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secret talks, manafort is denying he met multiple times with wikileaks july an assange. is robert mueller looking into that as he declares manafort's plea deal is dead. discredited mueller. the president goes on a rant accusing him of so doing tremendous damage. is mr. trump worried about something big about to happen? anti-semitism in europe and germany, why is it making a comeback so many decades after hitler and the holocaust. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. are you in "the situation room." [ music playing ] >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> we are following breaking news on robert mueller's probe of possible collusion between
the trump campaign and russia. tonight, cnn has obtained draft court filings by mueller's office. they give new insight what he knows about trump ally roger stone and his alleged effort to get information about wikileaks and campaign e-mails stolen by the russian intelligence service. stand by for details. this as the "guardian" newspaper is reporting paul manafort held three secret meetings with wikileaks founder july can assange, around the time he became the trump campaign chairman. manafort is denying that. but there is no denying he is now in new legal limbo. tonight, now that mueller has called off his plea deal. i'll talk about all of that when a top democrat, senator dick durbin and our correspondents and analysts are also standing by. first, let's go to cnn political correspondent, sarah murray. tell us about these draft offices.
they are a part of the plea deal with jerome corecy. >> reporter: he shared these documents. it gives us a legal window that jerome corsi is in for lying. it gives you a potential e-mail case he can build against roger stone. they show messages between jerome ycorsi -- corsi and the role he play have played in intel. if you look at one of these e-mails from july of 2016, organization one in this is wikileaks. so roger stone is writing get to julian assange, the founder of wikileaks and ecuadorean embassy in london and they refer to the clinton foundation. so fast forward to august 2nd of
2016 and jerome corsi sends an e-mail to roger stone. word is friend in embassy plans two more dumps. one shortly after i'm back. 2nd in october. impact planned to be very damaging. and it's a part of the reason that investigators were wondering where corsi had some kind of connection to wikileaks or was in touch with assange. corsi intistsisinsists he didn'. roger stone says he never got a chance to look at what wikileaks was going to release. what was corsi's role that roger stone put out that has become quite famous in august of 2016, stone predicts it will be the podesta time in a barrel. he gave public cover for that tweet. he said he dade research document. >> that itself what the tweet was based off of. i talked to him today, he said
in actuality, the tweet came first. my research came after. that here's how he explains it. >> political campaigns frequently determine alternative information for clients. i was doing that. is it lying? yeah, it's lying. it's pretty normal practice in politics. >> so there you have him saying roger stone was concerned about how the tweet would be taken. could his friend jerome corsi provide research to back? he insisted it was about the podesta brothers dealing business. wolf. >> john podesta obtained the e-mails the same day when "access hollywood" donald trump is talk about groping women among other things. what does corsi know about the timing of this? >> reporter: this is a thing, jerome corsi has book coming out. he wrote in it with
investigators and the grand jury, he conif irmd that account when i spoke to him. he said roger stone seemed to know this tape was coming, it was damaging, they needed to do something to mitigate the fallout. he reached out to jerome corsi. here's what he said. >> we get to october 7, which was a very, very busy day for me here in new york. and roger calls me three times. we have three times we have a discussion. now, my recollection is that roger is saying, you know, this is going to be dropped and assange better get going. why don't get to your buddy assange and tell him to start? well, i didn't have any contact with assange, roger, going back to july and august may have, i may have led him on. >> now, corsi suggested these conversations were hours before the tape was released publicly. roger stone is vehemently
denying all of this. in a statement to cnn, he says it is pure unadulterated bs. why would i ask him to contact assange, who even today he does not know logical or true. so, wolf, this is what investigators are still sifting through, a reminder. still no charges against jerome corsi. still no charges against roger stone. >> thank you, sarah murray, for reporting. now to the breaking news that paul manafort, bombshell report he held secret meetings with the wikileaks investigation tonight. jessica snyder is here with us. this new report, it potentially is very explosive despite the denials. >> a lot is swirling. first, robert mueller's team, they accused manafort of lying ending this plea deal in the works two months now. of course, the "guardian" issued
that explosive report that manafort met with assange multiple times him paul manafort and wikileaks have issued strong denials. any connection can be a major development into special counsel's probe into collusion. tonight, a secret report between wikileaks paul assange and john manafort. the "guardian" says he traveled to the ecuadorean embassy in london to meet with assange in 2016 and one meeting around march, 2016. the same month manafort joined the trump campaign. cnn has not confirmed the newspaper's reporting and it is unclear why he wanted to see assange and what was discussed. the news outlet base it in part on an intelligence document that lists paul manafort as a well known guest at the embassy, but manafort's visits were reportedly not officially logged. cnn has learned the special
counsel has been investigating a meeting between manafort in cuito in 2017 and asked if wikileaks or assange were discussed in that meeting. assange has been holed up at the embassy since he was granted political asylum in 2012. in the months leading up to the election, assange's wikileaks hosted hacked e-mails from the campaign. >> we had e-mails related to the hillary clinton campaign. >> reporter: russian intelligence officers allegedly hacked party computers beginning in march, 2016, according to an indictment filed by the special counsel. a few months later, prosecutors say wikileaks reached out to a persona known as guccifer 2.0. >> this just came out, wikileaks. i love wikileaks. >> reporter: assange's lawyers deny the story.
