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patiently, they are waiting for the resurrection. david koresh, messiah. >> what can i say? they call me a rambling man, don't they? anyway, god bless and we'll sign off. snooi. it didn't sdetore a-list than demi moore and ashton kutcher. one of the most beautiful couples on screen and off. >> more than 50 films between them. beyond the glitz and glamour is what demi moore and ashton kutcher want you to know. they're pouring their hearts into the cause of a lifetime. >> most people are not aware of what is going on. >> they are working to save hundreds and thousands of children in this country and around the world who are sold for sex.
and tonight they will tell you how you can help. >> those are the guys that have to stand up and say, no, real men don't buy girls. >> in their first prime time exclusive interview today, this is a special "piers morgan tonight." now, this is a unique occasion. i don't think you two have ever been together for a prime time interview, have you? >> no, actually, we haven't. >> no, we haven't. >> i feel very honored. thank you. >> well, thank you. >> thank you for having us. >> we're going to get to the reason why you're here because it's certainly not the reasons what i want to start with, questions about your marriage and such, but you're here to talk about a sex trafficking campai campaign. it's a great campaign launch. we'll come to that later. talk to me about how things are going.
because i don't know either of you really well except when you got married, there was still a lot of cynics out there who said, it's not going to last. >> not only that, it was written that it was purely for publicity stunt. a pretty long extended -- >> it is. >> publicity -- >> pretty long winded episode of punk'd. >> how long have you been together? >> eight years. >> do you feel like you're having the last laugh for all those who mocked it? >> well, i feel like anyone who is sort of engaging themselves in tabloid press as fact will -- you'll always have the last laugh. >> so you're getting sort of older. and you seem to be almost getting younger. >> so there's a kind of moefb g i morphing here. the age gap is disintegrating. >> every day i look in the mirror and i say, what is -- you're going the other way and i'm going this way.
soon it's going to be no question. >> i think that he was always older in his being. it was just, you know, he had to add a couple of years just to get some whiskers. >> whiskers, man. >> have you started shaving now? >> it's far less keanu reeves i'm eliminating the patchiness of my beard as we go by. >> what is the secret to a happy show business marriage? and i don't mean in the context of it being a show business marriage, but as two people that are in show business and happened to be married. how have you made it work? >> well, one i think you have to make your relationship a priority. and that's a difficult balance when you have work and the combination of a career and family. i think part of it is, i think we spend very little time apart. that's one of the key things. and -- >> i would also say, working on the relationship when the relationship is good.
you know, as marriage goes, i think most people sort of set getting married as the goal as opposed to being married. >> that's very true. >> which is a different thing. like, you know, just working on it when it's good. not letting it go flat. and then finding things that you can work on together, like this project that we're working on, real men don't buy girls. it's the two of us in the trechlgs every day. we argue about it -- >> and we do. >> we are both very alpha individuals. and so -- >> and equally passionate. >> but we'll argue about it but we know that what the sort of main goal is, what the big goal is, is to transform the quality of life for people. >> and in doing so it does that for us. >> yeah. >> is he romantic? >> i would say so. >> ruggedly? >> chuck you over his shoulder and wheel you home? >> no, he's very -- he's a little bit of both.
