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"the lead with jake tapper" starts now. jim sciutto here again today. a newly-approved pill a day could keep severe covid away. "the lead" starts right now. the covid task force just finished meeting as cases surge and omicron takes over. but this afternoon, a possible game changer gets the okay from the fda. possibly positive omicron clues from the country where the variant was first found, cases already dropping in south africa. why is that? we'll speak live with an expert there. plus as democratic senator joe manchin faces criticism from his own party, there is a new, very public push by the country's top republican lawmaker for manchin to switch sides. and welcome to "the lead." i'm jim sciutto in for jake tapper. we begin with breaking news in
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our health lead. moments ago the white house covid response team wrapped up its meeting highlighting today's big news from the fda. authorization of the first antiviral pill for covid patients. it could not come at a better time. look at the timeline. it took the delta variant about two months to become the dominant variant in the u.s. how long did it take omicron? two weeks. now already it accounts for 90% of new cases in several regions of the u.s. cnn's athena jones starts us off this hour with the urgent actions happening now to save more lives. >> reporter: in a season of setbacks, a glimmer of hope. the fda granting paxlovid emergency use authorization. >> folks who took paxlovid early within three days of symptom onset had a 90% reduction in hospitalization or death compared to those who took placebo. this is a very potent agent.
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>> reporter: one problem, the highly effective treatment has to be administered within the first five days of symptoms, making hard-to-come-by tests all the more important, even as walgreens and cvs limit the number of tests customers can buy at once in the face of sky high demand. meanwhile the now dominant, highly contagious omicron variant first detected in the u.s. just weeks ago, is helping drive new covid-19 case numbers back up to levels last seen three months ago in the midst of the delta surge. new infections jumping more than 20% over last week. nearly 70,000 people hospitalized with the virus. >> i'm pretty worried that the surge we're going to see in the coming weeks is going to be worse than the surge we saw last winter. >> reporter: covid deaths rising 11% over last week as the cdc reports covid-19 was the third leading cause of death in 2020 and life expectancy dropped by nearly two years. despite the spike in cases, holiday travelers do not seem
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deterred. with the tsa screening around 2 million or more people a day for the past six days. the cdc director reminding travelers -- >> how safe your holiday is is really about how safe you are in the time leading up to the holiday. >> reporter: and as israel considers rolling out a fourth dose of pfizer's covid-19 vaccine, for medical workers, the immunocompromised, and people over 60, u.s. health officials say they will follow the science. >> right now we feel confident that if you have a booster, you have a high level of protection against overall infection, particularly against hospitalization and death, the most severe outcomes of covid. >> reporter: meanwhile, after the united kingdom reduced the quarantine period for people who test positive for covid from ten days to seven, the u.s. is considering following suit. >> we're actively assessing that data and doing some modeling analyses and we anticipate we'll have updates soon.
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>> reporter: we do have an update on some cdc data showing a third of fully vaccinated adults have received a booster shot of the covid-19 vaccine. that's a little more than 63 million people. but, and here's the critical number here, 22.6% of the eligible population has not received a single dose of covid vaccine. and that represents about 71 million people, jim. >> folks, listen to the doctors, get those shots and boosters. athena jones, thanks so much. dr. paul offutt is on the fda's vaccine advisory committee. earlier today i spoke to him about omicron. listen to this. he expressed a pretty encouraging view of the new variant. have a listen. >> between people who are naturally infected or people who have been vaccinated or both, you're seeing a blunting of serious infection caused by omicron. not so much mild infection. even if you've gotten two doses of an mrna-containing vaccine,
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for example, you're at higher risk of infection than if you have three doses. >> you're in the northeast, you're in one of the troubling hotspots as we've seen this omicron surge. i wonder if you agree with dr. offit that the data we're seeing so far, south africa, israel, and elsewhere, shows by and large omicron causes less severe illness in general. >> i don't know when i'm taking care of a patient in the emergency department whether they're infected with omicron, delta, or the original version of covid. all i know in the emergency department is i'm seeing a dramatic surge in both the number of patients who are sick and the number of patients who need to be hospitalized. the truth is, if omicron is milder, but it's infecting a ton
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more people, we're still going to see more hospitalizations from it. and our hospitals are at the breaking point already, jim. i can't even begin to describe to you the disaster level of care we're facing across the northeast right now due to a combination of short staffing, staff being out due to infection themselves, and then the wave of regular illnesses on top of the current covid surge. >> so let me ask you about the importance then, in the midst of this, of the approval of paxlovid, an antiviral drug to be given to folks suffering illness from infection. how important is this development? >> this is huge. this is really the first major new therapeutic that has been approved since remdesivir and the monoclonal antibodies. this has the potential to transform the way that we treat covid-19 among high risk and vulnerable individuals.
