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it will apply for emergency use authorization next week. the clinical trial results released this morning show johnson & johnson, their candidate works, but it's not as effective as other vaccines that are currently available. the phase three trial results found it was 66% effective in preventing moderate and severe covid disease and was 85% effective against severe disease. the pfizer and moderna vaccines, each crier double doses, 95% effective against moderate and severe illness. more troubling of johnson & johnson's results when it comes to the south african variant. a more infection strain found in south carolina. 57% effective on this variant where nearly all of the trial cases involved this variant, should say effective in south africa, nearly all of those cases involved that variant. also, dr. anthony fauci predicting today the coronavirus first discovered in the uk may become the dominant strain here
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the u.s. by end of march. all of these mutations, fauci emphasized can be stopped or slowed by increase in vaccinations. >> viruses cannot mutate if they don't replicate. the fundamental principle of getting people vaccinated as quickly and as efficiently as you possibly can will always be the best way to prevent the further evolution of any mutant, because when you do that, you prevent replication and replication is essential for mutation. >> joining me now to talk about this is primary care doctor, a public health special iist. what do you think about 66% effectiveness? >> i'm excited, brianne florida. we've been spoiled with results from pfizer and moderna which is 95% effective as you just mentioned.
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listen, this is still 85% effective in preventing severe disease and 100% effective in preventing deaths. the more vaccines, brianna, we have on the market the quicker we can vaccinate as many people. i always tell a lot of my patients, it's not necessarily just the number of vaccinations. it's the pace at which we vaccinate as many people as possible quickly, and one more thing about johnson & johnson which i think will be a huge game-changer, it's just one shot. so if we purchase 100 million doses, that's 100 million people that can be fully vaccinated and it doesn't require a cold chain supply. >> and so what do you make about the effectiveness when it comes to this south african variant? it's not quite as effective. still 57%. what do you think about that? >> you know, ultimately we're going to find out that
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unfortunately these strains, the brazilian and south african strain the uk strain, all of these variants unfortunately are more transmissible, and as a result of that, they get into our bodies quicker, and we have found out that pretty much for all of the vaccines, the efficacy on the strains will go down, but still it's effective. it's still effective in the sense it will work. it's not going to be like 95% effective but definitely do the job of makieing sure we break viral transmission. if you break viral transmission, you can prevent this mutation from rising left are and right. left and right. >> the fact it is one shot. not two shots. how important is that jp? something that make it is a more attractive vaccine. >> absolutely. my friends and patients say, doctor, which would you get? if i had a choice, still moderna and pfizer because of how
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effective it is snand the? nik chain can be changed to require if we need a booster shot. remember, johnson & johnson is an effective vaccine comparing it to moderna and pfizer still but 50% 60% is effective and most importantly we don't have enough of the moderna and pfizer. getting johnson & johnson into the mix we're going to be vaccinated millions of people, not only the u.s., really, all over the world. so i'm still optimistic and looking at the glass half full. >> yeah. it is certainly better than not being vaccinated. when you look, like you said. we're spoiled with this 95% effective rate of the other vaccines. i want to ask you while i have you about double masking. no specific cdc guidance listen to the leader of health metrics puts out the forecasting models the white house uses, says substantial lab evidence shows
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how well certain masks can protect the user. >> one of the layers being propylene -- does seem to be much more effective, for example, than, you know, quite substantially mon effective than single-ply masks. if double masking is a, a way towards that higher quality, a good seal around the nose and three-plied, that's a good thing. >> okay. how do we double mask, then? how much would you recommend it? >> especially now with these strains so transmissible and contagious. i've actually changed my personal habits. obviously i wear an n95 and face shield at work, but now even casual activities like going to the grocery store can be more dangerous because of how contagious these strains are. so, yes. i will wear a cloth mask and on top of that i'll wear a k and n95 mask.