but i will say, you know, the type of romantic is, i have -- if you go to our house, i have post-it notes placed in various locations, all with messages of encouragement or love or just thought. and some have been there, i don't know, seven years. >> really? >> yeah. >> post-it notes are much cheaper than diamond rings. >> and you can often carry a lot more weight. what's your favorite post-it note? >> wow, my favorite? i think -- well, they're all my favorite, but my most recent one was just a reminder that i was magical. >> you are a little old softie, aren't you? >> you have to stop saying this stuff in public. honestly. telling people about that publicly doesn't go over very well for me. >> let's talk about politics. because i think what unites you two -- obviously, we know you're united by twitter. we'll come to that in a moment. but i think politically you're very into issues, very into your
politics. you take that kind of thing seriously. you both campaigned pretty loudly for obama. you happy with how he's gone on? >> yeah, i am. you know, i think he walked into a really, really turbulent situation. and i think he -- you know, i think as a young politician, he sort of probably made some statements and took some stands and said, we're going to do this and we're going to do this and he got people so ral lid up behind it, and then -- and then met and realized, there's a very serious opposition, which is, you know, the other half of the country that has a very different opinion. negotiation is always about giving up so something -- at some level you have to say, what am i willing to give up in order to achieve what i want to achieve? >> and looking at the big picture. look, i think that in certain ways they weren't going to allow him to win. and so i think he's faced -- he
came into something turbulent and i think he's also faced a lot of opposition to, you know, positive changes. that said, he's a human being and nothing -- and no human being is perfect. >> and he also stepped into a task. the economic ball was rolling down the hill, right? and one guy is not going to be able to stand in front of that ball and move it back uphill. and i would say if you're a supporter or you're not, stop asking the president to do the job because we need to do the job. by the way, it's one of the reasons why i'm a big advocate of social media. is because it allows us to participate in a very real way. you can move an issue with your own voice. and you don't have to have millions of followers. >> well, doesn't this -- >> you just have to rally support. >> let's come to your prediction because you two were the first two to be addicted to twitter. i now have become addicted to
twitter. you have 6.5 million followers. demi, you have 3.5 million. i have a lot of work to do. we had a twitter show recently, fascinating, mainly because some celebrities use it to promote themselves or spread gossip, you have "new york times" reporters reporting from the middle east, breaking news on their twitter about atrocities they're witnessing in the field. when you first got into this, did you ever imagine it would become a primary news source in that way? >> no. i mean, i think -- we like a lot of the early adoerpts were just playing with it and trying to figure out, you know, what it was and how it worked. i think what was really apparent very quickly is the fact that it put you in a very pro-active and less reactive position as it pertains to how people see you. and you weren't -- you kind of had an opportunity to cut out
the middleman. >> for me, i think i look add at this platform and i thought to myself, this could be the collective consciousness, right? like, this mratd form in and of itself -- a little shout here and a little shout here, but the key was is being able to drive a link into deeper, richer content, into a tweet and then have that tweet be syndicated. >> i'm going to play a little clip from eva longoria, who i interviewed last week, about you two. >> demi moore and ashton were like the pioneers of getting everyone on twitter. i remember talking to her and saying, i can't bother. why do you do it? she said, to control what is out there about yourself. i thought about that and i thought, god, that is pretty smafrtd because then you take the bounty off gossip or you take the bounty off a picture. and then i use it so much for philanthropy. every charity i use, i use a social media. it's just -- the outreach is viral. >> you say things about twitter -- my wife says, if she
sees one more tweet from me she's basically going to divorce me. we've only been married a year. this is really disturbing. you said in an interview in "harper's bazaar," digital era is digital romance. do you tweet each other during dinner? >> i cut back. >> we have rules. >> what are the rules? >> the phone goes down at dinner. >> but we -- i actually read an article that there is actually a chemical -- i think it's like a dopamine release in your body, when you get a response. the same way in a social -- any social engagement that you're promoting a response and you get, there's actually dopamine released in your body. they say that when you get a reply to something you put out or retweet, there is an actual chemical -- >> there is an ego stroke, bottom line. >> i think all social networks, facebook, twitter, whatever it is, there's an ecosystem that exist there is and also an ego system that exists there. you can sort of see by the personalities that flash at the top where the ego is at.
