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europe must decide whether it wants to go to the moon and mars on its own or not to europe is a world power in terms of economy or political of weight and the world stage but in space is not comparable with us always china i think the style locus to be had has to be made in order to see where your wants to go. one s. as perseverance rover is searching for ancient signs of microbial life on mars europe's space agency the e.s.a. is due to play a crucial role on the future mission to return samples to earth. after chappelle al-jazeera. this is al-jazeera and these are the headlines a funeral ceremony for chants late president idriss deby has been held in the capital. there he was injured last week while battling rebels who launched an offensive from libya he died on monday and his son mohammed teaches debby is now in
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power and set to lead a transitional military council for the next 18 months french president emanuel says his country will not let anyone threaten chads he's called for a peaceful transition of power. this sort of foresee the people of the region enjoy a peace part with france we have too much older the part lives on them but of liberty and independence france will not let anybody question operating today or tomorrow child is w.t.f. until a total integrity for us will be here to ensure that the promises which was made will be realized we're all progeny stability reclusive from a local and democratic transitional this is what i'm watching by your side. at least 13 people have died in a fire at a hospital treating covert patients in india it comes to someone else was warned they are short of oxygen gte a surge in cases across the country senior citizens in peru are receiving their
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covert vaccines it's one of the hardest hit countries in latin america with more than 1700000 cases and almost 59000 deaths the government says negotiating for more doses to reduce infections while the leaders are holding a virtual meeting on climate change for a 2nd day joe biden has praised the renewed commitment by many countries to cut emissions the u.s. has pledged to have its own emissions by 2030 and a new malaria vaccine is being hailed as a possible game changer in the fight to eliminate the disease it's 77 percent effective in stopping infections. larger human trials to realize any side effects and jailed russian opposition leader alexina valmy has ended his hunger strike after more than 3 weeks he had been urged by allies to end the protests because of his deteriorating health and that's you're up to date stay with us on al-jazeera the stream is up next. argentina's life is being jeopardized by industrialised
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culture and uncontrolled cattle grazing to resupply takes you want to jump into the event. to explore what's being done to protect nature and meet some of those determined to what we want in argentina to look to al jazeera in the feet. high as any al-qaeda welcome to the final episode in the streams climate emergency week we're going to start this episode by going back 30 years. 988 the un established a climate change organization i.p.c.c. where scientists from the whole world agreed with james hansen. and world leaders listen to. our listener knew anything about this greenhouse effect are forgetting about the white house of.
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don't. do not. this is more than. a girl. the world was ready to act. so what took us so long to take the climate crisis seriously or one of the big reasons is because of climate deniers climate change deniers misinformation out disinflation that is our show today i would love it stay part of it if you can do so by jumping into the comments section you want to talk to i guess i have a journalist who's been covering the climate crisis and climate change for over 30 years we have another jealousy is an expert at de bunking misinformation she will literally be showing and telling us how she does it statement.
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now that i've hiked them up i remark how short a psychic to have a hit on the strange mark when you introduce us south to the stream audience. mark hertsgaard everybody i am the executive director of current climate now that's a consortium of hundreds of news outlets are well the world including i'm happy to say al-jazeera english and we are dedicated to improving coverage of the climate story. and he said every government on the change there is no. print and broadcast outlets including the nation magazine or of the current environment it is so good to have you know welcome to the strain it heavily who you are what you day hey for me i'm a journalist focusing on misconduct information i try to find out how best to combat things that go birol that simply aren't true i want to start a market shona with a comment from alyssa a list so why but alyssa really takes
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a spot to what is the problem with climate crisis and why we're not better at addressing it. for over 50 years big polluters have used big tobacco's playbook to spread misinformation and exploited by part communities globally in order to continue their businesses deceive people and basically bury the truth industry muslim burmese stand to this p.r. is not a barrier to building the political will needed to and not to real and just climate solutions these corporations basically spread this misinformation them selves or use their front groups to try to protect their brand and convince people that there are these good corporate citizens when we all know whether anything by mark taught us about a scam. yes i mean the euro has it exactly right and she is saying what has subsequently been confirmed by some texel investigative reporting
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that began appearing about 5 years ago now from the los angeles times and particular but also inside climate news and the columbia journalism school that essentially can be summarized in the abstract exxon knew these investigative journalists went back into action and archives and were able to document with exxon's on the records that exxon's top scientists by $982.00 were telling the top executives at exxon mobil that our product is going to burn the plant in use exactly that term but they did say that it could cause the planet to become uninhabitable if it continued this way and so we know for a fact that for for almost 30 years now the top people inside of exxon mobil and subsequent investigation showed that this also happened at chevron and shell and most of the or companies they knew they knew exactly what they were doing and instead of leveling with the american public and with policymakers and i daresay