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so we don't panic, most important there is a tight fit. that the mask fits you in a fashion where if you turn your head to the left are and right and up and down, that it's still a tight fit. you still can be able to breathe through it. i think it double masking is something that i would recommend moving forward. i'm not necessarily advocating that everybody go out and get an n95. i don't think we're going to have enough of that just yet. but a k n95 is available on amazon and it's important if wearing a cloth mask that it's actually at least three layers to offer you that protection. so it's important that we wear a mask and we wear a mask consistently, but the type of mask and the fit is what's going to be most important. >> thank you. so important to hear you walk us through that, dr. matthew. great to see you. >> thank you, brianna. regardless of the vaccine, there are still real concerns about racial and ethnic disparity brought to light by this pandemic.
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daily headlines show how devastating it has been to black and latino communities. the lack of vaccine access and availability growing issues. some lawmakers are demanding a racial breakdown who is getting the vaccine saying their constituents aren't eving the information they need to protect themselves. today a white house covid-19 adviser says the u.s. has to do everything possible to close the gap. joined by a professor of health behavior and health education as university of michigan school of public health and also associate faculty lead for, actually, sir, have you pause just for a moment while we take a look at joe biden from moments ago departing the south lawn of the white house. >> -- soldiers and sailors wounded and look at the vaccination procedure. i've been at walter reed a lot. i spent almost six months there myself as a patient. and -- in addition to that, as vice president, every single
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christmas we spent all of christmas day at walter reed. these kids are amazing, and thank god there's not as many people to visit, so all the people i'm seeing today who are being treated, more of them amputees, are people who, in fact, are retired but they're real heroes. then we're going to go see the vaccination distribution. so -- i -- spent a lot of time at walter reed. they're great americans. they're great people. nice to see you all. >> talking about the covid -- [ inaudible ]. >> i'm sorry? >> having covid relief in the budget reconciliation? >> i support passing covid relief with support from republicans if we can get it but covid relief has to pass. no ifs, ands or buts. thank you. >> and mr. president -- [ inaudible ]. >> all right. this is actually tape we've gotten as i bring arlette saenz
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in here to talk about this. president biden actually arrived now at walter reed. there is, here we are day nine, arlette and there's significance why he's visiting walter reed today. >> reporter: there is. you heard president biden and the first lady jill biden talking about the importance that the military and troops will play in their administration, but it also holds very personal significance for biden as well. you heard him talk about how he was actually treated at walter reed back in the 1980s, after an aneurysm, but also his late son beau biden was treated there in the waning days of his life. he spent about the final ten days of his life before passing from brain cancer over at walter reed. biden, when he was vice president, often sneaking up there to see his son in those final moments. so there is a very personal connection for him as he is traveling up to walter reed today and as he made clear and
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his wife made clear that military families and helping the troops is going to be a top priority for them. >> certainly is. a re-entry into this agenda of this white house. arlette, thank you for being with us. i want to bring back in now the conversation that was interrupted there by the president. not bad. you know, to be interrupted by the president, doctor. introducing you again, a professor of health behavior and health education at the university of michigan school of public health. i've been looking forward to this conversation to talk about what is so important, and that is the racial disparities we're seeing in so many levels when it comes to coronavirus. transmission, treatment, vaccination, access. there's actually a study that shows black people ages 35 to 44. very young. they're dieing at nine times the rate of white people the same age. so what is the best way to close this gap? >> well, thank you, brianna, for
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having me this afternoon. a pleasure to be on the show. we've got a lot of work to do. estimates of 1 in 800 black americans killed by covid-19 is really disturbing. we started out 1 in 10,000. or even higher than that, and the number has just been getting smaller and smaller. so i think what we have to do to be able to address that has to do with addressing structural inequities in health in our society. we know that there is differential access to opportunities that promote health in terms of having access to food and housing. financial security. the types of jobs that people are working. all of these things are root causes of some of the disparities that we see between african-americans and whites that need to be addressed.
