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she travels the world with the result of a grieving mother who lost a son but adopted a generation plenty for a witness documentary on al-jazeera. president trumps impeachment trial is underway in the u.s. senate to the republican majority blocked efforts to release white house and state department documents. that i'm glad this is al jazeera live from doha also coming up. this is not a process for a fair trial this is the process for redress democrats accuse republicans of covering up evidence of the president abused his power. in other news after months of uncertainty lebanon finally has
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a new government with the unrest on the streets is far from over. the united states announces its 1st case of a new virus is claimed 6 lives in china several countries are ramping up measures to block it spread. all right you're watching our desires extended coverage of president all trumps impeachment all in the u.s. senate today is the 1st day of a trial and politicians have been debating the rules that will govern the remaining days and weeks of the impeachment proceedings well democrats have been proposing a series of amendments to the rules laid out by the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and so far the republican controlled senate has rejected 3 amendments by the democrats including a bid to force the white house and state department to provide more evidence when the senate is returning from a dinner break any moment now we're expecting them to debate and vote on.
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democratic efforts to subpoena a number of witnesses well democrats are continuing to push for change calling card rules a cover up i send an amendment to the desk to subpoena certain documents and records from the white house the house managers strongly support senator schumer's amendment which would ensure a fair legitimate trial based on a full evidentiary record the senate can remedy president trump's unprecedented cover up by taking a straightforward step it can ask for the key evidence that the president has improperly blocked senator schumer's amendment that's just that the republicans for their part of kept a united front against all of the democrats' amendments and they say any request to add new evidence is proof that the impeachment case is flawed the 1st thing that the house managers have done upon arriving finally in this chamber after waiting for 33 days is to say well actually we need more evidence we're not ready to
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present our case we need to have subpoenas and we need to do more discovery because we don't have the evidence we need to support our case this is stunning it's a stunning admission of the inadequate and broken process that the house democrats ran in this impeachment inquiry that failed to compile a record to support their charges it's stunning that they don't have the evidence they need to present their case and they don't really have a case. great to see every time she is live for us on capitol hill and she had the impeachment has been going for a good few hours now where we are. i think we can expect a few more hours actually members of congress are now members of the senate are slowly making their way back from a dinner break but there are now reports that there is a certain amount of restlessness on the senate floor as amendment after amendment is introduced by the democrats in their in their bid to try and get more documents
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and witnesses introduced to the senate trial on what we've heard so far that is in the last few hours anyway chuck schumer introducing various amendments to mitch mcconnell's rules and he's going through them one by one with these amendments and i think we don't have a better understanding of why they're doing it in this way under the mitch mcconnell rules which are very likely to be passed without any amendments there will be a vote on bringing in more documents and witnesses but only after opening arguments cross-examination on cross-examination that there will be a discussion as to whether more documents and witnesses are needed but as far as we can tell and the democrats have made this assumption that vote will just be a blanket vote should we introduce more documents and witnesses nothing specified which documents which witnesses so the democrats seem to think well look this is the only chance they may get to actually say these are the documents we want these are the witnesses we want to speak to and obviously they are trying to get this message across to the american people as well these are the people we need to hear
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from in order to have a proper fair trial in the senate and as we heard there the republican the republican view is look we're going to have a anyway on this later on and by the way what's new impeachment didn't already vote to impeach and all trumped up you have a case already that you can present to us that we can decide upon why do we need more witnesses so we've already had $33.00 amendments voted on and fail and fail for the democrats that is to get documents from the white house the state department and the office of management and budget that's the department that actually administer. does the military aid that is that is appropriated by congress in this case to ukraine for military military aid for military aid now chuck schumer just before the dinner break proposed that they would give the senate subpoena. the acting white house chief of staff so they'll vote on that or the debate and vote on that shortly that'll take an hour or so perhaps and then presumably then we can expect them to introduce at least 3 or 4 more for more amendments because we know that the democrats also want to speak to john bolton the
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former national security advisor as well as 2 other white house officials one an aide to mick mulvaney the what the acting white house chief of staff figure from the office of management and budget and so this is going to go on for some time i have a feeling the problem is as far as we can tell anecdotally and we're not allowed in there really to film and allege is actually that the shots of the senate are very restricted don't really see what the audience is doing because it's a very restrictive rules that mitch mcconnell has put in place we're getting a sense there that sound is beginning to get a bit restless are she had thanks very much for the time being but we a bit later what has his trial begins in washington the u.s. president is half world away at the world economic forum in davos diplomats going to james bays has this report from. on the day of the start of his trial for the beach but this was the daven diversion president trump on the world stage in