paul manafort issued this forceful denial. this story is totally false and deliberately libellous. i have never met julian assange or anyone connected to him, i have never been in contact with anyone connected to wikileaks, either directly or indirectly. i have never reached out to assange or wikileaks. any meeting between assange and manafort would likely be of high interest to the special counsel and its collusion questions. mueller's team met multiple times with manafort after he pleaded guilty in cement. on monday night, mueller's team told the court it was calling off the operation. accusing manafort of lying various times. manafort's lawyers shot back saying manafort believed he provided truthful information. mueller's team will now have to tell the judge what manafort lied about, revealing part of the investigation and the president's lawyer rudy guiliani
telling cnn today he has been talking to manafort's defense team and knew they were running into problems with the special counsel. and mueller's team called off the cooperation deal with manafort just days after the president submitted his own answers to questions about possible collusion. of course the president has repeatedly slammed the russia probe and called those questions he answered for mueller's team a perjury trap. of course, now it's manafort being accused of lying. >> lots going on. thank you very much. also tonight the white house is trying to tamp down speculation the president might be considered a pardon for paul manafort now his plea deal has been scrapped. let's go to jim acosta. you were at that rare white house press briefing today. sarah sanders was there, among others, answering questions. >> reporter: yes, wolf, i was at the first briefing in a month. white house officials tried to
carefully ask questions. sarah sanders appeared to indicate there weren't talks inside the white house on pardoning former chairman paul manafort, but the white house didn't exactly encourage manafort to cooperate with the special counsel's investigation, just as he has been accused of lying to the investigation. handle with care. >> that seems to be the white house approach from dealing with the allegation from the special counsel's office that former chairman paul manafort violated his plea deal by lying to investigators. >> good afternoon. >> reporter: at the white house briefing, there was no talk of pardons. >> i know we are not in any one's conversations regarding pardon. >> reporter: no real push to urge manafort to cooperate with special counsel robert mueller. >> would the president recommend that mr. manafort offer full cooperation to the special counsel's office? >> we can only speak to what our role is in that process and not only has the president but the entire administration has been fully cooperative with the
special counsel's office, providing hours an hours of sit-downs as well as over 4 million pages in documents. we continue to be cooperative. we also know that there was no collusion and we're ready for this to wrap up. >> reporter: press secretary sarah sanders appeared to make a point of only defending the president, not the rest of the campaign. >> certainly, i remain confident in the white house's assertion that the president was involved in no wrong-doing, he was not a part of any collusion. >> reporter: still with expectations building that mueller could be closing in on new indictments in the investigation the president remains agitated with the probe. tweeting the media builds up bob mueller as a saint. in actuality. he is doing the exact opposite. he is doing tremendous damage to our criminal justice system, where he is only looking at one side. john bolton dismissing request es from reporters about whether he should listen to an audio recording of the murder of the saudi urinalist.