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>> i wonder how you're thinking about the vaccines now that we know johnson a& johnson's will likely come online. look, 66% effective is pretty effective but not 95% effective like moderna and pfizer. should it be prioritized the more effective vaccines are going to higher-risk communities like black and latino americans? >> well, i think it's important that we think about that question. we want black americans and other people of color to enjoy the same levels of health as white americans, and other groups. but i think there are a number of important issues that have been mentioned, like dr. fauci recently and others, that have to do with, you know, trust and belief in whether it's safe to take the vaccine. people have reasons to mistrust or have doubts about the vaccine, and so i think even before we can address the issue
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of, you know, which one to take, we've got to think about what are the reasons that people are having hesitancy or doubts about taking the vaccine, and address those head-on. so having conversations with folks, and thinking about the policies and practices that have, you know, sort of got us into this situation in the first place. such that there's differential access to the vaccines and how people feel about taking it. >> yeah. no. it's so important. i hope to continue this conversation with you, doctor. this is going to be something that takes us all the way through this pandemic, no doubt. sir, thanks for being with us. >> absolutely. thank you, brianna. we're following breaking news on the capitol riot. the fbi now says the pipe bombs found january 6th were actually placed the night before outside of the rnc and dnc. we'll have details on the hunt for the suspect next. plus, u.s. airlines now
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pushing back on covid testing for dough mestic travel and mayf tampa joins me as those are set to come to her city for the super bowl. just announced masks will be mandatory outside.
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let's live in now to the president at walter reed. >> so great to see you. >> thank you. you as well. you're so welcome. >> i don't know how many trips we took together. >> mr. president, welcome to walter reed national military center, andrew barr director of the hospital my distinct honor and privilege to welcome you back to the president's hospital. >> well, you guys have been -- you -- have done a great deal
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for my family. with my son beau after a year in iraq, came back with blastoma, and you took care of him in his final days. great grace and dignity, and -- i spent six months with an aneurysm, embolism. great fun. and the docs are all right but the nurses are better. >> yes, sir. >> male and female. you know what i mean? >> absolutely. >> anyway, saved my life here. >> appreciate that. and chief -- >> that is the tape, brief tape from the white house press pool's president biden at walter reed. a note, you heard him say he was thanking them for helping his son beau biden, which he tied h blastoma, tied it to the
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toxic exposure in iraq there. following breaking news. cnn learns the pipe bombs found near the capitol on january 6th were chillily placed there the night before. what the fbi is saying. two pipe bombs discovered near democratic and republican headquarters on the day of the capitol insurrection. the fbi is releasing photos of this person, an unidentified suspect wearing a grace hooded sweatshirt, face mask and carrying a backpack and believe likely this is the person who planted the pipe bombs. a cnn law enforcement analyst and former lead bomb tech for the fbi in new york city. peter, you are the person to talk to about this. thank you so much for being with us. >> my pleasure. >> these bombs planted the night before the capitol riot. what does it tell you the fact it was done the night before? >> yeah. pre-planning involved in this. it wasn't just a whim. not a rioter that showed up to the capitol that morning and
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just seeded the two primary party headquarters with these devices. this was pre-planned, intentional and deliberate. >> they weren't decoys, right? these were real bombs. they were functional but they didn't go off. what does that tell you? >> they were -- it's assessed that they're real. obviously, there's an intent by this criminal, this terrorism bomber whatever terminology you want to use to actually have the devices function. why they didn't function to be determined. laboratory analysts from the fbi, subject matter experts are, how those, they'll have those reports ready to determine why they didn't function or maybe the timer wasn't necessarily set for that specific time, but they were viable devices and that should cause concern for all involved. >> they were discovered and then disarmed. if, say, they had exploded, how dangerous would they have been? >> it's kind of all relative. it's dangerous because it's a destructive device by law. it's something that explodes.
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which causies shock, black pressure. thermal and in a pipe bomb fragmentations. little metal fragments in the pipe as it explodes are flying through the air. anyone within the vicinity will be affected with pieces of that device lodging into their skin and into their body and their flesh. >> indeed. peter, thank you for talking to us about this. >> my pleasure, thank you. next, president trump directs his energy to taking down liz cheney. the powerful house republican who voted to impeach him. and several republicans seem to be getting onboard. plus, president biden said it's time to act now on a covid relief bill, but will pushing it through congress ruin his chances of bipartisan cooperation in the future?