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with us in the press they decided to lie about it to maintain their proper margins and as i say this is no longer just simply an accusation that's made by activists investigative journalism has now shown as conclusively and you can find out if you just look at exxon do you'll find all the documents there. i'm just looking here at mock a story that. 22. while washington slept tell us about that story and then patsy at. yeah it's funny that dated 2010 they must have updated it has that story actually 1st ran in 2006 so that 15 years ago and that was the 1st piece where a journalist myself in this case was able to document the so-called tobacco connection and in fact that the caller mentioned this that essentially the oil
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companies use the same playbook that the tobacco companies used to lie about cigarette smoking causing cancer and not just the same playbook they literally use the very same scientists the man in frederick science who at that time was 'd the president of rockefeller university and professor sides dr sites i should say he was the conduit for some $45000000.00 into baguio industry funding that was doomed to various scientists to look at every other possible explanation for why there might be a lung cancer except for smoking cigarettes and this is very much in keeping with a now infamous line in public relations history where the public relations companies. one of the tobacco firms wrote in an internal secret memo that from now on quote doubt is our product unquote in other words we're no longer selling
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cigarettes were no longer marketing kamler or smoke more or rather than extend now we are marketing the concept of doubt to tell the public to tell policymakers and especially government regulators the science isn't so clear about whether smoking causes cancer well does this sound familiar folks this is exactly what the oil industry has been doing since 991 you showed those clips many of the president former president bush and prime minster that are saying this and 990 they were ready to go there and that's exactly when the oil industry would be dns or just information model exactly 'd on what the tobacco companies had done earlier. i'm awkward when i'm listening to that and when i'm looking at social media you'll have seen this too there's such a spectrum of missing dissent from a shinai there and it's become so so broad the one thing that i would say as well as in terms of what we've seen over the past year is that this information of
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conspiracy theories the real world impact of those just can't be understated and the intersection between disinclination conspiracy theories that are often not in neat little boxes that i want to bring to this graphic that was created by a girl called abby richards she's fantastic researcher and it shows how conspiracy theories disinformation they intertwine global warming hoax we probably her all heard about be disinformation right and some conspiracy theories right about they can really really easily intertwine with covert conspiracy theories and this graphic the reason why i think it's great that it shows the impact of it and it shows how easy you can move from one dangerous conspiracy theory to another and as you go to the top of that triangle there you move into conspiracy theories that are deeply rooted in things like the semitism conspiracy theory you probably all seen before so what i would say is when i look at stuff online and when you when i look at stuff online it's so important to realize that there's many messages that people
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are trying to push out there that can be really dangerous that you might get to pick up straight away for example when we think of white supremacy many white supremacists do actually also believe in climate change but they want to push out that very very dangerous message that for example refugees are causing the climate crisis which is just not true and so the mess chain that you have on line be that the information or conspiracy theories knowing that dangerous mess just could be pushed pushed forward via social media that's really crucial mark i want to play you michael he is a consultant for friends of us and so we already know that there was a big. about climate change actually happening that it was happening that wasn't a debate the scientists poorly much agreed on the science but why does the climate lie continue this is where michael picks up haven't it's on. this network of
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deniers has been funded by the fossil fuel industry because politicians conservative influencers a pseudo scientist and conspiracy theorists or they gain the ability to keep selling oil by stopping any action on climate change while profiting off the back from wind unities. go ahead. yeah i mean that's that again that's what the data shows us with our best a good report and shows that this has been a clear strategy and i would just suit our viewers you know don't let yourself be full that's what they're trying to do and it is i think he speaks a real contempt on the part of the oil companies for 'd all our intelligence they think that they can get away 'd with this even though they've been busted on it by investigative reporters even though it's out there and we know it's the case they're still trying to do for you today including with these ads now around earth day where. i think rachelle who hasn't had said what are you willing to do to
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reduce emissions right as and putting the idea out there that it's in to good will lifestyles that are really at fault here in if only you will recycle that we can solve this well in fact 'd the real problem is there in the boardrooms 'd what we need to recycle are those who are members and to get people in there who believe that the health and future of humanity matters more than their short term profit margins and unfortunately i would simply add and try to be engineer views on this that you know as bad as social media is it is also greatly amplified by the fact that specially here in the united states there is an entire right wing media infrastructure starting with fox news i hate to say fox news that they have nothing to do with news but fox and the whole 'd wedding radio world that regurgitates all of this and thereby gives it a certain bill luti and the idea in the in the minds rather of audiences.
