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this is cnn tonight, i'm don lemon. 11:00 p.m. here on the east coast, and we have some breaking news for you. a new record for the number of coronavirus cases reported in a single day in this country. more than 71,000. the death toll passing 138,000. at least 39 states seeing a number in the rise. florida seeing a record number of new cases and record number of deaths from the virus. hospitals in florida filling up. in texas, more than 10,000 new cases today that many state also recording its single highest day of covid-19 related deaths. texas and arizona bringing in refrigerated trucks as morgues fill up. joining me now, cnn's
correspondent john harwood. john, this virus is spiraling out of control. 71,000 cases reported just today, and that's a new daily record. hospitalizations are on the rise again. we talked about this -- remember when we talked about florida opening up and georgia opening up and all the other states that were opening up and maybe they were doing it too soon? >> and now the prediction and projections have met the reality here. what on earth is going on? when is the president going to listen instead of today talking about dishwashers and showerheads? >> it's really remarkable, don. we've gotten used to the last couple of weeks the president in effect deciding that the coronavirus problem is too hard, avoiding it, trying to talk around it. but it's also the things that he's talking about are
remarkable that he was doing in the rose garden today. he is harking back to the america of the 1960s, when he was coming of aaron when white chris chance were still 80%, 85% of the population and appealing to an elect rat from back then. he talked about rolling back environmental regulations today. you half expected him in all this talk of shower heads and dishwashers to say, we could save a buck if we got rid of air bags and seat belts on automobiles. he also was talking about rolling back racial justice fair housing legislation which he said would wreck the suburbs, white suburbs. first off, suburbs are not all white anymore. they once might have been. second of all, people don't want to roll back those protections. it was the same way he talked the other day about why are
black people getting killed by police? and he said, oh, white people are. this is a throwback vision she's stuck on and there's no evidence it's working for him economically with public healther and poetically. and it's a mystery why he sticks with it. >> going to find out soon if it's working. trump has no plans to handle this crisis. he's ignoring the medical experts, pretending everything is fine. moneys of americans are dying every single day. it is fair to call this a dereliction of duty, john? >> certainly sounds reasonable to me that to the public health experts that you talk to as well. the president seems to have crossed his fingers and decided that his strategy, his plan at this point, is to hope for therapeutics and vac seecines m sooner than people expect and meantime try to talk up to
economy, talk about ways to boost the economy, like talk about deregulation. obviously the economy is being eld back infinitely more by the coronavirus. uncertainty among businesses, among regular people, than -- it's a counterproductive strategy, and he's not willing to pay the short-term costs of an aggressive, effective effort to deal with it. >> yeah. and finally just the other day, yesterday or the day before, he wore a mask. he was talking about how big joe biden's mask is. his mask was huge. but i digress. i don't know if you saw mary trump on rachel mad doe. listen to this. >> i want people to understand what a failure of leadership this is, and the reason he's
failing at it is because he's incapable of succeeding at it. it would have required taking responsibility, which would in his mind, have meant admitting a mistake, which in his mind would be admitting weakness, which in my family was essentially punished with the death penalty so symbolically or otherwise. what i think we need to grapple with now is why so many people are continuing to allow this. the fact that he is dividing us at the expense of people's lives -- i mean, what, 140,000 americans and counting are dead, and the vast majority of those people did not need to lose their lives if only donald had said, listen to the scientists, wear a mask, stay home.