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the state of georgia dramatically shaking up national politics this month and showing the vast political spectrum of the american divide. on one side conspiracy theories and lies. congresswoman marjorie taylor greene. tells and moderate republican beance outraged by her support of qanon and deeply offensive ideas that the parkland or sandy hook shootings were hoaxes. don't forget she won election with nearly 75% of the vote in rural virginia. contrast with the voters catapulting to democrat candidates for the senate altering balance of power in washington and not just any. the first black and jewish
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senators ever electeded in georgia with the help of stacey abram, former candidate for governor turned out hundreds of thousands of minority and democratic voters. if you're on the left, she's a hero. if you're on the right, she's a villain. also on display in georgia is the nationwide split in the republican party because when donald trump was trying to attack the results of a free and fair election, it was gop officials including many who voted for trump who stood up to him. georgia secretary of state raffensperger refused to find 11,000 votes despite a phone call from the president to do so and attacked mercilessly for keeping his backbone and ingrate intact. joining me what lessons should we take from what played out there this year?
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>> reporter: often a microcosm in the political landscape and you laid it out very well. there is a surge of participation in urban centers, in a state that is actually diversifying, because younger people of color are coming back into the state benefiting democrats, but then you have in marjorie taylor greene and her district the representation of the kind of increased, increasing isolation of certain parts of the republican party. more rural, more right, and more -- more farther, much further to the right than perhaps the mainstream of the republican party or the mainstream of american politics. i do think, though, this is where the battle is going play out. there are going to be battles over the future of voting in georgia, because republicans want to crack down on the trends that led to those two senate seats flipping to democrats, and then on top of that i think you're going to see even more so these, more conspiratorial ideas
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gaining purchase in the parts of the state that are pushing back against diversifying elements of the state that, that are more populist, more black, more brown, and that are more democratic. >> let's talk about this trump purity test that is kind of playing out in the gop, because the former president, former president trump is actually pushing allies in congress to go after republicans who voted for his impeachment, like liz cheney. we saw congressman matt gaetz, in her state yesterday, her district, holding a rally. what does this say about the divide that we're watching inside of the party right now? >> reporter: i mean, this is going to be the battle for the future and the soul of the republican party. do they want to be the party of liz cheney, or the party of matt gaetz or of donald trump or of even marjorie taylor greene? what's interesting is that you see, you know, the minority leader kevin mccarthy going down
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to florida and kissing the ring of president trump saying he wants to elect republicans but also rep pra marnding members saying cut it out. don't attack each other, but he's going and sort of paying fuelty to trump who made it very clear he wants to rid the republican party of republicans who don't support him. so they can't have it both ways. at some point they have to decide, do they want to be some kind of bigger tent republican party in which conservatives like liz cheney can exist, alongside folks like kevin mccarthy? or do they want to have only a trump party where you can only be a trump loyalist in order to be within that party? i think so far kevin mccarthy seems to want to walk that line, but he's not really doing a great job. it's pretty clear it's the trump wing he is siding with right now and that's going to push bpeopl line liz cheney out, add aam
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kinzinger out. hard to see one that doesn't include donald trump and donald trump jr. running the show of who gets to call a republican a republican these days. >> you will be working and i will watch you and wonderful. thank you for coming on. >> reporter: grab a cup of coffee. tune in. it will be great. >> i will. i will. thank you. yesterday we reported on missouri senator josh hawley's voting record in the new congress. senator hawley's office reached out to let me know i overstated the senator's political career in the missouri house when he criticized others for using their jobs as stepping-stones. correcting that. hawley was not an elected official before running for attorney general and criticized others for using their be jobs
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as stepping-stones. and what rural america needs to do to get vaccines to people who need them. inship cases, minivans. and president biden getting tough on russia in his first week in office. roll the tape how vladimir putin has gotten along with the last five presidents.
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vladimir putin a president, former prime minister, election meddler, shirtless rider of horses, and as of last week russia's point man now on his fifth american president and each relationship vastly different. roll the tape. tlc wanted no scrubs, backstreet boys wanted it that way, complaints over russia's military campaign in chechnya. a year later, moscow, discussing
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missile defense systems. fast-forward three months before 9/11. president george w. bush and putin meet in slovenia. the infamous chat when bush claimed this. >> looks the man in the eye. i found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. we had a very good dialogue. i was able to -- get a sense of his soul. >> two months after 9/11, bush invited putin to his texas ranch, agreeing to reduce their nuclear stockpiles. >> president broad range we're always grateful at the state of texas. >> another famous meeting included the 2007 visit in maine, the two fished and talked military defense systems. then the obama era, seven months after taking office president obama meets with putin in moscow. >> we think there's an excellent opportunity to put u.s.
