tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN November 30, 2020 9:00pm-10:00pm PST
of moderna, describing his reaction to extremely positive data on his company's new covid vaccine. moderna is now seeking emergency-use authorization for it. joining pfizer, which has a similarly effective vaccine. this is remarkably hopeful news. and it was followed by a dose of breaking news. the departure of the only doctor the president seemed to embrace on his task force. dr. scott atlas. the one, who doubted masks and had no infectious-disease qualifications for the job, stepping down. more, in a moment, on how the task force is taking the news. what could be the darkest days, yet, for the country. nearly 95,000. in wisconsin, nearly one in four of them are in icus. in rhode island, there are sifrmly sifr simply no beds left. an alert went out to cell phones that hospitals are at capacity. the country is averaging close
to 160,000 cases a day, and we haven't even begun to feel the effect of holiday travel and get-togethers. >> we may see a surge, upon a surge. we don't want to frighten people, but that's just the reality. we said that these things would happen, as we got into the cold weather and as we began traveling. and they've happened. it's going to happen, again. >> our medical and public-health experts will join us, in a bit, to talk about the moment dr. fauci describes. the president, meantime, is neither done nor said anything that might help us through that period. he's too busy, trying to overturn the election he lost. and keeps losing, in court and in recounts. and yet again, as states officially certify the vote. seriously. he once said we would get tired of all the winning. he, clearly, never gets tired of all the losing. he keeps losing the 2020 election, again, and again and again. late today, wisconsin made joe biden's victory official there and earlier today, arizona did the same. >> we do elections well, here in arizona. the system is strong.
>> that's doug ducey, the state's republican governor. at about the same time, the president's legal team, led by the diehard rudy giuliani and, yes, that's dye, they were meeting with a group of gop state lawmakers pushing all the same unfounded allegations, that judges, including trump appointees, simply are not buying. and the president, lapping it up. tweeting, trump legal team in arizona and on oann now. big stuff. enjoy. enjoy? really? he's, literally, trying to overturn the election, in public. enjoy? as if watching him and his enablers sowing doubt in democracy, at the height of a pandemic, in a country as divided as it's been in generations is just like watching hoda and kathy lee getti getting tiddly on chardonnay. he lives on this stuff.
even if it's in a state, georgia, with two republican senators defending seats in upcoming, runoff elections, that will decide which party controls the senate. even undermining faith there, where his party needs all the votes they can get. >> and they had electoral officials making deals, like this character in georgia who is a disaster. and the governor's done nothing. he's done absolutely nothing. i'm ashamed that i endorsed him. >> that's the president, over the weekend, lashing out at georgia republican secretary of state, who has received death threats for doing his job. this is a trump supporter, by the way. a trump voter, he says. so is his boss, brian kemp. and just take a minute to consider how little regard the president has for governor kemp's duty to the people in his state. it, pretty much, boils down to i did something for him. now, he owes me. a quid pro quo, you might say. here is the tweet. why won't governor brian kemp, the hapless governor of georgia,
use his emergency powers which can be easily done to overrule his obstinate secretary of state and do a match of signatures on envelopes. it will be a goldmine of fraud and we will easily win the state. keep in mind, asking governor kemp to do something he does not have the authority to do. oh, and another thing. there is no evidence of widespread fraud. none. a lifelong republican, the president hired him and then fired him for saying things like this about the election. >> and just look at what happened in georgia. georgia has machines that tabulate the vote. they, then, held a hand recount. and the outcome was consistent with the machine vote. >> and that tells you what? >> that tells you that there was no manipulation of the vote on the machine-count side. and so, that, pretty thoroughly, in my opinion, debunks some of these sensational claims out
there, that i've called nonsense and a hoax. that there is some hacking of these election vendors and their software and their systems, across the country. it's -- it's just -- it's nonsense. >> that's what a career public servant sounds like. and here's what one of the lawyers trying to overturn the election for the president sounds like. who told radio talk show host howie karr today, this about chris krebs. this guy is a class-a moron. he should be taken out at dawn and shot. that's a former u.s. attorney, a member of the bar, making death threats -- death threats against a former, public servant. death threats. more on that, shortly. as for what he is peddling in terms of evidence, we have yet to see one scintilla of evidence from the president or his legal team that has convinced a single court that this was anything but a joe biden victory. take that away and what have you
