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question. why is the most sweeping legislation in decades to lift americans out of poverty just hours away from passing, but without any support from the right side of the aisle? the answer, meghan markle and a dollop of dr. seuss. let me argue. many of the rights parties constituents are struggling from a pandemic they long denied. with a president they want to lose, they are making a choice. duck real problem solving in favor of culture fights. be a true opposition party. one that opposes whatever it can as a proxy for getting anything done. they are simply against. and the top of the list is against owning the reality of racism. if that's not true, why else is there this markle madness on the right?
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why are they so concerned about this story and whether or not it's true? after four years of empowering the biggest liar in presidential history, now you have a thing for truth? doubtful. tonight the queen doesn't deny accusations of racism. against the royal family. in the family's first public statement since the bomb drops. but people here on the right continue to savage markle and her story. something struck a nerve with them. was it a multi-racial woman speaking out against an institutional white royal family? no, no it's not about that. what is it about that? the royals aren't questioning what she says about race being used against her by them. they don't deny her allegations about conversations with an unnamed someone questioning how
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dark the skin of the unborn child would be. so, why are so many here on the right fringe unable to accept the story? could it be that the opposition party is passing laws that disenfranchise minorities. that are all but a constructive fraud regarding election fairness. as their strategy to oppose racial progress. and to help their chances of winning elections. is it any better reason that now they don't want to help people out of poverty when they know a disproportionate number of the people are minority. though, there are way more poor white folks who are also going to be caught up in their opposition obsession. is this why this notion of just be against. is this why they would rather debate books i have never heard of from dr. seuss. than deal with the reality of january 6th.
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a white supremacist terror attack about which they have decided to spin a tail stranger than anything seuss ever wrote. let's take this idea to the better minds. van jones and natasha alford, thank you both. you are new to the show. i'll give you a chance to say i'm wrong first. what do you make of the suggestion i don't get why political actors on the right in america care so much about markle's story. even after the royals decided not to question it. in substance. >> i think doubting racism is almost an american past time. it makes people feel better about the sins of the country. and it allows them to continue to do nothing. and in this case, we see that steven miller a former trump adviser was very quick to dismiss and deflect from what she said in the interview.
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i think that reflects a general approach of the gop. when it comes to racism. we saw this with donald trump and charlottesville. playing both sides. the proud boys telling them to stand back and standby. the reality is that that struggle of racism and the empathy required too truly understand it. that doesn't play nicely to their base. they want to play to people who feel victimized by actually having to hear margin alized people they never had to listen to before. that i have want to play to people who don't want to change. it's not surprising to me. >> look at it, the laws across the country will catch up white and republican voters too. especially early voting. but it will effect minorities. this will this pandemic relief bill disproportionately effects
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minorities. you are looking to find common ground. what is the common ground in going after meghan markle? >> this is the worst nightmare for a lot of people who are on the racial right. first of all, it turns out there's a queen who has a lot of power. her name is oprah. she's the queen. >> they go after oprah. who does that? >> you know you're desperate. you're in bad shape going up against the real queen. and what does that suggest? it suggests that a woman of color who goes into an institution, who doesn't go along with the script of you're going to have to put up with whatever you have to put up and grin and bare it. be loyal to an institution not loyal to you. not only can that woman of color say not this time, i'm not going along with it.
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she can also bring in another woman of color to fire can cannon balls back across the ocean. that are hitting harder than the british tabloids on the global stage. i don't understand the titles and listen, other people are saying some things were not accurate. from a deeper point of view of the nightmare for black women has been, i'm going to get in the institutions and be mistreated and have no recourse and nobody will care about me. meghan becomes somebody who went in and stood up for herself and becomes a hero. the nightmare is somebody will do this and get away with it. meghan markle is getting away with it. and you're having a reaction. >> i would love to be wrong about it. because i really want us to be better than this. just if it's so off, i know on the right they are savaging me now. why did trump say this last year?