>> i love the fact -- it's socially undemocratic in so many -- >> tell people in egypt it's not democracy. tell the people in libya it's not democracy where they're sitting behind a government-run news source that is prornlging the same images, the same statement over and over and over again and finally they get their true, real voice to be heard. i mean, in oe proess ive societies this kind of social media, this kind of democraticization of media is crumbling infrastructures that have existed for decades. so, to not -- to say it's not democracy at its truest, i think, is wrong. i think that's absolutely wrong. >> but isn't it slightly p perverse? >> it is. there are issues like ma liar yeah that don't get ad dollars to it or human trafficking that doesn't get -- >> that's what i was going to say. >> -- get the political push and
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so, in january we visited the united states/mexico border with the united states state department where we met a girl who told us about how she was trafficked into the united states, how she was taken into a field by her pimp and raped by 30 men on a trash bag. that's the day that we established our foundation, the dna foundation, which stands for the fundamental right to freedom for every person because it's within our dna. >> that's a very powerful statement. you could tell the emotion in your voice. but, you know, it was hardly surprising given what you were talking about. this has now become a pretty full-on come pain for you guys. tell me more about what
triggered this for you? >> well, we had been talking about the fact that we supported various causes and all of them, you know, had real value, but that we really hadn't found something that we connected to, that we felt we could really get behind. we were actually sitting at home one night and we saw this program that was a documentary highlighting the issue of slavery in cambodia. and the thing that really just was devastating is seeing these 5, 6 and 7-year-olds who were being repeatedly raped for profit. and just seemed impossible to live in a world where that was going on and not really do something about it. >> how big a factor was it that you've got three young girls yourself and you could look at them and, perhaps, see them transplanted into this hideous world? >> the average age into the sex
trade is 13 years old. that's globally. most people see this and say, that's a problem in cambodia or -- >> india or nepal. >> it's happening in united states. there's between 100,000 and 3 300,000 child sex slaves in the united states today. so when we go home sitting around the dinner table with our girls and we're thinking, you know, 13, 14, you know, 10, 11, 12 -year-old girls, if you don't do something to stop that, that's when there's something wrong with you, in my opinion. >> the campaign, obviously, has been gathering a lot of momentum. you launched it bug time this week. with a big series of videos including lots of famous people. wasn't the easiest sell reading some of your comments about this. a lot of people, famous friends of yours, didn't want to get involved. why was that, do you think? >> well, i think that there's a subsect of what we're looking at. and it's sort of dangerously
bleeds over into something people are accustomed to. >> prostitution. >> right. so, what we're focusing on is child sex slavery. when the line bleeds into prostitution, people have a little bit of trepidation because they say to themselves, well f you're 18 years old, 19 years old, 20 years old and you decide this is what you want to do with your life, you should be able to choose that. and neither of us are sitting here saying that that's not -- that we don't respect someone's right to choose that. but at the same time, when you look at it and you say, all right, if the average age of entry is 13, what 13-year-old girl is choosing this as their profession? and does a 13-year-old really have that choice? so, maybe they were a pitch -- >> even those who have become of age have probably been there since they were a minor and
really have now either been stigmatized or don't they have any other options. we've come across that a lot with the survivors we've spoken to. >> we'll play a little clip before we go on. it's from the real men don't buy girls campaign. let's just watch this and come back after this. >> real men know how to use an iron. real men know how to use the remote. real men know how to make a meal. real men prefer a close shave. real men don't buy girls. >> piers morgan is a real man. are you? >> already my favorite commercial of the year. for obvious reasons. >> thank you, by the way, for standing up to be a real man.