got? for the president, little more than this. i was winning when they started counting. yet, i was losing when they finished. that's unpossible. that's it. that's all. and, if that sounds too outlandish, that a president would not know what his advisers, what the pundits, what most voters and election-night viewers know, that this is how elections work. well, listen to how the president explains it. >> and what happened, if you watched the election, i was called by the biggest people, saying congratulations. political people. congratulations, sir, you just won the election. it was 10:00, and you looked at the numbers, and i'm sure you felt that way. this election was over. and then, they did dumps. and they did these massive dumps of votes, and all of a sudden, i went from winning by a lot to losing by a little. >> which is how it actually worked out. no fraud. no conspiracy. just counting votes. and by the way, the 6 million votes he is currently losing by is not a little. more, now, from cnn's gjim acosa
who joins us from the white house with some breaking news, jim. >> yeah. john, the president's fraud claims, they are the biggest fraud of them all. i talked to a couple trump advisers this evening about the certification news in wisconsin and in arizona. and, according to these advisers, the president is fully aware. he fully understands that he has lost this election. i asked one adviser, does the president understand he has been defeated? is th this adviser said, quote, yes, he does. he sees the writing on the wall. so, strip away what the president is tweeting. strip away what he is saying to fox news, he understands he has lost this election now. as to what is going on inside the president's head, this adviser said, listen, he still believes there's some way he could win. he still wants to believe that he can win. but, when he is talking to his advisers, privately, he is conceding to them, if not conceding to the public, that he has lost this election. >> not sure that's a comfort. that he knows he's lost, even
though he is trying to undermine democracy and overturn the results. meantime, jim, dr. scott atlas, president trump's controversial coronavirus adviser has resigned. what are you learning about that? >> he has resigned. he tweeted out a self-serving lert letter, a few moments ago. won't read that. but essentially, handed his letter of resignation into the president. sources confirming to myself and kaitlan collins over here at the white house and dr. scott atlas has resigned. i talked to a member of the crow task force earlier about this that said this is welcome news. his controversial views about herd immunity and so on, will no longer have a seat at the table. and this coronavirus task force is still up and running here at the white house, despite the hits it's taken over the last several months, it remains intact, according to a white house official. but, no question about it, somebody who believed in herd immunity. somebody who was espousing those views anywhere -- anywhere he
could, is no longer on this task force. and, you know, that is something that is being welcomed by people on the task force, itself, tonight, john. >> jim acosta, thanks so much for the reporting. really appreciate it. joining us now, josh dawsey, who shares the byline on this gripping look inside the white house, as the president struggles with and resists the reality of losing an election. quoting now. sequestered in the white house and brooding out of public view after his election defeat. rageful, and at times delirious. like mad king george, muttering, i won, i won, i won. josh dawsey joins us now along with cnn correspondent, abby phillip. josh, i have to say. the president attacking the republican governor of arizona. the republican governor of georgia. suggesting the doj and fbi are in on some scam to rig the election. you have done this deep dive. talked to so many people inside
the white house. what have you learned? >> yeah. the president is particularly frustrated with brian kemp, the governor of georgia. he believes he made brian kemp's political career by endorsing him. as we reported in our story this weekend, he called kemp recently and for not helping him more in georgia. he is also unhappy with ducey, in arizona. what happened essentially is the president thought he was going to win these states. as election results came in election night, he becauwas wat the results and he believed he was going to win. and then, more and more ballots came in and he clearly did not win some of these states that have been certified. they've lost case after case after case, in state after state after state. and they are making a lot of these arguments on, you know, fox news and oann and other channels. but when they are actually in front of a judge and are being asked to provide evidence, they have not been able to do it. and one of the things we
reported in our piece, john, is that rudy giuliani, sydney powell, and some of the other lawyers. you know, the trump campaign lawyers have said, if you have evidence of these things, let us know. like, we'll help you make these arguments. and they've not been able to -- they've not been able to provide them. >> yeah. it's amazing. they are getting different stories under oath than places like oann. even though they were clear eyed about his loss, they indulged him and encouraged him to keep fighting. is there anyone around him, now, who is being realistic? because jim acosta is reporting now that the president's seeing the writing on the wall. >> well, i think if you talk to most of the people around the president, they realize that he is not going to win this election. they realize it's over. they're working on, you know, a speech for him to give before he leaves. he is never going to concede that he lost. but in their mind, the president has a powerful legacy. three supreme court judges. he got more votes than any other republican. he got more minority votes than any other republican has. and they wanted to tout these accomplishments and leave less
