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i'd of said... i'd of said you're dreaming. dreaming! definitely dreaming. then again, dreaming is how i got this far. now more businesses in more places can afford to dream gig. comcast, building america's largest gig-speed network. good morning, everyone. john berman here. we have breaking news, an unexpected development. any moment now a federal court hearing to begin regarding donald trump's personal lawyer, the president's personal lawyer, michael cohen. this is the first federal court hearing related to the fbi raid, the search of michael cohen's home, hotel and office this week. we just learned about this hearing overnight. shimon prokupecz live outside the court with the details on
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this. what have you learned? >> reporter: that's right, john. we learned late last night that the attorneys for michael cohen filed this motion. they're essentially asking a judge to not allow the government to use any of the evidence that they recovered in the search warrant on his home, on his office, and then in this hotel he's been staying at. they're trying to get ahead of it, basically here, and this motion, we're expected will be unsealed we think today or may take a few days. but this hearing is supposed to get under way around 10:30 and arguments from michael cohen's attorney explaining why the federal government should not use any of this evidence, perhaps in a grand jury proceeding or in anticipation of any criminal charges that could be filed in this case. now, as to michael cohen, we expect certainly the court staff does expect him to appear. but we have not able to confirm with him or his attorneys that he's actually going to show up. that's a mystery here. but certainly, you know, plenty of news cameras here, other folks here waiting in
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anticipation to see exactly what is going to happen today. we may or may not get a ruling from the judge today. that's all still unclear, but certainly we'll get that news to you, we expect this to get under way around 10:30. >> 10:30, we'll let you get into that courtroom now. what is said out loud in there could be our first best indication of what these searches maybe all mean. thank you. appreciate it. the other major breaking news this morning, this unprecedented battle that is playing out before our eyes over just the last few hours. the dispute between the fired fbi director james comey and the president of the united states. this war is now a dirty war. the fired fbi director james comey is talking for the first time this morning about the unverified, salacious information that was in that dossier that he discussed with then president elect trump back in 2017. the allegation that russian
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authorities recorded donald trump watching prostitutes urinate on each other in a moscow hotel suite this . this is what james comey had to say about this a little while ago. >> i said to him, sir, when he started talking about it, i may order you to investigate that, i said, sir, that's up to you, but you want to be careful about that because it might create a narrative that we're investigating you personally and, second, it is very difficult to prove something didn't happen. >> did you believe his denial? >> honestly never thought these words would come out of my mouth, but i don't know whether the current president of the united states was with prostitutes peeing on each other in moscow in 2013. it is possible but i don't know. >> one of the more extraordinary statements you'll hear from a senior former government official. did not take long for the president to respond and respond in anger. he called on james comey a leaker and a liar, which is ironic given other developments we'll talk about in a second. he also called comey weak and an
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untruthful slime ball. we'll have much more on that in just a moment. first, cnn's evan perez joins you right now on this very busy morning, evan. as we hear for the first time, again in his own words out loud, james comey with some of the answers and details in his book. >> this book is coming out next tuesday, but already pieces of it have leaked out in news accounts and "good morning america" playing some of that interview. it appears comey is going a lot further in that interview and perhaps than what he said in the book, which is called "a higher loyalty ." i think the idea of this book was to talk about leadership and loyalty, but clearly there is some score settling happening here between the former fbi director and the president of the united states. let me set the scene a little bit to january 2017, when comey and the intelligence community chiefs go to brief the incoming president about threats facing
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the nation and, of course, comey pulls him aside later at the end of the briefing and tells him about this now infamous russia dossier and the details of this golden showers incident contained in the dossier. here is how comey describes what happened. >> i started to tell him about the allegation was that he had been involved with prostitutes in a hotel in moscow in 2013 during a visit for the miss universe pageant and that the russians had filmed the episode. and he interrupted very defensively and started talking about it, do i look like a guy who needs hookers and i assumed he was asking that rhetorically, i moved on and said, sir, i'm not saying we credit it or believe it, but we thought it important that you know. >> did you tell him you thought it wasn't true or didn't know if it was true or not? >> i never said i don't believe it, because i couldn't say one way or another.
