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the other since october 8th were caught earlier this evening, at 6:40 this afternoon. i am reading the information now. both were caught at the coconut grove inn up the road from where we are at at 6:40 local time. these fugitives caused a big problem, an issue, a very embarrassing issue for all agencies involved here. a lot of questions asked as to how they could have escaped the facility behind me. to recap, these fugitives forged documents that allowed them to get out early. of course, no one was able to tell how that happened. a lot of finger pointing going on. clearly, a successful capture of these two suspects without incident, just a short time ago, 6:40 caught in panama city beach. it appears they were together. don? >> a little more, let's talk about the suspects, their
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pictures are up on the screen. inmate charles walker, 34. he was serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole until this forged paperwork came about that has a lot of people asking questions. life without the possibility of parole on a second degree murder conviction. he escaped from the franklin county correctional institution this year after they received fraudulent release of the documents from the clerk of court. then the other inmate here, nick, who they just caught is joseph jenkins, 34, serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole as well. he was serving on a first degree murder conviction, again, escaping happening in orange county. he escaped from the franklin county correctional institution after the department received fraudulent papers. second degree murder charge,
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first degree murder charge, shouldn't say charge, convictions. they are out there on the loose. earlier, do we have the mother earlier, pleading with one of her sons? one of the mothers pleaded earlier for him to turn himself in. nick, let's listen. >> charles, is there anything too hard for god? god knows who you are. i know who you are. your family knows who you are. we want you to return home safely. >> that is charles walker's mother, nick, pleading with him to come out early. you have been speaking to family members of victims as well. it's important, also, to point out to viewers, nick, this is just 80 miles in panama city from the prison where they escaped in franklin county. they did not get very far. >> that's right. all along, the sheriff's department in orlando, they were
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from around the same neighborhood in the orlando neighborhood. all along, they were suspecting they were still in the state of florida, despite what they did, forging the documents to get out. just a few more details about their capture. the u.s. marshall service, in conjunction with the florida department of law enforcement were able to capture these two earlier this evening. if you remember, over the course of the last week, there's been so much finger pointing and questions as to how this could happen. but, they were able to do it. to recap, they said they did nothing wrong in processing the paperwork. they were following the procedures of the court order. we learned throughout the course of the week, this isn't the first time it happened. there was another, third man who tried to forge documents as well for an early release. he was caught before he was released. these two suspects, the two convicted killers, as you
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mentioned, both charles walker and joseph jenkins, both serving life sentences in this correcti correctional facility behind me. this was a clever way to get out of the facility. they were on the run. the family members pleading for their sons to give themselves up. we don't know whether or not they saw that press conference, but these arrests came a couple hours after that press conference where the family members, you just played the soundbyte where she pleaded to her son to turn himself in. we heard from the so-called father figure in the life of joseph jenkins, asking joseph jenkins to turn himself in. the details that emerged from that press conference, don, incredible to see and hear these two individuals were walking amongst us as if nothing was wrong. we also understand, they
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voluntarily checked themselves to be committed as felons. there's a procedure after you are released to check yourself in with the clerk of the court to voluntarily say you are a felon. they did that as some speculated that they did that not to raise any red flags. we know that they attended church services. they were seen at the mall, not together, but we have sightings and sources telling us that. the family members say they were not involved at all in their escape. they reiterated that at the press conference. we heard from walker's mother saying she has nothing to do with it and she made no attempt to try to conceal the where abouts of her son. some very good news for the agencies that were involved in this bureaucratic bungle that led to these two convicted killers being released early from the facility behind me. don? >> stand by. we have a lot to cover here.