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i think it's been something that's really been documented for a long time and when i was looking up posts that were performing very highly on facebook for example using it to call. quite tangle one of those posts was trying to undermine the severity of climate change and hakim from a right wing conservative think tank and so right wing media does have the ability to amplify not only climate denial i think but also the shifting of blame away from for example these companies towards all the things that can just shift the blame in a way that simply just isn't true i think mark you can you can probably see in that an awful lot of the shifting of plane not only on social media but also through these right wing media outlets as well let me just go to you. because i want to for a couple of questions at you and if you can come up with some brief answers that
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would be great so brian one are smart how long do we have before we reach a point of no return. look it's already a point of no return for ready the millions of people who have died from this already. you know the air pollution that is caused by fossil fuel burning it is not just over heating the planet it is also destroying the lungs of people around the world literally 8000000 people die every year on that your pollution so the limits are already tipping well past too late now our judge of the science you know every day matters and that's why today on earth everybody needs to rededicate themselves to really getting the climate or urgency under control as quickly as possible so a so what i'm also seeing on the table. conversations that are not accurate it's misinformation s. dissever masons are not going to reset them but me thank you for your thoughts and a couple of others thank you for your thoughts though not correct but what i wanted
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to ask you sean and then maybe you can help us out with how do ideas mistaken ideas about climate change or global warming how do they get started how do they go viral . the thing about social media is that it has the ability to spread information extremely rapidly and that information often isn't true so i want to show you just a couple of things that i've thought of previously i'm going to show you want to my laptop examples of when trying to misinformation when viral this example for in particular is in relation to the wildfires that occurred along the west coast of the united states back in 2020 the reason why i think this examples so important for you and i to think about is because it was really emotional and easy for people to push to share book not it was one of those viral posts related to this extreme weather event and it claimed wrongly without any evidence and it was simply not
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true that the group on t.v. was behind the wildfires and use this claiming that this was a marine that was trying to set fire to a car and trying to save people from this actually was a well shared mean previously dated years and years before that where you could do is to find where this photo originally came from on the internet using stuff like reverse search anyone could have done that or try to find out more about this but it went viral so so fast and it's soda particular agenda and the reason why these these things are really important to remember is the coast it pushes forward both information at a time of crisis and that kind of information the shifting of blame away from for example climate change towards groups like it's pushing towards an ideological or political line this is just another example of a political candidate who shared the same messaging people also take things just out of context and you don't need high tech stuff to do that for example that the
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map here at the bottom left corner it was trying to suggest that the wildfires were only centered around a particular area in the west coast claiming for example that there were no other wild fire is happening. of course that wasn't true at the rice here you can see how many wildfires were happening around the world at that particular time back in september 2020 now still to this it does have impacts for example the emergency services were telling people to stop contacting them saying that n.t. was behind these wildfires because it was taking away were real and valuable resources so the trends that i've been seeing america be addressing interested to hear your view on this is when we have extreme weather events there's been not a denial per se across the board of a shifting of blame but often putting the blame and iran place or for example in texas we saw people saying that it was the wind turbines that were shutting down
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and that just wasn't true and people sharing that strongly often along political lines or often out of a place of emotion you know that's exactly right that happens and has been happening for many years you know i'm speaking to you here today from my home in california and you know just last year during the terrible fires that we have for president trump came here and met with governors and it is a and said that the scientists don't know whether climate change is real scientists don't know whether these fires are connected to climate change and that's just 100 percent incorrect but again when you have a very high level official like that saying something that is utterly wrong it gives further ammunition to the sources and you know i think most of the robots frankly they're not even real people who are putting out this dissent or mission this is our are those who are responding immediately to spread false rumors and
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it's not hard to understand who's benefiting from this it's not just their own companies it's also tetra states like russia. i am going to share with you guess some of the suggestions from him unity about what do you do about this that we're not even in the climate crisis emergency right now how do you battle the climate deniers who are still out there the misinformation that is still being shed they had some ideas and then i'm going to present a tree sandwich walk is going to tell us what that is have a look have a listen a number of solutions have been proposed how to store or slow the spread of climate misinformation none of these are perfect they all have their coffee and some criticisms the 1st approach is education or not it would be teaching people critical thinking techniques and use it better education about climate change then there is no correlation research is of paramount when you expose people to a we can form of misinformation it builds up their muti their resilience so they'd
