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now, the country's leading diagnostic lab says processing tests can take up to two weeks as they block funding in the next stimulus bill. >> joinings now, we have cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta and michael osterholm. okay, sanjay, tell us what you just learned about the briefings. >> well, we have learned that they're best called briefings, not coronavirus task force briefings, because it's not clear that anyone from the task force, at least not the scientists or the doctors are going to be there. as of this morning, they haven't even been told, so not only do they -- do we not know if they're going to be there, they don't know if they're going to be there or not as well. this gives you an idea into how the white house is handling this. it's not going to be just coronavirus that's going to be discussed. and frankly, you know, the people that we should really be hearing from on this that will give us the idea of what's
happening in the country and also i think more importantly the best path forward it's not clear at all that they're going to be there. they don't know yet, so it doesn't sound like they will be, but it could still change throughout the day. >> michael osterholm, let me tell you, in my household, your podcast, my wife is a big fan. i learned a ton listening to it. sanjay, i learn a ton from you every morning, that goes without saying. hi, alisyn. the question is that do you need to hear from the briefing? what would you need to hear from the administration experts if you had a choice? >> well, we don't have enough time today in the show to get into all of the issues i'd like to hear but let me just hit a couple. number one is the school reopening issue is going to not just be about kids right now, which you would surely is focused on, but it's ultimately one of those moments that we look back 10, 20, 30 years about how we handled the entire
pandemic we will look back on how did we handle the situation with our kids? the most important thing is to please provide the support to local schools and let them do that. i have talked to many school superintendents, many teachers, many parents, and they know best. they want to get back in the classroom more than anybody. it doesn't take a -- but we have to do it wisely and safely. to me, i would love to here the topdown message we'll support our schools and do it the right way or the best way. >> sanjay, we had a really interesting interview with the head of the teachers association in florida fedrick ingram who gave us the startling statistic about how kids in florida -- and we can stretch it out across the country that tested positive. that's all you immediate to know. there's tens of thousands if you look at it across the country, i'm sure hundreds of thousands.
they're symptomatic, but testing positive. they can be huge spreaders so it's -- it's really tough when you hear that next month they're supposed to be back in the classroom. >> yeah. i think it causes a lot of, you know, a lot of anxiety. i talked to a lot of the administrators around the country and i do think it does come down to one of the things that you guys have talked about this morning is well, i mean, besides the obvious things within schools that you can do or try to do, if you have space, you know, have people, students and the faculty try to maintain that physical distancing, hand hygiene stations. if there was a testing protocol that would be helpful. but the big thing as i think everyone has mentioned is just what is the virus doing in the community in which you live right now. if it's increasing there's increased community spread, probably not a good time to be opening schools. i think the data on whether or not kids can transmit -- i'm curious what dr. osterholm thinks about this as well, but the -- you know, i think it's
still a little unclear. i saw the contact tracing data out of south korea and they suggest that 10 to 19-year-olds can transmit just as much as adults. but for younger kids who have largely been at home since march, i haven't seen great studies on exactly what the transmission likelihood is from younger kids as well. i'm concerned it could be higher than we realize. we just don't know. but i do think the idea that you'll want the virus at least going in the right direction in your community so that schools don't suddenly cause a significant flare-up is important. >> what do you think of that? >> i think sanjay nailed it. we still have lots of questions left and i want to remind everyone that today if you look at the teachers in our schools, people who really want to be there, they miss their students something fierce. but yet, if you look at the fact that about 60% of them are over the age 40, over a fourth of them have underlying health problems, that could predispose