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a place surrounded by business leaders where his advisors knew he would look presidential it's clear from his recent comments and his posts on twitter that the u.s. leader is obsessed with impeachment but this was a speech over huff an hour long in which the i word was mentioned once that i am proud to wear that the united states is in the midst of an economic boom the likes of which the world has never seen before. we've regained our stride. rediscovered our spirit in reawakened the powerful machinery of american enterprise america is thriving america is flourishing and yes america is winning again like never before. many of the world leaders who were in the room know how much now depends on the u.s. electorate this could be troublesome last starforce but they're preparing to for the possibility of a 2nd term this is
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a global forum dealing with global issues and so we have more and more conflicts breaking out across the world that need everybody around the table to solve them and we need the united states as part of that conversation and the united states needs an effective state department needs an effective diplomatic corps and soft diplomacy as well in order to be a true partner and i think people are genuinely worried that this is a place where donald trump feels comfortable he was never invited to speak a divorce as the head of the trump organization now he feels part of this elite club as the u.s. president his advisors cleverly using this as a backdrop for a speech to a domestic audience james bowie's out 0 divorce. all right let's take a look at the numbers now in a 2 thirds majority of 67 votes in the senate would be required to convict donald trump and remove him from office and here's why that's very unlikely in all there are 100 senators 2 from each of the 50 states and the republicans full majority
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they hold 53 seats while the democratic party they have 45 the other 2 seats they help by independent senators that's bernie sanders and his king both of whom caucus with the democrats 20 republicans would need to turn against donald trump and so far none has said that they would so it is extremely like unlikely proposition let's speak to michael isikoff chief investigative correspondent for yahoo news joins us from washington d.c. michael welcome back to the program. still a long way to go on with day one of the impeachment proceedings what's your take on where we're at pretty much as expected. well certainly the votes the voting is been pretty much as well has been exactly as expected mitch mcconnell had the votes and he's prevailed on all these amendments but i got to say i think today was also a good day for the house democrats i thought adam schiff did a pretty bang up job just laying out the house case in
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a very effective way and emphasizing the stonewalling as it were that the white house has been engaged in for refusing to turn over documents and allow witnesses to testify the question there are 2 audiences there the there's the senate audience and we just don't know how whether he's getting any traction with senate republicans to get those votes he needs those 4 votes that he needs if i thought it was noteworthy that susan collins did put out a statement after schiff's opening presentation saying she was likely to vote for witnesses that i think although she used the word likely pretty much locks are in so that's one solid vote there are for opening this up to witnesses they need 3
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more lisa murkowski and romney are assumed to be in that camp as well so it's like one more will they get but i was saying shifted to audiences the broader audience was the american public and you know. compared to how the white house lawyers did i thought shift one the day and those who are watching are likely to be more impressed with his arguments then the white house arguments but we've got a long way to go right at it what about the fall outs in an election the 10 months on from now will anybody remember this a given how fast things move in the in the trump universe and we're always playing catch up with will this actually matter in 10 months time when the elections held. well you know a lot is going to depend on just how long this goes on and i think if mcconnell has his way and 'd and the democrats don't get those 4 republican votes and trump
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is acquitted within a couple of weeks then it's probably not going to be remembered all that much. but if they do get the 4 votes and there are witnesses and the white house tries to block the testimony from those witnesses like john bolton or mick mulvaney invoking claims of executive privilege that gets tied up in the courts and this goes on for months which it could well do then i think it has a much bigger impact than just the optics of a prolonged fight in which the white house is trying to shut down testimony and the democrats are trying to open up testimony i think that cuts in the democrats favor whether it's enough to. affect the president's chances of re-election we don't know but it's certainly more of
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a chance that this is going to have an impact then if the trial gets shut down after a couple weeks we just saw in pitches there of donald trump in switzerland causing this kind of presidential. deflecting away from from the pitchman as far as his international audience is concerned. the thing is as far as witnesses are concerned how concerned would he be about somebody like john bolton giving evidence we don't know what he'd say. we don't know what he said but presumably he the president has an idea of what he said to bolton and what bolton could then testify to if he's subpoenaed and testifies so the fact that the white house is fighting as hard as it is to shut down any testimony from bolton to me is a sign they are nervous that having him testify will not be
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helpful to their case but we don't know if bolton is also a loyal conservative republican he's got a super pac that is a door seeing trump allies who are running for reelection this year he's been a good republican foot soldier for many many years so is he going to be in want to be the guy who brings down but tension in the president the republican president of the united states i think a lot of democrats are skeptical that he will do that so his testimony may be of mixed bag can i say one make one point there isn't one sort of substantive point that the white house lawyers have made and i think they've scored a few points on asat is the decision by shift to withdraw that subpoena for the testimony of bolton's deputy charles copperman that was 'd a critical moment where if they had pursued that they'd