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>> i'm not fan of hers. and i would say this, she's probably has heard that. but i wish a lot of luck to harry. he's going to need it. >> it's such a racist sexist caricature. make her out to be a bully, aggressor. who can't be controlled. and seem as if harry is somehow at her whim somehow. >> give him a break. he couldn't have his go to, he couldn't make fun of how she looks. he was working with what he had. the bully thing. and a racial under play. he can't say look at her she's ugly. can't do that with meghan markle. >> so many black women and women of color experience these types
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of micro aggressions in the workplace. and we're told that you can come into the room but remember that you are not one of us. you can be celebrated as a dutchess. don't get too comfortable or expect the same exact treatment someone else gets for their child. >> don't complain. be happy that we let you in here. >> exactly. meghan completely flipped that on its head and owned her story. she used her power by ending the silence. and it's going to be really hard for them to react to this. you saw the weak statement they put out today. acting is if they were just learning about it. when they were the perpetrators. i love that black women came together. tyler perry came in and stepped in. we really this is what community is. we know how to do this. we know how to step up and push back. you are seeing that politically in georgia.
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with voting. people who expected stacey abrams to go away. and she came back with more voters. and now they want to change the rules of the game that democrats are winning. black people showing up to the polls and saying hold up wait. we need id. no more souls to the polls on sunday. people used to being the referee and the player can't stand losing. we have to be vigilant and watch what's happening. >> it's not about taking pieces of pie from other people, it's about making more pie. tyler perry a perfect example. builds a movie studio and creates new market. it's more pie. more people to work and money to be made and enjoyed. the numbers between 2016 and 2020 and who voted for trump. not big numbers.
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black men and latino men. he went up in both in the election. if i'm right and their opposition is so obvious in the so plain, why do the votes go that way? >> there's a cross current and cross pressure. when it comes to gender and immigration and other issues. having more competition for the black vote is better for the black community. and better for both parties. here's what you are seeing now, we're in a situation where the republican party had an opportunity. to look in the mirror, post trump, and say some of the stuff we were doing. let's be more open and more opportunities for people to come in. instead the party is trying to close the door on voting. that is signal i don't care if you are conservative or liberal. when you are african-american and people close the door on
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voting that's the sign to go the other direction. you had a party to try to get more black votes. they are moving in the opposite direction now. >> it's interesting. the worst three words, we will see. yet the supposition is they're doing this for one simple reason. it works. now, have they pushed it too far? is the opposition too ugly. too obvious. too offense i have to too many. we'll see. van jones, natasha alford, thank you for starting the conversation. welcome to the show. van, as always. love you, be well. we're continue the important conversation. there's no small irony a woman of color may have blown up the royal family in a way that no white person ever has before. think about that. first the biden rescue bill is likely hours away from the president's desk. and the opposition party led by mcconnell are acting like
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victims instead of helping actual victims of the pandemic they denied for so long. and many of the people who are hit hardest are the constituents of the same who reject relief. a key democrat takes the opposition on. next.
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president biden gearing up for a big push to sell you on the covid relief plan. most of you already like it. after he signs it he's planning a prime time address thursday night. you will see it here. probably everywhere. he's going to spend weeks traveling to highlight the impact around the country. the white house says he's going to hold the first formal news conference this month after
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waiting longer than any president in the last 100 days. 100 years. anyway. finally he's expected to speak to a joint session of congress next month. of course congress still needs to actually get him the bill to sign. let's discuss. the state of play with the senator from connecticut. democrat chris murphy. >> thanks for having me. >> am i wrong to suggest this process makes plain that these people in the opposition party are not going to work with you under any circumstances? this bill is good for their people and know it and still won't do it. >> president biden promised on he had a campaign promise to unite the country around an agenda to beat the pandemic and get the economy back to recovery. that's what he did. he put on the table the american rescue plan supported by 70% of the american public. the last poll suggested 60% of
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republicans support it. i don't know it's his fault that not a single republican is willing to support -- >> not saying it's his fault. i'm blaming all of you for continuing a ruse of working with people that you know don't want to work with you. i had joe manchen on last night. senator from west virginia. you believe what? y time you go near them they punch you in the face. it would be better, okay. it's not happening. now you have the most important piece of legislation. this hr 1 if you don't pass it, there will be a wave of legislation across this country that will take free and fair elections back half a century. can you allow that? >> no, we can't allow that. listen, democracy can't survive if people don't have the ability to vote.
