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get her pack. he keeps a can of pepper spray ready. >> reporter: we got her backpack and shoes, and we did not see the bear. rangers say injuries from attacks are rare, one per year, and could be prevented. >> if we encountered a bear, i would try to back away. if the bear followed us, i would stand my ground. if it continued towards us, i would stand back and pull out the pepper spray and pull the tab and fire. >> reporter: animals often venture into public places. that attracts tourists. somehow, even in thousands of miles of open wilderness, it can get a little crowded.
"cnn newsroom" continues right now with randi kaye. >> thank you. bigger is better, and reforms beat repairs, and sometimes you have to eat your peas. president obama's guiding principles as he prepares to meet again with leaders of congress over debt, and default. he made his case for a sweeping deal combining sweeping cuts and tax reforms including cuts, and entitlement cuts. it's a plan worth $4 trillion, give or take, roughly twice the size of the house republicans now want. if you take a look here, that smaller bag of cash there, house republicans are looking at $2 trillion mainly in spending cuts. the back drop, of course, is the battle over raising the nation's debt ceiling, which the treasury says has to happen by august
2nd, or the u.s. risks it's first ever default. the president says a deal will get done, and it won't just be a stop gap. >> i will not sign a 30-day or a 60-day or a 90-day extension. that's just not an acceptable approach. if we think it's going to be hard -- if we think it's hard now, emergency how these guys are going to be thinking six months from now in the middle of election season, when they are all up. it's not going to get easier. it's going to get harder. so we might as well do it now. pull off the band-aid. eat our peas. >> now, i want to bring in white house correspondent, and from cnn money. go big or go home. what is the republican push back? >> reporter: we're going to be finding out very shortly because house speaker john boehner will take to the cameras at 1:30
eastern essentially in the rebuttal to the news conference from the president earlier today. but the push back for republicans has been tax increases. you have republicans who have insisted on no tax increases, and democrats that insisted if there will be spending cuts, to achieve trillions of dollars in deficit savings. they don't want to abandon -- if there are going to be cuts to programs that are huge, they want to be able to say we pushed for sacrifices from wealthy americans and corporations. they are trying to strike kind of a just right agreement. because on one hand, you have a lot of republicans, and many of them who were swept into power
in the last election saying we're going to cut spending and make government smaller, so the idea of tax increases, and certainly this is something a lot of them literally pledged they will not do, randi, it would force them to go back on their words. and then on the other side you look at democrats saying we're afraid poor americans and seniors will be hurt in this, and the idea of entitlement reform that republicans are pushing for, that's a winning message democrats have seen that they can say, we're not going to go along with cuts for that. the reality is there will be needed democrat and republican votes. this will take sacrifice from both sides. clearly the tone the president is trying to strike is he is the one urging both sides to swallow a bitter pill. >> you mention this pledge against raising the taxes. i want to show you -- we have a graphic here that spells it out.
there you can see it. 236 representatives saying there, and you have many others saying they have taken the pledge and are opposed to raising taxes to any extent, and all but three are republicans. let me go to jean now. it was said we hit the kraeling in may, and now it's august. what could happen in august if the borrowing limit is not raised? >> not many good things. in the near term, the treasury will have to decide who are we going to pay and not pay. general deficits are about 125 a month. so they also need to plan for payments, like a big interest payment on august 15th. what they will have to do is basically delay about 44% of
spending. starting august 3rd. that's not going to be good for the economy, because people like government contractors or people that get government benefits may not get paid on time, so they will not have cash in their pockets. that's something both parties should want to avoid. according to president obama, everybody sitting around that negotiating table does want to avoid. >> if you can, just remind us what the debt ceiling is. opponents of raising it make it sound this is a ticket to spend more. >> yeah, that's not true. it's basically a technical measure is that a legal limit on how much the treasury can borrow. what happens is because of all the legislation congress passed that has obligated the treasury to pay far more bills than it gets in revenue coming in the door, which retires it to borrow. it's reported on fairly regularly, and they say we will
have to change the debt ceiling. so if we never pass a spending bill we will have to continue to raise the debt ceiling. >> it's tighter than the financial calendar, correct? >> reporter: it is, randy. remember when the white house and congressional republicans and democrats nearly averted a government shutdown a few months ago striking a deal an hour and a half before the deadline? they can't do that this time because an agreement in concept is not an agreement in legislative language. once they come to an agreement in concept, it has to be put into legislative language. it has to be done in ten days, and that's long before the august 2nd deadline. >> thank you both. we appreciate it. our sound affect is from the biggest sports tournament you probably did not know what was going on. the women's world cup is heading
into semifinal rounds in germany, and team usa is still in the mix. brazil, on the other hand, is not. the brazilians played the americans in a draw, 2-2, in the match. it came down to penalty kicks. here is the kick that clinched it. >> the usa, it's been a near miracle! >> the yanks play the fren och wednesday. america last took the title in 1999. now, syrian progovernment demonstrators attack the u.s. and french embassies in damascus today. in both cases they were beaten back by syrian security forces. no fatalities, but damage was done. the attacks follow visits by the american and french ambassadors last week in support of
prodemocracy demonstrators. tough words from iran from the new secretary of defense, leon pennetta. he says iran is supplying republicans to extremists in iraq that are killing u.s. troops as they prepare to leave the country. pennetta says they will not walk away from the challenge and is urging iraq to crack down on the insurgents. in texas, funeral services were held today for a man that fell to his death at a texas rangers baseball came. 39-year-old shannon stone will be buried in his hometown. he fell 20 feet while trying to catch a ball for his 6-year-old son that was with him at the game. the outfielder, josh hamilton, tossed a ball into the stands. he reached for the ball but lost his balance and crashed
head-first into a scoreboard. the rangers have donated an undisclosed sum of money to help the family. and betty ford will be buried alongside her husband. she died of natural causes on friday. she was 93. tomorrow she will be remembered in the desert region that she and her rehab made famous for treating hollywood stars for alcohol and other addictions. ford revealed her own addiction to pain killers and alcohol after leaving the white house. even though british tabloid "news of the world" printed its last edition on sunday, the scandal keeps widening. what is that? it's you!
