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february, the au called for maximum restraint but didn't mention gadhafi by name. as the libyan leader fights to hang on to power, it's believe he'll be drawing on investments and influence in africa. cnn, johannesburg. we continue now with ali. >> we'll pick up where you left off. homeland security and politics, all part of this highly controversial hearing on the radicalization of american muslim. you're looking at it live now where the house lapd security committee has heard from lawmakers and relatives of american muslim kids who turn to terror. we knew there would be a motion and push back from those who feel that muslims are being unfirly singled out but the arguments and claims we've heard for debates could not prepare us for the testimony from the first
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muslim american elected to congress. keith ellison struggled to tell his colleagues about a 23-year-old new york police ka debt who died at ground zero. that paramedic's, name, modani. >> he tried to help others on 9/11. after the tragedy, some people tried to smear his character. solely because of his islamic faith. some people spread false rumors and speculated that he was in league with the attackers because he was a muslim. but it was only when his remains were identified that these lies were exposed.
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mohammad was a fellow american who gave his life for other americans. his life should not be identified as just a member of a ethnic group or religion but as an american who gave everything for his fellow americans. i yield back. >> we want to keep our eyes and ears own the hearing and bring you much more. right now i want to get insight from daisy kahn. she's the wife of the prominent new york imam faisal ra you've. daisy, let's take it at face value, if there is such a thing as i monolivic muslim community and they are disproportionately radicalized and drawn into terrorism, what can members of this muslim community do to address that issue?
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>> thank you, ali for having me. i'm at women islam and peace building conference in arizona. i just heard something very significant that symbols trump facts and what you saw the congressman do today to talk about the symbolism, that muslims have not been able to share in this tragedy, in the 9/11 tragedy. we have been shut out of this tragedy. people give their lives, many muslims died and we're also americans. i think that what we -- i'm unfortunately have not been privy to everything going on. but i think it just shows that we need to foster better relations with the muslim community and law enforcement needs to do that and i think the new york police department is a great model. they have a thousand police officers that serve in the police department. they have an outreach department that has been reaching out to muslim community.
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fbi has had outreach departments before and i really think if the law enforcement and congress and mr. king cooperate with the muslim dmunt, that i think we can have a significant impact. >> it is note worthy though, with one exception, there are no law enforcement officials testifying at this hearing. they've not been invited to do so. let me ask you this, terrorism, it is a blit on islam, extremism and radicalism are blits on all faith. is this an issue muslims fail to acknowledge? that muslims fail to sort of take on the problem that there not be higher incidents of radicalism and extremism amongst american muslims. do you agree with that? >> first of all, there's an element of truth because first of all when 9/11 happened, it was a maim major setback for our
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community. we have gone in a difference of month. and the truth is there are many acty vits who have been trying to see how they can counter this extremism. for instance, i took a group of muslim leaders of tomorrow, a young actor group of people to the state department to plan a policy planning meeting. and we discussed ways in which we could get into countering extremism. and the 12 leaders suggested something very specific. they said, we can't access the websites of the terrorists because you will be watching us and we will go on a watch list. can you give us a special pass word to crack the code and see how they are recuting people to create a counter ideology. that never happened. there are special initiatives that people have that if we cooperate with law enforcement, we really can have an impact. the problem is there hasn't been this cooperation and this is one
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of the things we've been complaining about. if the hearings are going on and it's good that it's highlighting an issue, but let's work together to see how we can have an impact. daisy, thanks for being with us. we appreciate you coming on and talking to viewers about that. i nt with a to quickly remind you about a cnn in america special, the fight over the construction of a mosque in the heart of the bible belt. called unwelcome, the muslims next door. debut sunday march 27th at 8:00 p.m. these are not live pictures, this is from earlier. remember the standoff over the budget repair bill that was going to strip workers of bargaining rights, last night the state senate republicans passed the bill on their own after taking out a few fiscal provisions that required a larger quorum. this is how it's going over.
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not at all well with union members and teachers and other critics and majority lawmakers. late this morning police moved into lock the capitol down. you can see there seems to be a sit-in of some point. they wanteded to clear the protester out, ahead of the vote front of the final assembly which was supposed to happen an hour ago. the wisconsin bill would let public employees negotiate only their wages, not working condition or anything else that a typical union can negotiate. limit pay raises to the inflation rate unless there's a referendum and sharply increase worker contributions to pension funds and that is something that workers already agreed to and bar them from deducting worker dues from paychecks. ed joins me now for two at the top. tell me what's going on there
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right now. what's likely to happen to the bill? will it get into the state assembly? you're in the statehouse at the moment. >> we're waiting for the assembly that was supposed to have convened an hour ago to take the vote. we were finally able to make it in the capitol. that was video just outside one of the doors pried open. people were trying to push their way in because the capitol building had been on lockdown for several hours. thousands of protesters outside and many inside as well. you can see up there on the balcony where the the assembly members have gone in. what is incredibly intense in the area where we were at earlier today was that several democratic lawmakers trying to get into the capitol to make the way into this vote in the assembly today were denied entrance for a little while. we assume that they are all in place now. we have a team inside the
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assembly there right now as well. as you mentioned, that vote was supposed to have taken place an hour ago. so not exactly sure why things are delayed here at this point but the great deal of anger and frustration with many of the people as they are waiting to see what will transpire here today in the next couple of hours. >> ed, we'll stay on top of it. let our producers know and we'll get you back on tv. critics of today's congressional hearing on muslim extremism say it unfairly singles out one portion of society. what do muslim americans think? a survey reveal interesting opinions. i'll look at the results with you on the other side. naomi pryce: i am. i'm in the name your own price division. i find empty hotel rooms and help people save - >> - up to 60% off. i am familiar. your name?