of a sore loser and more toward kind of a victory of sorts, even though he locket. so far, he's not been able to go along with that. i mean, those conversations have not really gone anywhere because he still wants to fight. it's a two-pronged reason, really, john. one is just it's just his pugilistic instinct just to fight. the other is he is raising money for his pac, his political future. the field in 2024. and he is still getting a lot of media attention, a lot of coverage. a lot of -- you know, he's still in the spotlight. and i think for the president, right now, unlike the people around him, he doesn't see much advantage to quit this, yet. >> use that money for parties at mar-a-lago and fly around the country, at will. abby, it's amazing we can all take for granted something josh just said that, which is the president will never concede. how this undermines democracy and the long-term impact. the short-term impact. what does this mean for georgia, right? the president keeps attacking republican officials in georgia.
is it possible that, that attack might depress republican vote in that state, where he needs them to turn out on january 5th in those runoffs? >> yeah, i think it is definitely possible. and we're already seeing republican officials kind of raising the alarm about this. whether it's the rnc chairwoman, ronna mcdaniel, who kind of had to battle these -- flying misinformation coming at her from trump supporters. who say, you know, they think the whole thing is still rigged. you know, one of the most interesting talking points that has come out of all of this is the georgia secretary of state making the point, several weeks ago, that president trump's attacks on mail-in voting, between the primary in georgia and the general election in georgia, have effectively resulted in -- in fewer republicans voting for the president in the general election. and he basically made the point that the president should not have discouraged his own people from utilizing mail-in voting because they were willing to do it, in the last election. and they would have voted for
him. so, i think a very similar story could be playing out for the january runoffs where there is a depressive effect of all of this talk about a rigged election. those same dominion machines that the president keeps vilifying? yeah, well, they're probably going to be used in the next election, as well. and now, the president is claiming it's all rigged. this has got to be a real-nightmare scenario for republicans, who are desperately trying to get out the vote in an election that is all about turnout. it's not about persuasion, at all. >> abby, can i ask you a question i have probably asked you a half dozen times since november 3rd. where is mitch mcconnell? i mean, how much longer can mitch mcconnell let this happen? attacks on republican governors, not to mention death threats from the president's lawyers on government or ex-government officials. i mean, how much longer can mcconnell let this just sit out there? >> yeah. it's such a good question because a lot of the rationale for mcconnell's silence and kind of a passive allowance of the president's comments were that president trump needed to gin up
his supporters for january, right? if president trump could get his people worked up and out to the polls in january, they could win these two seats. the question is, is that still true now? when the president might be effectively depressing republican turnout, by convincing his supporters that the whole thing is rigged. i think there are some real questions about what the strategy is here for mcconnell. i think his strategy, right now, seems to be complete silence. but there is a point at which there are diminishing returns for this sort of thing. obviously, diminishing returns for the country, for sure. but certainly, for republicans, even if they are looking at the short-term need that they have, which is to get republicans out for those january runoffs. >> does brian kemp, josh, doug ducey, do they feel real pressure here? is brian kemp tempted to break the law in the state of georgia, and do what the president says? >> well, one of the through lines, so far, john, has been that one of these republicans, in states when they felt pressure from the president in
michigan, wisconsin, arizona, and georgia, have not caved. have really stuck with what the law says and what the numbers say. you know, ducey and kemp, neither one have -- have given in to call a special -- emergency powers or to do what the president has wanted. you know, the president has called a lot of these different governors and asked them to get more involved. and, you know, so far, in pennsylvania, in georgia, in arizona, in wisconsin, in michigan, you're not really seeing the kind of involvement that the president and his team would like. you are seeing these governors certify results. these secretaries of state certify results. you know, they do these rigorous recounts of the ballots. and then, once the recounts are done and the legal challenges are done, to certify. >> josh dawsey, we appreciate you being with us. terrific reporting. abby phillip, appreciate you being with us as well. terrific reporting as always. next, dr. sanjay gupta, and dr.