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the debt ceiling debate is big news at the white house and in washington, but how are the negotiations being viewed on wall street? right now the dow is down about 160 right there. alison kosik joins me from the new york exchange. how much of this can we blame on the debt ceiling negotiations? >> the fact is the debt ceiling is a big concern on wall street. the markets fell before the president spoke. we got debt problems all around the world. here in the u.s. we have congressional leaders negotiating on a debt ceiling, and wall street is betting a deal will be done in time. the problem for the markets is the longer it's pushed off the more nervous the investors are getting, but problems in other
places like europe are getting worse, and the focus is on italy, and it may default on its debt. and then italy is more important. it's much bigger economy than greece. they may not have the right mix of cash and debt to survive a new financial crisis. bottom line with this, the u.s. debt problems, they are part of the story as to what is happening with the financial markets today. >> where do we go from here is the question? do we expect the market to keep dropping as the negotiations drag on, which they seem to be doing? >> they do. we won't necessarily see the markets turn lower. we are getting in the second quarter earning season. we will get the quarterly report card from alcoa, and expectations are generally high for this report card. and it could wind up happening as you could see the markets
sway towards the positive side after the debt negotiations. we have a lot of negative forces on the market, and the economy is a big concern and the debt ceiling will be the underlying issue, because it doesn't go away until we have a deal because the prospect of the u.s. defaulting could really spoil the markets. >> and today the president had tough words. he said he will not accept a continuing resolution whether it's 30 days or 60 days. is that something that wall street would welcome? >> you know, i talked to a few traders, and although the president was saying defiant lehi would not accept that, and traders think he would. they saw it as a positive that they see a 90-day resolution would be a positive because it would mean negotiations are closer to a settlement. the traders tell me if it happens you could see the market rally again, but the reality is it would be a short term bumps,
because once the 90-daytime period is up, you would see the market fall back because the debt ceiling would not raised to cover the continuing resolution, and they would fight the same battle all over again. wall street is headline driven at this point, and if there is a 90-day resolution the market would rally on that, but in the short term. >> thank you, alison. well the saga that killed the british tabloid "news of the world" is widening. now more allegations, the "daily mirror" is reporting that they tried unsuccessfully to gather phone records of 9/11 phone records. dan rivers joins us now live with the latest. what do we know about the "daily
mirror's" report of the 9/11 victims? >> this is the allegation from "the mirror," they contacted a former new york police officer to try and get the phone numbers from families of victims of 9 9/11. it shows how international the story is becoming. it's no longer a small story in the uk about the practices of a tabloid here. it's getting a lot bigger than that. one illustration of how much bigger it's getting is that the latest victim that is alleging they were targeted is the former prime minister here, gordon brown, that suggested he was targeted by "the sun" newspaper, it's a sister publication but owned by marurdoch, and also "t sun times," and they were trying
to get information related to a illness his son had and his bank records and so forth. it's getting bigger and not going away. >> you might wonder how it's going to affect murdoch's acquisition of sky news. >> yeah, and that was something that they were resisting all along, and now they have embraced it and it's effectively giving them 24 weeks of breathing space while that is looked into by the competition commission, and i guess they're hoping the hysteria around the story calms down a bit and allows them to get that deal through. it's looking less and less likely, it must be said, that that deal would be approved now. and there are all sorts of strands to the stories.
one newspaper here says the queen's personal details were sold by a corrupt police officers that were charged with protecting her to a journalists from "the news of the world." if this is true, it's difficult to imagine a more serious breach of security for the royal family. not only those phone numbers and those around her that were handed over, but supposedly her eye -- itenary. >> he was pictured yesterday with his embattled chief executive, rebecca brooks, having a meal in an exclusive area of london. no comment, really. he has not come out and held a press conference. he is here to deal with the
crisis in the media empire, but so far he's not coming out and talking to anybody, which is extraordinary giving the allegations swirling around his publications, and not now just "news of the world qu," which h been shot down. >> he has to say something at some point. thank you. we're breaking records with the heat. have you noticed more straits are facing triple digits today. we have the highs, and more highs straight ahead.
train collided with the dump truck. the driver of the truck was killed. so far no reports on injuries of train passengers. and after one day on the job, she may get fired. she was in the atlanta school system, which has been hit with scandal. she denied any allegations, and the texas school board scheduled a vote tonight on whether she should be fired. nasa concluded a nearby piece of space junk poses no threat at all for the space shuttle. earlier mission controllers worried the remains of an old satellite could threaten the mission, but they say the debris will pass by at a safe distance. and then authorities want to know how a stun gun turned up on
a jetblue plane. the stun gun was found by the cleaning crew. and then many states are under a heat adviser. temperatures could exceed 105 farenheit in some areas. it looks pretty hot. >> it's wicked hot. and it's down right dangerous. we have reports from three straits that are reporting heat-related fatalities in the last couple days. texas, and parts of arkansas have seen that, and now into illinois, we just got a report last night that a man in his 50s succumbed to the heat, and did not have any air-conditioning unfortunately. it's dangerous. check on your neighbors and friends and your pets.
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house speaker john boehner is expected to make comments in a few minutes from now. we're looking at a live picture on capitol hill. we will bring you those comments as soon as he starts to speak right here on cnn. an inspiration for all. you may remember bethany hamilton who was attacked by a shark and lost her arm in the attack but vowed to get back on the board and has many times. she has been a fixture on the prosurfing circuit for years now. her drive to overcome the attack was told in the hollywood movie, "soul surfer." >> thank you for having me. >> i know you were injured not too long ago in indonesia. what happened and how are you doing? >> well, i was on a surf trip in indonesia searching for waves,
and where i was it was basically in the middle of nowhere. no internet or phone service or anything like that. i was surfing and hit my fin on my arm, a little gash. i ended up damaging a nerve, so i ended up having to get surgery a week later. the doctor repairs my nerve, and so my scales are drying out because i have not been able to surf for a cweeks now. >> i understand you lost a lot of blood there? >> yeah, it was intimidating at the time. >> when do you think you might be competing again? >> i think i have a couple weeks, so. >> that's it? >> it's okay. i am trying to take it one day at a time. >> the movie "soul surfer," a big success and opened well and doing well in the theaters and
coming out on dvd. i understand you were on set for much of it, your family. what was it like to be there and sort of relive all of this? >> well, it was exciting, and an amazing juourney making the fil. they allowed our family to be part of every step of the way, and we all pretty much lived on set. it was good and helped keep the authenticity and truth in our story, and that's what really mattered to us. >> and a lot of new details are in the movie and certainly in your book about what happened that day that you lost your arm. is there anything, sherry, that you can tell us that we have not heard before? >> one detail i just learned which did not make my book, the day we shot the thailand scene, the next day the tsunami hit hawaii. it was small, but it was just interesting that that happened.