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if state legislators can rig elections so only voters sympathetic to republicans are allowed to get to the poll. so of course we don't pass new voting rights act in this country, we're leaving democracy to die. listen we have work to do to persuade 50 votes in the senate to change the rules. you're right, this pandemic relief bill was proof republicans are not willing to work with us. everything in the bill was essentially an extension of funding streams and programs that republicans and democrats approved together in 2020. republicans were willing to fund small business relief and direct checks to consumers. and money for schools. back when they were running the senate. now democrats are in the white house, and running the united states senate, they claim that these things are unnecessary. the script is flipped. unfortunately republicans are all of a sudden back to sitting on the sideline. >> their argument is we're if
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favor. you're putting too much money into it at a time things are too hard for us from a revenue structure. anything to their criticism? >> they didn't make that argument consistently. i heard that occasionally. here's what i mainly hear, they went to the senate floor for a week straight and said 90% of the bill isn't covid relief. they essentially said unless you are putting shots in people arms it doesn't count. so saving small businesses and schools reopening safely. that's not legitimate in the eyes of republicans. they categorized that as relief when they were in charge. they would have written something different. but the criticism they lodged on the senate is not covid relief it's too partisan, too expensive. none of these hold water. the americans support it.
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it wasn't expensive when they were in charge and thought it was legitimately important to spend money on when they ran the senate. >> is there a chance that you don't get rid of the filibuster. republicans become nothing but the opposition party. and you don't hold 50. on your own side. that you have one, two, three that don't like the biden agenda as presented as the party and wind up being your own party stops biden from getting things done. >> well, i think it's really hard to imagine how we can get everything done through reconciliation. ultimately things like universal battleground checks. >> filibuster on that. in 2015? 15 hours you did. >> we had -- we had 55 votes for that measure. and couldn't get it passed. in 2013. ultimately the parts of the agenda can't go through and get
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republican votes or modify the rules. >> manchen says i'm not modifying the rules. >> listen, we have to show our caucus that republicans are going to consistently stand in the way of change. there are members who believe the filibuster incent vises bipartisan cooperation. we'll test the theory and see if republicans are willing to come to the table like infrastructure and battleground checks. immigration reform. my hope is they will i guess they won't. let's put the theory some of the colleagues to the test. and if they are wrong we'll make the argument. >> i think your best hope maybe with the president doing now. in reverse. you'll probably get a bill through or should on relief and going out to sell it. he should probably go out and campaign for hr 1 and let
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everybody knows what the bill is, what it will be stopping and put pressure. i know you'll be fighting a good fight. you have a platform. senator, thank you for being with us. >> thanks. >> all right. now, i want to talk about the pandemic. i want to talk about it from an angle you don't hear a lot now but you will hear so much in so many ways it will blow your mind a year from now. long haulers. you have heard it a bit. i talk about it here. it's so much worse than you know. than we know. long haulers are still getting sick. if you need more incentive to get a vaccine, i'm telling you, you can get this virus not even know you have it, and develop long haul symptoms. that will ruin your life. proof. one of the first covid patients i had on the show is back with
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i totally get why most of you are fixated on what's happening right now. totally get it. please trust me when i say that the story of the pandemic is going to have a very bad chapter about a year from now. that will be the long haul chapter.
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we can't focus on it now. we don't know enough. we're developing understanding. people are getting confused diagnosis. it's so real i hear it from so many of you all over the world. there's a study and so many more, this is from california. out of more than 1,400 people, 27% said they struggled with shortness of breath, chest pain and other symptoms more than 60 days after their infection. i'm telling you i know people, i'm one of them. an easy case. the fortunate. they have gone seven months and still have it. one-third of those in this survey were originally asymptomatic. what does this mean? even if you get a light case, you can then have moderate to severe long haul symptoms. and i'll tell you what wasn't caught that i'm hearing about.