>> she did not mince words there, saying his arrogance cost lives. >> well, right, and the scientists he's not listening to are saying things that are inconvenient to him right now. he's not absorbing the information. he's not reacting to changes in the situation. he was very slow, as we know in the beginning, downplays the coronavirus, because he thought it would disturb the economy, and that was his greatest asset. then he did -- was forced to deal with it, and we did go into a significant element of shutdown nationally, but as soon as he got some positive news there he raced to re-open the economy again, and he's certainly not veering from that. that's the inability to adjust, which is crippling him. nancy pelosi said today, donald trump is like the man who won't stop and ask for directions. he's not asking for directions
from anthony fauci and other public health experts and as a consequence, we're seeing this incredible brush fire across the country. >> when you don't ask for directions what happens? you usually get lost, you run out of gas. >> you get lost. >> you run out of gas and there you are stranded just you and yourself. thank you very much. appreciate it. >> you bet. >> i want to go to andy slavit, the former acting administrator at the center for -- >> andy, good to see you. wish it was under better circumstances. tonight only two states are seeing a decrease in cases. delaware and maine. we've known about the virus for six months. what's happening? >> sadly, i think the foot that came off the gas in the beginning of may in the white house, within the country, sent a signal to folks that this was over and people were all too eager to get back to their lives. unlike the rest of their world, we forgot the fact that the
virus was still out there and that the virus is still deadly and this is what viruss do. too many people who were all too happy to go along with it. so i think right now my sense is that it's impossible to ignore what's going on any longer, even for the white house. i think that's why you're seeing a lot of finger pointing and blame game. i think we'll see more of it. that's not constructive. they're doing everything but rolling up their sleeves. >> andy, several countries reported zero coronavirus deaths in the last seven days. what are they doing that we aren't? listen, i'm sure they're socially distancing, they're wearing masks, they're taking it seriously at the very least. >> well, you know, it's a great question, and it's the right question. i think it sends a signal to all americans, it's not that this is impossible. we are acting like this is impossible. you can go anywhere from greece
to the czech republic to vietnam. we're talking about countriesed that that had a strategy and stuck with it. deborah birx had a strategy. it was the day before trump tweeted liberate minnesota, liberate michigan. states with rapid increases in cases. if we had done some simple things you talked about many times on this show, which is get enough testing for people so we don't have wild spread, do contact tracing, wear masks, all of those things work. none of those things are complicated. we should be at this point in time in july, we should be enjoying essentially -- not a normal summer, but a much more normal existence than we are now, and i think that's sadly due to the white house. >> this is very troubling, because the trump administration now is rerouting coronavirus
hospital data to health and human services instead of sending it to the cdc. you used to work at hhs. does that make any sense? >> it doesn't make any sense. there's no explanation that we're going to get that makes any sense. i read through the explanation they're giving today. the cdc is charged with essentially monitoring public health and public health information and sharing it with the public. they weren't going a fabulous job before this, but this going on is people acquiescing to politics. what this means now is political leaders, not scientists, are going to be the ones getting the data. i'm quite sure they're going to be forced to share it with us. this isn't quite the ussr and chernobyl. >> you're that optimistic about that? because what other reason would they have to reroute it than they don't want to numbers
getting out? >> john hopkins has this data. this isn't a place where -- you can't hold this information. we have fabulous reporters at cnn and other outlets. they're going to get this data, so i think they're going to be forced to release it. they're going to spin it through their political lens. because remember, they're not doing enough testing, so we have no idea what's going on in terms of case count. we have way more cases than are actually out there. the only solid number is hospitalizations because testing numbers no longer mean anything, because there's just too much spread. then they take hospital data and say, wait a minute, that's going to be important. let us politicians get this information out as opposed to letting the scientists get that information out. so i would bet you there will be something that comes out, but i bet you it's paint in the a way that eases the burden on his political story. >> andy, thank you. appreciate it.