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i want to update the viewers here. those two inmates that were released on not even a technicality, they were forged documents in florida, they have been arrested, again. the florida department of law enforcement along with the u.s. marshaller vis arrested the two escaped inmates. both of them, 34 years old. the fugitives were found at the coconut grove motor inn in panama city, florida, around 6:40 p.m. i would imagine panama city, florida, central time. it may have been an hour ago. panama city, florida, 6:40 p.m. apprehended without incident. charles walker, we played his mom pleading for his return. 34 years old serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole. the other inmate, joseph jenkins, 34, serving life sentence without the possibility of parole. he was in for a first degree murder conviction. the first man, charles walker
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was for a second degree murder conviction. they have now been apprehended. nick valencia is standing by for us. john, also we are getting him up. he's going to be with us shortly. he's been covering this as well and danny, our legal analyst will join me to talk about what's going on. join me after a quick break. again, these two escaped inmates back in custody. details on the other side of this quick break. don't go anywhere. people don't have to think about where their electricity comes from. they flip the switch-- and the light comes on. it's our job to make sure that it does. using natural gas this power plant can produce enough energy for about 600,000 homes. generating electricity that's cleaner and reliable, with fewer emissions-- it matters. ♪
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the breaking news here on
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cnn. two escaped convicts now back in custody in florida after they forged documents when they were serving life sentences without the possibility of parole. they managed to escape and have been on the run really now for weeks. they really weren't on the run in the beginning because they were visiting family members, going to church and visiting grandparents. when the scheme came to light about them forging the documents, it's when they went into hiding. according to florida officials, they only got 80 miles away from the institution they were housed to panama city, florida. it's where authorities caught them. i want to bring in danny, a legal analyst here on cnn. it's very interesting. so, to try to figure out how they forged the documents and how it came about. they are not the only ones that have gotten away with this. >> well, early release by accident is nothing new. we don't know yet exactly how
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they were able to forge the documents. i can tell you this, one of the greatest conveniences have been electronic filing. documents used to be official meaning you get a stamp and red ink. now, the courts are exclusively electronic filing. it's a pdf on your computer. i was able to find one of judge perry's orders online in pdf form. once you have that, all you have to do is crop it, stick it on a piece of paper and voila, you have his signature on anything you want to create. the electronic system made life convenience. like any other technology, it has its risks. >> apparently here, one of the officials really thought twice about the documents and had their concerns but because he was pressured saying this is the law, i have to let them go. >> sure. there are so many moving parts
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in the prison system. the communication between the court system is not always so smooth. it's no surprise that each person who reviews the document had concerns could have run it up the flag pole. a signature is a signature. a signature is a signature until it didn't. we are in an era where people are signing things and cutting and pasting images. i found a signature, an electronic signature, a slash, s and slash and sign your name. a lot of documents don't use the hand signature anymore. it's slash s slash and my name typed out. court order. >> do we know how many people have done or could be trying to do this same thing? >> who knows. it requires some level of sophistication. they need a laptop and they don't have them in prison.
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>> they need help. >> they do. this is conjecture. more, people in the legal field have access to more private court documents. george perry has been around in the public eye. less known judges have ordered to get into the dockets, secure areas. the reality is once you have a judge's signature and know about the format of a court document, it is easy to generate some kind of facsimile. >> they talked about the town. one left in early october, one left october 8th. the other left in late september, september 27th. that's according to authorities. they had motions indicating the sentences had been reduced as well as court orders granting the request. they discovered the documents were forged. they contain bogus reproductions of key player signatures
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including jeffrey ashton and judge perry, for the seal of the orange county clerk. prosecutors learned about what happened was after they were contacted by a member of walker's family. the family said hey, listen, these guys are out, how did it happen? >> sure. these guys actually left and then went on to register as felons in their local official's office, the sheriff's office. they behaved as if they were legitimately released. you wonder if they believed it on some level. i should add, you mention jeff ashton, he is a very famous prosecutor. he was casey anthony's prosecutor. when you have high profile people, they put the important motions online and you can access them on pdf. his signature is out there and just as easy to find. >> i want to update the viewers
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then get to nick valencia. the department of law enforcement and the u.s. marshall service announcing they caught the inmates. charles walker and joseph jenkins, both 34 years old. they were fugitives found at coconut grove in panama city, florida, 6:40 p.m. those are the two men there. i want to thank danny. nick valencia following the story as well. nick is in florida. nick is working his sources, i'm told, to try to get more information. we'll get to him shortly. in the meantime, danny, we're going to thank you and we will be back in just a minute with more information on this. also, i want to tell you, 8:00 eastern we'll have more on this case, the inmates released and now captured. certainly adds a fascinating element to the program tonight. what happens next for them? making the case here at 8:00 on
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cnn. it's going to be an interesting program. moving on now, let's talk about the affordable care act or obama care as it's known. it might be the last legacy of president obama. right now, the only thing that is lasting are problems with the website. how did this happen? does this thing need to be scrapped and rebuilt from scratch? that's next. plus this, a girl's blog post has landed her in the middle of a class warfare controversy. she tilted it. i'm not going to pretend. i'm not going to pretend that i'm poor to be accepted by you. that's a head. [ male announcer ] if you can clear a crowd but not your nasal congestion, you may be muddling through allergies. try zyrtec-d®. powerful relief of nasal congestion and other allergy symptoms -- all in one pill. zyrtec-d®. at the pharmacy counter. that's why there's new duracell quantum.