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these are live pictures of the testimony going on at capitol hill. this is the investigation, the hearings into the radicalization of american muslims. and this is jaser, we had him on testifying about radicalization. representative peter king says he was partially motivated to conduct them because he claims some 80% of mosques in america are controlled by radical imams and says muslim leaders not doing enough to help law enforcement identify possible
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terrorists and there are not many people from the law enforcement community invited to participate and gave him data on this. joining me now, matt bar ret to. thanks for joining us. there's such an absence of fact in this discussion that we're trying everything to bring fact into it. who are american muslims? and what evidence is there that they have not participated with law enforcement. you have done a study. 1400 american muslims you interviewed across the nation and you asked questions about religion and civic and political conversation. what do you find most surprised you in all of this. >> you guys are moving in sync. let's start with you. >> sure, thanks, ali. sorry. in fact what we found was the total opposite, that the musl muslim-american community is
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very integrated into american politics and mosques play a role that is very important fostering participation among the muslim american community. so the hearings and looking at proceedings earlier today, i was struck by the lack of numbers in fact and i am per cal date that would support 80 to 85% of mosques that actually support what representative king suggests. i think that the fact that no numbers or data supports this is a bit frankly problematic and considering the fact that this is again, a very specific situation whereby muslims are specifically targeted, i feel that to be a bit of a problem. >> muslims are newer as a community than jews and christians. does the role of the religious, the mosque in this case, has it played the same role that synagogues did for jews in terms
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of getting them involved in civics or politics, or is something different going on at mosques in america? >> that's a great observation. i think if we go back in the history of america, we'll find they have faced persecution and there are places of worship, whether a synagogue or church or mosque, are in the american setting a very integrating force. they help the minorities throughout the husband history of america find a place to integrate and socialize and get jobs and learn the american system. we find in our data that as you're more involved in the mosque, as you're more religi s religious, you're more supportive of the political -- >> let me bring up. one of your findings here because you found that 53% of those you sur vafed saw an increase as a result of relationship with the mosque. 81% say they follow elections
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more closely. 95% say islam is compatible with american politics. i want to hit the last one. karam, let's talk about separation of mosque and state. that's been one of the criticisms. for muslims in america some say the separation is not as clear. >> what does your data indicate? >> muslims living in the united states, we don't look outside the context of the united states. the various debates that may be outside of the united states could be there, but in the context of the united states, we found the population of muslims who come to the united states, come for specific reasons and as we can see from our data sets that muslims are very afluent and educated and et cetera and understand the importance of secularism in society. privately, they are very devout muslims interestingly enough.
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there's seems to be little incompatible between islam and the american democratic system in this particular case. the interesting thing is that there are various scholarships that look at whether or not the idea of social contract in islam is incompatible with living in nonmuslim societies. there's an overwhelming research that addresses those questions and the findings suggest that islam and democracy are not incompatible. there's a very good -- actually there is a very serious philosophical argue xt that suggests that various scholars addressed this and when we bring to the table is evidence to support that. muslims in the united states are in fact supportive of the american political system. again, the questions that we ask are scholarly questions. we are independence callers and no agenda.
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we want answers to what peter king is trying to get at. we're getting through data. >> i wish you were testifying. matt, a social professor, director at the university of washington seattle and caram, thanks for coming on and tell us us about your research. >> thank you very much. i want to tell you about a cnn special, the fight over the construction of a mosque in the heart of the bible belt called unwelcome, muslims next door. it debuts march 27th at 8:00 eastern. listen up, your bank may be ready to set limits on what you buy with your debit card? if it happens, how soon? i'll tell you next in your money.
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so there's this proposal floating around to limit the amount of money you can spend per transaction with a debit card. one bank is considering capping your purchase to 50 bucks. christine, what's this about? >> well, this is about this, interchange fees. and cnn money with a fantastic piece called denied. how you might not be able to use the debit card for transactions of more than $50 or $100 if some banks decide to fut limits on what you charge. banks get 44 cents for every transaction they do. they share it among their partners. that's the interchange fee.
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because of new rules likely to come in july from the fed, that could cap that at 12 cents. this is an interchange fee that created $16 billion in revenue for credit card companies. since they are going to get what they can take home cut, it might mean we restrict the transactions to be done. look, this is all part of wall street reform. cutting back on some interchange fees. there are other ways banks are trying to compensate for wall street reform. chase is testing a $3 monthly fee and we know free checking, fewer and fewer examples of free checking out there as they try to raise money in other ways because they can't raise interest rates without telling you ahead of time. these are all consequences, ali of credit card reform. the banks can find new ways to
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try to make money and that's exactly what they are doing. i'll point out that no bank has done this yet. and you can read this the cnn money story for more but it's being talked about and people think we could be heading in this direction. >> we knew when we were talking about banking reform, if you limit them in the ways you know they raise money, they will work around the system. has how they do. >> you don't give up $16 billion easily, right? you try to find another way to get it. >> christine romans, find out more at cnn money.com and they have great coverage on this. tune in to "your bottom line" at 9:30 a.m. saturday eastern. one in three students say they have been bullied and the white house is working to put an end to it. we'll find out how with ed henry standing by.
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president obama is the father of two girls and says the bullying is personal to him. there's a big conference on bullying at the white house. ed, are you a featured speaker or just covering this. >> are you saying i was bullied as a kid? >> you never know. >> i will admit i had these horrible buck teeth, two front teeth grew in giant when i was a kid and i got made fun of. i think it evened out and i understand you pretty much lost your hair around age of 18.
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>> yeah. >> i can't imagine that went too well. >> exactly. >> but this is weird that they are having a discussion at the white house about it. this is the first time i think that something like that has happened, is it not? >> it really is, first are anti-bullying subject. a lot of kids have died because of bullying and that's why a lot of parents have come forward to tell their painful stories and the president -- the reason i asked about your own situation. the president tried to in a light hearted way, say, look he's got big ears. as a kid he was bullied a little bit, nothing as serious as some of the other kids and other kids parents coming forward to talk about it. he's trying to shine a light on the subject. but more important than that is whether there will be action from this white house and from divided congress that can't come together on a whole lot of other things but maybe this is one of those areas where they will. two big things, one, the president has put in over $120 million into his new budget to try and combat bullying, grant
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money going out to schools all around the country. and secondly, there is a new bipartisan bill, they've just introduced and trying to get bipartisan support that would put in a code of conduct for schools that get federal money and put in there as part of that code of conduct that bullying violence, assault, harassment et cetera is unacceptable. $120 million is decent money for these schools as a starter but as you know, the budget fight is ongoing on much bigger line items like medicare and the like. this is caught up in everything else. we'll see whether or not the president's budget goes anywhere. it hasn't been approved yet. >> many months ago you were -- i may be mistaken. you were on a beach in florida and the president was there. you asked the president about what was then looking like the hottest topic going in the midterm elections, it was the mosque being built in downtown manhattan.
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>> right. >> and you got a comment out of the president the next day but there was an uproor about it. >> are they getting involved in the peter king hearings at all? >> they are mostly staying out of it. dennis mcdonough, kind of behind the scenes player, gave a speech to try to get ahead of these hearings a little bit. his point was, look, they are not going to try to stop the hearings, which were controversial before they started, but they want to make sure that what peter king is doing is pointing out that there are muslim-americans part of the solution, not the problem. if it's saying there may be some bad apples or some people who are helping terrorists, but you can't lump everybody in as a group because of their religion and also have to point out according to the white house, they believe, that there are
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muslim-americans helping law enforcement and giving them information to stop terror attacks. >> not a lot of them have been invited to the hearings. my good friend, ed henry, the senior white house correspondent. demonstrators pounding on the statehouse windows. hundreds of high school students walking out and the battle lines are drawn after republicans sneak the controversial budget bill through. we'll tell you what you missed up next.