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imagine, you get sick with covid. you're someone who is high risk. you're obese. you're aged greater than 60. you're immunosuppressed. you have diabetes. if you're infected, your doctor can call in a prescription to the pharmacy and you go and pick it up. you don't have to go to the hospital, you don't have to go on an iv. but there are some big limitations. it won't be immediately available to all. it's expensive. it has side effects. and it interacts with a lot of common medications and medical problems. so it's going to be out of reach for a lot of folks, unfortunately. >> and to be clear, because i don't want to give folks the misimpression that this is a substitute for vaccination, in other words sit back, and see what happens with infection, this is just if you're in the unlucky group that contracts this and faces the prospect of serious illness. >> that's right. vaccines plus boosters are still
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your very best protection against severe disease, hospitalization and death. i will say the studies of this drug were done in unvaccinated, high risk individuals. but it's now been approved for all high risk individuals age 12 plus. the best bet is a vaccine plus a booster if you haven't gotten it yet. but if you are one of those unlucky ones to catch it and are in a high risk group, this is a good backup plan. >> i don't want to get ahead of where the data is and i also don't want to sugarcoat the data because, as you say, regardless of where omicron goes, you're already suffering from the effects of a very virulent pandemic here, but we are seeing policymakers and public health officials discuss changes to indicate a different approach to this wave of the virus, for instance discussing shortening the quarantine period, already happening in the uk. dr. fauci has discussed the same thing handing here in the u.s. do you think that's the right -- and by the way, biden and others are saying, hey, we're not closing schools this time around. do you think that's the right combination of policy responses
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to what we're seeing now? >> i think it's critically important for to us follow the science. and the science around this virus is ever-evolving. the science does point to the fact that if you are fully vaccinated, which in most studies it's been just two shots, not three, and you are asymptomatic, and you have a rapid negative antigen test, those tests in such short supply right now, the binaxnow and the like. but i don't want to push people to go back to work when they're still infectious and still feeling sick. we need to maintain the ability for people to continue to isolate for ten days if they're having symptoms, obviously if they're unvaccinated, or if they're just still feeling under the weather, they need time to heal so we don't increase their risk of getting long covid. >> dr. leana wen told me this
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morning that this idea of test to go back to work, in effect, a couple of negative tests, to go back. one thing before you go, two out of the three monoclonal antibody treatments that have been used successfully for folks who contract serious illness, what is the effect of that? i imagine it adds to the importance of this approval of the antiviral pill. >> that's exactly right. we've been listening to a number of governors, desantis and others tout regeneron as this magical cure for covid. it's not. vaccines are better. but losing the ability to give these monoclonal antibodies to high risk patients is a huge blow to those of us that are trying to keep high risk patients out of the emergency department and the hospital. i'm hopeful that paxlovid will fill that gap but time will tell. >> we know the administration is hoping to boost supplies of the antibodies as well. dr. megan ranney, always good to have you on. >> thank you. breaking news next, a top trump ally in congress was asked
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to talk with the january 6th committee. how will congressman jim jordan respond? plus will the omicron surge be short-lived? there are encouraging clues from south africa where it first struck. that's just ahead. gifts you rea, really, really, can't wait to unwrap. ♪ joy. fully. ♪
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breaking news in our politics lead. the house select committee investigating january 6th announced in the last hour they want to force, or ask, fierce trump ally ohio republican congressman jim jordan to voluntary meet with the panel. he's the second sitting republican lawmaker to be asked. the first, republican scott perry of pennsylvania, immediately said no. cnn's evan perez joins me now with breaking details. evan, why do they want to speak with jordan? >> reporter: jordan, jim, has in recent interviews in the last few months, has said he was in touch with president trump. he's given a variety of answers. and the committee in their letter to jordan mentions that they know that he communicated with the former president at least once, perhaps multiple times. they also say that they know he was in touch with people associated with the former president who are in this