>> as you worked on the movie and you saw it, how difficult was it to just relive all of that as a family? >> a few scenes were traumatic. i had to walk away from the monitor. >> i guess being the parents, it was a bit hard. for me, i felt awesome in the whole experience. i liked who played me, and she did a great job. just learned a lot on how making a movie is so difficult. it was really a lot of fun, though. >> the movie is called "soul surfer," as we mentioned. how important is your faith to you? that played a big role, and there was controversy about the faith in the film? >> yeah, i believe in god and it's important to share who i am and what i believe in, and it was important to show the struggles we went through, and -- >> sorry to interrupt you. house speaker boehner is
speaking now, and let's listen in. >> our disagreements are not personal and never have been, but the gulf between the two parties now is about policy, and it's not about process and not about personalities. the president and i agree that the current levels of spending including entitlement spending are unsuspendable. the president and i disagree on the extent of the entitlement problem and what is necessary in order to solve it. most americans would say that a balanced approach is a simple one. the administration gets the debt limit increase and the american people get the debt decrease, and the reforms.
the american people understand that tax hikes destroy jobs. the last thing we should be doing right now at a time of 9.2% unemployment is enacting more government policies that will destroy jobs. what the american people want is for us to work together to remove government barriers that are getting in the way of job creation and real economic growth. two of the biggest obstacles to job growth are out of control and entitlement spending and the current tax code. i think the fundamental questions are this. can you control spending without reforming entitlements? i think the answer is no. do you need to raise taxes in order to get control of spending? i think the answer is no. if you want to see an increase in government revenues, let's grow the economy and create jobs and broaden the tax base and
lower rates. one senator said last week, we don't need more taxes, what we need are more taxpayers. the disagreement with the president is not about closing loopholes, none of us are fond of loopholes, the disagreement is over raising taxes on the very people we're asking to create jobs in our country. i agree the national debt limit but be raised and i am glad he made the case for it today, but the american people will not accept, and the house cannot pass a bill that raises taxes on job creators. the house can pass a bill that includes larger limits than the hike in the limit as well as future rates on spending. we feel we should enact a balanced budget limit to keep the federal government from spin
spending us into the same situation again. i think we need spending caps to insure that progress we make is not undone in the future. listen, i agree with the president. we cannot allow our nation to default on our debt. but to prevent a default, a bill must pass the congress. a bill that doesn't meet these testses can't pass the house of representatives. this is the message we will take again to the white house today, and hope that we can work our way through this. >> reporter: mr. speaker, are you willing to carry most of the water here, if you can get the president to satisfy the taxes, you have anywhere from 80 to 100 -- [ inaudible ] how can you get past that unless the president wins with taxes? >> i think that whatever agreement that we come to is going to have to pass the house and senate on a bipartisan basis.
>> reporter: how much? >> reporter: the democratic president is saying that we need to cut entitlements, and he praised you for making a good faith effort to come to a big agreement to deal with this issue, and on a personal level, are you disappointed that this moment seems to have gone awry, and the big agreement would truly [ inaudible ]. >> we have been involved in i think sincere and honest negotiations and honest discussions. i think that the president and i both understand that the nation faces a very difficult decision. and clearly, there's no personality difference between the president and i. i get along with him fine. this boils down to two things. i said it on saturday night. the president continues to insist on raising taxes, and they're just not serious enough about fundamental entitlement reform to solve the problem for
the near to intermediate future. i want to get there. i want to do what i think is in the best interest of the country. but it takes two to tango, and they're not there yet. >> reporter: mr. speaker, you say tax increases can't pass the house, but you talked to the president about a massive tax increase -- >> i put no tax increases ever on the table. there was never any agreement to allow tax rates to go up in any discussion i have ever had with the white house. not once. >> reporter: the president today said that he is prepared to take significant heat from his party to get something done. are you no longer or willing to take similar heat. if you are, where? >> i understand that this is going to take sacrifice and take political capital on both sides.
i am certainly willing to take my fair share of it. but if we're going to take political capital, let's step up and do the big thing and the right thing for the country. >> you are listening to house speaker john boehner, and also talking tough like president obama earlier today saying he had several questions, one of them being can you control spending without reforming entitlements, and his answer for that was no. his disagreement with the president he says is about raising taxes on people that they are asking to create jobs. the republicans will not pass a bill that races taxes. and some of closing words there, i want to get there, and it takes two to tango, and they're not there yet. will they get there by the deadline, august 2nd? we'll have to wait and see. meantime, we will take a quick break. americans, many in small towns and rural communities, giving them a new choice. we'll deliver better service,
inspiration to so many. she's in the studio with us along with mother, sherry, and we were talking with her before house boehner came out speaking about the debt ceiling. we want to thank you for coming to the studio, and we want to mention the dvd "soul surfer," coming out soon, and also the book about raising a soul surfer. thank you. let's take a look at some of the news and other headlines you may have missed. president obama is scheduled to meet with congressional leaders just about 25 minutes from now to once again discuss the debt ceiling. at a news conference a short time ago he reinforced his commitment to get a deal done before the deadline. a shocking new development
in the scandal surrounding media mogul, murdoch. british prime minister gordon brown accused the group of illegally trying to get details of his bank accounts and phone messages and an illness of his son. "news of the world" published its final issue yesterday. first lady michelle obama plans to travel to palm desert, california, to attend former first lady betty ford's funeral. according to a family representative, there will be two services for the former first lady. one will take place tomorrow in california, and the other will be on thursday in grand rapids, michigan. yesterday's women's soccer game between the u.s. and brazil produced a sports moment so amazing that you have to see it to believe it. down a goal and in the final
moments of extra time ticking away, yes, it seems the u.s. were poised for a disappointing defeat, and then the amazing happened in a desperate flury. the u.s. midfielder streaked down the sideline and sent a booming hail mary towards the box, and they tied the game at two goals a piece. they will now play france in the next round. pretty cool. your doctor's cell phone number. special office hours. how much money would you shell out to get these from your doctor? that's in less than 80 seconds. . prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief
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concierge model. what is the difference between this model and what we know has been around for years? >> the full model started with doctors that took their practices of 1500 to 3,000 patients and narrowed them down to a couple people that agreed to pay a membership fee. we looked at this as a tough thing to do and unfair and disinfranchised hundreds of patients. we came up with a hybrid approach where they would offer services and then the other majority of time with their general practice. >> how does it work? if a patient that doesn't pay for the service get the boot and go to the back of the line? >> no, there is no pry oe pry o.