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32 minutes after the hour. some incredible scenes from wisconsin statehouse, the angry crowds shouting shame, shame at police who were forcibly removing them, locking the building down. chaos came after the state senate pushed through a bill limiting collective bargaining rights. brushing off accusations of bigotry, peter king opened his homeland security hearings on radical islam. these are live pictures you're seeing from the hearings. king said there was nothing un-american about investigating the radicalization of muslims on u.s. soil. congressman keith ellison later testified that the tenner of the hearing amounts to scapegoating. ohio has become the first
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during the congressional hearings, comedian dean was watching from the room and tweeting all the time. >> we cannot forget peter king's continual statement that the american muslim community refuses to cooperate with law enforcement. is he going to call law enforce mtsment officials to support
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that claim? not one. amazing. all of a sudden charlie sheen is looking a little bit more reasonable, isn't he? >> dean joins me now from washington. dean, thanks for joining us. you've been inside the hearings. when i was listening to it this morning, the thing that hit off the top, keith ellison highlighting a young man who died in 9/11, a young muslim man who died. what struck you as most interesting? >> that was one of them. it was moving and keith was moved to tears literally. it was like the super bowl of islam phobia. it was amazing for these guys. whenever a person starts out with i don't think all muslims are bad, whatever follow-up is. there was a lack of facts by peter king's witnesses. he brought three muslims to testify, the only three in america that agree with him. the three that agree with him and gave anecdotal evidence, nothing about facts.
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it was very weird for a man who used to be a former prosecutor to bring nothing to support his claims. >> his issue here is that muslims and muslim leaders and imams are not doing enough to help law enforcement. there was somebody there testifying this morning, generally speaking, he has not invited those people who can confirm what he says or contradict it because he hasn't envited those people to testify? >> the person he brought was sheriff lee backer brought by the democratic minority not peter king. people in law enfosment have told him that the muslim community hasn't been cooperative. then subpoena them. you have that power. the sheriff said there's been 118 terror plots since 9/11. i'm looking here, 77 were perpetrated or involved people not muslim.
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less than 40 were muslim. the last 10 al qaeda plots, seven of the ten were turned in by muslims. it was completely unclear, he most the community to be frankly, the most cooperative, all of the organizations and groups he deals with in california. >> that said, we need to sort of say whatever community you're part of, if there is an element of radicalism or extremism or terrorism in there, is there some benefit to this discussion and should it be prompting muslims in america, to say, should we be doing more? or does it not fall upon average people with no connection to terrorism or extremism to solve that problem? >> i think the positive outgrowth of this, more organizations are interfaith. i was tweeting for what unites us, a great organization people of different faiths coming together. there was a rally in times square on sunday. russell simmons was there.
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people of all different religions and faith standing together. perhaps it is a rallying point and time for learning and an opportunity for that. i think the average muslim, even petter king's people who testified not once said if a muslim knew about a terror threat, they would turn them in. not one said they would turn a blind eye. it's this nebulous threat that's hard to articulate. where are the facts? that's what we want to hear. i want to hear the facts too to counter it and deal with it. >> if you hear facts, tweet them out. he's our eyes and ears inside those hearings. great to talk to you as always. >> i want to remind you about a cnn in america special, the dramatic fight over the construction of a mosque in the heart of the bible belt. it's called unwelcome, the muslims next door, debuts march 27th at 8:00 p.m. eastern. libyan civilians gunned down in the streets of the besieged
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town of zawiyah.
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the obama administration
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moved a step closer to talk about suspending ties with the libyan embassy in washington. the move is recognition that gadhafi is no longer the legitimate leader of libya and the libyan embassy must shut down. french president nicholas sarkozy became the first government leader to recognize the rebel leadership, the national transitional council as libya's legitimate government. in libya, government forces appear to be on the verge of recapturing the key oil port after several days of heavy fighting. witnesses say gadhafi forces attacked the town with tanks and rockets and heavy weaponry. there's heavy fighting in zawiyah which is 30 miles from the capital, tripoli. the only foreign journalist who managed to enter spoke to
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anderson cooper. some might find her report and pictures troubling. >> you and your crew were able to do what no other reporters were able to do, get into zawiyah and stay there. how did you get in? >> i think timing was absolutely critical because we went in on pt friday, on the day of friday prayers. and although there had been fighting earlier on that day, the massive military ring around the town that there is now, we had to go through several checkpoints to get there. but we managed to and we were with a very sympathetic person who drove us in. and as we arrived, there was a huge march going on of several thousand people. so we got out of the car and we just saw this wave of people coming towards us. and real lighized that they wer anti-gadhafi people, they were all civilians, didn't see anyone
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in army fatigues or uniforms. there was this huge body of people, children amongst them. >> we're looking at the video right now. they were marching, looks like for the most part unarmed and then got fired upon. >> yeah, there were a few people, very few people, i'd say half a dozen people at the head of the group who had one person on the conference had a pistol. one person wandering along the side had a clash kof slung over his shoulder but the huge majority were civilians walking unarmed and chanting ant anti-gadhafi slogans. a tank was in front of us and a number of military vehicles. as they got close, they open fire. they didn't just open fire once or twice and they didn't just fire over them. they fired into them.
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and the casualties were stant and immediate and carried on firing. >> we're seeing people run away from the firing. what's so important not only remarkable but so important about it, is because pretty much each step of the way, you show evidence, direct evidence, ir refutable evidence that the gadhafi regime is not telling the truth in their public statements. they repeatedly say they have not fired on unarmed protesters and you personally witnessed them doing just that? >> they did it not just once but schools of time. i can't even count how many times they did it over the entire period that we were there. we are in zawiya from friday midday until sunday afternoon. and there was continuous, constant, repeated shelling and firing and bombing attacking of that town. and the military got closer and
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closer and got basically trying to strangle the town. and the people inside it, they aren't -- to call them a rebel army is just not the case there. there may be rebels in the east, sort of rebel army made up of defections from the gadhafi army. but in this town, they are 99% civilians. there are a few soldiers who have defected, very, very few. they brought with them some weaponry, but they are vastly outnumbered by the civilians in the town. this is a town that's unsieged, being constantly attacked and there is a massacre going on there. >> the other lie the regime has been telling, which your reporting again highlights and points out is this claim by gadhafi and his son and the spokesman that they are fighting al qaeda and al qaeda has drugged libyan teenagers with
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hallucinogenic drugs. >> i saw no evidence of any al qaeda, either influence or input or anything to do with terrorism at all. the only terrorism appeared to be coming from outside and focusing in on this town. everyone i spoke to, and there were hundreds of people, thousands who i was mixing with and mingling with in the hospital, in the mosque, in the town, in the square, amongst some of the defectors, they are primary people who live in that town. they're very determined to try and impress that there is no al qaeda influence. i had a couple of colleagues, journalist colleagues in tripoli. they were texting me and saying at the moment they're saying the government spokesman here is saying they've retaken the town.