>> i guess i should ask you why you think i should? what do you think i will learn from him? >> whether he would have access to that intelligence. >> can anybody in this room speak arabic? >> you want an interpreter? smr you want me to listen to it. what am i going to learn from it, if they were speaking korean i wouldn't learn any more from it either. >> reporter: sanders pushed back the rejection of the cia mohammed crown prince bin salmon ordered khashoggi's killing. >> we haven't seen definitive evidence that ties him districtly to that. what we have seen is a number of individuals we know are tried to that -- tied to that and those individuals were sanctioned. >> reporter: breaking the news he may punish general motors over closing car factories in the u.s. we are looking at cutting all gm subsidies. the white house is blaming gm, not trump economic policies for its current woes. >> they are making a car, quite
frankly, people don't want to buy. >> reporter: the president says he won't be traveling with the crown prince, the president, however, at the moment will be meeting with russia's president vladimir putin. that's what the national security adviser said earlier today. the aggression is likely to come up in that discussion. what the president will do about that regression remains a question. we should point out late this evening the pawing post says it has an interview, the president says he may scrap that upcoming plan meeting with vladimir putin because of this russian aggression against ukraine. of course, it's only tuesday the summit is later on this week. the president could change his mind and update that statement as to whether he will meet with putin later on this week. >> we'll see what happens. thank you very much. joining us, senator dick durbin, he serves on the judiciary committee as well.
thank you so much for joining us. we have lots to discuss. but do you view these roger ails e-mails or is this evidence of collusion, formal collusion in your eye? >> reporter: well, it's a tangled web, wolf, i think anyone trying to follow it wonders what's at the bottom of it. i think there is one responsibility congress bears at this moment, that itself to make sure the efforts of robert mueller continue unimpeded, unobstructed, not diminished by the administration, the general attorney or the others. we have a bipartisan work product in the next few beaks. >> will it be a part of demanding that that be included in any final legislation to keep the government operating? >> well, i think most agree, democrats and republicans, since it's a bipartisan bill it's not only important but timely. senator mcconnell, the republican leader in the senate said repeatedly we see no need for it.
yet, as this investigation unfolds and the president continues to fight it, it's clear to me, we need the aa-- assurance this will be an individual investigation. >> they say paul manafort met with julian assange in the spring that he joined the campaign. so if that's true, what new questions does that race i raise with manafort and julian assange, they're denying it? >> i can tell you i don't know about the assertions by the "guardian" newspaper concerning these meetings by manafort with julian assange, but you raised the point earlier, an important one, too, an amazing coincidence, wikileaks dump minutes or hours after the "access hollywood" scandal was unfolding here in the united states. for those of us who are observing it from far, it seemed much more like a coincidence. was there a coordination with anyone with this wikileaks leak
and dutch of information? that remains to be seen. we have one theory the "guardian request itself is putting forward today. >> as you know the white house press secretary sarah sanders says the president, says flatly the president wasn't involved in any collusion. but that's a change from saying no one in the trump campaign was involved. how significant potentially is that shift? >> oh, i think the president is narrowing his conversation as much as possible as those who were around him and part of his campaign effort are falling by the wayside. manafort, of course, is his former campaign manager. roger stone has been a confident of his for many, many years. all of them questions have been raised and even more when it comes to mmplt and i think what the president is doing, what sanders is doing for him, is narrowing the umbrella of protection to a very narrow allegation that it's just the president who is above this. >> why do you believe paul
manafort would strike a plea deal with robert mueller and his team only to break it and lie to the special counsel's team and the fbi as alleged by robert mueller and his team? >> reporter: there are a lot of theorys, of course, one of them is he forgot. a memory issue. i think that's the least credible. i think there also is this looming concern that there is a pardon waiting for him in the white house when this is all over. i hope that's not true. pardons in this circumstance would certainly raise serious questions about whether this president or any president is above the law in the united states. >> do you believe a pardon by manafort by the president would be an ad mission of guilt by the president considering manafort's role in the campaign? >> yes, i would. >> that's a serious charge. the white house, by the way today said at least sarah sanders said she doesn't think there is any considerations of pardons right now. she was specific on. that how concerned are you, that a potential government shutdown would put the mueller
investigation on hold at least for the days there would be no funding for that investigation? >> i don't know the internal workings of that investigation, whether day-to-day funding is critical. that's something we have to look into more carefully. i can tell you, this is a decision in the hands of president trump as to whether to shut down this government. he has a majority in the house. a majority in the united states senate. the republican control of two branches of go. any shut down is on his shoulders. >> the "guardian" newspaper has a report that the white house is preventing the cia director gina haskell from briefing members of the u.s. senate on the murder of jamal khashoggi the saudi journalist. do you know if she will be attend tag briefing? >> well, i don't know who gave the order, but we were told she would not be atending the briefing for members of congress. >> that is extraordinary when we are dealing with the khashoggi situation. her absence is obvious and it's