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you-russian relations on a much stronger foot. >> this would lead to a new treaty agreeing to shrink nuclear stockpiles and 2012, infamous hot mic moment indirectly involving putin. >> yep. election -- [ inaudible ] yeah. >> now, conservatives jumped all over that, the administration said obama was referring to negotiations over the defense missile system. then after obama's reelections the relation was frostier than a wendy's treat. met in june 2013 at g3 summit, disagreed on the war in syria and later obama snubbed putin, retaliated, really, cancelling a meeting after russia granted asylum to edward snowden the former nsa contractor. follows years, g8 gave russia the boot for invasion of crimea.
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putin and obama talked about syria and ukraine, disagreed and two met in beijing at the g20 summit and failed to agree on a cease-fire deal with syria. also when obama said he told putin to cut it out interfering in the 2016 election. perfect transition to the trump presidency. putin and trump met at the g20 first time in germany. trump chatting him up during dinner next to melania trump. months later met on the sidelines of another summit and trump said he believed the former kgb agent on denials that he had interfered in america's election. >> what i said there i believe he believes that and nats very important for somebody to believe. i believe he feels he and russia did not meddle in the election. >> the statement after u.s. intelligence reported russia did in fact meddle. and to hurt hillary clinton
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leading to the most inif a moment between the u.s. president and putin. cowling to putin. his own intelligence community, when he said this -- >> i have great confidence in my intelligence people, but i will tell you that president putin be was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. >> trump was swiftly condemned back home denying he took the word of an adversary over word of the cia, nsa, fbi and director of national intelligence, but, of course, he did. that moment was just one that illustrated how soft president trump was on putin whether poisoning of opposition leader alexey navalny or telling the russians classified information inside the oval office or flat out ever refusing to ever
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directly criticize putin. putin's fifth u.s. presidency, last to acknowledge biden won the election as biden vows to be tough on russia. the two spoke first time since the inauguration and told they discussed arms control and ukraine and a number of other topics. for a preview of what to expect over the next four yes, here is one quote to keep in mind. evan osnos's biden biography describing a meeting in russia in 2011. "mr. prime minister i'm looking into your eyes and i don't think you have a soul." putin looked back at me and smiled. he said, "we understand one another." up next, the tampa mayor ordered manks be worn outside during the super bowl. she'll join us live to talk how they're planning to avoid the spread of covid with tens of thousands of people coming to town. urance for veterans like martin. when a hailstorm hit, he needed his insurance to get it done right, right away. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. usaa
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getting the covid-19 vaccine into the arms of americans is proving to be no simple tank and those obstacles are more overwenning for rural health care providers. sanford health system is one of those based in south dakota and sanford serves the far reaches of the upper midwest including small farming towns close to the canadian border. to reach those it notice in need of the vaccine sanford put together a fleet of vinminivans. we join them. >> not just talking about a few miles to a suburb. talking hundreds of miles. >> right. talking about hundreds of miles. >> reporter: in rural america, the journey to administering a covid-19 vaccine is a long one. >> our couriers travel many,
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many miles. our physicians are staff travel miles. many of the providers in those rural areas live there, but also we do send some out from other areas to meet the needs of that population. >> reporter: in minnesota the vaccine's journey starts with being packed up in coolers. constantly monitored for temperature. >> requirements for freezer temperature refrigeration temperature good five days once out of that ultra cold freezer. a piece of equipment monitoring the temperature during transport until they get to a refrigerator at their hospital. nice to play offense for a change. >> reporter: once secured and ready to go, the next step getting the minivan. and driving. snow or shine, these couriers are within a network responsible for covering hundreds of miles of road. this ride alone that we're following is just under 100 miles. all just to get vaccine in the
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position to be administered. this drive is going from this area eventually to a town called theeth river falls, minnesota. around 70 miles from the canadian border. nationwide rural americans live average ten miles from the nearest hospital and this region has the longest average travel time to the nearest one than any other part of the country akouding to pew research. these courier routes are within a larger network from sanford health that covers more than 200,000 square miles across multiple states anchors by just five locations drivers launch from that can actually store the vaccine for them. and when it arrives, fresh from the minivan, it's not flashy. it's just a guy in a jacket walking into a hospital with temperature-monitored coolers in his hands. but in a small town like thief river falls population around 9,000 it means everything.