the priority need is taken first. there is no police. doctors take an hour or two each day and devote it to patience who are members of the program for enhanced physicals and follow-up visits, usually one or two it will be four to six people an hour. >> doctors set aside the specific hours one or two patients in the hours versus four to six patients. but those who aren't paying for the extra service, would you say they're getting the equal amount of time and just as good a service for their doctor as those who are paying for the service? >> it's a nice thing about a hybrid program is patients who are a traditional patient or a concierge patient still has the same doctor delivered in their care. we're convinced we see it time and time again that the patients get the same care. but with the enhanced service, doctors can do more than deliver the care. they can be part of the advice
and advocacy for the patient. they can manage the emotional needs and help them, encourage them to do the right thing for themselves. >> is this what it comes down to? is this what people have to do to get great health care these days, is pay up? >> health care is shifting. you know, right now there's a move toward what i call factory medicine, larger and larger entities, depersonalization. and there's a schism in health care where people will be part of the factory system, or they'll be part of a private health care system. the hybrid concierge program for primary care doctors is a great way to encourage patients to have a choice and to encourage doctors to continue to be great doctors. we see it as a gap -- a tremendous problem solver for health care today. >> appreciate your coming on the show and your insight to this new trend. thank you so much. well, imagine shopping for groceries in the subway without you ever taking a step inside a store? we take you underground to show
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every day on the show, we do a segment called the big eye. it's about big idea and patients and solutions to problems. today we're going underground to do two things at once, grocery shopping and catching the subway train. how does that work, right? all we have to do is look to the south koreans to find something about time management. see the pictures the guys are putting up? that's an experimental grocery store being plastered to the walls of believe it or not, the subway. home plus has developed a system that basically allows commuters to restock their kitchens while they wait for the train.
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time for an update and a little bit of confidence from sarah palin talking about what might happen if she decides to run. cnn political producer shannon travis joining me from washington. what are we hearing from the former alaska governor, exactly? >> hey there, randi, you're right. a lot of confidence from the alaska governor. sarah palin in a "newsweek" interview said she could win the presidency if she decides to run. take a listen to one of the quotes that stuck out at me. quote, i'm not too egotistical as to believe it has to be me or it can only be me to turn things around. i do believe i can win. the former alaska governor is also saying that the field needs to widen, there need to be more candidates, there are ten major candidates now. and she says her daughter, bristol, wants her to win. moving on to another -- an actual candidate, michelle bachmann, congresswoman, she's rising in the polls, posing a threat to some of her republican
rivals. a new poll from the republican.com is she's at 25% a few points ahead of romney at 21%. tim pawlenty and herman cain are at 9%. she's been rising in recent polls. another story that you mentioned this hour. the funeral for the former first lady, betty ford. the current first lady, michelle obama will be attending that funeral tomorrow in palm desert, california. randi? thank you for the update. the next update from the best political team on television is just an hour away. we are watching the white house where president obama is about to sit down yet again with leaders of congress over some sort of deficit-cutting measure that will clear the way for an increase in america's ability to borrow. washington can postpone, side step, plain fudge a lot of hard decisions but the debt ceiling is not one of them.
where the treasury sees a hard and fast deadline august 2 to raise the ceiling or risk the opportunity to take on spending in taxes, entitlements, medicare, medicaid, and social security. in a white house news conference you may have seen live, the president made his case for what he called the largest possible deal worth maybe $4 trillion. house republicans are pushing a plan roughly half that size. you can see it right here, made up mainly of spending cuts on the republican side. we're just minutes ago from the republican house speaker who said his differences with the white house begin with the word "balance." >> most americans would say a balanced approach is a simple one. the administration gets its debt limit increase and the american people get their spending cuts. and their reforms. and adding tax increases to the equation doesn't balance anything. >> the president says a deal will get done and it won't just
be a stop gap. >> i will not sign a 30-day or a 60-day or a 90-day extension. that is just not an acceptable approach. and if we think it's going to be hard -- we think it's hard now, imagine how the guys are going to be thinking six months from now in the middle of election season when they're all up. it's not going to get easier, it's going to get harder. so, we might as well do it now. pull off the band aid. eat our peas. >> now i want to bring in cnn correspondent breanna kieler and kate baudoui. what are the points here. we heard john boehner say it isn't political. >> it has to do with tax increases, randi. democrats want to see tax increase ifs they're going to give so much on spending cuts to
priorities and programs that mean so much to them. they and the white house want to see something that they say that they've also -- if they're squeezing all americans, that they're squeezing corporations, they're squeezing wealthy americans. it's not just about tax increases, it's about entitlement reform, it's about potentially tax reform. it's about spending cuttings. and it is at a very base level also about the debt ceiling which has become sort of a symbol if you will and kalt will tell you this for some republicans, it's about a license to spend. that's what republicans say. >> and isn't the president offering to defer taxes to 2013, i mean, presumably, when the economy is on some sounder footing. >> this was an interesting detail in his press conference earlier that we heard. he was saying we're not talking about imminent tax increases. we're talking about things that will go into effect down the road at 2013. i think also, though, randy what you'll hear from republicans because it's something in 2013,
it's a tax hike, in their view. >> kate, let me bring you in here. aren't the president and speaker boehner both it seems this way at the mercy of their rank and file, really, when it comes to this big historic agreement? >> they both say that to some extent. and they both acknowledge again today that it's going to take both democrats and republicans despite the fact the republicans have the majority in the house and if they all agree can push through many pieces of legislation and they both acknowledge this is going to take a bipartisan effort to push it through. that's because there are elements in both parties, some conservatives, members of the tea party caucus, and on the other side, progressive liberal democrats that are not going to vote for this because of the various reasons. we have some in the tea party caucus saying they will not vote to raise the debt ceiling no matter what. medicare or social security on the table at all, they're not going to do it at all. that's what you hear the president talk about in his press conference is he's willing