>> we appreciate it. >> well, no, the pleasure was all mine. obviously, i think eva longoria gave me that endorsement. the key point is anybody can put themselves into that picture frame and celebrities like eva who have contributed to this have recorded hundreds of mainstream names. it was a very smart idea. what i would say to you, there's a conundrum here, isn't there? on one hand you're using social media very aggressively to spread the word about this campaign. oern on the other hand, you will both know one of the reason these predators can operate in a easier way because they did is social media. the grooming process can be doing on facebook when no one is looking. what do you think about this conundrum? >> that's why we're using social media for this campaign, to go into the heart of where it's taking place. 76% of the transactions for child sex slavery is actually happening online. so, if we can motivate people while they're online to do -- to do something about that, then we
can make a dent. so, once people -- if people go to facebook.com/dnafoundation, they can put themselves in a video, share that video with their friends. our hope is next they're go to the action tab and inside our action tab, we lay out some specifically defined initiatives that people can do online to flag this. we want the social web to become the police for human trafficking online. they can do it. you can go to craigslist and you can flag the pages that look like it's -- it's child trafficking, go to backpage and flag those things. people can start to actually unroot this at its root. >> we're going to take a break. when we come back, we're going to hear from a victim of sex trafficking, a 17-year-old girl. we're going to call her nicole. it's pretty powerful stuff. ♪
i started when i was 1 1 years old. i used to make probably like 1500 a night because i was young and because i have a petite body and i had the kind of body that the child abusers were looking for. i'm not going to label them as johns. >> somebody else for a firsthand account of the horrors of sex trafficking, we're concealing her identity, we're call her nicole for the purposes of this
interview. she's 17 years old and an american citizen. she's joining us from an undisclosed location. she wants to share her stories as sex trafficker when she was an underage girl. thank you for having the courage to do this interview. >> you're welcome. >> tell me what your childhood was like. >> well, when i was 13 years old, my dad had went to jail. and then my mom was really bad on drugs. and i started running away and talking to people on the internet, which led me to my pimp. and i was trying to find a way to escape my problems at my house. >> and so was he deceitful in the kind of person that he described himself as? >> he told -- he lied to me about his age. he put himself out there as he was a good person. >> and that is a very familiar tactic, isn't it, of these pimps that to start with they are incredibly nice and generous and they seem like the perfect guys.
>> a certain courting, almost, like -- >> demi, let me bring you in. is this a familiar story of how these things start? >> no, what she's describing is a -- the stories do start to take on a very similar kind of framework with the pimp courting, taking them shopping, and then once they seem to be comfortable and trusting, then it flips. >> nicole, when you were under the control of this man, how bad was your life then and what did he put you through? >> well, at first he told me, you know, i'll take you shopping and i will give you anything thaw want and i will take you out of the life that you're in. and he told me, you know, that everything would be fine. he would just provide for me everything that i wanted and needed. and then about maybe the third
day, he started, you know, hitting me and started, i don't know, trying to take control over me and over my life. then he refused to let me go home. and when i had found out that i was pregnant, he told me -- and i asked him, could i go home that day. he told me, no i couldn't. and then that's when i started getting really emotional about it and i was scared. and he said that if you don't go home, i'll still provide for you and i'll still help you and everything will be okay and you won't have to go back to the situation you was in. and i told him, no i still wanted to go home. he had beat me that day. and i lost the baby. and then he had locked me up in the bathroom and told me i couldn't leave. about the fourth day, i had found a way out of the bathroom when he was gone. i went to the window and i went home. >> when you were in the clutches of this man, was it just him that was abusing you or was he
selling you onto her men? what was going on? >> at first it was just him. and then when i had escaped to get home i had to call somebody. he come and picked me up. and then we went to this hotel room and then i sex with three other men. and then that's how i got home. they had to take me home. and i had to have sex with them for them to take me home. >> how old were you then? >> i was around 14, 15. >> ashton, i can see you getting emotional just listening to this. to see one of the many stories you've had to listen to. it moves you. >> no, it's the same story. there are often different variables but it's the same story. you know, you go, okay, the guy -- the trafficker, the slave owner that's doing this, that's pimping this girl, this guy, we can all just sort of go, that's not -- that's not a good person, right?