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also in different research. brain fog. depression and a lot of other mental components and anguish. it makes the vaccine effort more important. because if you want another reason not to get it. now you're like if i get case it's not that bad. you can get this. let me bring in my covid sister. lauren thomas. mother of four. got covid. last april. she had it her husband had it. a year later. it's good to see your face. >> you too. >> lay it on me. what's the status quo? >> the status quo is i'm still struggling. i was just diagnosed three weeks ago with asthma. they don't know if it was from the covid or just brought about from the covid. i still can't breathe.
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i'm back on the inhaler. which gave ne other problems. i have brain fog still. i have flushing in my face when i get excited. kind of i'm still all over the place. >> are you the only one with the long haul? or is your husband i remember is a doctor. or one of your kids, are they dealing with long haul? >> so the 18 year-old still it's been a year. doesn't have his taste and smell 100% back. it's there faintly. my husband he's working. we're both out and about. he has tingling throughout the body. brain fog. shortness of breath. i don't think it's as bad for him as it is for me. >> when you go to the doctor and talking to the clinicians all the time. they have nothing, right? >> pretty much. >> at least -- >> they don't know. >> they are starting to believe
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you now. in the beginning it was everybody looked at you like you might have been off. like it's psych or something. are they hearing about more laurens now? >> i think they are. the pulmonologist is not convinced the asthma is from covid. but i work at a day camp. i'm running up and downhills and 102 degrees weather and i never had a problem in my life. went to the gym. never had a problem. since march 26, my anniversary. i have had trouble breathing. and getting up the steps still. if i work out. it's there. all the time. sitting and watching tv i can't get the breath in sometimes. it's hard. >> cardiologist, pulmonologist, allergist. >> the cardiologist is the first one telling me i have to push myself and take it slow.
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so for people who don't have covid it sounds like bizarre. i started at the new year. walking at two and a half minutes. i'm up to 15 minutes. i took steps back. i got the vaccine. the first vaccine caused issues and took me a few days off of my game and had to go back. the second one wiped me out for a week. so, now i'm getting back on it. i'm up to 15 minutes. i'm proud of myself i can do that. >> you have to take progress where you find it. you have four kids? >> yes. >> so, you got it all working. all this stuff going on. you maintained a good attitude. isn't this scary? and isn't it worth talking -- i keep asking you to come on. i want to check in. people don't want to get this vaccine. they don't think it will be bad, mild cases and a symptomatic. no big deal.
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isn't it scary a year later, we're still dealing with this? you worse than i and so many others like us. growing numbers and people don't take it seriously. >> the worst part is i'm losing my hair. >> me too. >> in august i had a little bird nest. you freak out and panic. it's getting better. i hate washing my hair. you have to -- it's a mental game. >> i will tell you this, i have heard from -- usually you want to come on tv and i appreciate you doing that. many of the people i keep them anonymous. i have talked to many famous fashion, acting, music. people known for how they look. women. who lost hair but every woman i talked to it came back. not true for everybody. that is one of the symptoms i talked to a dermatologist about it. it's coming back.
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it matters to people. it's a vanity scale. it matters. i want to check in and say thank you. reminder to people to take it seriously. i hope the baby steps continue and get to a better please. i'm here for you. >> thanks. >> all right. all the best to your husband and son and other kids. and you. talk to you soon. >> you too. >> listen. i have always marvelled at her. her attitude is phenomenal. it was a big boost for me. and dealing with it. seeing how she was dealing with worse with the kids and husband and everything going on. it's not a joke. get the vaccine. take it seriously. if you get sick you don't know what will happen. trust me. back to the queens response to the interview that popped
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eyeballs across the globe and may have changed things in a big way. my next guest believes prince harry, meghan markle. their account of racism within the royals, she believes it. it hits home close to her experience. she too has biracial kids and wants to share experience to open mind and talk about the impact meghan may make. next. at panera, when we make a pizza... we don't just “make a pizza.” we use fresh, clean ingredients... to make a masterpiece. order our new pepperoni and four cheese flatbread pizzas for delivery or pickup today. panera. these folks, they don't have time to go to the post office
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meghan markle thing is having massive fall out. even here. it's such a big deal it's playing on race in america. certainly in the uk. in fact today a guy who used to hold this position at cnn at 9:00 p.m. one of the most well known uk tv personalities stormed offset live on air and then resigned. searing criticism because of his continuous negative take on meghan markle. take a look. >> i understand that you don't like meghan markle. you made it so clear.
