinking about regulation what sort of intervention do you think are appropriate then look i just want to talk to to to respond to any and of course when i gree with her in the sense that to be doing is a lot more research there is no doubt about this but there are a few important things within this study and other studies of that's current that really need to be highlighted. one of them is of course their socio asian which we
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have been talking about the other important part of this study was that the researchers looked at the mechanisms so how is this association between heavy social media use and depressive symptoms how could it be explained what is the mechanism it's called the mediator in science and what they have found that one of the strongest mechanisms of mediators of this for the nation ship was the lack of sleep. and i really want to emphasize this because this is not the first study that have found that the that what explains the link between have a social media and. and poor mental house as is the impact of social media on sleep i think i mean will not dispute that sleep is important in our mental health and in particular in emotional wellbeing i don't think she does are you smiling zealot going to sign i think she agrees with that yeah i can see her and i'm sure she is smiling. because you know that that has been that has been conclusively proven and
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so and of course the other important part another important mechanism that has been shown by this study and similar studies is that online harassment is could be another mechanism that explains. this link and so we do need more as such but we also need to acknowledge that we have enough research to say that social media needs to be taken very carefully and thought through very carefully in terms of what it is that's being. allow our children who sometimes could be very young you know when they start using social media to do and the second thing to say is that social media is not the only addictive thing on the internet now i'm i'm a clinician i see patients a lot and yesterday i saw a patient and and you know that patient is is very similar to
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a great number of patients that we see. who really spend many many hours on the computer and really does not leave home at all and does not. to do anything else and it's something that. is a relatively recent phenomenon i don't remember i could understand that i've done a bit of that would be worrying right on earth are young people you know in the past rows or i want free will have to leave it there it's been a really fascinating discussion though and i thank all of our guests denis who grinned amy orban and stella brown from foster thank you all thank you too for what you can see the show again any time you want by visiting our website that's al-jazeera dot com and for further discussion just head over to our facebook page that's facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story and also join the conversation on twitter i handle there is at a.j. inside story from a sam is a band and the whole theme here is goodbye for now. i
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a year the president salva threatening to use emergency powers to get billed negotiators are working through the weekend to try and break the deadlock particle . the latest from washington. the two sides emerged from both sides of the white house with very different impressions of how their meeting went and they had a very very productive meeting a lengthy and sometimes contentious conversation with the president. with democrats now in charge of one chamber of congress they came to the white house to try and find a compromise to reopen the government the president says he won't sign a bill that doesn't spend five billion dollars on a wall the democrats say they simply will not spend a penny to build it they only seem to agree on one thing in fact he said he'd keep the government closed for a very long period of time months or even years absolutely i said that i don't think it will but i am prepared and i think i can speak for republicans in the house and republicans in the senate they feel very strongly about having
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a safe country but that is the key question can he keep senate republicans on his side if enough vote to fund the government it could override any potential veto reopening the government without a wall without that it could go on it for much longer both sides refusing to budge the president threaten to declare a national emergency to build his wall on his own but it seems unlikely he actually has the power to do that under the constitution political scientist eric campbell doesn't think the new house speaker nancy pelosi will cave i think the question becomes next week when they're when their government employees who are not getting paychecks i think that's when we really get a sense of how dug in and people are on both sides of an open question about who will win the political fight on hundreds of thousands of government workers and contractors are not being paid and for many not paying their bills for them it is a question of how much more they'll have to lose before this political fight is
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over particle hane al-jazeera washington. members of a minority years eve the community are pleading with the u.s. not to withdraw troops from northern syria a report by the free u.c.d. foundation's warning that if washington leaves syria before i see his defeated the armed group will make a comeback the u.s. says it doesn't believe saudi arabia's version of the murder of the journalist. and will continue to push for. a state department official says the kingdom is investigation of the humming of the killing lacks credibility and accountability the u.s. secretary of state. will continue to pressure the saudis for answers when he visits riyadh next week is a trip to the middle east will include the united arab emirates egypt and qatar thailand's first tropical storm in thirty years has left one person dead and another missing as rain wind surging seawater batter the country's southern coast it's now weakened to
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a tropical depression florence where we have been following developments from the island of coastal. we're seeing a loss of lives at a minimum and really it appears to be the worst of the storm has passed in the time that department that this storm has moved. it has already been downgraded to a tropical depression still bringing rain and winds but nowhere near as strong as when it first made landfall on friday afternoon and here on. this is. and sun has just come out it was raining this morning but it really appears that this storm has the worst of the storm is over. there's been a huge police presence on the streets of melbourne in australia as officers move to break up competing rallies far right nationalists who are protesting against the city's youth crime problem which they blame on people of african descent and ukraine's new orthodox church has been granted independence by the global orthodox church leaders based in turkey ukrainian president petro poroshenko attended
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a ceremony marking the occasion in istanbul for centuries ukrainian churches have been under the authority of the russian orthodox church the move has angered moscow . well those are the headlines the news continues here on al-jazeera after iraq a deadly deception stage and us watching buckle up.