them to the serious case of covid infection. so we have to be mindful that, you know, they -- the two are a consideration in how we'll do this safely. finally, there are many families in this country who are living in multigenerational apartments. they don't have the luxury of spacing out if they need be. so we have to understand the transmission in children if they bring it back home. so this is not a reason not to have school, not a reason to say that it's too difficult. but these are issues we really must address and just to give a topdown edict you shall i think is a big mistake. and we have to answer these questions as we move forward. >> sanjay, i want to get your take on other news. hidalgo county in texas, a judge there has just ordered a stay at home order -- issued a stay at home order for hidalgo county after 34 people died there in just 24 hours. >> yeah. >> 34 people in that -- just that county. and so, you know, i was talking to dr. peter hotez about this. but what we out on the street
what you hear and maybe this is just rosy optimism, but therapeutics are getting better, people are using steroids. we're bringing deaths down, not as many people are dying, but why couldn't they be saved? why aren't they getting remdesivir or is it too late? how are we to process huge death spikes like that? >> it's clearly related to the fact that there is more virus spreading. this is the same pattern since the beginning. you get more infections. you can have a predictable lag time and then more deaths. i think we have made some progress clinically in terms of understanding how better to care for patients. you know, the ventilators maybe weren't as effective as we hoped they would be. there are certain medications. remdesivir is something that can shorten the course that
someone's ill. it's not still entirely clear that it reduces mortality. you can use steroids in people who are hospitalized or on the breathing machine as well. these are not panacea. a lot of people are getting hospitalized you'll have a predictable rise in deaths and what's happening in hidalgo described, this is a community that was sort of disenfranchised already. they didn't have a lot of the resources. there's simply not, i'm not saying that's the answer. but even to the extent it can help there's not enough to give it to all of the people who need it. >> professor osterholm, we talk about texas, california, florida. but one of the points you like to make it's not just in the knowshon more
more flame like area, as the president puts it, but the virus is everywhere and we need to acknowledge that. >> well, as we talked on this program, you know, right now we're somewhere between 7% to 9% of the population has been infected with this to date. it won't slow down the transmission until at least 50% to 70% of us have been infected and develops the herd immunity and that assumes we'll have long-term infection since we have had the infection. if you look at this right now, if we had 65,000 cases a day, a day for the next 365 days that would get us to about 50% of the u.s. population infected. so it gives you a sense how much more wood this coronavirus forest fire has to burn out there in terms of humans. this is why it's so important to get the message out. we're still at the beginning of the pandemic. most people are done with it. they decided they won't do any more. well, they don't get to choose. the virus chooses and this is what we have to keep getting the
message across. as we have to deal with this issue as we will be for the next year. >> professor osterholm, dr. gupta, alisyn, you're my zen master every day. thank you. so to the white house and congress could be on a collision course over the next round of stimulus funding. chuck schumer joins us next.
we are hours away from top democratic leaders and the white house discussing the next coronavirus package. joining us now is senate minority leader chuck schumer. senator, thank you for being here. tell us about this meeting that you're going to have with meadows and mnuchin? what's your message then and what do you expect to accomplish? >> well, our message is let's get going. it's over 60 days since the house passed the heroes act which is a strong, bold, comprehensive proposal to deal with the greatest crisis, the greatest health crisis we have had in a hundred years, the greatest economic in 7 5. as use mentioned the republicans don't have their own act together. the president says one thing, the senate republicans say another, many are devised. we hope they are unified and present something us to. present something in detail. because up no now they have been dithering. they have wasted 60 days as the
crisis gets worse and worse and worse. >> senator, explain to us if you can what this pushback the white house is giving lawmakers including republican lawmakers about not wanting to include money -- additional money for testing and tracing. we have a list of all -- even the republicans who are saying that they desperately need more money for testing and tracing. do you understand the logic from the white house in terms of -- >> no, it's so typical. look, president trump is really probably number one to blame for this crisis being a lot worse than it s and probably the number one reason and there are many. he dithered, he said it would go away, he said -- tell his people not to wear masks and the number one reason we're in such trouble is because we don't have adequate testing and adequate tracing. if you compare america to the other countries of the developed countries of the world, whether in europe or east asia, many of them had coronavirus as fierce as we had.