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be in a much stronger position right now to argue on these witnesses but they withdrew the subpoena i think in part because they were worried that the federal judge who was assigned the case richard leone a republican appointee he might rule against them and if he did if he ruled in favor of the white house on that it would have totally undercut that 2nd article of obstruction of congress because the. only judicial ruling would have been against the democrats and for the republicans so schiff made a tactical retreat when he withdrew that subpoena but i think he's having a little bit of a hard time or he will have an even bigger hard time arguing. his case for witnesses given that tactical retreat he made a few months ago well michael they've had since they're back on the senate floor so it's going to depend have a listen to that michael thanks very much indeed for the time being jefferies is
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one of the democratic pietschmann team is on the floor let's have a listen and region regardless of sexual orientation regardless of gender is that we believe in the rule of law and the importance of a fair trial the house managers strongly support this amendment to subpoena witness testimony including with respect to mick mulvaney who has ever heard of a trial with no witnesses but that is exactly what some are contemplating here today this amendment would address that fundamental flaw it would ensure that the trial includes testimony from a key witness the president's acting chief of staff and head of the office of management and budget moving and it wouldn't show that the senate can consider his
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testimony immediately let's discuss why the need to hear from mick mulvaney is so critical firstly to mcconnell's resolution undercuts more than 200 years of senate impeachment trial practice it departs from every impeachment trial conducted to date and goes against the senate's own longstanding impeachment rules which contemplates the possibility of new witness testimony. and fact it departs from any criminal or civil trial procedure in america why should this president be helped to a different standard 2nd the proposed amendment for witness testimony is necessary in light of the president's determined effort to bury the evidence and cover up his corrupt abuse of power the house tried to get miss the mobo in his
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testimony we subpoenaed him mr mo veiny together with other key witnesses national security adviser john bolton senior white house aide robert blair office of management and budget official michael duffy and national security council lawyer john eisenberg were called to testify before the house as part of this impeachment inquiry but president trump was determined to hide from the american people what they had to say the president directed the entire executive branch and all of his top aides and advisers to defy all requests for their testimony that cannot be allowed to stand 3rd with them of any is a highly relevant witness to the events at issue in this trial let them of any was
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at the center of every stage of the president's substantial pressure campaign against ukraine based on the extensive evidence the house did obtain it is clear that most veiny was crucial in planning the scheme executing its implementation and carrying out the coverup. so you're watching out to remind of our top stories this hour the u.s. senate is voting on rules that will govern the impeachment trial of president donald trump democrats have put forward several amendments 3 of them including a bid to subpoena white house and state department documents have already been voted down by senate republicans the debate has just begun on whether to subpoena the acting white house chief of staff that's mick mulvaney majority leader mitch mcconnell says if democrats request to add new evidence as proof that the
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impeachment case is. all right let's turn to some the day's other news and lebanon has a new government after hezbollah and its allies reached a deal ending 3 months of political deadlock the president michel aoun signed off on 20 new cabinet ministers after meeting with the prime minister has and the announcement has angered protesters there's been a hold of reports now from beirut. lebanon's new prime minister has sunday has finalized his cabinet lineup it took weeks of political horse trading even though those who are fighting over seats are allies and part of the ruling alliance jobs critics call him a pawn of the political elite but addressing the nation he tried to defend his cabinet at a time of mass protests over lebanon's worst economic crisis in decades was a family party to him we will endeavor to answer that demands to ensure that we have an independent judiciary to bring back stolen money to fight corruption to
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protect the poor of social classes from high taxation to tackle an employment and to put in place a new electoral law that brings everyone together under one national identity that the street has asked for oh use of the government announcement brought protesters who have been demanding a new leadership back onto the streets they gathered in central beirut the epicenter of a 3 month old movement to topple the political class they accuse of mismanagement and corruption protestors disputed insistence that the 20 ministers who are specialists with no political loyalties i'm here because i don't trust this new government that's going to be formed because it came from the people who have been in charge for the past 30 years and in bad doesn't bring good and bad only brings bad. the. government is also being criticized for being controlled by the iranian backed hezbollah and for being one sided political opponents of the ruling alliance
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including outgoing prime minister saddle heidi refused to join the government. they're just playing the same move that the plagued $100.00 days ago so as a foot of the just stopping us in the face are laughing at us still like who are those people and what are they doing on the streets the government faces many challenges in the midst of an unprecedented nationwide multi-sector. uprising deb's government is expected to receive a vote of confidence in parliament but it is the support of international investors and donors that lebanon needs to get out of the economic and financial crisis the last time the u.n. created international support group for lebanon met in december it made no financial pledges and instead called for a credible government that the since the public opinion expressed in the ongoing popular uprising. for