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i said well they could hear all the firing in the background of my telephone conversations with them. and there was -- it was a complete lie. later on that day, they said apparently the forces have moved in and they've regained control and they say that you're lying. at this point, we were under fire being shelled on, gunfire all around. it wasn't even just one side. it was top, bottom, left, right, in front, behind. absolutely under attack. as soon as the government forces pulled back, the place was filled with zawiyah civilians and residents again. if they weren't against gadhafi before, they absolutely are to a man and woman now. there is no one there who wants him and the only way that that town can be taken control of by the authorities or the colonel gadhafi forces is if they actually took up residence in the town and never left. >> you also report on something
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we have heard many reports of but have not directly seen. you were in an ambulance that was fired on by libyan government forces. >> yes, we ourselves were fired on while we were in the ambulance. the front of the ambulance there were two doctors clearly identifiable in green medical gowns but also at the hospital, we've got on film at least two ambulances who came in with bullet holes all the way down one side the back rear window had been shot out. so the whole of the window was taken out. and whilst i was there and my crew were there, there were people being unloaded from the ambulance and the shelling was landing right next to the hospital. the actual doctors and medical staff who were around the stretcher trying to take in this wounded civilian. there were about 20 or 30 of them all in green, white, blue
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medical gowns thought they were being attacked and scattered. >> stay with cnn for part two of alex crawford's extraordinary report on gadhafi's report targeting civilians in zawiyah coming up in the next hour. mobile health coaching programs and malaria vaccines. innovations in medicine save lives every day. coming up, a look at the three most innovative companies in the world. who has a million things to pick up each month on top of her prescriptions. so she was thrilled that her walgreens pharmacist recommended a 3-month supply and would always be there to answer questions about her health. now mary gets 3 refills in one and for 3 months, she's done. more or less. ask your pharmacist about a 90 day supply and get a free gift. walgreens. there's a way to stay well.
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every day in this country, peoples lives are saved by amaze agmedical inventions. today we're highlighting some of the most innovativinnovative. here is fast company magazine, bob safe yen out with its top most innovative companies can of 2011. these are companies doing things about the future, b, you might want to work for these companies and invest in them when they become investable. i want to highlight three of those companies in the medical industry. bob, start with the sincardia, manufactures an fda approved completely artificial heart. 5.7 million americans suffer from heart failure. >> the total artificial heart is right now used as a bridge device for people who need heart
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transplants and have to wait for one. the total artificial heart, people can leave the hospital for weeks, months and even years at a time. and what that allows and we see the future being that there could be a point where just as today you can get a knee replaced or hip replaced, you could get a heart replaced. there are 3,000 people on waiting lists for hearts right now. this has potential for tremendous break throughs. >> there's a company called amoris that has a biotech operation and this has to do with malaria. a lot of people here don't realize what a big killer and problem and economic weight ma layer yar continues to be. >> yeah, malaria is a tremendous threat particularly in africa for children. and what amyris is using biotech to apply a particular therapy for anti-ma layer yar treatments that is now very costly to
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create and takes a long time extracted from something called chinese wormwood and done a microbial version of in that they have licensed royalty free to large drug companies so that this treatment can be commercialized as a much lower cost and save lives and hopefully change and make the world a better place. it's a terrific terrific innovationing. >> i want to ask you about one other company, voxiva. mobile health coaching programs, what does that mean? >> yeah, i mean, this is as a system where you could use text messages, apps and the web but primarily text messages to be able to be reach people hop otherwise don't have health services and be able to be have a treatment program, whether it's for prenatal care, well baby care, diabetes treatment, smoking cessation. the great thing is this was pioneered in the developing world and was brought here in what we call trickle up
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innovation, started in the developing world hans come here to the states. so there's a program called text for baby, for instance, where you can text to the number 511411 the letter for baby and you'll get a customized program for how to take care of yourself and your child. >> bob, great talking to you. thanks very much. bob safian from fast company. to get linked up with the medical innovations, head to my blog cnn.com/ali. tell me what you think about, i asked a question what you think about the hearings going on on capitol hill. i want to get your thoughts. you can do it there or on facebook or twitter. cnn.com/ali. faith, freedom, homeland security and politics all rt part of this controversial hearing on the radicalization of american muslims. the hearing wrapped up after testimony from lawmakers, relatives of american muslim kids who turned to terror. you're looking at video from moments ago of peter king
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leaving the hearing room. we knew there there would be emotion and pushback from those who feel that they've been left out of this debate. arguments, claims of debates we've heard for days now couldn't prepare us for the testimony of the first muslim american elected to congress, keith ellison. he's a democrat of minnesota. he struggled when telling the story about a 23-year-old new york police cadet and part-time medic who died at ground zero. his name was muhammad hamdani. >> almost hamdan sy bravely sacrificed his life to try to help others on 9/11. after the tragedy, some people tried to smear his character. solely because of his islamic faith. some people spread false rumors and speculated that he was in link with the attackers because he was a muslim.
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but it was only when his remains were identified that have these lies were exposed. muhammad hamdani was a fellow american who gave his life for other americans. his life should not be identified as just a member of an ethnic group or just a member of a religion. but as an american who gave everything for his fellow americans. i yield back. >> we're going to bring you much more from capitol hill over the course of the next hour. first to madison, wisconsin and the fallout from skom are calling the nuclear option. remember that standoff over the so-called budget repair bill that would strip most public workers of most of their union bargaining rights? it's almost a done deal. last night state senate republicans passed the bill after taking out a few provisions that required a larger quorum. that's how it went down.