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willard hotel war room surrounding the rally and of course during the assault on the capitol. and they also mention that there was a january 5th message that jim jordan has acknowledged he forwarded to mark meadows, the former chief of staff to the former president, in which this legal theory was outlined, describing how the former vice president, pence, could essentially decline to certify certain states' electors and try to keep former president trump in office. these are among the many things that the committee would want to talk to jordan about. of course, as you pointed out, he is one of the closest allies of the former president and continues to support him. >> so they already asked republican scott perry to testify earlier this week. he said no. >> reporter: right. >> what happens now? they could subpoena, i imagine, and if the subpoena is turned down, they could do a criminal referral. that's a few steps down the
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road. what happens next, if both perry and jordan say no? >> reporter: right, and that's the thing, right now the committee is not saying that they're going to move to a subpoena, but of course that is possibly the next option. that would be an extraordinary step, not only for the fact that you have a sitting lawmaker who is a top leader for the conservatives on capitol hill, but also, you know, obviously for republicans who have said that members of their caucus are off limits to a committee that they are obviously at odds with. so we'll see whether the committee tries to take this next big momentous step in the coming weeks, joe. >> we'll be watching, evan perez, thanks very much. let's bring in our panel to discuss. let me play devil's advocate here, why not subpoena him? i know he's a member and i know there's discussion of the can of worms you open up for congresses down the road. but the question is what is a
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request from congress worth if folks can decide, hey, i'm just not going to cooperate? >> look, we do know there has been a concern among some members of congress that the actions taken in this investigation, as well as some actions taken against other republicans in the house when it comes to stripping committee assignments as well, it could then come back to bite democrats when, if, during the midterms, the republicans were to overtake the house. but as you said there, jim, look, they're asking now. the other options, the more forceful options, are still in the back pocket here, it's still an option for them. they're attempting this route at first, and you can see them moving to the more foreorceful options. the goal for the committee is to find out what some of these political leaders and some of the more powerful people in our government, what they knew about
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the steps that were taken leading up to this deadly attack. representative jordan, both in texts sent in the days before january 6th, forwarding a text to mark meadows about whether or not the vice president should rule some of the electoral votes unconstitutional or even meeting on november 9th in the campaign headquarters as well with other close allies of the former president, and plotting out a strategy for really fomenting some of the baseless allegations about the election, these are things that you could see them take a look at going forward. >> tia, gym jim jordan is actua an interesting case here because he was supposed to be on the committee. pelosi objected to mccarthy picking him. does this put him under more pressure, perhaps, to cooperate with the committee? >> well, i think, you know, him being on the committee was something that nancy pelosi was never going to go for, because it was already known that he was such a close ally of president
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trump, and even without knowing what the committee knows now, they knew that he had been part of the stop the steal movement in spreading some of that misinformation about the campaign. i think what hurts representative jordan is that he himself has said in the past he has nothing to hide. and so now what the committee is doing is they're, you know, kind of calling his bluff and saying, if you have nothing to hide, why not come in, voluntarily, and speak to us? and how he moves from here, it's going to be a delicate balance because of course i'm sure he's not inclined to cooperate, but why would you not cooperate if you have nothing to hide? >> if you hear his answers, which have been all over the place, about his communications with the president, the former president, on january 6th, i wonder. zolan, we just learned former trump national security adviser michael flynn, his challenge to the committee's request for phone records rejected within 24
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hours, filed yesterday. a federal judge blocked it today. is that a warning, a sign of things to come for other trump allies who are taking the sue-the-committee path? >> you would think it would be. the takeaway there, and you hit it, the takeaway there, jim, has got to be the timing. we have seen a previous playbook, especially when it comes to the former president, whether impeachment proceedings, the past two impeachment proceedings, really, you saw a playbook of going to the courts, trying to run out the clock. you see it here, folks trying to run out the clock, with the awareness that there could be a ticking clock for the length of time that the democrats have control of the house and have a majority in congress. but the fact that the decision came so quickly in the flynn case, that likely -- there is going to a lot of other potential witnesses paying attention to that turnaround.
