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i looked around and i saw people who may be like my dad were disadvantaged or maybe had in the middle class up until a couple years ago really struggling now. i wanted to write about what happened. we have a movement for hope and change in 2008 elected the first african-american president, progress of president champion of the people going from hope to heartbreak in the country. so having been a grass-roots outsider for most of my life and a white house insider six months and in the outsider again i thought i had a 360-degree perspective on some of the ways that we were not achieved in some of the changes people looked for.
>> host: why now instead of the end of the term or beginning of the term kind of a the end of the first? >> guest: in some ways the first term as kind of over because it doesn't seem like congress is going to do a whole lot but i think that right now is when people are trying to make sense of the obama era so far and i believe as president he has to be reelected and deserves to be but i think we also have to learn that just voting on monday and then kind of hoping the vote and hold strategy is not going to be enough to get the changes done, so i wanted to while people are thinking about politics or how july assess what i just went through the past three years or four years and think about the next 4i would rather it be a good time for me to share my perspective. >> host: how did being in the white house for those months how has that changed your perspective from being an outsider and then we will discuss what happened to make
you leave later but what exactly how did that change your perspective? >> guest: i believe i have a little bit more of the and sympathy for people in those positions. a lot of the grassroots progressives left and feels just almost disgusted with the white house. when i go out on the road talking and teaching and that kind of stuff you hear a lot of negative assessments and i don't think enough sensitivity. some of the things we want the president to do would be illegal if he did them. that is the key. there are rules and regulations and so you have a sense of that working inside the white house ever sing is in the legal counsel what is the time everything has to be done in the right way and if you start deviating from was the law requires based on your own
perspective you can get in a lot of trouble, so i think people expected this president to be allowed by the law and were not willing to do the hard work of continuing to build public will. >> host: you were critical of democrats or falling on the edge of for years why isn't obama a part of that and secondly why isn't he part of the political elite that has failed to help the middle class and tell everyone that the 1%. >> guest: it is a pro obama book, antiobama come it is an analysis book. it felt like a lot of the books i saw being written about the obama era and being written about this moment in history
falling into what i called the d.c. trap so everything can be explained by the politicians and the dependence and the polls that we the people are in that story. we the people sort of polling data or precincts or public opinion but people have real movement to make change and democracy so i thought it was important to write a book that took people's movements seriously so the movement that elective obama, how did they built over time, he didn't come out of nowhere, 2003, 2004, also the tea party movement that came out of nowhere. occupy wall street, i thought those were important to take seriously to the social movements. we the people perspective on how change happened and how we doesn't and in writing that i have a lot of criticism of the president and the white house in the book and i talk about ways i think the president could have
been tougher on wall street from the very beginning. open the door for the tea party and open the door for occupy wall street for the two big movements that children jim and the presidency respond to what was the perception of the tepid response to the wall street crimes and misdemeanors. >> host: let's get into what it could have done. what were the solutions proposed on wall street? >> guest: sure. i'm not alone in this. i think that giving them money and hoping they would act better is kind of the ways -- >> host: but they pay back some of that money. >> guest: there were not enough conditions in terms of making sure the repairs of the damage to the american people if you have a lot of homes under the water because during the bubble period the would be way over evaluated and overcharged for those homes it could have been done to make sure they got more relief than they got a lot
of the bank's right now or sitting on a lot of money, small businesses still not able to access capital the way they should to put in place to help to stump to the could jump-start a lot of things could have been done in that moment so wall street could help. main street bailout of wall street the than wall street didn't really turn around and help main street in the way i think people thought would have been fair so that would have been a for the president to do i also think that the president did good things from a policy point of view but didn't get political credit for for instance the stimulus, talking about the book and the stimulus he got a $787 billion stimulus. a third of it is tax cuts. republicans and democrats like tax cuts. that is a crazy idea. nobody knew that. most people think obama raised taxes for 95% of americans.