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this is how it's going over. not very well with union members, teachers and other critics of wisconsin's governor and majority lawmakers. late this morning police moved to lock the capitol down and clear the protesters out. that's the head of a final vote in the state assembly which was supposed to happen two hours ago. we'll cover it when it does. before we go much further, let me tell you, remind you what this fuss is all about. the wisconsin bill would let public employees negotiate wages only, not working conditions. it would limit pay raises to the inflation rate unless there's a public referendum. it would increase worker contributions to health care and pension funds and workers agreed to that. it would bar unions from dedu deducting dues from members' paychec paychecks. ed lavender ra joins me. what's happening right now? >> the last time we talked the assembly members hadn't even
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convened in the assembly hall that was just up there. we now understand that all of the members of the assembly are in there and they started the process of beginning to vote. what's interesting is just a little while ago, one of the speakers asked everyone to face toward the assembly hall that is up there and that's why you see everyone chanting. those members can clearly hear what is going on outside. just to give you a sense of how tense it is, the republican speaker started off debate essentially shutting off debate, introducing the bill that was passed out of the senate last night and now a democratic legislator is speaking and criticizing the speaker for bringing this bill to a vote here. so all of that slowly playing out upstairs. we thought it was going to be a much faster development here. several hours ago is when this vote was supposed to have been held but it has not been held so far. seems like we're here on the verge of holding this vote here shortly, ali. you can see people shouting and hear people shouting shame toward the gallery windows that
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are over there. and before all of this started in the tense morning hours, several protesters forcibly removed from the area just outside the assembly area and a lot of those people now being held from being up close to where the gallery windows are. all of these people and it's been extremely tense outside from where several hours this morning, people were not allowed to come inside the capitol building. that created quite a bit of tension outside where several thousand more protesters have been kept out throughout the day. ali? >> ed, we will come back to you if that vote starts to happen, the final pass and, let us know. we'll get the reaction from around there live when it's happening. ed laugh ven dare ra following the vote. the same storm system that slammed the south is moving up the east coast. it was heavy down here. is it petered out a little or giving them a lot of rain in the northeast in the. >> still severe weather possible, d.c., richmond, but
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every county that's green, this map should be the color over here like boston, kind of brownish. everything that's green has a flood watch or warning. >> all of this. >> new york, pennsylvania, delaware. >> like a bit of long island doesn't have it. >> exactly. but there's more rain coming, rain for new york and all of new jersey. almost all -- almost every river in new jersey at some point in its life from where it's a stream to where it goes in the ocean is at flood stage. take a look at new jersey. it was an ugly day. they could go two to three more inches it of rainfall today. part of the system that may damage in mississippi it, louisiana, alabama, take a look at the pictures. we know now that the damage out of alabama was a tornado. at least a couple of them. ef-2, theodore here it up near tillman's corners. 120-mile-per-hour storm. flipped things over. bp gas station torn up. farther off to the west, earlier in the day, it was louisiana.
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here's the damage out of louisiana. still coming down. damage, pieced came off houses. most of this was wind damage that they went out and have now looked for. you go out to the west where another storm has lined up to make its way in. this is what washington state looks like. that's a mud slide that took everything with it as it ran downhill. five to ten more inches of rain in the pacific northwest. with the next storm coming in that will approach the east coast in five days but out there now. >> it's going to be a wet few days in america. thanks. >> you'll be on top for us. good to see you back, chad. fighting terrorism. we'll talk to a former cia officer who says terrorists are at their weakest point right now, and now is the time to strike.
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basic. preferred. at meineke i have options on oil changes. and now i get free roadside assistance with preferred or supreme. my money. my choice. my meineke. during today's hearings on the radicalzation of muslim americans, we didn't hear from the fbi or cia on the possible threat of homegrown terrorism. we're going to in a moment. here is peter king, the chairman of the committee. >> is this mike -- okay. okay. thank you all for being here. this was an extremely productive worthwhile hearing. i am more convinced than ever that it was the appropriate hearing to hold. i think we broke down a wall of
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political correctness on an issue which has to be addressed. and today, i can not in any overly modest way and not to reflect on mr. marino here today, but the committee members were, we were the observers here today. those who provided the testimony that was needed, who provided an insight into the threat that most directly affects the muslim american community were the witnesses today. and i also want to thank stoif baca who is not here even though he was called by the democrats, i want to thank him for his testimony and service. i thought dr. jassa, mr. behe and mr. bledsoe provided such and i sight into the muslim american community, the challenges that that community faces and in many ways how the worst victims, those who are worst victimized by the radicalization of the muslim american community by al qaeda are the muslim americans themselves.
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entirely in view of the lack of support they receive from the people in their leaders, from the people in their community who should be the leaders. before i asked the witnesses to say a few words, i want to ask the congressmen if there's anything they want to add. >> the only thing i'd say is that this is a follow-up to a hearing held four years ago in southern california when then jane harman then congresswoman and chairman of a subcommittee had -- held a hearing on the radicalization of the prison population where we learned of the facts of radicalization and of plots at least a single plot in that case that was located in southern california. frankly, we should have had these hearings before. for four years we haven't had anything like this. this is necessary to get facts out on the table and to hear from members of the community as to what they go through when they want to raise the voice of moderation in the muslim
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community and the difficulties they have. i think the chairman did a very good job of allowing them a platform so that they could be heard and hopefully, we can go on from this and receive other testimony and also see what is appropriate for us to do to enable those in the muslim american community to be able to stand for what they really believe in and to know that those of us in congress stand with them. >> congressman marino from pennsylvania. >> i want to chank the chairman for his courage to set this hearing. it's a critical hearing that was needed. we need more of these hearings. i think we broke a barrier down today. the american people are going to hear just exactly what we need to do in this country to defeat terrorism, to promote the welfare and the love among the people in this country and behind me stand three very, very brave individuals who testified
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today, americans who stood up before the public and told the facts and the truth, and i commend these gentlemen for what they did and i thank them very much. >> i'm now going to ask the witnesses to come forward. i would hope now that this hearing is over that the media in particular would look back and reflect upon the mindless hysteria that occurred over the last two or three weeks and not in the future rely so much on what points such as c.a.r.r.e. and others, again, i think had the hysteria and the madness leading up 0 this hearing did nobody much good. with that, i would ask dr dr. jassa, mr. behe, and mr. bledsoe if they want to step forward and say a few words. i want to thank them from the bottom of my heart for the knowledge and passion that they bring to thissing. >> dr. jassa.
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>> thank you, chairman king. i hope what i gain from this is that this is the beginning of a conversation. we as somebody that loves my faith and i do this from an aspect of i really think that there's nothing more pro islamic or pro-muslim than helping us get through, figuring out radicalization, knowing it's not just the final step but there's a process and we want to begin the process of healing that pathology that needs reform. this needs a national conversation. it needs platforms like this and others and the political will to deal with it and it needs a patient and understanding and thoughtful communication process that doesn't label anyone but discusses this as being islam phobic or hateful and understands there are those of us within the community the vast majority that want to deal with this but have not had the resource or platforms to do so. thank you for the opportunity.