noted and it raises a serious question as to whether this administration is giving us the whole truth. >> even that so-called gang of eight leadership of the house and senate, chairmans of the house intelligence committees. they have not had access of hearing directly from her. is that what you are telling us in. >> i am telling you the general briefing tomorrow and for the united states senate we are told miss haskell will not be attending. and i think her absence raises serious questions about why 23 are not told the whole story. >> the cia had that conclusion 23 all know ability. let me ask you about another sensitive issue. you are spearheading this bipartisan justice reform bill the first act, it has president trump's support. today jared kushner senior aid his son-in-law has been working on this issue with democrats and republicans. he went to the senate republican policy lunch to try to move this bill along. if the president says he
supports it, you support it, what itself the problem? why hasn't this come up for a vote? >> well, this is an extraordinary measure. i was spearheading the last effort on sentence reform eight years ago. my partner was sessions, durbin, sessions, now we have a more amazing coalition, not just president trump endorsing it, construct grassley, my co-senior and corey booker and the major police organizations and aclu and others, we have reached a moment where we ought to move together on a bipartisan basis and solve a problem, it's up to senator mcconnell. he will make the decision about whether this will be a priority in the closing days. >> if he doesn't do it in the closing days, do you think he will do it in the new session in the republicans will still be in the majority? >> they will be in the majority. the stars don't line up the way they have in this circumstance very offer. let's seize this and make sure something is done in the new
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breaking stories on the russia investigation including new details on trump ally roger stone. cnn obtaining draft court filings. they show mueller has been preparing tell a federal court that stone pushed an associate to get information from wikileaks about a clinton company e-mails stolen by russian intelligence, joining us, the former u.s. attorney. thanks for joining us, do you believe these e-mails, are they evidence that roger stone at the very least attempted to commit conspiracy? >> i don't know a a legal matter you can attempt to commit a conspiracy or not. you have to show there was a meeting of the mind between one or more folks with an intent to break the law. what is really important is to understand what was in the minds of people having these conversations. was there a mere knowledge
to hack and have successful hacks into dnc and e-mails and distribute them on a regularized basis to do maximum harm before the election in mere knowledge may not be sufficient. so part of what you need to have here is to find out from witnesses, if not from documents, what the intent was. if you are a bystander, not necessarily aiding and abetting the conduct that it may not reach the level of criminality. all this suggestion of the draft documents you refer to and the other reporting makes it seem much closer to the fact. >> why would jerome corsi release these draft filings? >> you stumped me. i have been seeing folks on social media asking the same excellent question. i don't know. some of these folks were swirling around in this investigation whether you talk about paul manafort, sam nunberg or others. they sometimes need attention. boy do they get it. i can't think of a particular intelligent rational basis that
is helpful to him, to jerome corsi, for releasing these documents. maybe he's so immersed and thinks these documents on their face are so indefensible and think he will gain sympathy? that's a guess on my part. >> are they allowed in. >> you tend to not want that to happen. i'm not aware of any privilege that applies. it's not grand jury information. in the ordinary course in order for someone to get to sign on the line which is dotted on a plea agreement, most of the time you get far enough down the road, you are providing an actual draft plea agreement, you are pretty assured you will get it done. you see you hire a liar and often give some details in advance on the phone or informal
way. those don't see the light of day until you walk in the courtroom and you swear and attest to everything being true. you do your allocation and plead guilty. sometimes things go south. it's very rare, given the spirit of your question, it's rare for someone to a, both decide not to cooperate and plead guilty after having gotten the document and also making it public for sympathy or support on his part. >> that's what i suspected as well. as you know the guardian newspaper is reporting paul manafort and julian assange, they met sometime in march of 2016 around the same time manafort joined the jump campaign. manafort is denying it. julian assange is denying it. what might that signal to the special counsel? >> would signal to the special counsel all those protestations to the contrary are false, which is important. why are you lying about
something if there was nothing wrong with it? i noted paul manafort said publicly or to his counsel about the "guardian" article is libellous. if it was an innocent meeting, if he's lying about it now. >> that would show the mueller team maybe there was something not good afought. obviously, given what transpired after spring of 2016, with the wikileaks dumps and the scheduled harm on a regular basis in october, timed significantly in ways to the clinton campaign to the extent that paul manafort was about to become a very, very lie level campaign person. in fact the chairman of the trump campaign, that gets you close to this thing people are not talking about. it's not the legal term a more informal term collusion it's the very sort of essence of it. >> both manufactured and roger stone spoke to president trump throughout the company.