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>> how weird was that briefing? >> really weird. it was almost an out of body experience for me, i was floating above myself looking down saying, you're sitting here briefing the incoming president of the united states about prostitutes in moscow. >> and, john, that briefing that he had one on one with the incoming president changed everything about the relationship. trump has said in interviews that he thought comey was trying to shake him down. comey has obviously a different recollection of how the events went about in their multiple interactions and, john, i guess this book is going to be a hot seller when it finally comes out on tuesday. >> we will see. evan perez, thank you very much for the details. thank you for that. the white house wasn't going to respond directly to this. the president wasn't going to respond directly to this. this all changed this morning perhaps after hearing james comey speak for himself. kaitlan collins at the white house with what the president has been saying. >> reporter: i think it is a pretty much a surprise to no one that the president has responded
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to james comey in this book, that paints the president in a very unflattering light to say the least. and the president, of course, responding on twitter this morning saying that james comey is a proven liar and leaker, he calls him an untruthful slime ball and the most notable line from his criticism of james comey is the last sentence when he says, it was my great honor to fire james comey. of course, john, we know that firing of james comey nearly a year ago is something that the special counsel robert mueller is looking at in the way, the circumstances of which he was fired and also, of course, the firing of james comey is what led to the appointment of the special counsel, something that plagued the president for months now. we're seeing the president fire back, not just the president, though, also his press secretary sarah sanders who is hitting comey for his credibility or lack thereof. she said also kellyanne conway saying to her comey seems more like a disgruntled ex-employee. >> we find that mr. comey has a
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revisionist view of history and seems luke a disgruntled ex-employee. he was fired. not as if he came to the conclusions in his book while he was on the job as fbi director, in the presence, in the company of the president and said, you know, i just must resign, i can't deal with this anymore, i must resign. >> reporter: so, john, we're witnessing this stunning battle between the current president and the former fbi director who he fired and we know that we have not heard the last of james comey, of course, his book hasn't officially come out yet. he has a whole book tour to do, several interviews and very strong suspicion we have not heard the last from the president on this yet either, john. >> a shrewd prediction. kaitlan collins at the white house, thank you very much. joining me now, former fbi special agent asha rangappa and robby mook. we' also with us alice stewart.
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there is maybe some more substance in what he has to say specifically about how the president elect's team, the incoming white house was responding to the details and the facts behind russian meddling in the election. listen. >> president trump's first question was to confirm that it had no impact on the election. and then the conversation, to my surprise, moved into a pr conversation about how the trump team would position this and what they could say about this. they actually started talking about drafting a press release with us still sitting there, and the reason that was so striking to me is that that is just not done, that the intelligence community does intelligence, the white house does pr, and spin. >> you also said you were struck by what they didn't ask. >> very much. no one to my recollection asked so what -- what is coming next from the russians?
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how might we stop it? what does the future look like? it was all what can we say about what we did and how it affects the election we just had. >> asha rangappa, as you listen to james comey and read all the excerpts that have come out, what do you think is behind what he's saying? what is his driving message here? >> the driving message is that the president didn't react the way that you would imagine the commander in chief who is in charge of protecting the country from foreign attacks would react upon learning that a hostile foreign power is claiming to have -- potentially is claiming to have leverage over the president and has also interfered with the election. someone who is in that position would clearly be furious that russia was trying to exercise that kind of power and had already interfered and is, i think, as comey said, would be
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asking a lot of follow-up questions on what needs to be done to counter that threat. that doesn't seem to be what the response was from the president. >> overall, when you take this bit combined with, i think, the way that james comey writes, some of the other details here, the message seems to be that james comey thinks that donald trump isn't worthy of the office of the presidency and i think that may be the message that donald trump is getting from it, based on his response this morning. what do you make, alice, of the phrase weak and unworthy slime ball? >> that is the president's way of getting back and in my view from a communications standpoint, he should have stayed out of it. he shouldn't have responded. he shouldn't have taken the bait when he saw comey on television this morning. because what that does, it sets him and his team and his communications staff up to a situation where they have to respond. if he's going to call james comey a liar and a leaker, they're going to -- that opens the door for reporters to say