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i hope this is the beginning of a national conversation. >> mr. bledsoe. >> i want to thank you for giving me an opportunity to talk to the american people and to the world. i'm an ordinary businessman from memphis, an ordinary citizen. but i don't understand why we had so much fear of talking about what is real. it is a real threat to america. as i said earlier today, it came into my house, but it's at your doorstep. we need to talk about it as american people. if i could have just reached out and saved one other child from what my son, what happened to my son and what he went through, i do not think my trip to washington was worthwhile today. thank you. >> mr. behe. >> thank you. >> today's my happiest day for two and a half years, i've been demonstrating with loud
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speakers, talking to people it, door knocking, to turn out more families, empower them so they can ask for their loved ones. thanks to our chairman king and the committee, today i came to the chambers of the u.s. congress to speak for those mothers that were intimidated, lied to and their loved ones stolen. i think this will empower muslim americanists in my corner, muslim americanists to come out easily and remove those fake leaderships that pressure them to silence and be quiet. today is a victory for all those seeking justice and the liberty, the right to the speak up. thank you. >> do you have any questions? >> mr. chairman, here with -- [
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inaudible question ]. >> the fact is that c.a.r.e. was named as an unindicted coconspirator in a case. the fbi director has ordered members of the fbi not to deal with c.a.r.e. i hope a hearing such as in that local enforcement will realize the danger they present. i would hope the media would realize rather than just taking handouts and reporting them as if they're the knights of columbus or masons, they would realize this is a group that was named as unindicted co-conspirator and give them some of the analysis and critique that they give to someone like me. i would hope the media -- hopefully as dr. jaser and mr. bihi have said that will empower people in the muslim american community to realize they are not well served by c.a.r.e., that they need leaders to step forward to represent modern islam who want to come to terms
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with the united states the way rampg and file muslims do and not allow a group like c.a.r. sever e. to be their spokesman. i think today's type hearing where we can reflect on and what care has done and hasn't done is a way to get that out to the american people. to that extent, our hearing today was informative and educational and hopefully will have consequences in the muslim american community. >> some people believe that you're not addressing the real cause of you this. you are just addressing t tthe -- [ inaudible question ] election on the base of opposition to israeli foreign policy. by not giving them right training -- because they are already brain washed, they have mind set. these are done by certain people. by not issuing -- i'd like to
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address -- >> first of all, as part of a democracy, you don't carry out terrorist attacks if you disagree with american foreign policy. i think dr. jaser can address this more than i can because he lives in that community. the fact is the one point we were trying to make today, if you are part of american society, if you are in american society, you have an obligation to abide by the loss of the society and work within it and not look for excuses to justify murder and karnage the way too many people have done. dr. jaser, you may want to address that. >> actually, as i snide that's dr. jaser. he was one of the gentlemen testifying today. we spoke to him dwlerl week at these hearings that represent peter king has held to discuss how muslims in this country become radicalized, get drawn into terrorism and extremism. this was the conclusion of a hearing that came under a great deal of criticism for singling out muslims without inviting
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some of the people who felt they could shed light on whether or not islamic mocks and muslims and immoms actually hold back investigations into terrorism or participate in those. we've heard from a number of people who have said that mocks and imams have been participating. peter king repeated his fact that 18% are headed by radical imams. we'll continue to cover this for you. richard quest joins me next. we're going to break do you know how conflicts like the one going on in northern africa right now affect your fuel prices.
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quest means business and so do i. we are here together in the cnn newsroom and around the world. hello, richard. >> ali, it is good of you to join us this thursday. you and i from around the world talking business, travel, and innovation. we like to say nothing is off-limits. and that's pretty much true. so with revolutions taking place in north africa as a backdrop, ali, we really have to get to
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grips with texas gold talking oil. >> that's right. when when the revolutions in egypt started we saw oil hit levels we hadn't seen in two years even though the world's oil only about 2% of the world's oil goes through the suez canal. the fear was if you know rest were to spread throughout the region, it would slow production and distribution of oil. then libya happened. again, so little of the world's oil supply is actually affected. so today's question, how do conflicts affect the price of oil. richard, take it away. you've got 60 seconds. >> starting now. i thought you had already started. the global demand for oil is roughly 90 million barrels a day. look at the countries involved in that. they are iran, iraq, algeria, angola, nigeria, libya, all countries where there is the potential for instability, disruption of supply. in 1973 it, during the yom kippur war, prices rose by 400%,
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over 7% was at risk. in the iran/iraq war, 10% of the oil supply was at risk. prices rose accordingly. there's a roughly 1.5 billion barrels in the strategic reserve, but that would only last 15 days at full strength. the truth is on today's oil price, roughly 10 to $15 is built in for this speculation, this worry. and the big problem, of course, ali, if saudi arabia gets involved. any instability there and prices head towards $140 a barrel. >> there's very little i can add to that, richard. you know so much about this. what i can add to this is something your viewers may not have seen on a nightly basis. that is my trusty oil barrel. start with that. the answer of whether conflict affects the price of oil depends where the conflict is. libya which produces less than 2% of the world's total of oil. any disruption to oil there
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shouldn't put more stress than already existed on global supply. as you mentioned don't tell that to the investor who's speculate if these popular upricings spread into the real oil producing nations, saudi arabia, then we could be in for trouble. it's not the actual conflict driving oil prices. it's the fear of that conflict spreading. what i would worry about is nigeria. america's fifth largest soufrs imported oil. it's a country that's dogged by civil conflict in that niger delta region. in 2008 it, rebels hit it the shell pipeline and kidnapped oil workers. it hardly budged oil prices which were already high for a host of other reasons. investors shrugged it off assuming they would get back to normal. conflicts sometimes affect the price of oil but not always. and not everywhere. hope you like my barrel, richard. >> well, it could do with a lick of paint. i guess times are hard. >> times are tough.
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>> let's separate the men from the boys. it's time to introduce the voice for the quiz. hello, voice. >> hello. question number one. russia, saudi arabia, and the united states are the top three oil producers in the world. who is next on this list? is it a, canada, b, china, c, iran, or d, venezuela? >> ali? >> canada. >> [ buzzer ] >> you never give canadians for anything. >> don't take it personal. >> that's because you're wrong. try venezuela. >> you're wrong, as well. >> china. >> wrong again. >> you better get this one right. >> it's iran, iran. >> well done richard. iran is the fourth biggest oil producer in the world producing over $4.1 billions of barrels per day. on to question two. which of the following countries
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consumes the most oil? is it a brazil, b india, c russia, or d the united kingdom? >> ali. >> india. >> nice job. india consumes the most oil. they consume almost 3 million barrels of oil a day. the biggest consumer of oil is the united states though consuming over 18 million barrels of oil a day. yes, i said 1. canada and mexico. >> hang on. hang on, voice. ali, did you know that or was it just a good guess? >> india? look, i claim all sorts of heritage. i claim i'm canadian, indian. so since my canadian heritage got blown off, i figured let's try india as a lucky guess. >> question three, canada and mexico are the biggest suppliers of oil to the u.s. which country is the third biggest supplier? is it a angola, b iraq, c saudi
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arabia, or d, venezuela? >> richard? >> i'm going to go with saudi arabia. >> well done. saudi arabia is the third biggest supplier of oil to the united states. supplying just under 1 million barrels of oil per day and you know what, richard, you're today's winner. sorry, ali. >> i'm going to check the sources on that stuff again. you know why, i didn't even ring in on that because i thought you were going to say venezuela and it was going to give me a chance to take the victory. >> i just wonder how much more citizenship, ethnicity or otherwise you're going to claim before this contest is over. >> my pleasure to see you. >> that will do it for this week. we are each of us here thursday on quest means business, 1900 gmt. >> 2:00 p.m. eastern, keep the topics coming on our blogs. and cnn.com/ali. tell us each week you want the
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two of us to battle about. richard, see you next week. >> have a good one, ali. some back break work trying to get ahead of record breaking rains, flood watches and warnings today from the mid-atlantic to maine. some stories you might have missed coming up in just a minute. 100 ways to enjoy pringles. ♪ ♪ and they're the same price as the leading bag chips. 100 crisps... 100 ways. ♪ everything pops with pringles.