how plausible do you think it is the president was kept in the dark on all of this, assuming all these reports are true in. >> look, based on my sort of being a citizen in the country and watching television, reading the news, studying like everyone else's behavior, how involved he wants to get on these things, it seems have been plausible he wasn't involved in a way. in the same way the denials of the payment of stormy daniels at the outset on behalf of donald trump. a lot of those assertions turned out to be false or proven false by one or more recordingles. it is also the ka is that donald trump on a regular basis, i don't know what the compact number is, i saw it recently, dozens of times on the campaign trail talked about wikileaks, talked about releasing e-mails. it was on his mind, not just privately, it was on his mind when he stood at the podium in front of tens of thousands of people. you would think he was openly and notoriously calling for that activity. there was someone on his campaign in touch with folks who
could be responsible for that activity, that they would like to take credit and tell the boss, hey, guess what, it seems plausible to me. >> as you know, manafort was seen as potentially was an important corroborator with the robert mueller investigation, notice, mueller and his team say he was lying to the fbi, lying to the federal prosecutors, how much of a setback potentially is this for mueller? >> it depends on what manafort's information was, if it was compelling and does more than tell you what are in documents or e-mails. if he were able to be a witness who could tell you what people's state of mind was in conversations not recorded, then it could be a fairly financial setback. we keep talking about this, there's people leak me on television how important it is to understand what the intent was, not just the mere fact of the action and the meeting and sometimes you need cooperating witnesses to make the case. if there is some irony that in the current circumstances, that
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wikileaks. the mueller team has these e-mails. how big of a deal is it? >> it's not great news for roger stone. i will tell you that. it looks to me of course sarah murray has done some great reporting on this. it looks to me that stone was trying to use mr. corsi as a kind of a cut jo ut to say, okay, are you communicating with the julian assange, this is what i need. x, y, z. and in sarah's story, she points out that on august 2nd, 2016, corsi was e-mailing stone to predict wikileaks had more documents in the works and that stone has said that he spoke with trump the following day, august 3rd. so what was that conversation about? did stone relay this to the candidate? we don't know the answers. we are presuming that bob mueller knows the answers and
that what we are missing here and what we don't havet the communication the alleged communication between corsi and julian assange. >> we do have, gloria mentioned it, the august 2nd 2016 e-mail from corsi and stone. word is friend in embassy plans two more dumps, one shortly after i'm back. second in october. impact planned to be very, very damaging. that time line was pretty accurate. >> and in october, that when the podesta e-mails came out. this is like that scene in "wayne's world" mike meyers says he was awfully well informed for a security guard? how else could she have known about this? but the timing seems eerily close and roger stone has not provided anything that absolves this. >> in all of this, the
"guardian" says he met with julian assange in the spring of 2016, at the same time he would become the trump campaign manager and chairman. when you put all this together manafort's denying this, julian assange is denying this. when you put it altogether, what does it say to you? >> i think the important thing is the "guardian" reporting says manafort was there three times, allegedly meeting with assange three times, at least twice for the government of ukraine that was put in by the russian government so there are deep connections to the russians to begin with on the first two. if it turns out to be true that he was there at that point in time, to me, if you think about the mueller investigation, it's sort of a three legged stool. one part is the russian government hacking e-mails. another is wikileaks releasing them. the final part, we've had a lot of reporting, but no firm evidence of the connections. we got pieces. this would be a huge piece to