but where the ambiguity comes in is the guy that's buying this girl because some guy -- for that guy to want to sell that girl and continue to sell that girl, he had to be making money. and so some guy went and bought that girl. and, you know, maybe she showed up or maybe she was there and she looked a little young but he didn't bother to ask. he didn't bother to help. he didn't bother -- >> even if they ask they don't -- they go, okay. >> any one of those guys could have stopped it. and who's the guy going out to do that? you know who that guy is, on average? he's 30 years old. he's married. he has no criminal record. because there's an assumption in society, there's a cultural conditioning that takes place, and it happens in locker rooms and places all around the country of guysgoing, you know, it's not that i guess about of a deal, just whatever, you know. that's what's got to stop. those are the guys that have to
stand up and say, no, real men don't buy girls. >> and what -- finally, nicole, what would you say to other girl who is find themselves in the same kind of situation? >> i would tell them to go to an adult that is trustworthy and that would listen to them. and that they're worthwhile waiting on and they have a lot of people that do care for them and are there for them. i do want to tell them it's not worth it. they'll be okay at the end of the day if they just try to get help. i just want them to know i'm praying for them. >> demi? >> one of the things i'm hearing and i think about -- you know, why do we even have our young girls in this position in the first place? part of why we wanted to focus on the demand side is, you know, the risk is very low for the buyers and the sellers. what we have is 80% of the girls
are criminalized. we have only four states that have a safe harbor act which basically identifies an underage girl as a victim of rape, otherwise they're criminalized as a prostitute and put through the criminal justice system and it's never addressed that they are being controlled, that they're being repeatedly raped for profit, profit they never see. and i think that we have a lot of work to do. and a big part of that is re-identifying what the face of a slave is today. and it's our children. >> because it was interesting talking to nicole there, in a sense there are many forms that this abuse takes. this is a multi-faceted phenomenal of abuse, isn't it? >> yeah. >> it's a -- >> and then the abuse continues. if there's one thing that i could -- i can say to nicole, it's that i won't judge you for what somebody else did to you.
>> yeah. >> because when these girls are trying -- there are people out there trying to help these girls. and when they get out of this, there's this fear of judgment, because we as a society also demean those women. we say they're whores and sluts and so on and put them as a different class of human being. and if we can start to recognize them as victims, as survivors of -- >> of a heinous crime. >> -- of a heinous crime, i think that will also sort of change these girls' willingness to leave. >> and sometimes also a lack of opportunity on the other side. >> yeah. and a fear that they're going to be judged. at least that guy doesn't judge me for what i've done. >> nicole, thank you very much for finding the courage to talk to me. i really appreciate it.
>> you're welcome. >> thank you, nicole. >> thank you, nicole. >> you're welcome. >> when we come back after break, we're going to talk about the culprits behind this, the men you really are targeting in this campaign, which is the guys who are doing the paying of these girls. ♪ what do you see yourself doing after you do retire? client comes in and they have a box. and inside that box is their financial life. people wake up and realize. "i better start doing something." we open up that box. we organize it. and we make decisions. we really are here to help you. they look back and think "wow. i never thought i could do this." but we've actually done it. [ male announcer ] visit ameriprise.com and put a confident retirement more within reach.
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that's how you catch dates up. wave and let them know what's going on. you put your finger in your mouth you ain't no baby. >> that was video shot in washington, d.c. sexual slavery is rampant there, just four blocks from the white house. and joining us is brad, one of the leading nonprofiting human trafficking charities and modern day slavery in the united states. brad miles, what is a sex trafficker? >> well, piers, i think you saw this. i mean, you saw that a trafficker really is a pimp. and in many ways, you have pimps are pimping children, those are sex traffickers. and you have pimps that are pimping adult women using the violence and the force. those are sex traffickers, too. and so the traffickers there, they're asian, latino, eastern european, families, gangs, u.s. citizens, they're all over the map, and what they're really
doing is profiting off the sale of these women and girls. >> we talked to a young girl named nicole earlier who had been lured on the internet by this character -- >> all across the country we're hearing these stories. there's a national hot line for the country that polaris operates that we're hearing these calls every day about the common tactics that the traffickers use. the luring, the grooming, the compliments. and then the bait and switch and the violence starts. and then the abuse and the torture and then the quotas. and we just hear -- you heard ashton say earlier, it's the same story. and when we're sitting here on the national hot line and we're hearing hundreds of calls from every state across the country, it's the same story. and so, we need to wrap our brains around this. we need to say, this is happening. and we're going to do something about it. and it's just awful that this is happening. and it's so similar across the country. >> not only is it similar across the country, and we'll get into it later, but it's exactly