to take significant heat from his party to get a deal done. i asked john boehner that same question if he was willing to take that similar heat, he said he knows there's going to be a lot -- this is tough politically. that they both need to come to an agreement in order to push this through. but he remained very firm today, as well as majority leader cantor that no tax hikes are on the table and that's where they're remaining firm at the moment. >> the only thing both sides agree on is they will hammer out a deal. that's what they say. remind us if you would about this political calendar. when do we need this deal by? >> it almost seems a little counterintuitive, everyone seems to agree on one thing. they need to get the deal done in time to raise the debt ceiling by august 2, the deadline set by the treasury. but you'll hear from the republicans as well as democrats saying we'll not vote to raise the debt ceiling if x and if y. people say publicly a deal needs to get struck by the end of this week. july 22 is a date that the
president had thrown out there. it does take time to draft legislation and get it past through both chambers of congress to get it to the president's desk in time for it to be signed by august 2. we're hearing today if we know anything out of today, it seems that both sides are possibly more dug in than ever on their sticking points. the big sticking point, this is no surprise of anyone, seems to be the issue of taxes. >> i want to get back to you. the president vowing to meet with lawmakers every day until a deal gets done? i mean, do these deals really get done in meetings like these? or are these photo-ops meant to keep the pressure on, letting americans know the legislators are meant to get the deal done for them. >> a lot is a photo-op for sure to keep the pressure on. we're doing something. we understand the pressure needs to be done. we're working very hard. what you don't see in a photo-op that is important is the behind the scenes staff level discussions, the people who are
very -- they're sort of very entrenched in the policy and they understand the fine details. the minute we've seen this in other negotiations. this is giving both sides an opportunity to say, you know what, we fought until the bitter end. this was the best deal that we could get. but it's certainly scary as you march toward a august 2 deadline when the ramifications of a default would be mott just here in the u.s. but global in economic ramifications. >> yeah, certainly. breanna kieler, kate bauldoin, thank you so much. we appreciate it. the biggest sports tournament you didn't know was going on. the biggest was heading to semifinal rounds in team germany. team usa is in the mix. the brazilians replace the americans to a draw 2-2 in the quarterfinal match. it came down to penalty
kickings. here's the kick that clinched it. >> team usa. in the last call. been a miracle that's interesting. >> the yanks play the french and japan plays sweden. america last took the title in 1999. >> some of the other top stories we're following now, syrian pro government demonstrators attacked the embassy in damascus today. they spray painted parts of the building, broke windows, knocked out security cameras. they were dispersed by marines. no casualties. they attacked the residents and the french embassy. they got a slow response in the failure to prevent the attack. the attacks follow visits by the american french ambassadors in support of the pro democracy demonstrators. tough words for iran for u.n. secretary of defense, leon
panetta. panetta arrived from afghanistan. iran is supplying weapons to extremists in iraq as they prepare to leave the country. panetta says he will not walk away from this challenge and urging iraq to crack down on the insurgents. troops were killed in june. three more in the first ten days of this month. a few hours after panetta spoke with u.s. troops, three rockets landed in the green zone in central baghdad, no casualties. in texas, hundreds of people attended the funeral service today for a man who fell to his death at a texas rangers baseball game. 39-year-old shannon stone will be buried in his hometown of brownwood. a firefighter died thursday after falling 20 feet while trying to catch a ball for his 6-year-old son with him at the game. josh hamilton tossed a foul ball to the stands. he reached for the ball but lost his balance and crashed head first to a score board. the rangers have donated an undisclosed sum of money to help the stone family.
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when you talk to people, do you get a sense betty ford touched their lives by simply being betty ford? >> absolutely. that's it. people who met betty ford say she was so real. she's real and outspoken. for a lot of the residents, she and joe ford were long-time parishioners at the church behind me. that's where the first of two memorials will be held tomorrow. a lot of the residents say remember her for her vivacious character and here's what they say they remember today? >> she wasn't what we call an extrovert, but very nice always. >> many years ago, she had breast cancer and i had it after she did. she called me in the hospital. >> now preparations are under way inside the church and the
surrounding area right now all gearing up for the memorial tomorrow. again, the first of two. she will be later -- laid to rest on wednesday in grand rapids, michigan. randi? >> and she was so frank. it stood out about it. she was so frank and open about her drug abuse and breast cancer by acknowledging her own struggles in public before it was oh can i to do that. i mean, she's saved countless lives in doing so. are folks talking about that and what that means for her legacy? >> absolutely. that would be her legacy, randy. when the news broke of her passing, so many people came out, celebrities and regular folks alike. people whose lives she touched because of the betty ford center. it opened in the '80s and helped 90,000 people really conquer her addictions, addictions she suffered on her own.
and she was forward thinking and before her teem when i know being outspoken about the real problems she was facing as a regular person. but in this tremendous role as first lady. clearly, shell connected with so many people and all of those thousands of lives saved are thanking betty ford and the legacy she's leaving. >> sandra indoe, appreciate it. thank you very much. up next, britain's former prime minister says he was the victim of the phone hacking scandal that keeps widening. we'll have the details for you next. king it hard to breathe, i thought those days might be over. so my doctor prescribed symbicort. it helps significantly improve my lung function, starting within 5 minutes. symbicort doesn't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden symptoms. with symbicort, today i'm breathing better, and that means... game on! symbicort is for copd, including chronic bronchitis and emphysema. it should not be taken more than twice a day. symbicort may increase your risk of lung infections, osteoporosis, and some eye problems.
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world" is rising and there are other allegations by media mogul rupert murdoch. britain's daily mirror tried unsuccessfully to gather phone records of 9/11 attack victims. news of the world is closed after being exposed for hacking into the phone of a murdered schoolgirl. becky anderson reports. >> what's the crux of the story here. britain's biggest selling sunday newspaper, "the news of the world" is shot down by its owner. it came as british police revealed they identified nearly 4,000 potential victims of illegal eavesdropping. allegations are nothing new. for years, they've been associated with celebrities and royals. no longer. it was revealed that the move of a murdered british schoolgirl was hacked into. the paper was said to have voice mail, and doting messages that gave her family false hope that she was still alive.