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weeks many lebanese have been struggling to make their voices heard yes seen told the security forces protecting parliament building that the steel and concrete barriers won't be able to protect those in power was i'm here to demonstrate against the corrupt regime that has been. raping this country for 30 years or more they were the only words that the killed each other and the sex groups to kill each other. there is determination to continue their struggle or what people here call the revolution but the government announcement on tuesday sent a clear message that the established parties are still in power lebanon's crisis is not over center for their beirut. there are growing fears over a deadly new virus it appears to be spreading to a number of countries disease ridden ated in china and the case has been confirmed
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in the united states while others have been reported in thailand and south korea doctors in china say the strain has killed 6 people and has infected more than 300 of us adrian brown has more from hong kong. china's tightly controlled state media says the mysterious virus has now spread to some of the country's major cities. in addition to more deaths new infections including hospital workers. and for the 1st time confirmation that this respiratory virus can be passed from person to person noted by them that you saw some cases happened in 2 places one in guangdong the other 111 where human to human transmission has been confirmed that the disease was 1st identified in wu hand late last year the majority of the confirmed cases of the virus in china are here but a handful have also been identified in other parts of asia where authorities are
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ramping up their defenses with a mandatory screening of air passengers from who had this week china becomes a nation in motion as people travel home to mark the new lunar new year but many are also traveling overseas and from will hand it's now possible to fly to 40 international destinations which is why i say some experts this outbreak is going to be more than just china's problem china has been here before 17 years ago another virus called sars severe acute respiratory syndrome claimed the lives of around 800 people almost 300 of them in neighboring hong kong at 1st china's leaders asserted there had been only a handful of cases but later admitted providing false information about the epidemic a city mayor and health minister revenge sacked professor ollie open of hong kong university was one of the 1st scientists to decode the sars virus he says the city
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has improved its disease control work but he and other scientists were racing to understand this new virus is it very efficient or not. right now we only know that there's a limited human to human transmission but what does that mean we need data to actually come up before more our career estimation so it's a race against time to i agree if you need more information pharmacies are stocking up on face masks the growing health emergency across the border now replacing media coverage of the young growing protests demanding political reform and while there is no panic there is deepening concern adrian brown al-jazeera hong kong opposition politicians in venezuela have called off an attempt to enter the national assembly saying they're trying to avoid violence they ended up holding a makeshift session in a public square away from congress security forces and civilians have been blocking
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the entrance to the opposition controlled congress for several weeks venezuela has been facing an ongoing political crisis after one quite who declared himself interim president and labeled the reelection of nicolas maduro as illegitimate prosecutors in brazil have charged 16 people with murder over a mining dam disaster that killed more than $250.00 people last year the collapse in the southeast and state of minas get us was brazil's worst industrial accident unleashing a torrent of toxic waste its owner the mining giant valley has also been charged with environmental crimes along with the german firm that certified construction and safe $100000.00 people in the philippines remain in shelters as the threat level from the tal volcano remains high and erupted last week crushing homes and damaging crops now as humanitarian reports those who are displaced are facing new threats. liz it is desperate she had to flee
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her home with her 5 children went but i'll volcano 1st erupted more than a week ago now they are staying in this community school in a town hosting thousands of evacuees across the town this province by the way i'm getting we are afraid of the continuous earthquakes but also whether we still have a home we can return to. her story is repeated many times over here more than 100000 people are now displaced and staying in temporary shelters like this one. though is on the alert level for which means that they has or does eruption is imminent within days or even hours the evacuation has put a strain on several towns but official see they're doing the best they can the food supplies we have enough for the next couple weeks. willing and more than willing to accept and take charge of this evacuees even if from their from
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different towns but there are growing concerns about illicit that may develop due to difficult conditions in temporary shelters this field hospital was set up just days after the initial volcanic eruption there are birthing surgical and observation areas this can handle as many as 100 patients a day from different evacuation centers and it operates for 24 hours mostly they are respiratory coming back from the us came this is cardiovascular diseases hybrid battlefront and those kind of people. back at the evacuation center louis said the ground the weeks for a life that has never been more uncertain her husband is sick and your home has been destroyed like many others here lou we so grew up around will cain know they
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loved and did mired now they wonder how something so beautiful can be so terrifying. al-jazeera. al-jazeera dot com that's our dress for websites and plenty of comment and analysis right there of course as well as all the stories that we're covering. so this is our deserve these are the top stories and the u.s. senate is voting on rules that will govern the impeachment trial of president donald trump democrats have put forward several amendments 3 of them including a bid to subpoena white house and state department documents have already been voted down by senate republicans the debate has just begun on whether to subpoena the acting white house chief of staff that's mick mulvaney majority leader mitch mcconnell says the democrats request to add new evidence as proof that the