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>> we like to accentuate the positive where we can. a surprising positive twist, the 45th and 46th presidents did not lob insults at each other for a day, but praise. have a listen. >> thanks to the prior administration and our scientific community, america is one of the first countries to get the vaccine. just the other day, former president trump announced he has gotten his booster shot. maybe one of the few things he and i agree on. >> and former president trump told fox news last night, "i'm very preappreciative of that, i surprised to hear it. it has to be a process of healing in this country and that will help a lot." tia, process of healing, not a phrase we have often hareard fr the former president. does this have meaning here? in public health terms, there is a large portion, much in trump's base, that has resisted vaccines and boosters. >> absolutely. and i think that's why it was so
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groundbreaking for the former president trump to say what he said at that rally even despite the boos from the crowd, he stood firm in saying no, this is a good thing, you need to get vaccinated, get your booster. and so i do think current president biden anding his administration said this is an opportunity here because we now have president trump doing something he was doing in the past, which is encouraging vaccinations, and again, as you've noted, maga folks, trump allies, are part of that subset of americans that are more likely to be vaccine hesitant. so i'm sure the biden administration, which has said over and over again, one of the biggest things we can do to try to get through this pandemic is to get more people vaccinated. so if that means amplifying what former president trump is saying and making sure that people who are -- who tend to listen to and follow what former president trump says, make sure that they
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hear what he's saying, then i think the biden administration says, let's amplify it and let's keep him on our side, at least on this topic, where we do agree. >> zolan, does that have potential here? because this anti-vaxx group in this country has proven laa largely impenetrable audience, because the unvaccinated disproportionately make up those who are dying and being hospitalized from this. with a word from trump, even for a day, will that make a difference? >> i think what it shows is the sense of urgency to try anything to combat vaccine hesitancy at this point. a couple of months ago i reported on a story where i was examining the hesitancy breakdown and really how it was divided amongst red counties and blue counties and what have you, rural conservative areas tended
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to be more vaccine hesitant. and i was examining this focus group that frank luntz, obviously a conservative strategist, and chris christie, they were looking to combat hesitancy in conservative groups they were speaking to, and they were asking that democrats and president biden as well really try and throw a compliment to the former administration in order to try and combat some of that hesitancy. i think that's what you saw yesterday. it's not just a spirit of unity, it's trying any option you can to try and convince this hesitant group. it's the white house themselves who have often said the president and former president are only going to have so much of an impact, but really the impact will probably be felt from your local doctor, your religious leader, and your community. >> anything that saves lives, we'll take it.
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in our politics lead, the white house today trying to recover some of its holiday spirit. the biden administration announced people with federal student loans have a few extra months of no payments, sliding the restart of payments from february 1st to may 1st of next
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year. that decision comes as the president touts some good economic news about supply chain problems which plagued millions of customers and stores alike. cnn's phil mattingly reports the white house is trying to gently steer the president's legislative agenda back on track. >> senator manchin and i are going to get something done. >> reporter: after a roller coaster 72 hours, the white house now fully engaged in the effort to resuscitate the cornerstone of president's agenda. >> certainly the president will be engaged with members and could be over the coming days, and we are looking forward to moving forward in january. >> reporter: with white house officials and the president taking pains both publicly and privately to put an explosive break with centrist west virginia senator joe manchin in the rearview mirror. >> some people think maybe i'm not irish because i don't hold a grudge. >> reporter: manchin dialing into a call with fellow senate democrats on tuesday night as
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senate leaders attempt to navigate an expansion of the child tax credit. >> there is an agreement by the vast majority of members that we absolutely need to move forward and the cost of inaction makes it so there is no other option. >> reporter: yet manchin left several senators, according to some who spoke with cnn, with the impression that the door wasn't entirely closed. >> i think you heard optimism, phil, from an a number of senators who came out of a meeting or discussion with members of the democratic caucus last night. >> reporter: it's a critical month ahead as biden underscored the urgency to unlock the bottleneck on capitol hill. >> we heard a lot of warnings about supply chain problems leading to delays in the holidays. the much-predicted crisis didn't occur. packages are moving. gifts are being delivered. shelves are not empty. >> reporter: with shelves stocked and delivery times
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tracking faster than before the pandemic, biden touting progress on an issue of persistent concern for americans. >> top of mind for me is what is top of mind for so many families. the pinch of prices. >> reporter: the pandemic-driven supply constraints from ports to rail to trucking playing a central role in driving inflation to its highest year over year level in nearly four decades. with energy prices also starting to ease, the white house hopes it marks a turning point. >> today, america is the only leading economy in the world where household incomes and the economy as a whole are stronger than they were before the pandemic. even accounting for price increases. >> reporter: jim, you mentioned that extension of the student federal loan freeze at the start of this. i can't underscore enough how significant a shift that is for the white house. according to sources i've been spe