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what he lying about? did these things happen? did the allegations you were concerned with making sure that melania believed you about, did any of that happen? so he, unfortunately, another self-inflicted wound by weighing in. while we're talking about the salacious details, what we're hearing in the experiments i read and have seen, i believe james comey's overall take is he has concerns about this president's ability to run based on the consequences that he has set up for telling the truth, for forcing people to be loyal to him as opposed to the truth, and he personally took issue with the president encouraging him to drop the investigation against michael flynn. so there is a lot of angst by comey in writing this, but he has some points that he wanted to get out for sure. >> you bring up this subject of angst, there is a legitimate question of did james comey, in order to make the point he wants to make about the president's worthiness or fitness for office, does he need to say all the things he said in the book,
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whether about the size of his hands or his height or this morning, again, talking about the salacious details in the tape, and he brought up the president's wife. listen to that part right here, if you can. >> he said, you know if there is even 1% chance thinks my wife that's true, that's terrible. and i remember thinking, how could you wife think there is a 1% chance you were with prostitutes peeing on each other in moscow. i'm a flawed human being, but literally zero chance that my wife would think that was true, so what kind of marriage, what kind of man does your wife think there is only a 99% chance you didn't do that? >> how do you assess james comey's choice to say that in that way? >> far be it for me to read into james comey's inner thinking here. he has an interesting line to walk. on the one hand, i think it is
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important for people to call out donald trump for the things he does. and certainly there are some revelations in this book about things that were totally inappropriate. unfortunately not surprising, because this president seems to do things that are wholly inappropriate every single day. but i think where comey needs to be careful is not to give the white house an out, to make this a personal spat or a disgruntled employee. instead of a bigger issue about how fit this man is to serve in office. and, you know, i agree that -- i think the -- i think trump's tweet this morning was a mistake. this is a mistake he makes all the time. but i just would caution -- there is an important investigation happening that robert mueller is leading. that investigation is based on facts. i think it has been very credibly conducted thus far. there are numerous revelations regarding that investigation coming today, seems every hour. i would want to let those things
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be the spotlight and not james comey and what kind of an employee he was. >> all right. asha, i want to get this question to you, a little bit of a left turn here, but we are learning that the president might be about to pardon scooter libby. louis libby, the chief of staff for dick cheney in the bush white house, convicted of perjury, obstructing justice, lying to investigators, having to do with the leaking of the identity of valerie plame, a then cia operative. he may pardon scooter libby today. is there irony in the fact that he will pardon scooter l eer li perhaps shortly on the same day and the same time he's accusing james comey of being a liar and a leaker? >> it is the ultimate irony, john. the president tweeted that comey is a liar and leaker and leaked classified information. and needs to be prosecuted and that's pretty much what happened with scooter libby. he had interactions with various journalists in which he
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discussed valerie plame, who was a cia operative, and then he lied about it and obstructed justice and, you know, those are the kinds of conversations he even suggested made andrew mccabe, you know, his talking to jour journalists, for example, an unfit employee. he's leveling allegations against people and now turning around and actually pardoning someone for that same behavior. but i think that this is supposed to be a slap at comey, i guess, because comey did hire -- or point the special prosecutor who investigated libby. >> and there is that angle also, the possible angle he's sending a message about how he feels about people being investigated. thank you very much. much more to come with you in a little bit. we continue to follow breaking news this morning, a whole lot of it. more on the new book from james comey, including his thoughts on the clinton campaign and his fear of making her an illegitimate president. what does robby mook think about
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that? and we're minutes away from a hearing related to the fbi raids on donald trump's personal attorney michael cohen. also, we're following the latest developments out of the united nations, security council meeting happening right now. you're looking at live pictures from this meeting. u.s. ambassador to the u.n. nikki haley expected to speak shortly. stay with us.