have a good evening. be safe. i want to get to cnn's nick watt on with the very latest on surge of cases across the country. >> reporter: this is texas now, six months into this pandemic. refrigerated trailers deployed to store the dead. in dallas, san antonio, down near the border, morgues are filling up. >> i'm pleading with everybody. here in our neck of the woods in our community, i need everybody to help us and do their part. >> reporter: and in corpus chris christi? >> we were doing fabulous. after memorial day skyrocketed. >> reporter: yesterday, more than 1,000. similar situation over in miami, where hospitals are now at 95% capacity. >> we're at the highest level of ventilators that we have seen throw the pandemic. >> reporter: 39 states are
heading in the wrong direction, with average case counts rising. today, cvs, target and publix joined the list of retailers requiring masks. mask mandates now in at least 39 states but not georgia, where the governor banned local municipalities from making them mandatory. he's suing atlanta's mayor whose mandate is in place. >> i was furious. lost for words. made no sense to me that at that time when our corporate giants are mandating masks where the state of alabama is mandating masks, where florida, 20 miles south is the hot spot of the nation -- >> the fact that we're arguing about masking i don't understand that in the middle of a pandemic. >> reporter: example, this utah county commission go into the masks in schools and abruptly ended. >> we are supposed to be
physically distancing, wearing masks, and so -- >> reporter: the president kind of agrees with those boos. >> we're going to be putting a lot of pressure on open your schools in the fall. >> reporter: not one of the 20 largest districts in the country has committed to in person teaching, but the state of florida says it's ready, even as miami's mayor pleads for federal guidance. >> there was guidance in terms of re-opening, in terms of the gating criteria, but there wasn't any guidance in terms of if there's a second spike like we're seeing right now. how do you go backwards? what are the metrics? so we're struggling. >> reporter: nick watt, cnn, los angeles. coronavirus cases surging across the country. we'll continue our update right after this break. do i use a toothpaste that whitens my teeth?
two counties in the states starting to run out of room in morgues and bringing in refrigerated trailers to help the capacity. joining me now, dr. david purse of the houston public health authority. thank you so much for joining us, doctor. cases in texas still surging. houston is among the worst hit places. icu beds hovering at surge capacity. talk to us about how serious the situation is there right now, please. >> well, the situation is serious. we judge it by, you know, our hospital situation. and our hospital partners are doing a really great job of coming one extra space for patients but quite honestly, what is forgotten in all of this is that the other illnesses like heart attacks and strokes and tumor receptions and so on and so forth, those things are continuing in at the same time, so it's not just all about covid disease. >> yeah. so dr. purse, texas governor abbott saying he won't shut down texas. listen to this. >> people are panicking thinking
i'm about to shut down texas again. the answer is, no, that is not the goal. what i want to do is make sure that everyone begins to wear a mask so that we will be able to get covid-19 under control so we won't have to shut texas back down. >> quite honestly we have been covering this, the governor since this all began, he was not on the mask band wagon. he resisted calls for a mask mandate for weeks before finally giving in. now he's saying everyone wearing a mask is the only way to get this under control. this shows the peril of not listening to the experts, no? >> i agree. we should have been following this from the science standpoint all along. instead as a nation we let this become a political issue. >> yeah. the army is now in houston to help with hospital capacity. harris county officials have said that nrg stadium could be used as a last resort medical shelter for coronavirus patients. do you need that help right now?
>> not right now. but as you know, we do have a small medical unit in town already that set up a 30-bed hospital, but let's face it in a city this size that's a tiny drop in the bucket. the goal should be to get things under control so we don't have to use those assets. even if the the county's field hospital were to be set up, at maximum it's another 150 beds. that's still a tiny number. that is not the answer. the answer is for us to somehow slow down the spread of virus and get control of the situation. >> i want to put up for our viewers these refrigerated trailers that are helping out with morgue capacity in parts of texas. this was what it was like at the peak of the virus in new york. could this have been avoided if texas re-opened for carefully? i'm not saying slower, but just more carefully? >> i think so. i think two things happened in texas. when the governor opened things
up he said he was going wait two weeks and a few more days to see what happened. in public health there's a rule that whenever you make an intervention you need to wait two weeks to see what happens. the mistake in retrospect is that people didn't go from 0 to 65 miles per hour on day one. while the governor gave 18 days to phase two, the flawed thinking was we would know at 18 days the impact of phase one. what we now know is we didn't begin seeing that until the 23rd, 25th of may. by that point we're in phase two and the populous had the false sense of security that the we thinker is much warmer. must be why things are still good. we went from 0 to 65 not in phase one, but in phase two. >> dr. purse, thank you so much. be safe, please. hopefully next time i talk to you there's better news.