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speaking with, there was no way they were going to extend it one more time. but there was tremendous pressure from outside groups and from critical members of the house and senate. this had to get done for policy reasons but as one member told me today, this would have been political suicide to do anything else. joining me now to discuss, congressman jamaal bowman from the great city of new york, thanks for taking the time. >> downlothanks for having me, appreciate it. >> senator joe manchin says he has a lot of issues with the current bbb bill in he's open to negotiating. you have said he's absolutely not trustworthy. i wonder, do you have any choice but to negotiate? the democrats' margin is one vote away in the senate. >> we have been negotiating for several months. that's how we got to this point. remember, build back better was
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voted out of the senate at $3.5 trillion. we worked it in the house at 3.5. but because of senator manchin and senator sinema's objections, it's been cut down to 1.75. and it's not just them. it's lobbyists, it's special interests, it's their donors and dark money that continue to cut it down. so it's good that we're here at 1.75, still negotiating. the bottom line is, we have to get this done. this is how we recover and rebound and build a better economy than we ever have had in american history. listen, this will be the first equitable investment, equitable investment in women, children, people of color, seniors, housing, and climate. when we do this right, and we will do it right, we are going to take off as an economy. we'll be able to compete with china and do all of the things the senator is saying that he's really concerned about. but the bottom line is, this
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level of inequality cannot persist. and the inequality falls along racial lines. and that's unacceptable. we have to do better and we have to get this done. >> when you spoke to my colleague laura coates this week, this is how you described joe manchin. i just want to play it back for a moment and get your thoughts. have a listen. >> it's tremendously frustrating for me as a black man in america because once again, it's an example of joe manchin as a white man showing that he doesn't care about black people. he doesn't care about latinos. he doesn't care about immigrants. he doesn't care about women. and he doesn't care about the poor. >> congressman, i wonder if you stand by those comments. as a practical matter, do those comments bring you closer to negotiating a deal? a deal with joe manchin. >> so we have to have honest conversations about who we are
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as a country. and we have to have honest conversations about systemic racism and how it manifests in our country. the bottom line is, the majority of american policy that comes from congress has a disproportionately negative impact on people and communities of color. remember, our communities were redlined by design and undervalued simply because they were black. we've had to march for human rights and civil rights in this country. and now we have to reauthorize voting rights because that has been gutted. we have to do an honest analysis. the majority of congress is white. and unfortunately, a lot of policies that come from policy disproportionately negatively affect people of color. so we need a racial analysis and an honest conversation, truthful conversation about our history, where we are and where we're trying to go. so i'm open to having that honest conversation.
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and i'm opening the do or to tht conversation, because guess what, our identity and our biases impact how we govern. my people were called the "n" word and continue to be called the "n" word in this country while we suffer from mass incarceration, while we suffer from police brutality, while we suffer from underfunded housing, underfunded schools, an opioid pandemic that's killing us and killing the poor as well. let's talk about who is privileged in this country and who suffers in this country and then we can move forward as one nation together. >> you bring up voting rights there. is it a mistake in your view, has it been a mistake for the president, for democrats, to go the build back better path first rather than voting rights, which many democrats, your colleagues, will argue have far longer term implications? >> wait a minute. we can walk and chew gum at the
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same time. these are exceptional people elected to congress. some of them are millionaires. some of them are doctors and scholars. the american people ain't trying to hear that. they want us to get stuff done. we passed voting rights back in march. why has it taken so long for us to get it done? we passed george floyd several months ago. what's taken so long for that? we passed immigration reform. we've passed common sense gun laws. what's taking so long for things to move in the senate? it's because of special interests, corporate money, dark money, and big money controlling our government that is not being responsive to the american people. people don't want to hear it. they want us to get stuff done. and it's not about progressives compromising enough. listen, get it done, better my life so i can be a part of the american dream. >> congressman jamaal bowman,
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have a look at those pictures there. the tsa, for the last six days in a row, has screened 6 million people as airports get ready for tomorrow, expected to be one of the busiest travel days of the whole year. cnn's pete muntean, many americans are not letting the omicron variant to slow them down, which by the way, the president has not asked them to. >> reporter: it's true, jim, it's an important point to make. these numbers are close to 2019 before the pandemic. the tsa screened 1.9 million people across the country today, that number 99% of the same day in 2019, shy by only 2,300 people, if you can believe it. the busier days are ahead, according to the tsa. this barely ends this five-day strike where we saw 2 million people a day at airports nation wide. tomorrow will be one of the busiest days according to the tsa. that really kicks off this rush
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between tomorrow and january 3rd. the tsa says a total of 20 million people will fly. but triple a points out to us that the vast majority of people will drive. 100 million people will drive 50 miles or more. triple a points out that number is only down 7% from where we were before the pandemic. >> the cdc director emphasizes people should not travel if symptomatic about covid. but she also says this about people who worry they might get sick while traveling. >> it is not really the act of being on the airplane or being in the car that puts one at risk. what puts one at risk is the behavior and mitigation strategies that may not have been used in the week prior to gathering. >> that's been a fairly consistent thing throughout the pandemic. the airplanes themselves are actually not great vectors for spread. so what are the airlines doing to respond to this concern.