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a number of times on this program. has she said anything about you since she cut you off? i don't think she has. you continue to trash her. >> i'm done with this. >> see you later. sorry. can't do this. >> this is diabolical behavior. >> he walked off and came back. then resigned. one british journalist joins us now and says the racism that she experienced is no surprise to her. she experienced it her whole life. welcome to "prime time." good to have you. >> hello, thank you for having me. >> help me understand what happened with pierce. what he fired or did he resign? >> well, the official take it he quit. but i know there was 41,000
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complaints about his very aggressive take on prince harry and meghan. especially when it came to denying her experience of institutional racism and also experience of mental health and suicidal thoughts. it's a huge call for him to be removed. whether he quit or asked to leave, hasn't been -- the official line is he quit. >> if that decision was somewhat of a manager one, would that have been by the net work or the british government have any reach into that particular out let? >> i would imagine it would be from the net work. >> he's not on the bbc. >> yeah. this is such a hot topic in the uk. it is such a polarizing topic. people are furious on both sides. people like me who believe meghan. people who think it's about the
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truth and about changing society and social equality. and the other side of the society which thing this is a huge disgrace. and that pierce morgan is a victim of woke cancel culture. >> do you think he was cancelled? >> i don't think he was. i think there's rumors that he was asked to apologize and didn't want to. he walked. does that sound something he would do, that's for you to decide. >> so, the idea of meghan markle not telling the truth. i have a very easy question. why lie? and usually it pops up to you exactly why. in this circumstance, why would she lie. what was gained by this? it blew up her life and the stability of her husband with the family. they had to move. it created all this. why do you believe she's telling the truth? >> i believe she's telling the truth because i completely relate to her situation.
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i have walked in her shoes. as a woman of color in the uk i have experienced that very nuance 21st century racism. people get confused because no one is screaming the n word in her face. there's no burning cross in the garden. people think she's not a victim of racism. in my life i have had it all through from school where i went for very privileged private girl school in fancy neighborhood in london. where my principal told me don't bother applying to oxford they don't want your kind. you know what i'm talking about. when i started my career, and to get into the building i worked in i had to go through the head of h.r. who asked me you are very well educated does it make you feel you're white? and asked about gang warfare in
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london. i told her i don't know about it. my father is a nigerian diplomat. that's what i had to suffer. it was offensive and racist. it's princess wearing a black broach to a lunch to meet meghan. they probably think possible that that was a nice gesture. when it was offensive and racist. when she talks about institutional racism, i completely understand what she's talking about. and i find it frustrating that people who haven't lived her experience are quick to shoot her down and deny the truth. >> especially even folding it over to what she describes as her pain. they invalidate that as well. that's very dangerous. because when you deny a reality, racism, the pain of illness. it suppresses people from speaking their truth and things can get worse. to be clear the royal family hasn't denied any of the
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allegations. strongest thing they put out is recollections may differ. the question becomes why are so many people outside the royal family questioning markle more than she is if it has nothing to do with race. miss jewel, thank you very much. best to you and your kids and career. >> thank you so much. >> happens everywhere. again, my acute awareness is why do people here on the right fringe. fringe mostly. desperate for attention. why pick on meghan markle? think about it. now, where does that take us? race and systemic inequality infiltrates everything and every problem we're dealing with here. the murder trial in the case that sparked global protests for racial equality. closer to starting. only three jurors have been seated. this is always a very delicate process. it's called your say.
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but, this trial of the officer who kneeled on george floyd's neck for more than eight minutes will be covered here extensively. why? these are rare occurrences. these trials. and it has huge implications and must be fully understood. the first issue for us is understanding the charges and what's going on there. i have the insight for you on that next.