really link the campaign to the russian hacking and to wikileaks. >> rebecca, go days after roger sustain e-mails, get to assange the presidential confident infamously encouraged russia to go ahead and hack the hillary clinton and democratic party e-mails. listen to this. >> russia, if you are listening, you hope you are able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> you think roger stone and jerome corsi would be doing what they're doing without the president knowing about this? >> it's possible f. they had been smart about this you would have thought perhaps manafort and/or stones would have purposely tried to insulate the president from whatever they were doing with wikileaks, knowing it could potentially expose him to legal jeopardy or some pr problems, if anyone were to find out that this was going on during the campaign, during
the election. publicly the clip you played based on all of the pieces of the puzzle becoming known to us now, it does look increasingly likely that the president could have or would have known about this and this is one of the fundamental questions remaining for mueller to know what did the president know and when did he know it? >> again this isn't proof that he didn't know it or the crime was committed. that clip, that was two days after, according to these e-mails, roger stone e-mailed jerry corsi to say, get to assange. >> corsi is releasing the draft court documents. >> hello. >> this one is really hard to know. the only thing i can think about is that he knows it's coming. he's about to be charged by mueller. there will be a long court filing that says exactly what he's released. i don't think he's gone ahead of it. the only thing i can think is
it's coming anyway. >> the new way the white house the press secretary is talking about these allegations of collusion. it's potentially significant. >> i remain confident in the white house assertion that the president was not involved in any wrong do, the things that have to do with mr. manafort, i'd refer to you his attorneys to address that. >> she is saying the president was not involved. she is not saying that lesser officials were not involved. >> right. she said that over and over again. it was the mantra during the press conference. the president was not involved. months and months ago, we heard the president talk about nobody in my campaign was involved in any collusion. now that story has changed and they're sticking to the new one. i do think you see the circle narrowing. the president now is making the case about himself because they're well aware of what's
going on with others, particularly roger stone or corsi. so she was i think incredibly careful about the way she used her language. >> loose, again, we're still owe point where dots have to be connected. we don't know all that the special counsel knows. all of these figures we are talking about had a chance over these two years to say, hey, these e-mails are out there. i wanted to let you know this, i had nothing to do with collusion. the president could have not said this was a hoax. he could have said, let's see what it turns out. >> in the midst of this, the plea deal with former manafort is off. they say manafort committed federal crimes by lying to the federal bureau of investigation and the special counsel's office on a variety of subject matters that constitute a breach in the
agreement. >> in the plain language, it's clear. you have to tell everything you've done and walk in and talk about every single crime you've committed and if they believe that hasn't been the case, they could charge him, more importantly here, they've pulled back the agreement. the thing to recognize is it is true mueller has a lot of evidence, i suspect he had evidence that manafort did not know he had and that they came to a point where manafort lied directly to them. >> significant developments. everybody stick around, coming up, an exclusive and chilling cnn poll exposing the deep under current of anti-semitism and the hatred about jews that is prevalent in europe right now. a cnn special report. the state of hate is next.
tonight an exclusive new cnn poll reveals the depths of anti-semitism across europe and ignorance about the jewish people. one third of europeans is surveyed said they knew little or nothing about the holocaust. more than one fourth says jews have too much influence in finance and one in five believe that the jews are to believe for anti-semitism saying it is a response to their every daying on behavior.