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and william haseltine, formerly of harvard medical school and the school of public health. he is author of many books, including "my lifelong fight against disease, polio, aids, and covid-19." your reaction to scott atlas leaving the white house, leaving the coronavirus task force? >> well, i've said before, he just wasn't helpful. he was harmful. two issues i think we have learned about the past year, the benefits of mask, and not pursuing herd immunity, were things he was opposition to just about everyone on the task force. he would say he wasn't really advocating herd immunity, but all his comments would suggest otherwise. you know, i think it's unfortunate because, as has been suggested, not just by me, i think he gained the president's ear because he was just reflecting what the president was saying, as opposed to offering -- offering up a
science-based proposal. so, you know, deborah birx essentially said she would not sit in task force meetings with him, anymore. that's how disruptive his presence had become. >> quite a legacy. so, sanjay, health and human services secretary, alex azar, said this morning, if all goes well, the first people to get the pfizer or moderna vaccine may be able to do so, before christmas. so, just in the simplest terms, walk us through this process and what comes next. >> yeah. so there's vaccines -- some vaccine that's been manufactured. some of it will be distributed, is my understanding. december 10th. this is not preordained yet. but december 10th, there will be this meeting where they essentially make this recommendation as to whether or not this vaccine is authorized. if it is, then there is a certain amount of vaccine that is available, and will continue to be produced on a rolling sort of basis. if both these vaccines from moderna and pfizer are
authorized within december, should be available. it's two doses, so that would be 20 million people. january, another 50 million doses. i mean, you can -- you can look at the calendar here. it's going to be sort of this rolling basis of production. now, one thing i are say is that, you know, we're sort of presenting a scenario, where everything goes as people hope it will. they have to manufacture this vaccine. they have to distribute it. we've talked about how difficult the distribution is, for example, with cold storage. but, even manufacturing at this sort of scale. it's got to go through all these safety checks, john, before it's actually released. if there is a problem with the batch, then, all of a sudden, that timeline we presented could actually get -- get delayed, a bit. so, that's sort of roughly how things are looking like they might shake out, though. >> so, professor haseltine, you have been on this program since the beginning of the pandemic. big picture, what are your thoughts tonight on all these developments on the vaccine front, the distribution, but also the news today from moderna? you know, their vaccine, they say, 94% effective.