>> thanks for having me. arizona also facing a dire situation. health officials announcing they're bringing in hundreds of nurses from out of state to help fill the gaps. i want to bring in now an emergency physician at valley wise health medical center in phoenix. good having you. >> good to be back. >> last week you were telling me how icu capacity in arizona was surging so badly toud send people away to make room for coronavirus patients. what's it like now? >> if somebody is extremely sick of course we're going to keep them in the energy unit. the problem is they're backed up that they're staying in the emergency department for a long time. we do our best to treat them, but there are certain things that require inpatient medicine. it has gotten extremely hot in arizona. there are people coming in with heatstrokes, infections like they did always, even before the
pandemic and on top of that you have to covid patients. there are people waiting in line to get tested and fainting literally while getting a test and come to the o.r. because they're getting a test and fainting. you're getting the patients coming to the o.r. we're backing them up in the emergency department to take care of them, but despite that we have the highest positive rate in the country. which means it's widespread in the community, and i don't know when this is going to level off. >> goodness. are there treatments that you're using that are helping? and if so, what are they? zblinch >> so there are some treatments we have. dexamethasone we know can help. remdesivir can help a little bit, but there aren't clear cut benefits. aye got a really great drug. it's called masks. they decrease disease transmission more than any other
drug we have out there. if people just wore them, it would be amazing. the transmission rate could be so low. i know companies can make a billion dollars off it, but masks work. everybody's been saying it and it's the best drug that we have. >> i hope people are listening to you and heed your advice. deaths in arizona, doctor, now quickly, trending upward. in arizona hospitals run out of icu space, what is going to happen to that curve? >> well, you have been watching the curves. a lot of people talking about, is there a plateau, is there not? it's like talking about a clogged sink with the fougaucet that's still running. as long as the water is running you're at risk of flooding. that's the situation we're at right now. the sink is back up with water and we're hoping, maybe if we turn the faucet down a little bit that would be okay, but we need to unclog it, for people to
get healthier, be less sick and come out of the icu safely. there are multiple residents in our hospital that are sick. which is really upsetting to me. one resident emailed me yesterday to say, i don't know how long it takes to make an n-90 or a ventilator, but i know how long it takes to make a doctor. health-care professionals who have full ppe in our hospital are still getting sick, so i'm not sure how other people think we're doing okay. even if we were plateauing, which we're not, deaths are going up, to plateau at a bad place is not good enough. we need to go down. especially considering schools are opening and people are walk around like it's okay. they're not okay. doctors are getting sick. we don't want to sink to flood. it's concerning in the hospital situation. >> arizona also bringing in refrigerated trucks just like texas in morgues. please be safe. best of luck to you. >> thanks, don. you too. more breaking news.
we already reported the u.s. reporting the highest number of new coronavirus cases in a single day yet, but more cases report in the right now. that number is now 75,469. this and the argument over schools re-opening, next. welcome back, to that same old place that you laughed about well the names have all changed since you hung around but those dreams have remained and they've turned around who'd have thought they'd lead ya back here where we need ya welcome back, america. it sure is good to see you.