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happening right before our eyes, the white house versus james comey. james comey versus the white house. the fired fbi director calling the president unethical and untethered to the truth. the president calling james comey an untruthful slime ball. his words. here to discuss democratic congressman denny heck of washington. thank you for being with us. i have to ask you to play ref
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this morning a little bit. the president of the united states calls the fired fbi director an untruthful slime ball, your reaction? >> the president had one play in his playbook all along, vicious name calling, insults, ad homonym. i don't think it worked that well for him. but i think we can all fully predict that's how he's going to respond to the slightest of criticism. >> you say the slightest of criticism. i think it is fair to say that james comey book, what we read of it, and what we heard from him goes beyond the slightest criticism, wouldn't you say? >> well, i agree entirely. listen, john, i read a few excerpts from director comey's book. i may or may not get around to reading it. i don't think anything he says in his book will be as important as what he said on march 20th, 2017, before the house intelligence committee, when i asked him personally why is it americans should care about russian interference in our elections. and he quite eloquently descr e
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described how it is that america troeft of t rest of the world is the shining city on the hill and how we have to stand for free, fair, open elections that are conducted with integrity and ruled by law and that's what is at stake here. not just for america, but for all western democracies. that's the most important thing jim comey ever said. >> that discussion with you may have been at a higher level than talking about the salacious details in the unverified dossier or talking about the size of the president's hands or talking about the white circles he sees under his eyes. do you think that the -- hang on, do you think he hurts his case, do you think he hurts his case? >> what i think, john, is that it is unfair to judge a book you haven't read yet on the basis of a few granted salacious excerpts. i've read -- i think the book should be evaluated in its entirety. >> evaluate james comey for what he said in his own words this morning on "good morning america" when asked about the details of that tape.
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he really went out of his way to say, you know what, maybe i do believe them. >> maybe i do believe what? >> he was asked about the salacious details in the dossier. >> oh, right, right. >> and, you know -- >> well, john, we're talking about christopher steele who had been a reliable and trustworthy confident and informant for the fbi over some period of time. it is not unreasonable for the director to have concluded there was some degree of reliability for that information. >> do you think it is reliable? do you believe it? do you think that incident happened? >> i have no basis for judging other than that which is available in open sources. christopher steele, taken as a whole, is a fairly reliable source of information, whether or not in each and every detail that is accurate, that's not what an intelligent assessment is supposed to represent. >> all right, we have also learned, and this is separate but related, certainly to all of this, that the white house has been preparing talking points to discredit rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general of the united states who was overseeing
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the mueller investigation right now. what is your reaction to that? how real is the threat, do you think that the president would fire rosenstein? >> well, the air is filled with that rumor and the nation's capital, let me tell you, john. and if, in fact, he fires rod rosenstein and it is -- it proves out to be a predicate for either curtailing or firing director mueller himself, then frankly you can conclude it as nothing other than obstruction of justice. >> obstruction of justice. you said last night that the president should resign. do you think it is fair, republicans are suggesting, look, the democrats take the house, it will lead to certain impeachment. is that your fair assessment? >> let me tell you this, those of us of a certain age remember what happened the last time since the tapes were reviewed. you can trace the resignation of dick nixon to the exact moment in time in the hearing when it was revealed there were tapes
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being kept in the white house. now, we have fairly reliable sources of information that michael cohen had tapes. we don't yet know what is on them. but this is only getting worse for the president. this is not going in a good direction. and it is not going to abate, john. >> you say fairly reliable information. do you have information beyond what we have already read in the media? do you have independent information that tapes -- that michael cohen has tapes? >> i have no independent information as to what is on the tapes? >> do you have information that tapes exist? >> i have information that i deem to be fairly reliable, but not with 100% confidence. >> can you give us the nature of that information? >> no, sir. >> all right. congressman denny heck of washington, we do appreciate your time. i have a sense we'll be talking to you a lot in the near future, sir. >> thank you, john. all right, we're just moments away from the federal court hearing related to the fbi search of president trump's personal attorney michael cohen.
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closer or if donald trump were ahead in the polls. but i don't know, he says. back with us, cnn political commentator and former hillary clinton campaign manager robby mook and republican strategist alice stewart. james comey also writes of hillary clinton, i read she felt anger toward me personally and i'm sorry for that. i'm sorry that i couldn't do a better job explaining to her and her supporters why i made the decisions i made. he says he's sorry for that. apology accepted? >> well, i'm glad that he acknowledged in the book -- i haven't read it yet, just seeing what you had on the screen, i'm glad he acknowledged -- it sounds like he acknowledges in the book that his decision was based on politics. and i think there is a really important lesson out of here, a lot about president trump in that book and we need to pay attention to that. i also think we need to take away from this. the fbi should not be in the business of making political calculations.