italy, spain, south korea. but they're now back -- now getting back to normal because they had a strong testing regime and it's befuddling, it's confusing, it's detrimental to the health of millions of americans why the president refuses to do -- he has plenty of tools to do stuff on testing now. such as invoking the defense production act. we need more help on testing. he's fighting even with his own republicans on this. it's totally, totally a dereliction of leadership. it's like there's no one there leading the country at a time of great crisis >> as i understand it, what the white house logic is is that there were billions of dollars in the previous stimulus bill that hasn't been spent, that was designated for testing and tracing and it hasn't been doled out. >> well, some of the money hasn't been dole out because the white house hasn't doled it out. the president seems to think if we don't test corona will go away. it's an absurd proposition, but
that's why he's resisted this all along. that's why he's resisted the faucis when they say we need more testing. it makes no sense. they -- there is money there but it's not close to enough and we propose more and many republicans agree with us. but the president is there and i'll make one other point. senate republicans almost never buck the president. they're afraid of him. they don't like to buck him. they know he can be mean and vindictive and angry. so even when they know he's wrong, they don't buck him and i'm worried we won't have adequate testing in the new bill. the heroes bill has a strong testing plan. >> how about the supplemental $600 going to unemployed americans that runs out this week. what happens when that runs out? >> what happens is millions of people go into poverty. every expert has said that the pandemic unemployment insurance which i proposed with senator widen, thank god it's in the bill, it's kept millions of
people being able to pay their mortgage, pay their rent. people who lost their jobs through no fault of their own. it runs out the end of this month. and if we don't renew it and renew it in a robust way, millions more will sink back into poverty and lose their homes. get kicked out of their apartments and not be able to feed their families. it makes no sense to cut back at a time when we have over 20 million unemployed and we have the greatest unemployment crisis since the great depression. to cut back on unemployment insurance makes no sense whatsoever. that's what they're proposed. in the other proposal we'll pay people to go back to work. well, those who go back to work are getting the salary. >> are you able to get that done or is there too much resistance? >> we'll see. in the last three covid bills,
mcconnell put on the narrow plans. we democrats in the house and senate resisted and then they came around to a much better plan. i'm hopeful that will happen again. >> i want to ask you about russian interference, not in 2016, in 2020. because there's a development this morning as you know. >> yes. >> so top congressional democrats have sent a cryptic letter i assume you were on this letter, on monday, that a foreign power is attempting to interfere again. obviously this has been a fear of lots of intelligence experts. part of it is classified so we don't know all of the details, however, apparently it is intelligence relate today the possible russian backed attempt to smear the presidential campaign of former vice president joe biden. here's what "the new york times" david sanger has found along with his colleagues. democrats contend that the russian-linked information is being funneled to a committee headed by senator ron johnson. the wisconsin republican who is
investigating mr. biden and his son who was once paid as a board member of the ukrainian energy company. what can you tell us? >> not much because it's classified. the president seems to deny everything that's fact and reality these days, it's -- it's at the well spring of our democracy. our elections. the founding fathers in the constitution worried about foreign interference in elections and their press understand is proving true today. we are asking the fbi director can brief the congress and so we can know what's happening and then do things about it. let's hope he says yes. >> what would you do? >> well, we have to know what -- we have to know the details before we can tell you what we
would do, but we should be doing everything to prevent foreign interference in our elections. >> we are about a hundred days away from the election. how worried are you on a scale of 1 to 10 about interference in the election? >> i'm very worried. they did it before. it's a lot of countries are trying to do it. we have to be prepared. we have to be guarded. we have to make sure they don't. there was less of it in 2018 than 2016. but no one know if that's because some of the countries decided to lay off and give us a sense of complacency or not. but we should be ever vigilant. if people think that a foreign country helped determine our country and lose faith in our democracy there's the beginning of the end of this grand experiment in democracy that has been so successful for more than 200 some years. >> i want to ask you about the supreme court. we are happy that justice ruth bader ginsburg is out of the