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especially when they thought they avoided the pandemic, until they didn't. staff tell us most in-patients were covid patients in a town where everyone >> we've always thought, you know, that nobody dies alone. the family is a huge part of their care, their emotional and physical well-being, and then not being able to have them here. it's been the hardest thing. >> reporter: and these aren't just patients. you feel like they are part of your family? >> exactly. >> reporter: it's an awful feeling that skolarski hopes goes away forever. >> i hope with this vaccine we can get that back, you know. >> hi, welcome. come on in. >> i think it's something we in the past have really taken for granted, you know, to -- to walk into the hospital and visit our loved ones. >> reporter: and that same feeling of hope persists no matter the population density and no matter the distance as
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part of that long journey for the vaccine. even with that long journey in the northern minnesota region, for example, the hospital system has already been able to get two doses to over a thousand of their safe as part of the first phase distribution and now at least one dose to hundreds of patients, 65 and older as part of this new phase and distribution is the key here. it's part of why at least in bimdy they all partners to help get this out as efficiently as possible for when they get that supply in. >> omar jimenez for us. >> when football fans descend on tampa for the super bowl in over a week they best bring their masks and wear them. tampa's mayor signed an executive order that requires masks to be worn outside in the downtown area, the neighborhoods around the stadium and at tourist hot spots, but it may
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not be easy to convince all fans. these are pictures taken sunday when the bucs beat the packers, and there was not many masks that you can see, not a lot of social distancing going on so let's talk about this now with tampa's mary jame castor. mayor, this is huge. this is the first super bowl played before a crowd of home team fans. people are going to be so excited. do you really think they are going to comply with this? >> i do. i do believe that they will comply with this, and we have put a great deal of energy into communicating our fans that arrive in the world's greatest airport, tampa international, will hear my voice telling them of the mask requirement and how they can comply with that. we have thousands of volunteers and tens upon tens of thousands of masks that we are going to be giving out in those locations
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that we expect will have large gatherings of crowds, so we do anticipate that -- that there will be compliance with the mask order. >> so the nfl is allowing 22,000 fans inside the stadium. you know, that's a lot but not as much as it normally would be for this game. >> right. >> since it is though a home game for the bucs, what kind of crowds are you maybe planning for outside the stadium, and do you have concerns that, look, people are likely going to gather at their homes. they are going to want to be around with friends even people outside of their households perhaps. >> right. again, we are through social media communicating the importance, as we have, i tell everyone. i've asked everyone to wear a mask, somewhere in the ballpark of 5 million times, but we will continue that, small gatherings, keep it with your family, but the reality is we are making history. we either first team that is going to play in the super bowl in our own backyard and we're going to be the first team, the
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tampa bay buccaneers to hoist lombardi trophy in our backyard and people want to be a part of that and we understand that, but we're asking them to do it safely. simply wear a mask. >> and so, you know, i wonder are you sure that this isn't going to be a super spreader event at the stadium or even like a super spreader event and that people are gathering like they would for a holiday? >> definitely isn't going to be at the stadium. masks are required in there. there's going to be social distancing. we've taken all the steps and there's more control in the environment like the stadium, but clearly in those areas that large crowds are going to gather, you know, entertainment spots, along our river walk. we live in paradise here in tampa bay, so people want to be out and about, especially when their team is playing in the super bowl, but we have had good adherence despite those photos you saw of the bucs arriving, we have had great adherence to our
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hi there and thanks so much for being with me on this friday afternoon. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. let's start today with some encouraging news in the pursuit for more covid-19 vaccines. johnson & johnson is reporting the results of its vaccination trial. 66% effective in its global trial and 85% effective against severe disease and death, and i know you're sitting there thinking, oh, it's not quite as good as what we've seen in terms of efficacy from moderna and pfizer. well, yes, you are correct, but dr. anthony fauci says this vaccine though could be a game-changer

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