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let's hit some stories you might have missed today. forceful and emotional testimony at the house homeland security committee's first hearing on the radicalization of american muslims. minutes ago, chairman peter king defended the session as productive despite some critics' claims 6:bigotry and
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stereotyping. among the witnesses, relatives of victims who embraced militant causes. >> a controversial bill passed by the state senate last night in wisconsin. the assembly was supposed to vote this morning on the legislation limiting collective bargaining rights for workers but that has been delayed by the chaos you're looking at here. an inch and a half of rain, a new record. and all that water is causing the ground to give way. at least two mudslides blocked major roads. more serious storms are barreling up i-95 to the northeast. one to three inches it of rape possible in the next 48 hours for all the major cities from washingtoning to boston. heavy flooding including flash floods are a threat. the president and first lady hosted the first white house conference on bullying prevention. they brainstormed on how to address the problem. president obama told all of them he hoped to dispel the myth that
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bullying is a harmless right of passage. >> libyan citizens gunned down. an extraordinary eyewitness report you don't want to miss is just ahead.
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>> the the obama administration today moved a step closer to cutting kept diplomatic ties with the government of moammar gadhafi. secretary of state hillary clinton says the u.s. is suspending all ties with the libyan embassy in washington and that it must shut down. in france, president nicolas sarkozy met with a top libyan official today in paris. he became the first government leader to recognize the rebel
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leadership, the national transitional council as the legitimate government. more heavy fighting reported in zawiyah just 30 miles from the capital of tripoli. alex crawford of sky news is the only foreign journalist who's managed to enter zawiyah and spoke to anderson cooper. some of you may find her report and pictures disturbing. >> one of the things i found so moving, beyond the injuries and the courage of people who were defending themselves against this onslaught was them coming up to you and saying please, please, get these pictures out. please tell our story. because otherwise, their deaths will be in vain. and no one will know really the truth about what is happening there right now and continues to happen there right now at this hour. for you, you used the word massacre. are you saying what is happening there is a massacre? >> well, the true sense of the word massacre is large scale deaths, right?
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there are large scale deaths going on there, and these are primarily, i mean, seriously, they are 99% of them are civilians. they are women, they are children. they're old people. they're not fighters. they're not soldiers. they're just people who are criticizing who want a change of government. i don't -- if that isn't a massacre, i don't know what is. they can't do much to defend themselves. they are -- they can't even get out of the way of the firing. and they're continuing to be patted now. that's why at the end, there was almost constant firing but one particular brave individual managed to get us out under fire, and it was so important for them to know that we were going to be able to broadcast the pictures to the world. because as far as gadhafi
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authorities are concerned, that didn't happen. the march didn't happen. there aren't tens of thousands of people in zawiyah who are critical of moammar gadhafi and they aren't being shelled and aren't being killed. if we hadn't actually had the support of these incredibly courageous people, they would still be saying that, but now that the pictures, i would suggest, have put pain to those lies. i mean, you know, how can we make up those pictures? we saw people dying with horrible injuries. and they are civilians. they are boys that are as old as my son who's 15. they are young men. i saw one young man who looks as though he might be a university student, if he was living in britain or in america. you know, had he glasses on.
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he was wearing a t-shirt and jeans. he didn't look at all like a soldier. he was being shelled at the last minute as these thanks were moving into the square how to use a rocket-propelled grenade launcher. someone was saying put it on your shoulder. just fire. and he says, ali akbar and goes off to fight. probably is not alive now. i mean, these are civilians. so if that isn't a massacre, i really don't know what is. >> alex, i've been just so the struck by your reporting over these last several days. thank you for talking with us. i'm so glad you're safe. and i'm so glad you've been able to tell the world what is happening, the truth about what is happening in zawiyah. thank you. >> thanks for asking me on. the anger rages in wisconsin. how did republican lawmakers manage to pass that controversial budget bill without the democrats in town? i thought they left to keep that
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illinois, tweaked a so-called budget repair bill just enough to get around a requirement for a 20-member quorum. the measure still contains everything the democrats and organized labor late. it would allow public employees to negotiate wages only, not working conditions or anything else. it would limit pay raises to the inflation rate unless there's a public referendum. it would sharply increase worker contributions to health care and pension funds and workers in fact, have already agreed to that, and it would bar unions from taking dues straight from members paychecks. politically it is a powder keg. legislatively it bears zero resemblance to anything you learned in the civics is class or schoolhouse rock. is the state assembly rushed the bill through in five seconds while most democrats were out of the chamber. the assembly has to vote again on the senate changes but that is a foregone conclusion. now democrats are claiming republicans have broke the state's open meetings law and both parties are targeting each other's lawmakers with recall
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campaigns. i need expert help to break this down further. that's as far as i can go. jeff jeff toobin joins me by phone from new york. your initial reading of this. any laws broken? >> i hate to wimp out on you, but it's really tough to tell. this is a very specific situation and the open meet it is law has specific provisions. there are arguments on both sides. i think the important thing to remember is this is much more a political controversy than a legal controversy. the courts will get involved. but ultimately, the voters of wisconsin are going to decide whether this law stays in effect not the courts. >> if something did go wrong with the way, if there was a law broken in the way this all happened, what does that do to laws? know laws are challenged in courts for their you know, whether they are legal, is the way a law is passed something that gets challenged?