100% effective against severe cases. >> that's nothing but good news. if the story pans out, as these preliminary reports suggest. the issue is we haven't seen the data, yet. but, i expect that the data will support their claims. that's really good news. but there's things we don't know about the vaccine. how long it lasts, for example. what are the long-term side effects, for example. and already, there is confusion as to how the vaccine is actually going to be used. when it will be rolled out, how many people will get it, who will get it. you know, because scott atlas is gone doesn't mean leadership is back. we need leadership to have uniform policies, across the united states, which we have never had in this pandemic. and we need it now, more than ever. when there is something that really can be done, we need to make sure it's done fairly, it's done uniformly, and it's done
properly. and that takes strong, federal leadership. and that is something i worry about. you're already seeing different people in the administration saying it's going to be this date. it's going to be that date. it's going to be these people who get it first. and it's going to be those people who get it first. the actual fact is it's up to the states to decide how to distribute this vaccine. and to whom. and it can vary, enormously, from state to state, and even, in some cases, from city to city. so, we're in just the beginning. it's great news but let's make the best of a good story. >> to what extent do the answers to these questions or does your decision, whether you will, personally, take the vaccine hinge on the answers to those questions? >> it depends, i think, for many people. we need to see the data. the doctors, who are going to be administering the vaccines, need to see the data which they haven't seen, yet. i would like to see the data, on longer-term effects. but many people are,
understandably, eager to take the vaccine before we know the full benefit. there are possibilities, for example, that it will be a sh t short-lived vaccine, and people will drop precautions. i argue for a two-step progress -- program. one, in which we begin to transit to a vaccine, but we increase our vigilance in this terrible pandemic, which is now upon us. >> look. we need to be vigilant, for sure, over the next several months. there is no question about that. sanjay, one other piece of news from mowderna when they release their information today. they said their vaccine was designed in just two days, back in january. it took them two days to design the vaccine. i have no idea what to even make of that. how should we interpret that? >> yeah. it's -- it's pretty remarkable. i mean, you know, it's a different -- totally different way of thinking about vaccines. i mean, you know, it's almost like you think about this more like generating computer code, rather than medicine in lab. and you can -- and you can take
a look at the calendar. you know, the timetable, very fast. they get the genetic sequence. they basically say, okay, we're going to create a portion of the virus. what's called a spike protein. and get the genetic sequence of that, particular portion of the virus. not the whole virus. essentially, you know, the -- the idea was that, once you've got that, that's -- that's the vaccine design. you can basically give just a genetic sequence. and then, the body starts making spike protein, over and over again. and then, the body says, oh, there is a lot of spike protein here. so let's make the antibodies to that spike protein. so, essentially, it turned the body into its entirely own vaccine-making machine, in a way. it's superfast and i think that makes some people nervous. but this story didn't just begin this year. some of the basics of this technology have been around for a long time. you know, even going back to sars days. so, in many ways, this was building on a lot of existing knowledge. >> well, look, professor haseltine, i have to say, this is a triumph of science, the likes of which i'm not sure i have seen in my lifetime.
sanjay, professor haseltine, thank you so much for being with us. appreciate it. more breaking news coming up. as we reported at the top of the program, a lawyer associated with the trump campaign tells a radio call-in show that chris krebs, fired by president trump as the nation's cybersecurity chief for saying the election was secure. that he, now, ought to be shot. that's when "360" continues. when it comes to autism, finding the right words can be tough. finding understanding doesn't have to be. we can create a kinder,
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a radio call-in show that a man the president fired for saying the election was secure, not to put too fine a point on it, should be executed. the lawyer said the official should be drawn and quarterered and taken out at dawn and shot. he was referring to christopher krebs, the former cybersecurity chief who said there were zero problems with election security, as far as he was concerned. president trump hailed him in a tweet back in november. rudy giuliani, joseph digenova, victoria toensing, sydney powell, and jenna ellis. joining me now, myles taylor, another former dhs official who is close friend of chris krebs. and myles, i just want to start with you and, look, i don't want to overamplify what was a public death threat against chris
krebs. but you're a friend of his. how do you see him taking this? that a lawyer of the president is calling on him to be executed for telling the truth? >> well, look. i'll say this, john. chris krebs is a wonderful public servant. and anyone who speaks out against a sitting president is going to face a rough-and-tumble time and i think chris was probably prepared for that. but, look, this is a man with a family who did a good job. all right. what was chris's crime here? he spoke the truth. he simply said that, based on the job he had in the trump administration, that the election was secure. and now, he and his family have to face the tumult of this kind of violent rhetoric out there because he is simply speaking the truth. my concern here is not only what happened to chris but the broader culture of intimidation that's been created by this president and by this administration that has resulted in this. we saw it during impeachment with people like alexander
vindman and fiona hill. we saw it when steve bannon recently suggest that dr. fauci be beheaded for simply speaking the truth. and the president, himself, has suggested people like the intelligence-community whistle-blower, he's insinuated, rather, that people like that be hung. i've experienced it, myself, john. in speaking out against the president, you know, i now have to have a protective detail because of the threats that have emanated from that. >> we just got the sound in. so let's listen to what he said. >> anybody who thinks that this election went well, like that idiot, krebs, who used to be the head of cybersecurity. >> the guy on 60 minutes last night. >> that guy is a class-a moron. he should be drawn and quartered. taken out at dawn and shot. >> gloria, that's not -- >> no, that's disgraceful. it's disgusting. there is no bottom here. it's beneath contempt, john. i mean, you know, joe digenova
may try to come out and say, oh, that was just a joke. but it wasn't a joke. this was a threat. and what was he threatening mr. krebs for? trying to procure a safe election for this country? defending the work of tens of thousands of workers out there at ballots, who have been counting and recounting, and making sure that every single vote is counted? officeholders across state and local across the country, who have done their jobs to try and make sure this election was safe. what should -- what -- what would even, you know -- why would joe digenova even say something like this? and there is only one answer to that, which is that he is playing to an audience of one, who likes when people say something like that, and that's the president. >> i will say, though, as we just learned from myles, who has a security detail now. it has an impact beyond the audience of just one. >> it does. >> gloria, i will ask you what i think is the question.