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side. >> when he says open, he means open in full, kids being able to attend each and every day at their school. the science should not stand in the way of this, and as dr. scott atlas said, i thought this was a good quote, of course we can do it. everyone else in the western world, our peer nations are doing it. we are the outlier here. the science is very clear on this that, you know, for instance, you look at the jama pediatric study that said the risk of critical illness for covid is far less than seasonal flu. the science is on our side. we encourage states and localities to follow the science, open our schools. >> let's discuss. dr. william shatner is here. doctor, good to see you. thank you so much for joining. we looked at the study she reference and while kids are less likely to get sick from the coronavirus, health officials
say transmission in children is still very unclear. tell us what we know. >> what we know, don, is that those countries that have reduced transmission -- we haven't -- but those countries that have reduced transmission have been either able to keep their schools open or open them up, but that's in an environment where community transmission is very low. now, we're going to take the science and apply it and help the schools try to open up, because that will happen across the country. and the general principles, wearing masks, disinfection, six foot distancing and avoiding groups are going to be applied to the schools, and the schools are doing a whole lot dinfferen things. taking the temperatures, there will be a symptom screen. if your child that has symptoms don't send them to school. there will be staggered hours of
operation so there's not crowding coming and leaving. in class they'll be divided up. everybody whog wear a mask -- i don't know about the tiny ones, but older children and all the faculty and the staff will be masked. some of the children will eat in their own rooms rather than go to the cafeteria. lots of disinfection going on. so the science can be applied to try to help school systems open up as safely as possible. we're all going to be doing a very large experiment across the country. but the most important thing we could do is reduce transmission, as your colleagues have -- my colleagues have told you just before, reduce transmission in the community. >> droctor, data from florida's health department say kids under 1 have a transmission rate of a third. that's huge. what could happen if schools
open before we get this under control? >> these are the tested children, and obviously they were tested for some reason. either they were ill or contacts of people who were ill. but that's still a very high percentage. there isn't any doubt. now, can children transmit this virus? just as you said, that's still a large question mark. and studies are under way to try to determine that, but we don't know how well children can transmit this virus. >> all right, doctor, thank you for your expertise and time. i appreciate it. we'll see you soon. >> my pleasure. next some prominent black celebrities making questionable comments spreading anti-semitic conspiracies are backing up others who have done so. why is this happening now? people used to care. heck, they'd come
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it's time. nick cannon has announced that he is stepping away from his nationally syndicated radio show. in a post on twitter, cannon says he plans to commit himself to deeper more thorough reflection and education. the move comes after cannon and a controversial hip-hop figure pushed anti-semitic conspiracy theories on a recent episode of his podcast. jemele hill is here, a staff writer for the atlantaic and of
unbothered" podcast, which i was a guest on, so thank you for that. what's going on? >> thank you, don for having me. >> we have seen desean jackson, stephen jackson, nick cannon all with anti-semitic viewpoints. then they're struggling to apologize and where do we go from here? what is a root of this? >> i think a big part is they don't necessarily consider what they're saying to be anti-semitic, and the one thread that you see in all of the clips that you watch or not just nick cannon but what was steven jackson said and if you saw the quotes the, fake hitler quote that desean jackson posted is that in their minds they think that they're saying something that's educational, that's historically accurate, and something that is not anti-semitic, and i think part of the reason that they think that way is because they don't understand some of the same
stereotypes and tropes that they're pushing about jews owning everything, about immediatifeeding into these conspiracy theories that they have master control over a lot of different industries. that they're also at the same time putting on full display the very reasons why they were persecuted by hitler to begin with is because of the threat of them conspireing and all these other believes so they're not unable to unwrap all that or understand it and they don't also understand how hurtful that is to people in the jewish community, because i don't think they've ever really had to type of conversation that would allow them to have that level of empathy or sympathy, and they must understand anti-semitism is a huge component of white supremacy, which we're all trying to fight. >> i'm sure as you know, as we're doing this, people will go on social media and say, you guys need to educate yourself.