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impeachment case is floor. protesters in lebanon have returned to the streets after it was announced a new government had been formed a water cannon that people who had been gathering outside the parliament and throwing stones at demonstrators have been demanding a government of independent experts have early in the. earlier president michel aoun signed off on 20 new cabinet ministers after hezbollah and its allies reached a deal the agreement ends 3 months of political deadlock a government of prime minister. is facing lebanon's worst economic crisis decades family. we will endeavor to answer their demands to ensure that we have an independent judiciary to bring back stolen money to fight corruption to protect the poor social classes from high taxation to tackle and employment and to put in place a new electoral law that brings everyone together and one national identity that
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the street has asked for. the 1st case of a corona virus that originated in china has been confirmed in the u.s. it's added to fears the risk will continue to spread across borders in china 6 people have died from the virus about 300 have been infected at least 36 people have been killed after an attack by armed groups of bikini faster it happened near the bus a logo in the north of the country on monday the government has announced 2 days of mourning prosecutors in brazil have charged 16 people with murder over and mining dam disaster that killed more than $250.00 people last year the collapse in the southeastern state of me just get us was brazil's the worst industrial accident its owner mining giant valley has also been charged with vironment cry. there's the headlines inside story is coming right up from mean a clock it's goodbye for now. the
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great and the good of global business and politics arrive in davos for their annual get together it comes off to millions of people in almost every corner of the world protesting against economic inequality so will the elites in switzerland do anything to close what many say is a widening gap between rich and poor this is inside story. hello and welcome to the program on martin denis our economic system is broken the rich are getting richer and the poor poor a vats the message from oxfam in a report released as business and political leaders gather in switzerland for the 50th world economic forum the charity found the number of billionaires has doubled
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over the past decade to more than 2000 they control more money than the floor and a half 1000000000 or so poorest people on earth and here's another way of looking at it if the 2 richest men sat on their fortunes piled up a $100.00 bills they would be in outer space while most people but to kill only women would be sitting on the floor that oxfam says the gap is widening because governments are failing to ensure wealthy people and corporations pay enough tax well inequality was at the heart of many of the protests around the world last year plans to raise public transport fares in chile for instance triggered large demonstrations against the government's economic policies which many people said nearly favor the rich. and rising fuel and living costs sparked the yellow vests movement in france. there were violent protests in iran when the government raised
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petrol prices by up to 3 times overnight rights groups estimate at least $300.00 people died and when sudan's government cut feel and bread subsidies protests led to revolution and president omar al bashir was swept away after 30 years in office . all right let's introduce our panel now in london we have darren mack door he's the head of europe and principal russia analyst at the global risk consultancy various maple craft in nairobi kenya manslaughter and head of policy on inequality at oxfam international also in london we have matthew lesh head of research at the adam smith institute now welcome to you all i'd like to start off though with a quote that comes from that oxfam report and it says this governments around the world can and must build
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a human economy that is feminist and benefits the 99 percent not only the one percent so let's go to max now in nairobi of course you're the author of this report and what do you mean by a human economy and what you mean by a feminist economy. i think at the moment we have a broken economy we haven't called i mean it's clearly working for a very small group of people these billionaires right at the top and the majority of them are men and then at the bottom you've got hundreds of millions of people living on less than $5.00 a day working for very little money again the majority of them women so it's a sexist economy it's an unequal economy so a more human economy a more feminist economy if you like would seek to close that gap between rich and poor and would seek to spread out the wealth more evenly more fairly and we think that would be much better for humanity and much better for the economy turn and max surely we could have at this conversation
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a year ago tell me what's changed between january 2019 in the run up to davos on the 49th year and this year sadly very little has changed at the top we're still seeing a huge increase in the wealth of billionaires you see in the number of billionaires double we're living through a billionaire boom but what has changed in the last year is the level of protest the level of anger the numbers of people on the street people are absolutely fed up with an economy that clearly only delivers for those at the very top and he's failing to deliver even basic foodstuffs to ordinary people so i think that's a big change we're seeing anger across the world and elites cannot ignore this forever right coming to matthew now matthew you have written that the report the oxfam report authored by max is complete hogwash. it look quite frankly it is and i think it's quite shameful that oxfam is releasing this same disingenuous report
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year after year after year what oxfam has done by focusing on what it calls net wealth it actually means that the bottom decile has over $1.00 trillion dollars in negative wealth that includes recent oxford graduates or harvard graduates who have a large amount of debt actually tells us very little about how the worse off in society are going what we know is that over the last 10 years the amount of people in extreme poverty has actually harvard's means 158000 people a day have been lifted out of poverty meanwhile global income inequality is actually declining and it's declining but as i said because we have rising living standards in china in india and even right particularly in recent years across africa all right so even if you look at other measures of inequality like height or health care things are actually getting much better not worse let's go back to matt said max it seems very much if you listen to matthew that you're actually measuring the wrong thing. yes and he's completely wrong and he's said it many years before