maybe, the one question left that hasn't been answered over the last-nearly month, now. where is mitch mcconnell? where is mitch mcconnell? how can mitch mcconnell listen to this sound, listen to the president's lawyer, threatening a public official like that and continue to remain silent? >> and -- and by the way, this is a -- this is a person who is demeaning what mitch mcconnell does, which is serve the public. senators are supposed to serve the public. and with his silence, mitch mcconnell is not doing that. what he's thinking about is the short term. he is thinking about georgia. he's thinking about winning two senate seats, and keeping the majority in the senate. he doesn't want to poke the bear. the bear, being the president of the united states. but, what is happening, as a result, is that the republican party is being ripped apart, at the seams. and you have people, now, in georgia saying, you know what? why should i vote?
republicans, saying this, because it's all rigged. and so, the republican party, you've got people who are saying -- republican officeholders, saying we conducted a fair election. and then, you've got other people saying, well, you know, they're criminals. they're morons. it's -- it's -- it's just absurd and it's not only ripping the republican party apart, i'm afraid it's ripping the country apart, john. >> so, myles, again, if you are keeping score at home, over the last 24 hours, the president has attacked the republican governor of georgia, the republican governor of arizona. he suggested the doj and the fbi are, somehow, in on some kind of a fix. and now, his lawyer is suggesting that a public servant, who said that the election was fair, be shot. that's an incredible string of things to happen, in one day. >> it is, john. and -- and you've got to look, though, even beyond this day. we've got a washington, d.c.
that's now filled with rhetoric from this president about good public servants being hung, quartered, shot, attacked. all right. washington, d.c. has become medieval times, under donald trump. people, also, say it's become crazy town. but -- but -- but this rhetoric has jumped the track -- tracks into violence, such that these people, who are simply trying to do their jobs and serve their country, have to actually fear for their lives and their families. and it's not just in the washington, d.c. bubble. as you note, john, down in georgia, we've got people like the georgia secretary of state and others who are on the receiving end of really vile and disgusting death threats because they've gone out and told the american people and voters the truth about this election. which is, that it was safe, it was the most secure in modern history, and that what the president is claiming about it is factually incorrect. but now, we've stepped so far beyond the pail that it's difficult to see how we come back from this. and -- and -- and, look. we're going to hear, i'm sure,
within hours, that the president's lawyer denies this. and as gloria said, he might suggest that he was merely joking. but when we live in an environment where the president can crowd source violence with a tweet, it doesn't have to be that his lawyer goes out and kuktds t conducts the attack. it's that this mob, the social media mob, amplifies this and creates danger for those who speak out against the presiden and tell the truth. >> what was his crime, chris krebs? saying that the election was fair. imagine that. myles taylor, gloria borger, thanks so much for being with us tonight. >> thanks, john. >> coming up. incumbent georgia senator, david perdue, the justice department was investigating his trades at the outset of the coronavirus pandemic. we'll also speak with his democratic opponent in that january 5th runoff, jon ossoff. how about no
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back at any attempts to overturn the election. state law prohibits his interference in the election. in a news conference, brad raffensperger said, quote, truth matters. all this, as new reporting from "the new york times" has put incumbent, georgia senator, david perdue, under a microscope. the paper says the justice department has been examining stock trades by the senator of a company where he once served on the board. cnn's kyung lah has the latest. >> every time he has said he's not personally responsible for profiting from this pandemic, he's been lying to you. perdue's misconduct is repeated and flagrant. >> reporter: jon ossoff is on the attack, against republican incumbent david perdue. from this news conference to appearances on sunday-political shows, to a new ad. >> he was getting classified briefings about the pandemic.