hospital and it would raise the question to what would happen through retirement or something else there was a vacancy on the court and the republicans have begun to talk about what they would do. and they say that they would absolutely allow a nomination and a confirmation even right now during this election as well as after the election. after november regardless of who wins, they would up until january of a new administration still go through that whole process. >> well, i'll say two things. let's hope that doesn't come to pass. let's hope -- let's all hope and pray for ruth bader ginsburg's continued home. but leader mcconnell twists the rules. sometimes he's for the rules, sometimes he wants to change the rules for whatever he thinks benefits him at the moment. that does not serve our democracy, that does not serve what this country needs. >> here's what senator john thune says about it. in terms of will -- they'd fill
the vacancy. he said, we will. that would be part of this year. we would move on it. >> let's hope we don't have to even confront that awful type situation. >> senator chuck schumer, we really appreciate you covering all of this and giving us this information. thank you very much. >> thank you, have a good day. thank you. hospitals in parts of texas are stretched to the limit with coronavirus patients as cases soar. what will it take to get the outbreak there under control? we're helping members catch up by spreading any missed usaa insurance payments over the next twelve months so they can keep more cash in your pockets for when it matters most find out more at usaa.com
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developing overnight, officials in hidalgo county, texas, issued a stay at home order for residents there. the governor is preventing counties from actually enforcing these orders. and in dallas county one of the largest in texas, the numbers continue to rise as the county reported more than 1,000 new cases on monday. joining us now is dallas county judge clay jenkins. judge, thanks so much for being with us and just so our viewers know, a judge in texas in the county is sort of like a county commissioner. people want to know why we refer to you as the judge, you're the
county judge in dallas. you run the place, so thank you for being with us. your reaction when you woke up to the news today that hidalgo county, judge richard cortez, issued a stay at home order. what did you think of that? >> well, we have to see what governor abbott does with that. you know, we had done similar things in the past and the governor and the attorney general tried to strike those down so they let that stand it may be a new path to try to get some more compliance out of people and try to turn this thing around. >> why do you think it's necessary that county leaders have the power to actually enforce these orders? >> well, when the county leaders were in charge, the state was doing quite well. in dallas county we implemented our stay at home order the same way -- or we announced it the same day that new york city implemented theirs. so we were way ahead of the curve. the governor took over on may 1st. we're in the situation we're in
now. if the counties had the authority to deal with their unique situations in this big state and, you know, varied places, then we can get back maybe not to where we were before the governor took it over. but we could be in a better place than we are now. >> what would you like to do in dallas county that you're currently unable to do? >> we want to close all businesses where you can't wear a mask 100% of the time. the governor won't even close cigar bars and we want to restrict day care to essential workers only. you know, there's a few other things our doctors are looking at. they're actually meeting again tonight. basically, we want to do whatever the doctors tell us the science indicates will work here. those are the two main things. >> i noticed overnight that travis county, austin, did not need to open an auxiliary center
in the convention center because the hospitalizations have stabilized. what are you seeing in terms of hospitalizations? >> well, our hospitalizations are at an all-time high but they have been at about the same number give or take for the last six days so that's a good sign. we're not going to open an auxiliary hospital. we are going to double up our bed capacity in our existing hospitals if necessary. >> at an all-time high but it's plateaued at the all-time high for six days. how long is that sustainable? that's a high level. >> well, we don't know. we don't know if this is plateau is the beginning of the decline or we don't know if this is just a respite on the way up to the new high. so we work on it constantly with our big hospital systems, you know, increasing their capacity, bringing in the temporary workers. we feel pretty good about it until tend of the month, at least. >> i which is only ten more days