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if you don't want to listen you can listen to the world bank to the international monetary fund to r e c d all of them are pointing to growing inequality in many countries is a serious serious problem and the rate of poverty reduction which he highlighted as we saw in a report this year has hollow of and in fact extreme poverty in africa is going back up and institutions like the world bank have said very clearly that one of the biggest problems one of the biggest issues that means that we cannot reduce poverty further is this huge gap between rich and poor we do need to tackle inequality if we want to world free of poverty and we certainly can't ignore the world's billionaires and the booming billionaire world which is really hard to ignore right and daraa 2019 has been called by many people the year of protest it was remarkable wasn't it because of the spread of protests we had it in latin america we had it in africa we had it in europe as well. absolutely we
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observe last year 47 countries that's almost a quarter of the world where there was a significant up rise in political unrest civil unrest and protest activity and digging into this the main drivers of this activity what we've seen is rising inflation the withdrawal of public subsidies for a few fuel and food or increases in the cost of those basic staples and the lack of mechanisms for channeling political discontent within a within a larger political system i.e. authoritarianism or simply imperfect democracies so what we are seeing is across the globe from places like france where a relatively small uptick in fuel duty prompted the protest same in chile where a seemingly small increase i believe in public transportation costs are causing large scale protests and this is happening in russia with the pension protests and
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across africa as well in places like zimbabwe south africa and it is driven by a sense of economic and political inequality essentially you're seeing growing groups of citizens who don't feel that they're stakeholders in their own society because of these things life is getting harder and they they don't feel that they they have channels to make their grievances heard so they're going out into the streets and this is a trend that we forecast is going to accelerate in 2020 all right let's talk about 2020 in a little while let's go back to you matthew then said what's taking so many thousands of people out on the streets in so many different countries many people even risking their lives for against heavy had these security force response why do you think so many people in 2019 a prepared to put their life on the line to demonstrate a well against what they cool is social or economic inequality. well i think in many ways what we're seeing across the world is political movements against the
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perception that the governments and politicians in particular are increasingly allayed and disconnected from the interests and concerns of the people that they represent i think we've got a governmental and a political crisis going on in the world today if you actually look just in the last few days out a man has released their annual trust barometer and it finds that the extreme lack of trust in both the competency as well as the ethics of government are quite extraordinary at this point in time i'm particularly in western countries and there's an underlying pessimism about the state of the global economy and where we're going as a society i mean in many ways that's increased by narratives that create false claims about the side of the world rather than actually enabling people to prosper and for ish with free markets and free trade and max in nairobi. you'll report annual report comes out specifically to grab the headlines at
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a time when the world's political and business elite are gathering in davos have you ever seen anything of of much consequence come from this get together in the swiss alps. no i think as someone said last year at davos it's about a bit like saying asking arsonists how to put a fire mean these are the big winners of the global economy as far as they're concerned things are going up saluki phone so it's very hard to expect them to come out with anything like the radical solutions that we need for instance much higher taxation of wealth or much better regulation of corporations but i would say that the solutions are out there inequality is not inevitable and you can see from the protests you can see that people i would agree are fed up with elites and they're fed up with politicians who've been captured by elites and we have a billionaire president in the white house who's just given a huge tax cut to the top one percent in america across the world people can see
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that their politicians are listening to the super rich and not listening to them and i think when that starts to change and politicians see they have to listen to ordinary people that's from we'll see inequality reducing or i don't see the elites at davos doing anything positive in that direction all right now i'd like to ask you and i'll stay with you matt 1st i'd like to ask you all about what you know your thoughts are about the inclusion now of a calculation to include carbon neutral planning this is now going to be taken on board by the global economy to various degrees how do you think that is going to affect the global economy is this likely to be a catalyst for change. i think the plans that are out there things like the green new deal in the us are extremely exciting i mean here in kenya where i live you see the very visceral impacts of climate change every day you've got drought floods we've got
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a plague of locusts this way people are dying because of climate change so we really need to radically reform global economy to do that but we must do that in a way that respects social justice that closes the gap between rich and poor as we saw in france if we try and implement environmental taxes that ordinary people without the elites being seen to do anything towards climate change then you will just get an equal and opposite reaction we need to tackle economic inequality and the climate crosses together right matthew coming to you this commitment under the paris accord or 2015 by and large commits a pledge is the globe major global economies of course the us is not part of it now to a carbon neutral. economy by the year 2050 how would you see that filtering into the current calculations now that are likely to be talked about in davos.