but, instead of him being concerned about us, he off selling stock. >> reporter: the latest attacks from ossoff target the timing of senate perdue's sales of more than a million dollars worth of stock from atlanta-based financial company where perdue was once a board member. in e-mails obtained by "the new york times," cardlytics ceo at the time, e-mailed the senator. david, i know you are about to do a call with david evans. as an fyi, i have not told him about the upcoming changes. senator perdue responded, i don't know about a call with david or the changes you mentioned. the cardlytics ceo e-mailed back the next morning. david, sorry, that e-mail was not meant for you. wrong david. an e-mail mixup. but the next day, on january 23rd, financial-disclosure forms show perdue sold between 1 to 5
million in cardlytics stock. six weeks later, cardlytics stock plummeted, when the ceo announced he was stepping down, forecasting disappointing earnings. stock at $29 a share, financial disclosures show perdue bought back between 100 to $250,000 worth of cardlytics stock. cardlytics, this week, is trading at around $120 a share. perdue defended his investment history during the general campaign. noting that he's never been charged with a crime. >> in the department of justice, the scc, and even the bipartisan ethics committee cleared him completely. >> reporter: but the investigations dog the senator, politically. this moment, in the only debate between perdue and ossoff ahead of the november election went viral. >> it's not just that you're a crook, senator. it's that you're attacking the
health of the people that you represent. >> reporter: and it's not just perdue. georgia's other republican incumbent, kelly loeffler, is fending off accusations by her challenger as well. investigated loeffler's sale of between 1 to $3 million in stock. ahead of the virus's impact on the markets. the doj did not file charges, and the senate-ethics panel dismissed its investigation. as for perdue, his campaign says accusations of insider trading are baseless accusations. nothing more than lies to push a categorically-false narrative for political gain. >> these investigations were closed, without charges. >> well, the standard for conduct for a u.s. senator needs to be higher than that he wasn't criminally prosecuted. this conduct is obviously, deeply unethical. >> reporter: kyung lah, cnn, atlanta. >> our thanks to kyung.