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be less likely to be misled the main character of the actual misinformation the other benefit of this approach is it means that when we knock your people against climate misinformation that also gives them the ability to spot no same retard compared makes in our area back to measure misinformation or current misinformation on the good we rate unity of data science volunteers who are working on national processing algorithms to classify news articles online misinformation disinformation or truth mark kelly of ideas there are plenty of evolving very active about what we can do covering climate now is one of the ways that journalists can say how do we do this better i just want to show our audience a statement here by the partners of covering climate now it's time for journalism to recognize that climate emergency is this is a state with
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a science not politics mark how we doing as a media globally handling this topic. i think that we are getting slowly better we've found the current climate now 2 years ago at a time of climate science especially here in the united states and most especially 'd among the t.v. networks that are still the dominant source of information for most people we bring the climate silence i think we'll never go back to climate silence but we have a long ways to go before we really as as an industry as a news business do justice to the story of climate change is the defining story of our time and to me the reason that we issued that statement about the climate emergency is precisely because that's what the scientists are telling us it's not activism to say 'd it's a climate emergency that is the. science is using because like with a heart attack you need to respond to an emergency immediately not tomorrow not next week immediately and then it is not i'm sad to say that is not how most news
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outlets are covering the story at least not yet so to a social media pathless have been trying over the last year. to try and tackle misinformation and disappointments and present because a private one thing and then all centering the rest of that has nothing to offer but their actions around the world how is doing with the climate crisis what i thought i. so pop forms like facebook have made gains or at least trying to tackle more facebook for example they've released their climate change center which aims to provide people with legitimate information trying to put the facts 1st i think that's a really good step because putting the facts 1st and how you tackle false information is very important and what that will do is and what they're trying to roll out even more is putting labels underneath posts that are talking about climate change and then gearing them towards this new web site that is old
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legitimate scientific information but it's not just facebook and i want to show just another example here because this particular app it's very difficult to discern where fake news is spreading and that's what's up because it's closed you can't actually see what's happening a lot up there messages you probably have like i have some relatives who share messages really quickly and many many of those best just would have all the information at us so what's updated how been doing is if the messages spread really really fast so a big sporting going on they will try and slow down that day and the left corner there you can see 2 arrows under the example roy ronald being forward at that to show you if something is important numerous times now that was put under covert 19 due to cope with 19 but it's trying to do that to spread to stop the spread of all the polls information out there but there's one thing i want to show you as well that's why i'm going to just switch into at this particular. image to show you.
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tick tock so tick tock is where many conspiracy theories tend to go viral and i looked up the word climate just before the show and want to talk was trying to push me for 2 or things like climate change is fake and conspiracy theories like climate control so the tech companies really do have more to do particularly this example they shouldn't be hearing most toward these kind of false claims. i'm just thinking i'm looking at you and there is a discussion and there's a debate about the climate crisis about global warming if you were curating. right now what would you be saying or be a pig to live in that you would set people straight so that's a very it is a low right place and not the wrong place. well you mentioned earlier to me that truth sand what's the idea of a truly sandwich we have to be careful with all of this information stuff of course it's important to rabbit out of facebook and talk in the others but let's not
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forget that most people the overwhelming majority of people over 75 percent worldwide understand that climate change is real it's manmade serious and we need to do something about it so one tactic is to not do the 'd liars more power than they really have baiji and that attention don't pay attention to them and when you talk about the disinformation you put in a true sandwich so you start with the truth right the truth is that climate change is man made serious 'd the sandwich part is that there's a lot of deniers out there including your companies who are trying to tell you different and then the final piece of bread is that the statement that all the science in the world it all is scientifically chatham is around the world and 99.9 percent of scientists agree that this is real thank you so much mark thank you so have thank you for taking part in our climate of vaccine for save our.
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