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look it's clearly quite a difficult goal that the water set in is clearly lesser decarbonize our economy and i think quite frankly the only way to achieve that is really to embrace the market and embrace innovation and opportunities presented i've already seen in recent history a decline in the carbon intensity of how economies so we're managing to produce more economic output using fewer carbon emission that's because of new technologies and i think that's ultimately what we're going to have to really rely on if we're going to be outer address the challenge presented by climate change matthew what are the kinds of things what are the kinds of changes in the global economy that are currently in place and that we can perhaps expect for the rest of this year because it obviously any change in global systems will have an impact and i'm just wondering what we can expect or i think it's obviously hard to predict the future in terms of our can expect i think that when it comes to policy makers
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a lot of the focus needs to be on trying to remove the barriers to innovative new technologies remove barriers to new nuclear energy plants that are produced low carbon energy to g.m. genetically more modified food that can produce more food using less cultural space and therefore produce fewer carbon emissions and that's the kind of approach the policymakers should take in the years ahead if we're going to actually tackle climate change rather than just talk about tackling climate change right there max do you think that this rebooting of the global economy. towards a carbon neutral future do you think that this offers an opportunity for more equality for more equity within the global financial and economic systems. i think there is a huge opportunity to repurpose our economy to tackle challenge climate change and tackling equality at the same time i disagree with matthew that the way to do that is through more deregulation 3 more free markets through more of
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a kind of casino capitalism that is led us to the kind of protest levels of inequality that we have at the moment it's going to take careful planning careful investment to create the millions of new green jobs to really repurpose our entire economy that's a huge job and it desperately needs doing but i think it can be done and done in a way that's very positive is great for women it's great for the poorest and it's great for the planet right and are all we witnessing in many ways the the ofter effects if you like the hind over from the financial crash of 2008 still it's the people on the ground those who've been protesting as well as others who've had to endure all stare at me and as matthew alluded to there's also a profound loss of trust both in the economic systems that govern our world and indeed leadership political leadership. absolutely i mean if you just look at the
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changes in the political landscape in europe since 20062007 we've seen a rise in populist parties not just of the far right but also of the far left and we you know we went from this post cold war period where we had 20 years of. fairly widely expected you know neo liberal economic doctrine or whatever you like to call it the washington consensus that did deliver rising living standards to a lot of people and then there was this this crunch period which you know left an aftertaste in which a lot of people seem to think well we just we got poorer whereas the people caused the crisis. got richer and kept their positions and you can argue whether or not that narrative is factually correct or or the nuance within that but that is the greater perception of people across the divide not only just you know with or terry in states where we frequently see people rising up against governments and protesting due to a lack of other options but equally in the established democracies where there is
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a sense that the political and financial structures of society are no longer working for the vast majority of people within them again this isn't just a question of economic growth or or how you know what kind of jobs he will have it is a question of to what extent citizens feel like stakeholders in their societies and increasingly they feel less and less attached to them or they feel less and less represented by the people who are running their countries and hence they're coming out in the streets and they're they're becoming more critical of the system as a whole not just printing your policies right and coming to you matthew also in london and i just like to raise the. opposite by brakemen a dutch economist adult she story and forgive me last year it davus. he basically slammed all the delegates i'm led to understand and he said that the basic formula
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for restructuring and making a more equitable financial system economic system is taxation would you agree max as already. mentioned the issue of taxation for the big corporations and for the mega rich. i think in many ways devil styles represent what people find surface writing about capitalism which of these very cozy relationships between big business and big government and the seeking of special supporters and special bailouts in their times of need while the rest of society loses out i do question whether or not there are taxation is really the case here we already have an extremely progressive taxation system the top one percent of taxpayers in the u.k. pay about 29 percent of all income tax in the u.s. it's even higher the top one percent of income earners pay about 40 percent of all income tax i'm not sure that it's possible to make taxation systems more
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progressive in and to really try to take wealth from the rich much more without it really hurting our overall levels of growth year over levels of prosperity and i think that makes people much worse off i think we spend enough time talking about how terrible the rich are and how awful they are despite the fact that of course the rich that we invaded and provided services that will benefit from i mean we actually need to spend time thinking about how we can raise people up it's not us versus them the rich don't get richer by making the poor poor that's just a myth we can all get richer together and that's quite quite frankly the nature of a successful economy we don't need to hate the rich to reduce poverty in fact people have gotten richer while we're reduce poverty at the same time over the last 30 years when we've raised a 1000000000 people out of extreme poverty oh right and matthew i'll take your word to the words that you wrote and put them to max because matthew accuses all spam of not exactly loving the pull that hating the rich is that the fact i think it's very clear that we living through