at this point. it's not a long time frame but i appreciate that it's at least plateaued. what do you want to see at the federal level from national leaders? the president announced yesterday he's going to start holding task force briefings again today, but now we're told that we don't even know that the task force doctors, the scientists will be there. what would you like to hear from them? >> you know, what we need is more testing, faster testing. we need them to listen to science, listen to dr. fauci. go wherever the science leads them. their response is just unbelievably bad, frankly. and not the career professionals, but, you know, above the politics, above them. just unbelievably bad. >> how is that -- >> but -- well, i mean, we just got rid of our federal testing because it was taking ten days to get a test result back which
is useless for, you know, tracing the disease or keeping people isolated from work. the people that were getting those tests are the people that are keeping our economy going. in texas, we don't have medicaid expansion so it's unrealistic to tell an uninsured american making $16 an hour to stay home while they await on results. we have asked the feds for two months to have the raw materials to do the testing and thus far they have given us nothing. you can't get an answer out of people to get anything done there and it's a huge departure from every other emergency we have worked on and we have had a lot. >> i think this is important. and you might have a platform here because the president occasionally watches the cable news. he said the other day that the testing is the envy of the
world. what does he need to know? >> we've never had enough testing. the federal testing is way too slow. that's why we had to get rid of it. if the you want to be the -- if you want to be the envy of the world, give us the reagents so we can do the testing for dallas county. we are desperate for help and we need federal leadership. it's time to follow the science. >> judge clay jenkins, i do appreciate your time this morning. we wish you the best of luck. please let us know how we can help and please come back on the show. >> thank you. all right. so how important are antibodies when it comes to the race for the vaccine? dr. sanjay gupta investigates, next. so you only pay for what you need? i should get a quote. do it. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
so where are we with the coronavirus vaccine? well, three companies show promising results from early trials, but a vaccine is still months away at best. so this morning there is new hope that antibody therapy could provide a bridge until the vaccine is produced. dr. sanjay gupta has more. >> if there's one thing that most humans want it's antibodies. your body can produce them if
you're infected. a vaccine can provide you with them, but there is another way. it's called antibody therapy. that means, taking the antibodies from the blood of someone who's already been infected and recovered from covid-19. >> we have used it for rabies, for hundreds of years. more recent history in the ebola outbreak in west africa. people tried something called convalescent plasma. >> reporter: dr. lyon is an infectious disease expert at emery and he treated some of the first ebola patients in the united states. >> so plasma is the part of the blood that contains all of the antibodies. >> reporter: within the plasma, you are likely to find antibodies that are called the spike protein. >> if the antibody binds this little finger part, that's obviously going to block the
attachment to the cell. that will neutralize the virus. >> reporter: dr. graham is deputy director of the vaccine research center at the national institutes of health. >> there's other spots that you can bind the protein that disrupts its function. >> reporter: what's he's describing is called neutralizing antibodies. they work to block the virus from actually infecting cells in our body. >> having the plasma from convalescent players allows you to accomplish what we're trying to accomplish from the vaccine. you can give the antibody ahead of time and create temporary immunity. >> taking the antibodies to help protect them against becoming infected or possibly as a treatment, how effective should that type of antibody therapy be, convalescent plasma? >> i think it's very important
that the serum therapies and plasma therapies and even hemoglobin treatments are tested and also intervention in the early phase of infection so it doesn't progress to serious disease. >> reporter: the hope is that these antibodies can do a preemptive strike, preventing more serious disease from developing in someone who's infected or maybe even blocking infection altogether in people who are at high risk like health care workers. some have called it a bridge to the vaccine. companies like eli lilly and regeneron are using the neutralizing antibodies found in recovered patients and then manufactured in the lab. they're known as monoclonal antibody therapies. >> to put them to good use in therapy or prevention is an exciting new technology. >> reporter: but there is an issue. some recent research has found