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top legal mind lawyer coats joins us now. let's talk people and then we'll talk policy. thank you for joining us, my friend. juror number one, man, caucasian, mid 20. what makes him interesting to you? >> he says, look, he believes in the black lives matter movement, we're told. he doesn't believe in the organization but the idea of thinking of equality of lives. he watched at least part of the video. and he's also able -- what you are looking for is to have some objectivity in the receipt of the information. that's pretty impressive to think about the notion that he's willing to talk about the idea that he believes and actually wrote, i think, that derek chauvin killed george floyd. what extent he does and whether it will follow the actual evidence presented remains to be
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seen. >> what does it mean that they seated him even with him saying in my opinion the phrase that he was killed when chauvin knelt on his neck area means that floyd died because of something out of his control. why do you sit that guy if you are the defense? >> well, you know if you are the prosecutor why you seated him, right? you want somebody already thinking those things. if you are the defense attorney, though, remember it will be a very difficult proposition to find someone who does not have an opinion of what happened in those 8:46 across the globe, let alone in the actual state of minnesota. so the idea of trying to get a juror who is totally ignorant of all of the facts is an improbable proposition. >> right. >> but the idea of having somebody very forthcoming about
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their views and also willing perhaps to be persuaded by the objective presentation of evidence, you want somebody to have that sense of credibility of saying, look, this person may in fact follow the instructions which is to only hear the evidence that comes through this courtroom and rule accordingly. >> i remember that. it is always worrisome when you think this is person is not telling you how they think about i. juror number two, a woman, person of color, biracial, 20s or 30s. said i was super excited to get my summons. >> she registered to vote just because she wanted to go to jury duty and said awesome when she was chosen, which is not usually the response of someone on a jury. but in this case she said that she has, i believe, an uncle who is a police officer in a neighboring town, but she doesn't see this person very often. she talked about the idea of having watched the video and believing there has been some obvious issues in the criminal justice system, believes there is a desperate impact and tougher crimes against people of color. she talks about that very freely
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which again shows you again the idea of not ignorance being the standard, not having any inkling of what issues are about and about why this is a momentous occasion and a monumental try is both sides saying, look, we want people who are willing to listen to the evidence as presented but not pretend as if they have no idea what's going on and are going to say i never thought about issues of blue lives versus black lives or the idea of the role of the police because it is very hard to find any juror who is not going to give almost automatically as a knee jerk reaction the idea of giving police officers the benefit of the doubt, chris. most people don't think, despite what everyone tells you, most jurors are always asked questions about what you think of the police because thinking an officer is intending to kill somebody that day. when you have that idea of the benefit of the doubt, you want a
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clear and concise and honest answer about their use. >> the third one checks every one of those boxes as well. caucasian male in his 30s. he says he has not seen the entire floyd video. that, to me, was impressive. otherwise, he already checks every box that you just said. i know black lives matter. i like it. i don't like everything. i don't like everything about blue lives matter. i don't necessarily believe cops more than everybody else. hadn't seen the video. that's got to be a rare commodity. >> well, the entire video is the words he used, i believe. the idea, remember, this is how disturbing it is. we don't know why he didn't watch the whole video. it is difficult to watch eight minutes and 46 seconds of somebody being suffocated to death with a knee on their neck. the idea of turning away might have been one of the reasons he has not watched it. >> true. >> but he didn't suggest that he didn't watch it because he thought, oh, no big deal. he will during this trial, though. >> that's true. laura coats, i look forward to
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thank you for watching. it is now time for the big show, "cnn tonight" with the big star with the knack for knowing. >> the palace responded. >> here's what i don't get. the palace does not dispute the facts. >> no. >> the strongest line in the denial was, while recollections may vary. >> may vary, they are taken very seriously and will be addressed by the family privately. chris, if that's what they're saying, why are people here specifically on the right of the political spectrum bashing her believability? >> because it's the same reason they like to talk about dr. seuss. i don't know. you know, so dr. seuss' family will say, we want to take the books offline because it doesn't represent. they'll go, we're going to buy them because we're going to lean into the racism. the palace will say, look, recollections vary and these allegations and the questions ab

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