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>> reporter: the airlines are once again insisting that it is safe to fly. they point to all this research that says the heavily filtered air aboard the airplane plus masks build a layer of protection, making the chances of getting infected with covid very low. the federal transportation mask mandate remains in place on board planes and in terminals until march 18, 2022. now the tsa and the faa have announced a new partnership where if you defy that rule, you could lose your precheck status for good. >> boy, that would hurt. pete muntean, thanks very much. coming up, could it be some good news? cases suddenly and already on the decline in south africa. remember, where omicron started. we'll speak to an expert from there, coming up. and along the ride, you'll have many questions. challenges. and a few surprises. ♪
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in our world lead, perhaps some coronavirus good news unfolding in south africa. the first nation, you'll remember, where the omicron variant was detected. case numbers, that is, infections, which started rising in late november, increased
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dramatically this month. look at that graph there, they've started coming down. a senior researcher at the south african council for scientific and industrial research tells cnn the country is past the peak already of the omicron wave. so let's go now to johannesburg, south africa, and an epidemiologist. portia, thanks so much for joining us. can you explain why new infections are already dropping, based on these numbers? >> thank you for having me. so basically, since the 24th of november when the omicron variant was discovered, we saw a real steep increase in the number of cases, much higher than what we had seen with the delta variant, basically because the virus seems to be more transmissible, more infectious. and it seems to also cause infections even in people who have previously been infected
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with either the beta or the delta variant. it looks like the numbers are pointing to immunity owing to vaccinations as well as natural infection. >> are you surprised how quickly it dropped, and is that a sign of hope, leading to population immunity quicker? >> yes, it is definitely a sign of good news. when you look at the steep increase in cases coupled with the reduction in hospitalizations. so if you look at the statistics from south africa, from the second and third waves, we had a large number of hospitalizations as well as deaths. the case severity with the omicron variant is pretty low.
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we were expecting much more hospitalizations and deaths but it has proved that the severity is quite low. and the rate of spread throughout the population also means the natural immunity builds faster. and when you couple that with vaccination, you reach population immunity quicker. that's to say the number of susceptible people within the population is largely reduced within a short space of time. that's why we're now seeing that rapid decline in the numbers of cases. >> we can only hope we see the same here in the u.s. as you know, president biden and other countries very quickly imposed travel bans on south africa, and south africa did not like to see that, understandably so. he now says he's considering reversing that. should he, in your view, and how much of a difference would that make? >> so when you look at the american population and the vaccination rates here in south africa, we're basically sitting at about 32% of the population
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vaccinated. in the u.s., it's about 63%. so when you look at those vaccination rates as well as the population that was if he could in previous waves, i think we can pretty much see that the trajectory in america will pretty much follow the same route, to be a steep increase that will rapidly decrease. but you also need to consider the age population. so south africa is a very young population when you compare it to the population in america. so the dynamics might be a bit different. but when we look at the disease severity we are seeing, as well as the way it's quickly reaching population immunity, we can pretty much predict that you will see the same trajectory of steep increase and then low decline in cases. >> we do hope you're right. >> so in terms of -- >> please finish, i'm sorry.
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>> so in terms of travel bans, i think it is justified to reduce the travel bans when you look at what has been happening in south africa, and the way that we've managed to control the spread of the disease. >> understood. portia, thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you for having me. and i'm jim sciutto in for jake tapper. our coverage continues coming up next with "the situation room" and wolf blitzer. ray loves vacations. but his diabetes never seemed to take one. everything felt like a 'no'. everything. but then ray went from no to know. with freestyle libre 2, now he knows his glucose levels when he needs to. and... when he wants to. so ray... can be ray.
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