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>> usually not but it is possible under certain circumstances. i think the key issue though is if, for example, it is found that this law did not comply with the open meetings law, they'll just pass it again after opening the meetings. the composition of the wisconsin senate and house is not going to change unless there are these recall elections. the recall elections are ultimately what matters. >> let's talk about those a little bit. >> the recall elections mean you have to get a petition and get enough people on there to have a senator who's been in office for a year or more put up for recall and we've seen examples of this across america where somebody who's been put up for recall actually does lose office. do these recall elections stand a chance? >> certainly the polls suggest they are going to be close. there are a lot of people very upset about both sides here. it is possible that democrats and republicans both could be
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recalled in this situation. and both sides are agitating for it. there is a real history of successful recall elections in this country. the most famous recent example was governor gray davis of california, which opened the door to arnold schwarzenegger becoming governor there. recall elections are very perilous for incumbent politicians because instead of maybe voting between the lesser of two evils you are simply saying thumbs up or thumbs down on a specific politician. a lot of people on general principle say thumbs down. >> very interesting because while i said this doesn't resemble your civics lessons, the reality is we're seeing an entirely different way of politics playing out in wisconsin and going to see it in other states. we've seen it happening in other state legislatures. it is fascinating for somebody like to you watch how this happens, a way 6:making loss and repealing laws that doesn't look like the way we learned. good to see you. will always a pleasure, jeff toobin. the congressional hearings
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afternoon here on cnn watching a congressional hearing on the radicalization of muslim americans. despite strong criticism and accusations of mccarthyist resibls, republican from new york peter king defended his controversial hearing. >> let me make it clear today that i remain convinced that these hearings must go forward and they will. to back down would be a surrender to political correctness and an abdi indication of what i believe to be the main responsibility of this committee to protect america from a terrorist attack. >> republican representative paul brown from georgia also defended the hearings. >> the focus of this hearing today is not islamic religion. it's islamist. it's the radical jihadists. it's the radicalization of our youth. >> arguably the most emotional
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testimony of the day came from the first elected muslim member of congress, democratic representative keith ellison. >> mohammed salman ham daddy was a fellow american who gave his life for other americans. his life should not be identified as just a member of an ethnic group or just a member of a religion but as an american who gave everything for his fellow americans. >> the sheriff of l.a. county, leroy baca also testified that we should be on the hunt for radicalization on all fronts and shouldn't single out individual groups. >> evidence clearly indicates a generalize of violent extremism across ideologies. therefore, we should be examining radicalization as an issue that affects all groups regardless of religion. >> one of the most heated comments came from representative sheila jackson lee. >> this hearing today is playing into al qaeda right now around the world. it is diminishing soldiers that
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are on the front line that are muslims, those who lost their lives. >> okay. those hearings are the focus of our stream team discussion today. let's get to it. i want to talk to forria unes, a former fbi agent. i'm hungry to hear from somebody who's got something to do with law enforcement. the sheriff from l.a. county gave statistics and offered good stuff but it seemed peter king was really resistant to hear from law enforcement. here's the question for you. are muslims in america and mosques and imams, are they reluctant with the u.s. government when it comes to ferreting out radicals and terrorists? >> no, ali, i firmly believe that over the last ten years, many, many more muslims are communicating with law enforcement. and i think that's really in part due to a lot of the law enforcement activity in trying to bring all members of the community into their fold so that they can all work together to deal with any issues in the
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community. >> peter bergen, cnn's national security analyst, there is this is backdrop where peter king, the congressman, is saying this is about keeping america safe and this is about ferreting out terrorism. is he right? >> well, look, representative king has every right to investigate whatever he wants as the chairman confident homeland security committee. but one of the principal claims that he's made in the run-up to this hearing is that the american muslim community isn't cooperating with law enforcement. in fact, that is simply a false assertion. the new america foundation where i work and also syracuse university has just released a study which is on cnn's web side. we looked at 175 jihadi terrorism cases since 9/11. we found using a conservative methodology that one in five of those cases originated from a tip of the muslim community because of the cooperation of a
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family member turning in someone they thought was becoming increasingly militant or radi l radical. one of the principal ideas of this hearing is factually incorrect. we heard a lot of rhetoric today as we hear in any political hearing. other than lee baca, we really didn't hear much about what the central point of the hearing was, which is that the supposed ideas that muslim americans aren't cooperating. we just heard from for yar eunice who is in a good position to say whether that's true or not. >> father cutie, let's just say putting that aside, should muslims be looking more carefully at themselves? is there something that law
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abiding american muslims should had doing simply to be doing to satisfy this call to action that peter king has put out? >> well, listen, in my conversations with the eccuminical community, with rabbis, with imams, with pastors and priests, everybody agrees that the big problem for some people is that muslims have not come out in thousands and thousands of numbers marching down the street, maybe in new york city or other places and saying we are against terrorism. this is what some people need and want. i'm not sure that that's going to do anything. i think that the sheriff said it right. my concern is the radicalization of people in all faith groups. i think we have to be very careful when we single out one group, certainly when are you in charge of homeland security, are you worried about terrorism. we're all worried about terrorism. how are we going to end this stigma of muslim equals terrorist? that's what i'm concerned about.
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over and over again and the hearings, unfortunately, only confirm that in some people. some people are pauled and some people yeah, you got to do that with these muslims because they're all suspicious. >> forria, as i an former fbi agent, if you are trying to gain the cooperation or greater cooperation of an identifiable group like muslims in america, is this a good step in the right direction, or are there more effective ways for law enforcement to do this? >> well, absolutely there's more effective ways for congress to do this, more effective ways for law enforcement to do this. i don't think too many law enforcement people have actually participated in this hearing. the fact of the matter is, ali, there may be some radicalization issues out there. they may be very minor. they may be larger than we think. but these type of hearings all they produce is little yen nation even further. i think there's proper ways to do this, there's proper ways to
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collect this information. peter bergen just quoted some of his research and his sticks. those are the ways to do it. by producing a hearing like this you are actually doing probably more harm than good and that is pushing people from communities further away. because they feel they are being judged as a whole and if you start looking at some of the recent cases, you will see that there are many muslims that went over to the fbi and helped out in many investigations. and that is what we should foster, and if there is any radicalization in the community, which i believe there may be minor pockets what we need to do as a large community is work with these parents, work with these community leaders and try to identify these issues with the assistance of the community. not pushing them up against the wall where you almost are going to have a counter effect. >> peter bergen, aside from the fact we're discovering american islam needs a better pr effort, is there some degree of an
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polgism going on for islam in america in this debate? do they need to come out and say maybe there is a greater instance of radicalization or extremism in the community, or is it not the responsibility of american muslims to do that? give me an answer in 30 seconds. >> there is a problem. i mean, pretend that there isn't would be equally wrong to say as to say the sky is falling. you know it, certainly there's been an uptick in cases in 2009 and 2010. and the muslim american community is well aware of that. at the end of the day, if there is an attack, they're going to suffer the most. they have the highest possible motivation to make sure that there are militants in their midst to basically raise their hands and they're doing that. >> peter, foria, and father albert, thanks to all of you for shedding more light than heat on this conversation. i'll be right back. tonight?
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