you're pawns for the white man or for the je werwish people or whatever, and they don't realize, what they think about history is true isn't true. it's ahistorical. it's not true. you're trafficking in conspiracy theories. i know you wrote about an anti-semitic incident of your own in the atlantic. it was called the anti-semitism we didn't see. tell us what you did, what the fallout was and what you did, what you learned after that. >> in 2008 i was covering the lakers/celtics nba finals series. i was writing a column for espn. and i made a really callous insensitive and frankly not funny joke comparing hitler fans to -- i think the line i used in the column was that if you root for the celtics that's like saying hitler was a victim. and while i know on the face of
it there are many people who said, that doesn't seem that bad. that wasn't the point. the point is that had somebody made a similar joke -- let's say it involved slavery or a notorious figure who had been known for persecuting black people, i would have been pissed, frankly. that just allowed me -- gave me an entry point to reflect on why i did that so callously, and a lot of it is because i know, you know, we tend to get into what i call the oppression olympics. obviously as black people we understand what our struggle is, what our fight is, what we have been through, how we have been the victims and brunt of institutionalized racism, systemic oppression -- we could go on and on. sometimes we get so wrapped up in that fight, we tend to denigrate other marginalized groups and say, we were persecuted the most. we have been through the most. and we disrespect what other marginalized people have been through. we may not do it on purpose, we
may not do it with malice, but that's what we do nonetheless. it's what i did. i'm centering my own strugg and my own race and my own fight and what we go through to the point i don't see or understand what i said in the moment when i wrote it how insensitive that could come off. that's why i was able to use that incident and really try to tap into the mind set of what might have caused desean jackson to post something like he did. because it didn't matter if it was fake. the fact is, even if it was real, why would you think posting a quote from hitler was a starting point for any conversation? >> well, i want to move on to talking about kareem abdul-jabb abdul-jabbar. you were suspended from espn and you think you deserve it, right? >> i totally deserve it. when you're a writer, you have to take spoeresponsibility for you say and what you write.
yes, they were editors and the a story doesn't post itself, but i took responsibility for it. >> kareem abdul-jabbar had an article out. no one is free until everyone is free, so let's act like it. if we're going to be outraged, he says, if we're going to be outraged by injustice, let's be outraged by injustice against anyone and i would say injustice against everyone is what i would add to that. that's the heart of the issue, didn isn't it? >> it is at the heart of it, but it's a nuanced conversation. just in the way people are having this discussion, there are people who give no care about the jewish culture who are using desean jackson, steven jackson, and some of the
entertainers kareem abdul-jabbar mentioned to use them to eat at the credibility. they're using them as a launching pad. that's not to say what he said was wrong, he wasn't wrong at all, but there's a reluctance to be more outraged because people are scared. we're any way thoughtful and critical moment where we're having conversations about race, and because you have black people who are at the center of these controversies, people worry that, okay, if i come out and i criticize nick cannon, that's going to be perceived as if i'm against black people who in this moment are fighting for something really important. i think that's why you have seen a little less outrage than maybe you would have seen if this involved somebody white saying something about somebody black. nobody wants to be accused of undermining the struggle. >> yes, welcome to where i have been the last seven years or so.
there's no nuance. >> preaching to the choir. >> i know, right? if you say something -- even if you just discuss an issue that involves black people, you know, as a white journalist would do it, you get criticism that your -- you know, what are you doing? why are you talking about black people in that way? you're going to be disinvited from the cookout. but that's my job. >> my cookout invitation right now, let's just say it might be being reviewed based off that. >> it's under review. >> it's under areview. >> you're on probation. >> i guess i got to promise to make a bomb potato salad. >> jemele, you're a mess. take care. >> all right, take care, don.
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peaceful protests didn't get you that far and so now, we're sick of it. >> yeah. and that all sounds good. but, to be honest, if the new idea is nonviolence didn't work. and so, we're going to, one, start pulling statues down. and, two, start making white people feel really, really bad about anything they ever say. if that's the idea, well, then, we're still going to sit still. i don't think that's a meaningful strategy. and i'm not saying it's making white people too angry. at this point, what i'm saying is that, if the idea that any thing a white person thinks, does, or says, threatens the status much them being an ally, what's going to happen is white people are just going to be paralyzed. if i were white, at this point, i would be afraid to get out of bed. i would be afraid to say -- i would have withdrawn. i would have thought i'm never going to say or do anything about black people. >> you should hear what i said after that. and then, what he said after that. you have to check it out. the full interview with colombia
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