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reached a $13 billion deal for investigations of the mortgage business. they tell cnn the deal provides jpmorgan chase would pay $9 billion in fines and penalties. mortgage backed securities helped trigger to collapse that caused a financial crisis. edwin is tracking the story. how it might help homeowners under water. here is what he said. >> for homeowners, there might be some of this money that will end up benefiting people whose mortgages are under water, for instance. there's $4 billion in this deal that is supposed to go toward consumer relief. >> jpmorgan executives and workers could face charges in the future. the official tells cnn the deal does not include a nonprosecution agreement the
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company so fought for. headaches are becoming a pre-existing condition for anyone who tries to sign up for obama care. let's be honest, the rollout of the exchanges has been nothing less than a fiasco. it's taking forever for people to sign up. that's if you can even sign up and access the system at all. what happened? i want to bring in russ. he's here to help us out. russ, the question is, quickly, what happened? >> small question. thanks, don. what happened? first of all, like anything you create or build, you have to start with the end in mind. unfortunately, i don't think they did that. if you were to build a house and try to design it as you go, you may get confused at the end where you wanted the master bedroom. here we are. we launched the website.
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millions of people are trying to sign up. we have one more month to sign up to have health care by january 1st. they only did four days of testing, not six months of testing that they needed to. so, the first thing is the proper design. the second thing is testing. but, it's already starting to get better. they put a lot of hardware behind, more computers and power that's making it faster. it's starting to get there. >> i have to point out, i want to give your title. you are the president of media temple. president of media temple, a kuhn company that pows millions of websites. if you had to pick one flaw in this, what do you think it would be? >> right. so we have millions of websites. people come to us to ask what their flaws are. this is exactly what we do every day. the one flaw would be they tried to launch a website without --
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like i said, with the end in mind. understanding they had to sign up millions of people on this website. so, just on -- there's a few layers. the first layer is the website you need to go to. the user interface is complicated. the second is the code. there's still test code in that website. when it gets delivered to your computer, it's delivering lot of code that doesn't need to be there. the third component is all the integration to the back end systems. the irs and social security and all the different systems. it is a very complex process. the one thing is let's focus on the front end. >> focus on the front end. you said there's code in there that doesn't need to be. this should have been figured out months, if not weeks, months ago, right? how hard do you think it will be to fix? can it be rebooted or start from
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scratch? >> you don't rip down your house if you want to change it around a little. you don't have to start from scratch, but they do have to accept that they need a major overhaul. from the architecture, i think they are trying to do too much. how do you take away features? if you want to get people signed up, if that's your number one goal, how do you take away all the things you are trying to get the website to accomplish? don't have them sign in before they look for plans. make it as easy as possible. right now, it's way too complex. they are trying to solve all problems. they are trying to get you to sign up before you look for a plan. how about have people browse plans, then you can have them sign up. >> $292 million for a website that doesn't work. did the u.s. taxpayers get scammed? >> right. so you and i paid for this, right? i don't know about scammed. they worked hard to do this,
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but, i think when you start, especially in technology, if you start a project without understanding exactly what the day you are going to launch and work backwards. for instance, the news is broke they had literally four to six days to test this. their requirements were moving. they were changing the design of the website until one week before they launched it. normally, you would have code complete. you would stop developing the website for six months before you launch, not four to six days. >> all right. thank you. very good information, appreciate it. >> thanks, don. senator ted cruz, speaking out for the first time since the shutdown ended. you are not going to believe what he told cnn exclusively. man: [ laughs ] those look like baby steps now.