identical, slightly different cultural, you know, dynamics. i was just in nepal and it's exactly the same. basically the same average age of entry, same target they're going after and some of the same tactics. >> brad, let me bring you in again. one of the key problems here is a lot of girls get taken out of their country and they get quickly shipped to eastern europe or asia, wherever it may be, where they're removed quickly from friends and family. how do those girls, without the help of organizations like yourselves, how do they ever get out of that psych snl. >> i think that's a really common question of, how do they get trapped? what are the things that keep them there? and you mentioned it right there. there's the violence, the isolation, you don't know what help is out there. you don't have a social support network around you. you don't know that there are organizations out there like polaris or gems or others, you
don't know there's a national hot line. like ashton was talking about earlier, there's the fear of being judged and traffickers play on the shame and the guilt. all that combines together into a really powerful cocktail that really controls these women and girls. and i think that the traffickers perceive there's high profit at that low risk. what we need to do is we need to combat those profits and we need to increase the risk. so, when ashton's talking about making the social media the police of the internet, what that's doing is increasing risk for the traffickers and johns. that's what we need to be doing. >> brad myles, thank you very much, indeed. coming off the break, how much money is being made in sex slavery? we'll find out. i'm phil mickelson, pro golfer. if you have painful, swollen joints, i've been in your shoes. one day i'm on p of the world... the next i'm saying... i have this thing called psoriatic arthritis.
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after time while their pimps often get off scot-free. still with us, demi moore and ashton kutcher. tell me what your findings have been about modern sex slavery? >> i would say that there's at a minimum, based on my data sampling around the world and by that i mean going into brothels, massage parlors, apartments and clubs where these children being sold for sex, at a minimum 1.5 sex traffic slaves today generating profits in 2010 that exceeded $39 billion. >> i mean, that's a staggering sum of money. >> well, and if you work it out on a per slave basis, okay, the global weighted average is around $29,000 in profit per slave per year. now, the acquisition costs of the average traffic sex slave is
under $2,000. so, right there the return on investment is staggering. that's what drives interest for criminals and organized crime groups to get involved in the wonton sexual exploration of women and children. >> how much is the u.s. government spending on, say, policing drugs compared to sex slavery? >> great question, piers. and in general, the u.s. government spends around 300 to 350 times more money combating drug trafficking than it does human trafficking. that's a sad statement of our moral priorities. >> people watching this will be wondering, okay, we see the problem, we see the scale of it. how should the law be changed now? if you were -- if you were in charge of policy in this area, what's the key thing that should be done? >> well, first, look, the reason why we've initiated this campaign is we have to create awareness. you have to acknowledge a
problem exists before you can actually go about finding a solution. and what we've found is that most people aren't even aware of what's going on. and i think it hasn't been a high priority because it really hasn't been pushed forward. i think that we have a few small things. one, i think we need to spend a little bit more money training our law enforcement because if their mandate is so to clean up prostitution, what they're doing is going out and arresting prostitutes. but we're just constantly, then, addressing the effect. and i think we need to get to the cause. and the cause is the demand. that's the buyers and sellers. you know, one of the things i mentioned earlier is the safe harbor act, which is a simple law that we have only four states officially that have adopted this, which is identifying an underage girl as a victim of rape.
and i think we have only -- only four -- there's like four or five states that still don't even consider human trafficking a felony. so, i think we have some -- >> there's also age mistake defense laws where a guy can go into a courtroom and say, oh, i didn't know she was of that age you're buying a human being, the age mistake defense law is sort of -- kind of doesn't make a whole lot of sense anymore, and i think that, you know, we can address that as well, so there's legislation state by state that can improve it, but i think back to what demi said, the thing that's going to improve it the most is people not buying, you know. >> what i like about the campaign is it's got humor. it's got big celebrity power. it's going to get to the kind of demographic that i guess we're talking about here, and it seems to me the real problem from all that we've been discussing is that a lot of these guys just aren't aware of the crime they are committing.