that covid-19 antibodies may wane after several weeks and it was those who were sickest who tend to produce the most antibodies and keep in mind, the majority of people with covid experience mild symptoms. how does that compare to how long the antibodies will last from the vaccine? >> the typical half life of an antibody in humans is around three to four weeks. so those antibodies have given it a -- if given at a high dose could last for a couple of months. >> reporter: these are all considerations in developing a covid-19 treatment, as well as a vaccine. >> so sanjay, that all sounds promising. a bridge to the vaccine, obviously that's promising, but where is your optimism level in terms of the vaccine and how soon? >> well, i do think that with regard to the vaccine itself, i mean, the drum beat of evidence continues. we won't know for sure until you
have a large trial, where you actually give tens of thousands of people the vaccine, the tens of thousands who don't receive the vaccine and you compare infection rates. that's what the phase 3 trials are about. fundamentally we want immunity. we keep talking about the vaccine, but immunity is what we want and there's different ways to at least get immunity even if it's short term. so these antibody therapies i have talked to lots of scientists around the country, we'll hear a lot more about this and the idea that people could get antibody therapy, that could give you protection for a few months say is i think -- it's a considerable step forward. at least until we get to the vaccine. >> that was really helpful. that is a whole new way to look at it, as a bridge instead of as a solution. so thank you very much, sanjay, for all of your reporting on that. john? >> yeah, it answered a lot of questions i get from people
every day. breaking overnight, eu leaders agreed on the stimulus package worth more than $2 trillion. cnn has reporters all over the world bringing you the latest developments. >> i'm melissa bell in paris, here in europe, a big step for the european union after many many days of wrangling and fraught nights, european leaders have agreed on this 750 billion euro rescue plan. a big step not only because for first time in the history of the european union countries now become responsible for money that is spent in other countries, but also because brussels in becoming able to go and raise capital in the markets and become responsible for debt becomes for the first time in its history much more like a sovereign state. >> i'm matt rivers in mexico city. further south in brazil, health officials are now saying the country's death toll as a result of this virus is now more than 80,000 for the first time. the number of confirmed cases is now more than 2.1 million.
of those cases we know there are two brazilian ministers, both the minister of citizenship and education. they had each tested positive for the virus and they join their boss, jair bolsonaro, who himself has tested positive for the virus. despite that he has been seen in front of the presidential palace and thank the supporters. i'm will ripley in hong kong. the number of beds for covid-19 patients is running low and they're trying to expand facilities right now to house some of the people who are testing positive just in the last two weeks. also we're getting word that two mere people have died of the disease. still, just 14 deaths here in the city of 7 million people, but the signs are not good public health officials say as they keep reporting new cases every day. >> our thanks to our reporters
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a new lawsuit claims former fox anchor ed henry raped and systematically abused a junior staffer. henry was fired by fox earlier this month after the network said it received a complaint of sexual harassment. the lawsuit was brought by former fox business network producer jennifer eckhart, who says this about her allegations. >> would you characterize the relationship you were in with ed henry as mainly abusive? >> absolutely. i felt that he had the power to derail me, to destroy me, to ruin my career. i don't know how you could continue to cultivate and foster
an environment that rewards sexual predators consistently, year after year. >> ed henry's attorney says his relationship with eckhart was consensual. and there's another woman, kathy areu, a journalist who appeared on fox. she is named this this suit. she is accusing ed henry and three other hosts, tucker carlson, sean hannity and howard kurtz of sexual harassment. in a statement fox calls them false, frivolous and devoidz of merit. brian stelter is joining us with more. here we go again, brian. here we go again. it seems to never end in terms of the vile stuff that we hear from junior staffers. i can tick through the various fox men who have been accused of this stuff. but the ed henry stuff is in a different category, actually. >> yeah, there are several different claims here.