now, we reach out directly to senator perdue's campaign. cardlytics did not respond to request for comment, nor did kelly loeffler. jon ossoff. i spoke to him just before airtime. mr. ossoff, you say that the standard for a u.s. senator needs to be higher than simply senator perdue wasn't criminally prosecuted. so, what should that standard be? and what do you say to people who say the fact that the justice department isn't charging him may be exculpatory? >> well, the facts are that senator perdue, while he had access to classified information about covid-19, was, at the same time, telling the public it was no deadlier than the flu. and buying up shares in producers of vaccines and medical equipment, in private. all year, his excuse has been that he doesn't handle his own stock trades. but what federal investigators found is that he was personally
directing stock trades. whether or not senator perdue has been indicted is not the point. and that's a pretty low bar for conduct by a sitting u.s. senator. he's been enriching himself, in office, while blocking financial relief for the people he represents. and lying about it, all year long. >> so president trump going to georgia to campaign for both senators in that state. what impact do you think that will have? >> well, i mean is the president bringing stimulus for families here? is he bringing relief for small businesses, or is he just going to be spreading covid-19? i think the most interesting thing is that senator david perdue, when he's behind closed doors with republican establishment donors, has been complaining that opposition to the president in georgia is what forced him into a runoff and that the ambiguity about whether the president's going to accept the results putting him in a
tough position. he's griping about the president in private, but in public he's out here indulging the president's fantasy that he actual actually won. he's going to have to make a decision soon which way it is. >> the president today attacking the republican governor of georgia, brian kemp. what impact do you think that will have? >> it's this same disarray where you've got perdue in private complaining about trump, perdue in public calling for the resignation of the republican secretary of state. the bottom line is that david perdue felt entitled to re-election in a walk, and i expected the apparatus of voter suppression in georgia to keep the lid on the pot. but the will of the people boiled over, and the president was defeated here, and perdue forced into a runoff. and if folks want to help us continue to build that kind of momentum and get out the vote, i'm asking them to go to ele electjon.com and finish the job. >> some people say president trump attacking the system, the
georgia electoral system, may depress republican turnout. to what extent are you hoping for that? >> well, i want everyone to participate in our democracy. what i want to stop are these attacks on voting rights because that is fundamentally what this is. represent that senator lindsey graham was actually pressuring georgia's secretary of state to discard legitimate ballots to try to throw the state for the president, and it was black turnout in georgia that delivered this state for biden and forced perdue into a runoff. so these attacks on the process are on an attack on black voters, and that cannot stand. >> joe biden's not on the ballot january 5th. to what extent are you concerned that that might depress some of that democratic turnout you were just talking about? >> i'm not concerned because what's on the ballot is whether or not this incoming administration will be able to
confront this pandemic and resource the public health experts, rush direct financial relief to families and businesses, and invest in economic recovery. the bottom line is if mcconnell keeps the senate, he's going to try to do to biden and harris just like he tried to do to president obama. it will be obstructionism, government shutdowns. he will prevent the passage of the kind of major covid relief bill that we need. we need effective government, not paralysis in a crisis like this. >> that sounds, though, like you're making an argument that the election should be nationalized, that it's about more than just georgia. >> look, i'm just speaking candidly about the stakes. the stakes in georgia are extraordinarily high. the stakes for the nation are extraordinarily high. i call things like i see them. these races are so important because they will determine whether or not this incoming administration can govern at a moment when we desperately need good government, when the senate has already been holding up
desperately needed relief for six months. this is about families, businesses, jobs, and lives, not the partisan circus in washington, not which side is up, which side is down, but whether people survive this crisis both in terms of their health and their literal survival and the economic catastrophe that has befallen so many families and businesses in georgia. >> jon ossoff, we thank you for joining us tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you so much. just ahead, we just obtained dr. scott atlas' resignation letter. details when "360" continues. with allstate, you can really save.
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new garlique healthy blood pressure formula helps maintain healthy blood pressure with a custom blend of ingredients. i'm taking charge, with garlique. earlier in the broadcast we reported the breaking news that president trump's top covid adviser, controversial neuroradiologist with no background in epidemiology, has resigned. we now have the resignation letter from dr. scott atlas, which contains some frankly unbelievable claims. for instance, he writes, as you know, i always relied on the latest science and evidence without any political considerations or influence. last month twitter removed an atlas tweet that read, masks work? no. earlier this month he urged michigan to, quote, rise up, unquote, against covid restrictions. later in the letter, dr. atlas also writes, these views were in
agreement with many of the world's top epidemiologists and medical scientists. dr. anthony fauci is one of the world's top infectious disease specialists. he and others have criticized atlas' lack of expertise. a month ago dr. fauci told "the washington post," quote, he keeps talking about things that when you dissect it out and parse it out, it doesn't make any sense. a reminder. don't miss full circle, anderson's digital news show. you can catch it streaming line at 6:00 p.m. eastern. the news continues. let's go to chris for cuomo prime time". i am chris cuomo and welcome to "prime time." i hope you all made some good thanksgiving memories. i hope you were able to keep perspective in a difficult time and avoid any potential nightmares. now we are back, and we are having a collective reset. we have a new leader coming into office. we have new problems that are coming