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and i'm glad that comey admitted in the book this was a political calculation. and one, by the way, i think caused a lot of mistakes across the board. myself included and on the campaign, i think a lot of things happen because everybody thought hillary was likely to win. i think those things added up to, you know, to the result we have. i -- to be honest with you, my understanding is there say lot about leadership in the book. i wish that mr. comey reflected a little bit more deeply. maybe called what he did a mistake because i think it was. and, again, particularly because he talked so much about how important it is to follow the rules and follow the law, there were really clear rules in place that he shouldn't have done what he did. and chose to break them. and, apparently did that based on politics. so what matters is the lesson is out there, i hope it is learned. i hope that people at the fbi internalize that and i'm glad it is in the book. >> not to split hairs here, don't think he directly says he
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made the decision based on politics. he doesn't rule it out. and i know that might be -- in literal terms, i want to know because, again, i know you haven't read the book but you've seen the excerpts now, i'm sure since last night. when you see him talk about things like this, how does it feel to see it? >> you know, there is a lot that all of us could have done differently, myself included. i certainly wish comey had done this differently. i'm not -- i'm not angry. i'm not bitter. because there is nothing we can do to change the past. we have to focus on the future. so like i said, i'm glad that he is open about what his motivations were. i wish he would maybe be a little bit more forth right that this was a political calculation and that that probably wasn't -- that definitely wasn't something that someone at the fbi should be doing.
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you know, and frankly there is so much else in that book, so much else swirling outside, i'm a little more concerned for the country than worried about 2016. >> go ahead, alice. >> i do think this was a terrible mistake for comey to come out and announce this investigation. there is standard doj policy that says you're not supposed to publicly comment on an investigation 60 days out of an election. so it was a mistake. that being said, if we go back in time and we think what else was going on, donald trump was facing the fallout of the disgusting "access hollywood" tape, he had battles he was fighting, i truly believe comey did this or not, trump would have still won the presidency. he was the one that connected with the people, he campaigned, he went to the right states, he had the right message, and he won the election. i think it will be easy for democrats to blame a lot of this on comey who made a terrible mistake, but there were extenuating factors that helped the president win this and a large part of it was the fact he
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was able to connect with the people. but it will be easy to point the finger at comey based on what he has acknowledged in the book. >> there is another episode that james comey writes about, i guess related to this, where he talks about a meeting we hadn't known about previously with president obama after the election and president obama apparently told james comey this, i picked you to be fbi director because of your integrity and your ability. i want you to know that nothing, nothing has happened in the last year to change my view. if you read the excerpts, alice, you know, it is clear that james comey seemed to have a higher opinion of barack obama than he does of donald trump. >> sure. and i'm sure therapeutic for him to hear that from the president and he needed to hear that and of course he was going to include this in the book. however, you go back to the litany of democrats who don't share that view and called for the resignation from pelosi to sanders, harry reid, all of them, were extremely frustrated.
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it is important i'm sure for comey to hear that and certainly include that in the book. >> reassuring for james comey, ro robby, reassuring for you? >> to be honest with you, i want to hear from the president, former president of the united states what he said. comey gets to say whatever he wants in the book. look, i think this gets back to there is always a question of what is the purpose of the book and what role are they playing now? i hope the purpose this book serves now is to provide us lessons on what director copy did, why it shouldn't have happened, and on our current president. and his judgment. i hope this doesn't become, you know, a whole back and forth about james comey and how great or how not great he is. he's not in that job anymore. what matters is what we're doing moving forward. and, you know, i just hope in his interviews over the next few days he keeps us focused on where we need to be, which is
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the country and not him. >> he talks a great deal about presidential leadership and what he thinks is lacking. and that is the overall thrust of his book. we'll see much more about that i'm sure in the coming days. thank you for being with us. appreciate your candor on a tough subject for you, i'm sure, this morning. a lot of breaking news. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ this is what getting your car serviced at lincoln looks like. complementary pickup and delivery servicing now comes with every new lincoln. i won. giving you, the luxury of time. that's the lincoln way.