24 hours later, it emerged that the families who lost loved ones in the london terror attacks had also been targeted. and then what appears to be the last straw, relatives of british soldiers killed in afghanistan and in iraq. i bit more now on "news of the world" itself. it brings to a close 160 years of history. the first was published in 1843. a weekly paper that flew off of the newsstands. biggest selling sunday selling 2 million copies and read by more than 5 million. many knew it as a paper that exposed the misdemeanors of the rich, royal, and sex scandals nicknamed the news of the screws with divine brown's kiss and tell and actor hugh grant and david beckham's alleged affair with rebecca luce making front page splashes. the paper carried the first
pictures of the bed where the pop star died. well, the paper had a particular symbolic significance for rupert murdoch. it was the first british newspaper he bought in 1969 and the cornerstone of what became a huge media empire stretching from the united states to australia. the current scandal from 2005. the palace suspected people were listening in on the voice mails of prince william and other royal staff. in 2006, august, metropolitan police arrested "the news of the world's" correspondent clive goodman. and this man, private investigator glenn molcave. no one was implicated and the british police faced criticism for their inquirinquiry. "the news of the world"'s editor resigns. in july of 2007 and they appointed media advisor to the then leader of the opposition,
david cameron, the prime minister. in 2009, the guardian revealed senior staff from "news of the world" knew that reporters were illegally hacking messages. sienna miller and star hugh grant. but london's metropolitan police chose not to relaunch their investigation. focus in on two people, prime minister david cameron with the phone hacking allegationings to start when the investigation is over and the other looking at newspaper ethics. the criticism for the decision to hire. and he was the former "news of the world" editor whom mr. cameron took on a's his communications chief. he resigned from that post in january of 2011 and was arrested over these latest revelations. journalism, politics, the country's police. the phone hacking scandal could also dent rupert murdoch's
business ambitions. newscorp is trying to acquire a paid tv broadcaster serving britain and ireland. some say getting rid of "news of the world" will help. it owns 39% of the company but wants to snap up the remainder. the company'sed by faced opposition from the rivals and media industry and some politicians who object it on grounds that it would own too much of the british media if the deal went through. well, that opposition has increased as the phone hacking scandal escalates. critics claims it chose news corp. and its management not proper to own the broadcaster. so where does this all leave news international, the company that runs newscorp's newspaper assets. they're cooperating with the inquiry, cause to be made for rebecca brooks, editor of "news of the world" resigned from her current job as chief executive from news international. deeply worrying questions have
emerged from this scandal, the phone hacking allegations are truly appalling. if you ever needed a story that intertwined politics, global business, its pressures, morality, and media ethics, you've got one right here. >> thank you to becky. well, two celebrities gave birth over the weekend. we'll tell you who. but neither got us talking as much as this baby. born at more than 16 pounds. whoa! elizabeth cohen is here to tell us why he may have been so big, next. a expefrom sprint. its powerful tools help you work faster and smarter so you can get back to playing "angry birds." it lets you access business forms on the go, fire off e-mails with the qwerty keypad, and work securely around the world so you can get back to playing "angry birds." it's the android-powered phone that mixes business with pleasure. so let's get our work done, america, so we can all get back to playing "angry birds." the motorola expert from sprint. trouble hearing on the phone? visit sprintrelay.com.
>> we want to show you the new video on cnn. a little shaky. that's the president, mr. obama and the vice president meeting with leadership in the cabinet room discussing the ongoing efforts to find a balanced approach to deficit reduction. you can see how house speaker john boehner there along with harry green, majority leader. we'll keep an eye on that. let you know if any information comes out of this big meeting there in the captive room. in the meantime, hollywood
has two new young stars, actors kate hudson and her fiance, matthew bellamy are the parents of a baby boy. they don't know their name yet. hudson has a 7-year-old son from a previous marriage. and former spice girl victoria beckham. she and her husband, soccer superstar david beckham named the little girl. she's the couple's fourth child but only the first daughter. the birth of a bouncing baby boy in texas has many of us dropping our jaws. >> wow, this is really going to be big. all i can see is big cheeks. >> oh, yes. meet jamichael brown. imagine you or your wife giving birth to jamichael tipping the scales at 16 pounds, 1 ounce. he's 2 feet tall. he's the biggest baby ever born in texas.
senior medical correspondent is here. how did he get so big? >> the mom had gestational diabetes. we see the cute fat baby, he's doing great. but not a good thing. you do not want your baby to be 16 pounds. he's still in the hospital because they have trouble getting blood sugar under control. >> little jamichael, does he have health concerns because he's so big. >> we got off of the phone, my producer just got off of the phone with mrs. johnson. and she said that he's doing great. but that he is -- his blood sugar is not quite where they want it to be. so he's still in the hospital. so that's the situation there. >> and what -- could this happen to anyone? i mean, is there something that maybe his mom could have done or maybe that she missed, could have done better so this didn't happen and he didn't grow so large? >> she said they knew she had gestation y'all diabetes and they were treating her with medication. we asked the diabetes doctor not
connected with the family and we said, what happened here? 16 pounds? he said, you know, i get the feeling that something went wrong here, that this was not well managed. he couldn't say it for sure. but he said urinsually we get i under control and you don't have a 16-pound baby. we might not have managed it right, but we don't want to pass judgment. we don't know what happened. >> to put this in perspective, a small army of children at home. >> much smaller. >> what do they weigh? 7 to 9 pounds? oh. >> 7 pounds is the average for a baby. and babies are often let's say around 14 pounds by six months. so he's bigger than your average 6-month-old at birth. and this is happening more and more because gestational diabetes is more and more common because obesity is more common. they're seeing this more and more, because of more obesity in this country. more women are getting gestat n gestational diabetes. they have to manage this, eight
pounds, that's fine. nine pounds, okay. 16? that baby was in some danger. >> that's quite large, too large. elizabeth cohen. >> extremely cute. >> adorable. little jamichael. >> yeah, little big jamichael. mobster whitey bulger's girlfriend is in court. what she's asking for from prosecutors after this. [ bell rings ] it's time for recess... and more pills. afternoon art starts and so does her knee pain, that's two more pills. almost done, but hang on... her doctor recommended aleve because it can relieve pain all day with just two pills. this is lisa... who switched to aleve and fewer pills for a day free of pain. and get the all day pain relief of aleve in liquid gels.
welcome back. shocking new developments in the scandal surrounding media mogul rupert murdoch. gordon brown now accusing journalists from across rupert murdoch's news international media group of illegally trying to obtain private information about his family, details about his bank accounts and phone
messages. these are the latest in the eavesdropping scandal that brought down murdoch's "news of the world" newspaper. it issued the last one sunday. hillary clinton will also attend the service for betty ford and will be accompanied by her husband, former president bill clinton. according to a family representative, there will be two services for the former first lady, one will take place tomorrow in california. the other will be on thursday in grand rapids, michigan. catherine green, the long-time girlfriend of james "whitey" bulger, is expected in court today. she wants to be released on bail while on trial for harboring a fugitive. they'll argue against releasing her because she is a flight risk. yesterday's women's soccer game between the u.s. and brazil produced a sports moment so amazing we wanted to show it to you again, just in case you
missed it. with the u.s. down in goal with the extra moments in time ticking away. meghan sidelines a grueling hail mary towards the box. they're miraculously headed it in to the goal to tie the game at two goals apiece. the u.s. went on to play on penalty kicks and will play france in the next round. a little celebration going on there. they came, they wooed, they charmed. the just concluded visit to california by prince william and his bride, catherine.