>> yeah. >> as you say, they think the women are up for it when actually they are not. they are being tortured and maimed and threatened with death to be up for it. >> i'll give you a perfect example. i met a girl who is now i think 18. she was 11 years old, taken in by a pimp, the same way described by nicole. he took her to mcdonald's. he took her to the mall. she clearly was a little lost in looking for a place of belonging, and then once comfortable within, you know, a few days she was given a quota, as brad was mentioning, and that was $1,500 a night. if she's didn't make that quota, she was put into a tub of ice or beaten with whatever was handy. her pimp was referred to as daddy day care because he had all of the really young, young girls, and he loaded them in a car, drove them to vegas. there wasn't enough room in the car and put two of them, including her, into a trunk.
arrived, posted them all on craigslist and went to work. it's a vicious cycle, but he clearly doesn't feel that there was enormous risk in his endeavor, and i don't think today is caught. >> shocking stuff. and when we come back after the break, i want to wrap up the debate here and also find out what you two are going to be up going forward outside of this, even though i know -- takes up all of our time. ♪ >takes up all of . . . , buildi up our wireless network all across america. we're adding new cell sites... increasing network capacity... and making a substantial investment to improve your wireless network experience. from a single phone call to the most advanced data download, we're covering more people in more places than ever before in an effort to give you the best network possible.
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it's been a fascinating hour. i mean, gruesome in many ways, but i hope it will raise the awareness that you're after to try and get people to understand what this is really all about. you said that you're both committed to the cause, whether it's 30 days or 30 years. do you mean that? i mean, could you be in this for 30 years? >> probably longer. >> i mean, i think that this isn't an issue that you can step into and expect to, you know, have a -- have a big win quickly. it's too complex, and some of the best advice we got in the very beginning when we were exploring this was be prepared to be in it for the long haul. >> how do you find the washington sharks compared to the hollywood sharks? you've been lobbying politicians. are they easy to deal with in the hollywood moguls that you've
had to wrestle with before? >> you know what i would say, not just exclusive to washington, but i think from when we started getting involved in this issue, which is now almost three years ago, where it was very difficult to even get the conversations going, not very popular to really the last six months to a year where i think that the general awareness is starting to rise, and i think the urgency is starting to be felt, and so i -- i think the one thing about this issue is i don't think that there's anybody who disagrees that it's unacceptable. i think it's totally bipartisan, and it's just a matter of -- of really forcing the hand to make it a priority and -- and getting law enforcement to be given the directive to -- to go after what's the cause which is the traffickers and the johns. i mean, to get a slap on the wrist and maybe a $200 fine and john school, i mean, you know,
speaking of drugs. drugs come with a -- with a harsher punishment buying drugs than buying a human being. >> obviously you've worked very successfully on this together and passionately, an you've worked hard on the marriage. we've already discussed that and twitter. i suppose the obvious gap in all this, in these joint ventures is what you're supposed to be, you two, which is movie stars. >> we're trying to fit that in a little bit. >> will you remake "indecent proposal?" you can play the -- >> i'm not playing woody. i'm not playing woody. >> now what are you up to movie-wise? >> i just finished a move called "new year's eve" and now i'm finishing this campaign, and then i'm going to go hunt for work. >> and i have "lol" that i do with miley cyrus and another film "margin call," about the crash, the financial crisis, and what was the other one, "another
happy day" with ellen barkin and ellen burtsin. >> what was that other movie? >> you sounded so passionate and focused about the issue that you're absorbed with. has it taken over in priorities, for both of you? >> yes. >> it depends. you know, when -- the thing about it is that when you're done with a movie, you're done with a movie. i don't think that we're ever going to be done with this issue, so -- >> i mean, it bleeds into everything. >> this one sits with you every single day. you know, it's like our fourth kid right now. >> i think we -- we want to make a difference with this. we don't want to just come and talk about it. we want to actually see it change, and -- and that isn't going to come by us just jumping in and doing a little bit and coming and talking. it really does require that depth of commitment. >> and it's about doing the other people that have been working on this issue for so long justice. >> well, you're doing a great job.