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morning ladies and gentlemen. >> morning. >> morning. >> for visitors to washington, d.c., national sites around the country, this was the most welcome sight of the week. federal park monuments, museums and libraries were all closed for 16 days. the original national park, yellowstone was closed for more than two weeks. now the gates are open. campers and hikers are streaming
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in again. it's a lovely sight to see. he has only been a senator since the beginning of the year. ted cruz has had a big impact. the man who led the charge that forced the government shutdown is speaking out and talking to cnn. he spoke to a republican women's group earlier where he criticized his own party for not backing house republicans and their push for changes to obama care. he talked to the chief correspondent dana bash. >> reporter: in washington, senator ted cruz may be one of the most reviled characters in politics. here in texas, he is revered. he got a standing ovation from a room full of about 800 texas republican women saying he did exactly what they wanted him to, standing up for principle. it's why he told us he is doing the right thing and his fellow republicans in the senate he had the strongest words for. one of your colleagues said it
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was like an intervention. there were so many colleagues says, why are you doing this and really angry at you. i'm just wondering, even on a human level, they told me you really didn't flinch. that's got to bother you to be sitting in an institution like the senate and having not democrats, fellow republicans angry at you. >> not remotely. >> why? >> the people i work for are the women and men you saw. i work for 26 million texans. it's my job to fight for them. i don't work for the party bosses in washington. i work for the people in texas and i fight for them. the reason people are frustrated all over the country is far too many people get elected and they they are there to be part of the club. you know what was interesting about some of those closed door discussions, what i said in the closed door discussions, i would have said the exact same thing if cnn cameras were in the room.
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>> reporter: he told us he absolutely has no regrets and continues to fight on even in the face of a lot of opposition from republicans and in the face of a deadline. another one, january 15th, coming right up that could cause another government shutdown. more on that on sunday on "state of the union." >> you can see more of her exclusive interview with senator ted cruz along with an interview with john mccain tomorrow morning 9:00 am eastern. a girl's blog post stirs up an online war. rich versus poor. it's a cyber class warfare. itis next. plus this, incredible video. a would be robber reaches into his vehicle and steals a woman's purse. hold on, her young son chases the guy down. what happened? we have both of the stories straight ahead. [ driver ] todae knew all about a bike accident, just by talking to a helmet.