insurgents who are in turn attacking and killing american troops. panetta arrived in baghdad for his trip in pakistan. nice to see you. >> i'm away. you're away. >> we're here. >> anyway. let's talk about leon panetta. >> yeah. >> the old unannounced visit. it will be a mark -- one of the things that really pointing out is accusations of iran arming iraqi insurgents using the weapons, obviously, against u.s. troops. i've been there 11 times. they used to say this years ago, that the iranians were providing technology as the charges that were doing so much damage to u.s. armored vehicles. now they're talking about it being rockets and things like that, upping the ante in terms
of the weaponry. and leon panetta saying the u.s. won't stand for that. they'll protect the troops. last month was a bad month for u.s. troops. more than a dozen troops were kills in iraq. worst month in two years, exactly two years. >> is there a message here from iran as we start to pull -- as u.s. starts to pull troops out of iraq? they're supposed to be out by the end of this year? >> yeah, well, you know, iran had a lot of influence in iraq really for years now. it's one of the by-products of the war. before the war sat down and said, what would be a bad result from us going in there. this is the main ones. the iranians have influence over some of the major militias and political parties there. and a lot of analysts look at iraq and say we gave iran iraq. and so the message from iran is, yeah, we're supplying -- you know, they're obviously helping the insurgents, you know, attack the americans right down to the last day. they're still talking about whether panetta complained that the iraqis won't make up their mind whether they want the u.s.
to have a presence there for a little longer, when are they going to get a defense secretary. whether the government is organized a lot. a lot to work out in iraq. >> sounds that way. a lot to work out between the u.s. and pakistan. the troubled relationship getting more troubled. >> it is. >> by the u.s. cutting off military aid. >> $800 million worth. it's a third of the total package. and, you know, it all -- going to go right back to osama bin laden, i suppose, the killing of's olof osama bin laden and the feeling among many that the pakistan intelligence service must have known he was there. and they did a tit for tat. the pakistanis said to more than 100 u.s. military trainers, you've got to leave. when they left, they took all of the equipment with them. now a reduction in aid. it's going to cover a lot of various military items. >> will it mean anything? will it have any type of impact on pakistan? >> pakistan says no. they're saying we can handle whatever it is, but, you know, this is -- this is a very
important relationship, the u.s.-pakistan relation shi. -- relationship. it's in a very bad way. is it likely to completely unravel? no, the stakes are too high. but one of the things concerning the u.s. is we're bickering with the pakistanis and reducing aid, they're not helping us and they're not helping them. they're turning more to get help from china. they've had a lot more contact with china. the -- the whole issue is on that border. the border with afghanistan, waziristan, taliban, al qaeda, other troops are operating. >> pakistan will continue the fight, even without the $800 million in military aid, it will continue the fight against the militants. a lot of people are saying, where have you been until now? what fight is taking place at this point? >> it's true. it's a fair criticism. it's a fair criticism that the pakistanis haven't done enough in certain areas. you have to balance that by saying it's a very tough fight
for them as well. they've lost 30,000 troops fighting terror in their country. they've had numerous terror attacks. they're doing hard. it's not like it's sitting on their hands. there long has been, the continues to be things as that security services are helping some groups that are anti-u.s. the anti-u.s. sentiment in the company are not diminishing, but growing. >> i have to talk about the royals. >> it's your thing. >> prince william in california playing polo? i love this. >> he did well, he scored goals as well. i wonder if the defense was a little bit loose that day when you have royalty on the pony. yeah, he scored four goals. out there, went down to skid row and talked to some of the disadvantaged people in los angeles. did a little artwork with some of the kids. >> i love the fact that they went to -- catherine presented
the trophy after they played polo. >> yes, to her husband. >> she presented it, very nice, a tiffany trophy. but going back to skid row. you know that because homelessness was such a -- such an important thing to princess diana. >> yes, it was. >> and william -- did he sleep out on the streeps one night? >> he did. >> to show how important it was. >> exactly. it was a big thing for diana. and prince william has taken this on, the duke of cambridge has taken this on as well as his projects as well. it's -- she did remarkably too. you've got to feel for catherine, just throwing in here like this is her first major trip as the duchess. and did very well. i mean, she wasn't -- >> in her many fashions. >> she was. she wasn't required to speak much, which i think was the palace trying to introduce her slowly to this new and frenzied style of life. but everyone feeling in the british papers as i was reading this morning, great job. >> i love the fact that they
flew commercial back -- british airways. >> no pressure for the royals on the money side of thingings. people say they cost a lot of money. yes, they do that now. there's no royalty one. >> no. >> no. >> very good. nice to see you. >> good too see yue. >> thank you. nearly half of the workforce at a connecticut distribution center, believe it or not, is disabled. which company is pushing to integrate more people with disabilities in to the regular workforce, next. vietnam, 1967. i got mine in iraq, 2003. u.s.a.a. auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation, because it offers a superior level of protection and because u.s.a.a.'s commitment to serve the military, veterans, and their families is without equal. begin your legacy. get an auto insurance quote. u.s.a.a. we know what it means to serve.
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one company is seeking to include more diversity in the workforce. the focus is not just on ethnicity or race. walgreen's where persons with disabilities are making up more than 40% of the roster. why this company is dedicated to giving everyone an equal chance. >> with every box that's opened -- green button that's pressed, and every crate that's sorted, employees at this walgreen's distribution center in windsor, connecticut are breaking down barriers. just ask julie will yard. >> it's my dream to work here and it's okay to be yourself and it's okay to be deaf. and it's okay to have disabilities while you work. >> more than 40% of the people working here report having a disability. >> when you have autism like i have, it's tough to overcome
when you work. and when you get better at it, you pick up the pace and go from there. >> i may have a seizure that will cause me to fall back ward. >> this is something that you think has held you back in the past? >> yes, it has. >> the thing that makes this building different is that people are accepted. >> that's okay. >> everyone is working next to each other. 80% of this department is people of disabilities but you can't tell them one from the other. >> that's the point. >> this idea came out of something personal in your life? >> certainly. i have a son with autism who's now 23. >> for walgreen's randy lewis, what began as an experiment has been a revelation for the company which now plans to introduce lewis' program in its retail stores. >> we sell people with disabilities short. we think their abilities are like this, we found they're much broader. >> equality is at the core of walgreen's equal hiring policy.
equal pay, work, and equal expectations sometimes with a little help to make sure everyone can meet those expectations. >> if you look up here at this workstation, we have a picture of a cow. so this whole department is called the zoo. there's a station 11, but if i don't know numbers, 11 doesn't mean anything to me. so we name it the cow station as well. >> the special accommodations cost the company less than $25 per worker and lewis says workers with disabilities have fewer work place accidents, lower absenteeism, and lower turnover than people without disabilities. >> the people without disabilities who realize that we are a community, that we're part of something bigger. we're capitalists and we have to serve our shareholders but we have to serve each other and our community. >> alison kosick, cnn, windsor, connecticut. >> withholding $800 million in aid. a large message from washington to pakistan. is it too little, too late. our extreme team weighs in next.