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september eleventh. in the ruins of new york america votes to defeat terrorism but this promise is quickly betrayed george bush changes enemies asama bin laden is replaced by saddam hussein. see it as this sudden turn to love is the result of an extraordinary deception with devastating consequences for the world. everything begins less than six hours after the attack at the pentagon which was also strong secretary of defense donald rumsfeld scans the rubble and he issues his instructions stephen campbell and one of his advisors takes notes rumsfeld's intentions are unequivocal.
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the evening of that tragedy president bush addresses america and the world. today our fellow citizens our way of life are very freedom came under attack. we will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them. we will make no distinction this essential detail was inspired by a key figure in the pentagon richard powell. on the afternoon of nine eleven places a call to the president's speech writer. i was on the telephone with david frum and i said to david. on the afternoon of nine eleven whatever else the president says he should say that we will hold responsible the states
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that support terrorists safeguarding it is a strategic break from the more modest policies of bush is pretty decisive and. i believe it represented a recognition that we would never succeed against the terrorists if we went after them one at a time and as long as governments were facilitating the organization training equipping and financing of terrorist organizations we were never going to get it under control. and ambitious program for all out war a goal in line with neoconservative policy and thinking an approach supported by richard powell. dick cheney donald rumsfeld condoleezza rice paul wolfowitz douglas feith these are the advisors who have bush's ear. joe wilson a career diplomat witnessed the rice. they came into office with the republican
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party and particular with the staffing done by the vice president and his office and the secretary of defense in his office. referred to his neo conservatives they have ties to the world of oil to the defense industry they are strong proponents of american global domination. saddam hussein softened by years of sanctions is an easy target. on the evening of nine eleven the president saying well maybe you know we will be going after iraq now and somebody said well. that would be a guess since international law. the president responded i don't care it was going to kick a few days after the world trade center. and the pentagon were attacked the president was at camp david with his senior officials and mr wolfowitz was telling the president. the rock and saddam hussein is the real problem.
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new goals were defined change the regime in baghdad and subjugate iraq a simpler objective than that of destroying the elusive terrorist. nine hundred those in support of eliminating saddam hussein meet at the ministry of defense the pentagon. they all began asking questions about how long can we continue this policy aimed at keeping saddam under control and the conclusion they came to was not much longer the day after the meeting at the pentagon president bush addresses congress. it is a historic moment the nation is united bush names the culprits osama bin laden
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al qaida the taliban regime in afghanistan our enemies are radical network of terrorists and every government that supports them and. no mention about iraq but he warns our war on terror. begins with al qaeda. but it does not in there. tony blair the british prime minister and guest of honor applause it's symbolic of the unwavering alliance between washington and london. the taliban are quickly driven out of kabul and al qaeda is dispersed. some of bin laden disappears. in washington bush abuse eager to move on to another war i stand by those words
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afghanistan is still just a beginning if anybody harbors terrorists or terrorist if they find a terrorist or terrorist if they have terrorist or terrorist i mean i can't make it any more clearly to other nations around the world if they develop weapons of mass destruction that will be used to terrorize nations they will be held accountable. after this speech secretary of defense rumsfeld meets with general tommy franks at central command in tampa florida. franks controls a massive area from africa to asia and leads the war in afghanistan but rumsfeld has something else in mind iraq. he orders general franks to prepare a plan of attack. since its invasion of kuwait in the gulf war and nine hundred ninety one large.

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