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they did it by means of forged documents. forged documents that got them free but they are still considered escaped inmates because it was forged. families pleading earlier throughout the week that they both turn themselves in. they did not turn themselves in. they were found in panama city, florida. they were captured without incident. we are going to continue to bring you the latest on that story throughout the evening here on cnn. then, at the top of the hour, at 8:00 eastern, we're going to have much, much more on this particular case. this is a new facet. the florida inmates accidentally released are captured tonight. what happens next? it's called "making the case." it airs in about 20 minutes or so. in the meantime, other news to tell you about. the former mayor of san diego was booked into jail. bob filner pleaded guilty to felony and misdemeanor charges
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stemming from his behavior from three women who say he kissed and groped them. the sheriff's office says he was booked this morning and released a few hours later. he was san diego's mayor for a few months when the sexual harassment charges started flying. 19 women came forward saying filner was inappropriate with them. he resigned in august. rosa flores joins us now with headlines capturing the nation. >> good evening, don. good evening to you at home. a blog post from a young girl is stirring up controversy about income inequality. the title of her post, quote, i'm not going to pretend that i'm poor to be accepted by you. rachel sackings goes on to say, i'm not one of those people who try to be poor to relate to people. i think it's honestly disgusting behavior. the post was inspired by a trip to the grocery store and what
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she describes as an encounter with a rude cashier that made her feel like a turd for coming from a family with money. people said why should you apologize for a situation you were born into? it's the same concept as apologizing for being good at a sport or being an amazing dancer. brooklyn responded, silly girl, you don't have to pretend to be poor to be accepted by me. you'll never be accepted by me. these are some of the comments we are able to share with you. most of them, as you might imagine, well, are not fit for tv. sounds like this girl from this story could learn a little something from the 8-year-old in this next story who chased down a thief who stole his mom's purse. you have to take a look at this surveillance video. a thief goes for the purse inside the vehicle. you can't see him, but the
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8-year-old was inside that vehicle and he tries to stop him. when the thief takes off, he goes after him and believe it or not, folks, he manages to recover his mother's wallet. a lesson why he says he wasn't going to give up. >> my sister's party was coming up and i wanted her to have her party. i wanted my mom to get all of her stuff back. >> he's so precious. there's nothing safe about the next unwanted encounter. you are going to have to look at this, too. yeah, that's a deer in a convenience store in ohio. the deer busts through a window. customers run in all directions. some hide in the closet as the buck wonders into the store. this didn't happen in a rural area. it appears the deer weaved through five lanes of traffic before bust sboog the store. the bad news?
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authorities had to put the deer down, all in the name of safety. >> rosa, no. >> it doesn't have a good ending, but back to the little boy. was he just not so precious. >> he was. poor bambi, gone. that was a cute kid. >> he was going to protect that money. >> amen. we like him. >> hard working man. >> thank you. see you in a little bit. the football game officially ended today, 1-0. very strange, but no one took the field after a player revolt. they were forced to forfeit the game. what led to this and could the players lose their scholarships, next.
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they clinched their spot last night. i happened to be in l.a. last night. it was not a happy time there. nba legend bill russell was arrested at the seattle airport when the tsa found a loaded handgun in his carry on bag. he was issued a citation and let go. he faces a fine up to $7,500, we'll keep you updated. s former houston oilers, bum phillips has died. he was a pure texas known for his giant stetson and cowboy boots. he turned the oilers franchise into winners in the '70s and '80s. he took houston to the lead championship game from earl campbell. he loved that hat, didn't he? his death was announced by his son, wade. bum phillips dead at the age of 90.
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police are trying to figure out who killed a 20-year-old eastern michigan football player. someone shot reid friday at his off campus apartment. his roommate found the body. they went ahead with the game and lost to ohio university. one of the most storied football programs facing mutiny. they had to forfeit today's game against jackson state because only 22 players showed up friday to board the bus. players have been angry since head coach doug williams was fired in september. his replacement was reassigned earlier this week and players walked out of a tuesday meeting and boycotted two days of practice. want to talk about this with anderson, a former college running back. i grew up in louisiana. my mom went to southern, my
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uncle went to grambling. it's a huge story. a black institution led by eddie robinson, one of the greatest coaches in the game. sent many players to the nfl. what is your reaction to this? what is going on? is this team unraveling? >> caller: you know, i'm proud of the players on that football team for standing up for several things. number one, you know, let's be frank. if you talk about to most people about hbc school an historically black college or university, most of the people know grambling, eddie robinson has a long history there. we are talking these guys getting on the bus to play in football games riding 14, 16, 17 hours to get somewhere. essentials from the university were taking a flight.
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remind you, they are on a bus for 14, 15 hours to go to a game. the president and whoever, other people high up in the university are flying there. but you have to physically go out and take what has appeared, not appeared but butt whippings. there was difficulty with williams being fired. it's not unusual. universities can't ask student athletes what they think of the next coach but he rubbed them the wrong way. another greater issue, mold on the equipment. equipment not properly cleaned. when you are on the football field, the type of work you are doing and the type of sweat and all this stuff, the mud and dirt and everything else and your equipment is not cleaned properly, it's unbelievable when you look at the circumstances they were dealing with. >> jamal, let me get in here. again, this is what we did on saturday evening, right?