all of them under the umbrella of sexual misconduct. what we see in this lawsuit overnight explains why ed henry was fired by fox news several weeks ago. ed henry used to work for cnn many years ago and then he went to fox news. he was a rising star in the trump years because he was willing to do opinion or do news, whatever they asked of him. he was known to be a problem internally, however. and jennifer eckhart alleges her complaints fell on deaf ears. she describes rape and psychological manipulation by henry. here is what the lawyer for ed henry says in response. she says that this was eckhart's initiating of the relationship. she says eckhart encouraged the relationship. and she says that ed henry will speak out in the future. eckhart said that's victim blaming and reiterates what her position is in this lawsuit. so there's the claims from eckhart and then the claims from
kathy areu, who's not a fox news employee, never worked for the network but she was a frequent guest on sean hannity's and carlson's shows. they said they engaged in sexual harassment and these are the kind of claims, asking her to come to the hotel, meet her at the hotel. it was clear what they were asking for. what she's alleging is a culture of sexual harassment where the men at fox news thought they could have whatever they wanted. >> talk to me about the culture, brian, that you just raced there and also the time line here, having to do with how fox news as evolved or not over the years since roger ailes. >> right, because roger ailes was force out in 2016, right around this time four years ago, during the republican national convention, four years ago this week. he was out and fox news swore it was going to make changes. i think since then, we have heard continuing allegations of sexual misconduct from inside fox news.
it's like there's a permanent stain in the carpet that nobody can scrub out and the reason why it can't be removed is because the carpet was installed by a sexual predator. roger ailes built fox news and created the culture of fox news and the executives have done a lot in the last four years to try to make improvements, to try to make changes. there are new hot lines, there are new meetings and there have been changes at fox. however, jennifer eckhart in the complaint still describes it fell on deaf ears. fox news said, hey, we took quick action. we fired ed henry. there was an independent investigation, conducted by an outside law firm and says that the areu's complaints are utterly devoid of any merit. basically, what fox news says is you have a problem with ed henry, go to court and we have nothing to do with this.
there are some who say her claims are not as strong so we will see in this case moves forward. but listen to what kathy areu said in an interview about the environment at fox news, about her interactions with the male anchors. >> i kind of got numb to it. i thought it was perfectly fine to receive pornographic images and gifts. i thought that was normal for a male anchor to do. >> to send pornographic images? they sent you pornographic images? >> yep. >> brian, i remember four years ago back in 2016 when you interviewed me about things that went on with roger ailes and you asked me then, is fox just rot on the core? and i said something like no, it's not rotten to the core. i'd like to amend my answer now if i may. because given everything that
has come out since then, i guess it is rotten to the core. i guess even though there are really good people there who are trying to do their jobs it's not enough. because unless you get rid of and stamp out the predators then of course the culture is still going to be rotten. didn't they know this? when that outside law firm, paul wise, did their investigation back in 2016, didn't ed henry's name come up? didn't they know things about ed henry and yet they promoted him and doesn't that tell us all we need to know about the culture? >> you raised the most important thing there. npr and others have reported there were reporters about henry and yet he was promoted anyway. he was a favorite of the network's president, suzanne scott so he was promoted and finally, when the complaints were made, he was fired. it is incredible to think that four years after ailes was forced out this is still going on at fox news and yet, the
viewership doesn't change. they don't change the channel. fox's niche is so alienated from the rest of the media they don't turn anywhere else. there's a reason why in all of the interviews i'm doing about fox and cult, there's a reason that people describe it as a cult. >> does any of this surprise you, what you're learning this morning? >> as i said, the ed henry -- sexual harassment doesn't surprise me, but the violent rape, yeah. i'm surprised by reports of trying to turn something into the sex slave and then claiming it's consensual. it's still so -- i know this is morning television but the stuff in the complaint is so dark and vile, yes, i can still be shocked by these things. but i mean, just as brian said, i'm -- i'm sad actually, i'm sad that four years after roger ailes was gone that this -- that the young women there feel like
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very good tuesday morning to you. i'm jim sciutto. >> i'm poppy harlow. a looming election and the coronavirus briefing maybes a comeback. we don't know what it will look like today or what we'll hear. sources do tell cnn it will not focus exclusively on the pandemic and no task force members are expected to attend. i will note in the last few moments, dr. anthony fauci says if they want him to be there, jim, he'll happily be there. >> hard to imagine he wouldn't have the experts there. wel