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looking at live pictures from the u.n. security council, a meeting happening now. moments ago we heard from the u.s. ambassador to the united nations, nikki haley, who had some strong, strong words from both syria and russia. listen. >> now that we have established what we all agree on, let's ask ourselves what should we be condemning today? we should be discussing the actions that really brought us to this moment in time. we should not be condemning the country or group of countries that might actually have the courage to stand up in defense of our common principle, the
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principle against the use of chemical weapons. instead, we should be condemning the country that unilaterally has stopped the security council from upholding this principle. who is it on the council that most exhibits unilateralism when it comes to chemical weapons? it is russia alone that has stopped at nothing to defend the syrian regime's multiple uses of chemical weapons. it is russia alone that killed the joint investigative mechanism which allowed the world to ensure accountability for chemical weapons use in syria. it is russia alone that used its veto six times to prevent the condemnation of assad's use of chemical weapons. it is russia alone that used its veto 12 times to protect the assad regime. and to make matters worse, it is russia alone that had agreed to
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be the guarantor of the removal of all chemical weapons in syria. if russia had lived up to its commitment, there would be no chemical weapons in syria. and we would not be here today. that is the russian record of unilateralism. it is a record that has led to the trashing of all international standards against the use of chemical weapons. this meeting should not be about the so-called unilateral threats, it should be about the multiple actions russia has taken to bring us to this point. our president has not yet made a decision about possible actions in syria. but should the united states and our allies decide to act in syria, it will be in defense of a principle on which we all agree, it will be in defense of a bedrock international norm that benefits all nations.
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let's be clear, assad's most recent use of poison gas against the people of douma was not his first, second, third or even 49th use of chemical weapons. the united states estimates that assad has used chemical weapons in the syrian war at least 50 times. public estimates are as high as 200. in the weeks after assad's sarin gas attack last april that killed nearly 100 people, including many children, the regime used chlorine gas at least once and possibly as many as three times in the same area. last november, just as the joint investigative mechanism mandate expired, the regime attacked its people with sarin again in the damascus suburbs. in january, assad used at least
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four chlorine-filled rockets in douma and then he struck again last weekend. and thanks to russia there was no u.n. body to determine blame. but we know who did this. our allies know who did this. russia can complain all at once about fake news. but no one is buying its lies and cover-ups. >> here with me now, cnn military and diplomatic analyst, retired rear admiral john kirby. remarkable statement from the u.s. ambassador to the united nations saying russia alone is responsible for allowing syria to conduct these actions it has, the chemical attacks against its own people. your reaction? >> i completely agree. i thought that was a brilliant statement by ambassador haley. very well done, very well put, lots defend tail and c s of det there. assad is the one who is flying helicopters, dropping the barrel bombs of chlorine, no doubt about it. but he wouldn't be able to do
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that if he didn't have the backing of the russian government which has been aiding him, fueling his aircraft, giving him intelligence, giving him targeting analysis, and actually flying missions in support on their own. so to crush the rebellion. she's right. very well put. >> one of the statements she made there at the end was the president has not yet made a decision about military action in syria right now. what do you think is taking so long? one year ago, the military response was within 60 hours. we're already twice past -- past twice that point now. >> i think there is an honest debate going on about the evidence. i know the french have said there is evidence and cnn's reporting that some u.s. officials claim there is evidence. but i'm not really sure where they are on that and how firm and solid they want that evidence to be of the use of chemical agents before they strike. number two, i think -- probably not so much today, john, but in
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the previous few days, i think there was definitely a need to slow down to make sure that the allies, in this case the british and the french, had all their domestic ducks in a row and they politically were able to act and in conjunction with us and also that militarily they're planning an operational readiness at an appropriate level. number three, this is the big one in my view, i suspect that the -- certainly the pentagon leadership wants to make sure that the president understands the ramifications of the strike and the risk of a potential greater provocation with russia and with iran as a result of a strike. if it is true that he wants something a little bit more robust than he did a year ago, the opportunity to do that actually sort of thins because the russians and syrians had a lot of time to prepare. >> we will be watching very closely what goes on at white house today. and the united nations. ed amir kits admiral kirby, thank you for being with us. the first hearing concerning the searches on president