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then we went to the bayou classic. every year, every single year in the superdome. grambling state university has an historic football team, you know, led by eddie robinson. what about money? it would seem they would have a highly funded football team. have they fallen on tough times and that's why they are taking 16, 17 hours to go to games on buses? >> caller: i mean, here's the thing, don. if that's the justification, how officials who aren't participating physically in the activities in the flights and the kids are taking buses. prior to the doug williams firing, i guess the weight room was fallen in ill repair. >> sounds like money jamal. >> caller: right. right. or the money, apparently -- here is the deal. money is coming in for the
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football team that is being allocated and i don't know, the argument is not with the university for spreading it amongst the other athletic the flooring that he had donated for the weight room to upgrade it was never utilized. it sounds like they need to figure out who is running the program, where the funds are going. >> misappropriations of money. maybe they need to have priorities. we haven't investigated that. i have to run here. are these players going to lose their scholarships? >> they should not. they should not. don, it's interesting. this is the first time we are seeing football players at a storied program band together. there is a lot of stuff going on in college football. does grambling state start something we see carry over in other universities in the future. >> i would venture a guess, yes.
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beautiful shot of lady liberty back open now after the government is no longer shut down. an eighth biker is under arrest for his involvement in a clash with a driver of an suv last month. kalik douglas is one of the 34e7b who pulled the driver from the suv and beat him. >> reporter: an suv taking a pounding before its driver is dragged out and beaten. thanks to a biker who hit the record button on his helmet cam we see the attack unfold. it's sunday, september 29th, with exhaust fumes filling the air, the motorcyclists are revving up in washington heights to joan an estimated 1,000 bikers for a yearly rally circling manhattan. for this family it's a special day. they are out celebrating their
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wedding anniversary. on a six-lane highway, suddenly one of several bikers from that rally throws down right in front of his suv. he hits the biker, who is not seriously injured. moments later, bikers surround the suv, start pounding and police say slashing its tires. he steps on it, telling police he feared for his life. lurching ahead he rolls over at least one bike whoever is critically injured. according to a statement, we were placed in grave danger by a mob of reckless and violent motorcyclists. the injured motorcyclist is paralyzed. >> he could have honked his horn. he could have slowly rolled out instead of gunning the motor and running him down. >> reporter: the driver takes
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off the bikers in hot pursuit. the police describe the 911 calls as frantic. the suv stops again and so do the bikers. one approaches and pulls open the diver's door but lien stops again. the bikers use helmets to slam the suv. lien's wife calls 911 again. her husband is dragged out of their vehicle, kicked and stopped. finally this man, a father of ten, bravely steps in. >> he was, like, i mean -- he was -- he was like hell in there. >> he describes several bikers stepping on lien and his wife looked like she would be next. >> she started screaming and then we see the baby in the car with her.
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you know, and everybody started screaming no, no, not lady, not with the baby! please don't do that. i scream today. >> reporter: the bikers back off. help arrives. police use videos to track down and arrest at least eight bikers. charges include gang assault. then a stunning twist, an off duty undercover detective is busted. that's him among the bikers. he is accused of hitting the suv and smashing its rear window. a law enforcement source says that he didn't step in to help because he didn't want to blow his cover. not only that, he wait lead the days to tell his superiors he was even there. >> the video will exonerate our client. they allege that he struck the rear portion hatchback window,
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which has a gaping hole already in it. it's already destroyed. so under the law, it's a fatal flaw. you can't break what's already broken. >> reporter: but despite what we see on camera there may be more to the story. the video is gripping but what about behave the camera started to roll? did something happen between the suv driver and the motorcyclist before this biker moves in front of the suv? investigators are still nailing that down. this much we do know. the biker wearing a built in helmet camera claims that he saw the driver throw a water bottle out of the sunroof apparently at a biker. if true, why and is that the only thing that happened? lien is recovering from his injuries. paul callen says that theaw

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