and this week we're exploring the state of hate. clarissa ward, you've been investigating anti-semitism in the country that gave rise to the holocaust, germany. what are you finding out? >> that's right. this poll was conducted 7,000 people across seven different european countries. the rilesults were shocking and troubling. you talked about more than 25% of europeans believing that jewish people have too much influence in business and finance. 26% of germans agreed with that assessment. this is a country that has gone above and beyond to try to atone for the sins of its pass and yet it is a growing problem there. we traveled to better minurlin out how that is possible. it is a sight you don't expect to see in germany in 2018. hundreds of right wing
extremists, many neo-nazis marching through the nation's capital. close the border, they shout. resistance, resistance. the far right is enjoying a major comeback here, bringing with it a troubling rise in anti-semitism. according to government figures, anti-semitic attacks have increased by 20% in the last five years. the number of violent right wing extremists has gone up by nearly a third. this man tells us a shadowy of globalists controls the world. you talk about elites and finance, is that another way of saying jewish people? >> yes. >> reporter: yes? >> yes. >> reporter: let me say this way, the banking system for sure. mainly jews, he says. we had more question, but our conversation was cut short by
one of the march's organizers. making anti-semitic statements can be punishable, but this christian explains that neo-nazis are finding new ways to express the same old hatred. and he should know. he used to be a right wing extremist himself. >> i would say that it is a form of anti-semitism that disguises itself so they don't talk about the jew anymore, they talk about the globalists or bankers. >> reporter: and they are growing more brazen. one man flashes a quick but unmistakable nazi salute right in front of us. a crime in germany. it is important to remember this isn't any country. this is germany. just a few hundred yards from the march is a memorial for the millions of jews murdered here in the second world war.
more than 70 years after the holocaust, germany is still haunted by its past. and yet remarkably anti-semitism is once again a growing problem here with 15% of germans agreeing that jewish people are now at risk of racist violence. the statistic comes from a cnn poll that also found half of germans believe jews are at risk of hate speech. and that the restauraat this re owner says he gets threats every day. >> from murder to i will break your knees, i will break your arms, your teeth. they are very creative in everything. all the options that they want to break. >> reporter: he was recently accosted by a man when told him jews will end up in the gas chamb chamber. it is only about the money for you, you will pay, the man says to him. nobody wants you here. he told you to go to the gas
chambers or that you will go back to the gas chambers? you've heard things like that before? >> very often. >> reporter: germany has acknowledged it has a problem. recently appointing its first anti-semitism czar are who is focused on creating a nationwide system for reporting anti-semitic crimes and on improving integration of germany's different communities. >> anti-semitism has always existed in germany after 1945 and now though it is showing its ugly face more openly. things that people would never have dared to say in a bar, in a restaurant, in a private surrounding do so now using social media. >> reporter: germany has seen upticks in neo-nazi activity before. most notably in the 1990s.
while official statistics show that more than 90% of anti-semitic attacks nationwide are from the far right, there is a new element of concern for the jewish community. the arrival of 1.4 million muslim refugees in the last three years. the leader of germany's small or t the -- orthodox jewish community -- >> they have different history, different background and especially coming from the middle east, also because of islam, a different attitude toward jews. when we talk about muslim originated anti-semitism, i think we can only on win that battle with the help of the moderate muslims. without them, this wouldn't be a successful fight. >> reporter: overall, the jewish community remains anxious. >> i think much more jews now think again like any culture and
you can notice the aggression that might not have been five years ago is starting to pop up again. >> reporter: it is a question few in this country ever imagined would have to be asked again. now, finding a solution to this problem is not easy because it is such a complex issue. but one interesting conversation i had with the chief rabbi of poland echos something that you just heard from the anti-semitism czar. he says i'm not convinced that anti-semitism ever really went away. i think maybe it was always bubbling beneath the surface and it is only in recent years that suddenly people feel empowered to give air to views that traditionally would have been seen as socially unacceptable, politically incorrect and just abhorrent. >> and yesterday we reported on
increasing anti-semitic incidents here in the u.s. and now in germany. we'll continue to follow this. thank you very much. and be sure to join us tomorrow as we continue our special series on the rise of hate here in the united states and around the world. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. next national bolton says h didn't listen to the tape of the "washington post" journalist being murdered because he doesn't speak arabic. and in a stunning interview tonight, the president trump blaming the fed for general motors. and polls about to close in the racially charged runoff election in mississippi. can democrats pull off an upset? let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, hear no evil see no