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talking about the u.s. holding back $800 million in aid from pakistan. the move comes because the u.s. has reservations about the pakistani government and military's commitment to battling terrorism. but is this kind of punishment too little too late? after all, pack stab iskistan w country informed by the u.s. coming to get osama bin laden because the cia was afraid they'd tip them off. for more on the question and the future of the u.s.-pakistan relations, let's bring in the extreme team. on the team is peter bergen in islamabad. and fred townsend, cnn national security contributor and a member of both the cia and dhs external advisory committees. i'd like to start with you today. is the $800 million in military aid that the u.s. is now holding back, is this a big deal? >> it's a very big deal. it's a place where i think the administration, the obama administration didn't want to have to find themselves, frankly, because it does really do a great deal to hurt
relations. that said between not telling them about osama bin laden and the difficulty in the counterterrorism relationship, and most recently, admiral mullen's statements about pakistani involvement and the murder of the journalist, the administration found themselves without much choice. the problem is when you withhold this aid, you withhold support for activities you want them to take. so both countries are under pressure to try to find a way forward. >> does more need to be done here? or is it enough? >> oh, certainly more needs to be done. but we need pakistan -- you heard president obama say it. we need pakistan to help in terms of our regional problems, including in afghanistan. but we need their help against the hakani network, the pakistani taliban, as well as al qaeda in the tribal regions. so this is going to be a part of the long laundry list on both sides of grievances they want and they want to address. >> is this a major change, do you think, in the relationship between pakistan and the u.s.?
or do you see this as maybe just a blip on the radar? >> i don't think it's a blip on the radar. we've had a steadily worsening u.s.-pakistani relationship that began at the beginning of this year with the cia contractor shooting two pakistanis in a pakistani city that was compounded by a lot of pakistani pushback on the ramped up american drone program in pakistan and not getting the heads up on the osama bin laden raid. and, so, you know, but while there's been hard words, this is the first time it's been an action by the united states withholding this aid, which, by the way, as fran points out, this is not -- it's not aid per se, this is reimbursement for military activities they're undertaking which we want them to undertake. we, the united states, want them to undertake. it's not like this is a handout. but the fact that this is being held up is more than a blip. >> and do you think, peter, it's
too little, too late? >> well, i mean actually i think quite the reverse. i mean as fran should have indicated, no one wants to be in this situation. we don't want to go back to a situation that existed in 19 1999 -- 1990 when the u.s. inflicted sanctions on pakistan. that was a beginning of the rocky relationship with pakis n pakistan. pakistanis remember that very well. we don't want to get ahead of what is already happening. this is a relationship both countries need. >> there's some concern about who could benefit from this. who would you say has the most to gain from a breakdown in u.s.-pakistan cooperation? >> randi, no question, the people who benefit are al qaeda and the pakistani taliban and the hakani network. those troops in the tribal areas that don't really recognize the
control of pakistan and trying to harm the united states and u.s. interest both in the united states and by the way afghanistan. the people who benefit are the extremists. which is why, as peter said, both sides, pakistan and the united states, want to find their way out of this problem. >> peter, you want to add to that? >> no, i mean that's exactly right. the point of this money is to reinvest the pakistani military going off to the taliban which they're going right now in the pakistani tribal regions. if they're not being paid, they're going to stop doing this. >> how would it affect u.s. anti-terrorism efforts in the future? >> it's not good, if it continues. my guess is we -- this is too big to fail for both sides. united states cannot -- wants to help pakistan doing the military operations in the tribal regions. if there's a pause in the operations for a significant period of time, as fran has
indicated, it has significant effects on the military activity in eastern afghanistan, southern afghanistan, right at the same time that the united states is beginning to withdraw troops. that's not a situation that any military commander or commander in chief wants to be in. >> all right, peter bergen, fran townsend, thank you for discussing this hot topic with us. appreciate it. time now for a cnn political update. cnn senior political editor mark preston joining me live from washington. mark, we are hearing a new assessment today from rick santorum on the presidential campaign? can you bring us up to date? >> i sure can, randi. you know, there's an old strategy in politics to try to lower expectations. but i'm going to tell you what, rick santorum lowered them to the bottom yesterday in the state of the union with can't yi crowley. in fact, this is what you have to say about the iowa straw poll that will take place in august. he says if he places fourth, fifth, or sixth, that will be an
improvement and that will show some momentum as he tries to pursue the republican presidential nomination. that's far down. look at the quote regarding his campaign. he compares himself to that children's book, "the little engine that could" and he said that's what the campaign is right now. he's meeting with activist, he's meeting with republican primary voters. he said that he hasn't raised a whole lot of money that you would expect a presidential candidate should. in fact, he said, when he reports his numbers which will be this week, it will be less than $2 million. rick santorum, randy, is focusing on trying to get the social conservative voters to back theed by, the voters who make up the iowa caucuses is lowering the expectations for the iowa straw poll. randi? >> it sounds that way. all right, mark. thank you very much. and the next update from the best political team on television is just an hour away. the atlanta school's cheating scandal is now reaching in to texas. i'll tell you how in my x, y, z.
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the atlanta journal constitution newspaper says augustine through her attorney has denied the cheating allegations and said she made the folks in dallas aware of the ongoing investigation at the time. but tonight, the de soto school board has on its agenda the possible termination of their brand new superintendent. some parents are so angry that they're promising there will be protests if augustine lasts beyond today. augustine, who is a doctor at harvard university was apparently recommended for a national search firm. he's set to be paid $180,000 a year for her new job. the school board stands by the decision to hire her saying she's both talented and qualified and the board was aware of the cheating allegation in atlanta but had no idea when augustine was hired that she'd be named in the probably. we'll see what happens in the school board meeting tonight. it could get ugly. we'll continue to watch it. cnn continues now with brooke baldwin. >> greatha