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a billionaire. that we have 2 months extreme wealth into a few hands and that we do need to and we are in a situation at the moment and warren buffett the 3rd richest man on earth he says this regularly he has a lower rate of returns then he sent crew tree we're in an upside down. world where because of tax havens because of tax cuts by the tax cuts given by donald trump to rich people in america where rich people are paying lower rates of tax than working class americans that's not fair that's not right it's not about hating rich people that's about a fair system where everyone shoulders the burden and we think that are not just us i mean the i.m.f. the world bank many respects you know thirty's think is considerable scope for increasing taxation on the richest and just it's important to imagine what that means that means schools that means hospitals it means teaches it means doctors it's incredibly important to take that revenue out of the secret bank accounts in
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switzerland and start spending it on schools instead right and daraa how would you characterize therefore the the challenge that lies in front of all of those mingling together in davos right now what is there the essence of the global economic challenge that we're looking to them to provide certainly some of the answers to well a lot of it's a question of chord nation and also cooperation between governments matthew is very correct to point out that. and you know this is become much more public knowledge since the financial crisis the increasing offshore isolation of wealth and also the rise of multinational corporations which can effectively reduce their their their tax burden through various various means you know we saw in the us amazon recently competing for for municipal benefits with regards to the city was choosing
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for its new headquarters there is a degree to which. private enterprise and corporations have become less amenable to political control through oxidation through regulation and all of those sorts of things and that simply because different countries have different jurisdictions they have different legislation and regulations and they will compete with each other that basis that a lot of what we're seeing with you know post-breakfast u.k. so whether or not we can have some sort of community. mutually beneficial cooperation rather than beggar thy neighbor policies with regard to regulation that goes from taxation to environmental laws is really something that we're going to have to wait and see all right this stuff as i have i have to jump up and down sorry i have to jump in there because we are running out of time now want quickly to go back to matthew and ask you for a very brief response if possible and that is so you believe then that
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a free free market free trade environment is going to satisfy the people for instance in sudan those people who went out they protested and they managed to sweep away a new authoritarian regime because their pockets primarily well hurting do you think that they will accept a free market unregulated markets. watch i don't think the framework is necessarily i regulate i think what we've seen over recent decades is that prosperity is very much linked to free markets and free a try i'd already in africa were saying the development of the african trading union block through the african union and that's going to provide extraordinary economic benefits people across africa i do think at the same time of course political freedom and will come in many ways potentially along with that and there will be demands clear as there are rising middle classes for the ability to have a say in the way that society is a government and to ensure the resources aren't stolen from government for the for
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the few and not the many but i but i think ultimately we can't give up what's proven to be the single most successful poverty alleviation tool known to humankind which which are free markets and free trade all right we have to leave it there we've run out of time thank you very much indeed darren mcgill in london max little seen in nairobi and matthew lash also in london thank you all very much indeed and as ever thank you for watching the program you can see it again any time you like by going to the website al-jazeera dot com should you want more discussion you can go to our facebook page facebook dot com full especially a.j. inside story and there's always twitter our handle at a.j. inside story i'm at martine dennis from the whole team here in like an.
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hello there that the weather really has the kid east. and also away from eastern areas of canada because we saw those tremendous amounts of snowfall come. this has been the result if she had to call in the chiefs to actually begin to really clear these huge depths of snow remember it was the wins of about 130 kilometers an hour with the amount of snow that came down so very very quickly but as a say it is a much better picture we continue on through wednesday this those i will see the rain pushing into texas and again up into that cold air across the central plains the midwest this is when the going to see some snow a not too bad and again
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a very stormy system his way into the pacific northwest just 9 celsius in seattle. little bit milder but again plenty of rain in the forecast but at least it's mostly the to the south across much of california but that rain that extend its way eastwards pushing on into the southeast as we head on into thursday the same fine and dry in new york and d.c. with 7 celsius apiece it is mostly calm across much of the caribbean what we have got is this 100 range working the way through cuba. and look at the temperature and ivana just 18 celsius on wednesday it does get. a 24 and nice and with a high of 25. al-jazeera. and.
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