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lawyers for president trump's personal attorney michael cohen, we believe, are scheduled to be in federal court at this moment about the fbi searches of cohen's home, hotel and office this week. the hearing, we believe, is about a restraining order that cohen has filed that essentially is asking a judge to not allow the government to use any of the evidence that they recovered in
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these searches. what we don't know is what the fbi exactly might have found. and one of the big questions this morning is does the fbi have in its possession as we speak recorded conversations between michael cohen, campaign staff associates of the president and perhaps the president himself? joining me now, paul callan. a lot of ground to cover here. let's talk about this hearing which is scheduled to be under way now. we could be learning details, first hard details about the searches and what they might have. what do you make of this hearing? >> first, i would expect this would be a closed door hearing because generally until all of the items have been inventoried and formally returned in the form of a report to the court you don't have an open court discussion of it. this is of such enormous public importance. remember, cohen is the personal counsel to the president of the united states. and the way we tend to conduct our business, sometimes we're talking about personal things with our lawyer, but work might get involved in the discussion,
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so the president may have a very big interest in making sure that none of the material that has a bearing on him gets publicly released. >> michael cohen is the attorney for donald trump, which i think independent of him being the president of the united states i don't know whether that will be of legal significance. that's something that may go up to a higher court to be sure, paul callan. this issue of recordings. cnn and others reporting overnight that friends of michael cohen, associates of him, say this is a guy who liked to tape phone conversations, had recordings of conversations. an audio recording is an astounding piece of evidence in an investigation. >> yes, it is. it is a very important piece of evidence and new york, unlike a lot of other states, allows you to record conversations of other people without telling them. i will add one other thing, though, it is considered unethical for a lawyer to do so. and you can be disbarred. but if you're not a lawyer, you can record your conversations in new york and it is perfectly legal.
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>> what if you're a lawyer not acting as an attorney. michael cohen acting as an associate of the president, talking campaign, but not on a legal basis, still ethical? >> that's a tough question. where is the line drawn between him being a lawyer and not a lawyer. you're kind of a lawyer all the time. >> the merits of this hearing we believe is under way right now are restraining order, the fbi presumably had to give probable cause, had to go to a judge already to conduct the searches. >> it is a very complicated question. i would find it hard to believe that the judge who is having the hearing today would overrule in some way a prior judge's determination that there was probable cause to seize these items. but on the other hand, because the president of the united states is clearly implicated and involved, this is a case that could go up to the second circuit court of appeals and who knows, even the supreme court of the united states. it is an important issue here about possible presidential papers. >> very clearly, very quickly,
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paul, there is a criminal investigation that now involves michael cohen that has to do with the raids. there is also the civil litigation michael avenatti, and stormy daniels, filed against him where michael cohen is apparently asking for a delay or for this to be put off because of the criminal investigation. do you think the stormy thing, the civil case now goes on the back burner? >> i think there is a good chance it will. cohen in his papers has asserted that there may be an overlap, he may be asserting the fifth amendment, and he can't even speak in open court about the case. so the judge may look at it and say, you know, how can we proceed, and, by the way, maybe the fbi has the critical documents in the california case. so i think there are a lot of good reasons to postpone the civil litigation in california. >> paul callan, great to have you with us, thank you very much. other breaking news, this full blown knockout fight, james comey hits president trump, president trump calls james comey an untruthful slime ball. all the developments next.
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hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan, breaking news. the president's personal attorney is taking his case to court and taking the fight to the fbi. his attorney is trying to quash the evidence gathered in that early morning fbi raid of his office, home and hotel room this week. michael cohen's legal team is in federal court seeking a temporary restraining order. the search, though, is already offering up something of a new bombshell. we're now learning from sources to tell cnn cohen routinely recorded phone conversations and trump allies are worried those


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