nobody knew that. the haverford was for the states and cities keeping the cops on the beach because we went down hard and every state had to follow its budget. the italy of teachers of firefighters, nurses. a third of the stimulus was keeping the cops on the beat and helping the kids. nobody knows that. the stimulus was successful in terms of saving jobs and created or saved so those kind of mistakes even when you do the right thing you don't know how to get the credit for it that demoralizes people and so i think that both sides could have performed better not surprisingly the outsiders and insiders it is an attempt to help us learn from those mistakes so we can go forward. >> host: what about the bush tax cut to? it was indirectly in the fact as
continued. >> guest: i think it can go away especially for the wealthiest people in america. the good thing of being an american is to have a business idea, if you're an entrepreneur, an innovator you can get out there and to raise a net job. first of all you don't have to pay any bribes you can just go get your business permit it to have a product you can take it to market on the road. you have to build the prototypes pier built that road you can hire employees. the water is clean you don't have to pay for it. so the taxpayer does a lot. the american people are the investor and every american enterprise so the american enterprise doesn't do well you don't have to pay anything back. when you do well in america you should do well by america. you should be proud to pay your taxes, pay america back, keep the system going so the next
person can come and you have internet and all that stuff you don't have to buy yourself and that return on investment for the american people is violated when you give tax cuts to the people of the top and the people with the top can benefit from america the don't have to pay america that you wind up with deficits and the middle class a free-fall so i think the end when the bush tax cuts expire for the wealthy it's time to let the wealthy pay america back. they've got benefits of the allow the bonuses and tax breaks for a long time that should be over. he wasn't tough enough on that in my point of view in this presidency. the rule was pushing in the right direction and i think what is amazing is you take warren buffett who was known as a fantastically wealthy person smart and wealthy but he wasn't
a political. obama was able to draw the connection between a wealthy person everybody knows and loves and respects and the secretary you can imagine and use that simple relationship to tell a whole story. that is obama and his best and so he has done some things well es some things poorly, but the grassroots we did not perform at the level that we should have and some of it is because we were mad at him but some is because we had the wrong idea about what his job was. i sit in the book lbj didn't lead the civil rights movement. he was the head of state. it's great. but for many lillehammer, dr. king, ellen baker, they were the ones in selma and mississippi and the ones pushing forward to give the president something to respond to come and
i think that after the inauguration a lot of people -- not everybody but to many of us sat down and thought that the past the finish line when relief was the starting line come in november of 2008. >> host: the environment is another place you raise criticisms. what is your take on what happened in the keystone pipeline? >> guest: it got a better. [laughter] the keystone pipeline is the really bad idea. that's my assessment. it would has proposed take the dirtiest most awful scraping the bottom of the bucket nasty pauley carbon and run down through america's heartland over the farm land, offers to the gulf coast so that it could be refined and shipped to china
inhofe. because of the kind of toxic stuff is it's very corrosive. we've had a lot of oil spills. you would really be risking the american people to do it to benefit a foreign corporation selling dirty oil to china. you have thousands of jobs but then it turns out the numbers were not that many jobs. it's temporary jobs that are so important for those workers the permanent jobs are very few so from my point of view it wasn't worth it -- >> host: white you think he did it then for the southern part of that pipeline? >> guest: sure. so, the southern part of the building there are apparently some chokepoints that the oil production could be debilitated without having to go from canada, so that part which was never in dispute, the actual
claim was that the aquifer in the farmland was going to be put at risk because of the root of the pipeline and because of the kind of product, please let pipeline and the toxicity of the product was going to jeopardize the farmland. it was never true about a southern party. you don't have a party to the problem with the product in that part of the pipeline there's no aquifers so they could go ahead and held other parts of the oil production. however, the good thing about this particular development it shows once again people power movements can make a difference, the elected obama he wasn't a statement of the democratic party establishment, the people power movements and then with the keystone for the environmentalist some of the native american groups and bill mckibben challenge the president is a look of this pipeline,
don't just -- give it a good hard look and they use civil disobedience and protest. >> host: you say the medical around obama didn't help. what else could they have done? what else could have been done in the last couple of years? >> guest: sure. a couple things. first of all, in most countries when the right-wing marches and you'd have to say that he party is a right-wing populist movement that would be how you would describe that from the academic point of view most countries when the movement takes to the streets protesting, and the left-wing marches, too. for two years you just saw the massive tea party protests but there were some progress of demonstrations. they were not coordinated in the same way, they were not as
successful, and the tea party movement have large protests there were coordinated and really use that grassroots st heat to change the conversation to mount a serious response even as late as the midterm elections you still haven't seen any street he. i think democrats and progressive thought that because we had the white house, the house with nancy pelosi, the best speaker ever that's all we needed. i.t. we thought we had 100% of what we needed to give her, and i think actually we had a third. that is only a third. you also have to have a media operation through fox news plays a strong role for the right, and you have to have a grass-roots movement, the tea party is the
grassroots movement suite of we had 100% we had a 33% and the people we thought had 0% of 6% and we wound up being able to stymie the agenda and when the midterm election and we have to learn from that you can't just vote you also have to peacefully protest and demonstrate, evolves in the community and have to have a better message. >> host: you chris is the environment as the lobby for not getting behind cap-and-trade enough's. they spent millions of dollars. they were not just on the sidelines. is that a fair criticism? you have the lobby a lot on both sides of your body has a lobbyist now. >> guest: with regards to the cap-and-trade i was actually in the white house through the house of representatives in the book where i am critical is
after it stalls in the senate and we can't get cap-and-trade done let's be clear it was the consensus position of both political parties when john mccain ran he ran saying climate change is real caused by humans and saying cap-and-trade is the market sensitive mechanism to deal with it and he ran saying it would create jobs. the only thing both obama and became agreed on is the climate change caused by human cap-and-trade. >> host: but people in the party did not agree. >> guest: to be fair for their party they did agree with and never ran any ads attacking obama for the position on climate and clean energy and he spoke very favorably on those important points from mccain. pistols in the senate. the republicans have now, hundred 80 degrees in either direction in lockstep saying
cap-and-trade which is their proposal from the heritage foundation the liberals were more interested in carbon or the carbon tax, cap-and-trade was a conservative position. obama goes without. gistel stalls in the senate. i'm critical of the environmentalist the oil spill that happened in 2010 they said let's look at the energy policy in america should we be subsidizing companies that are risking our health in the long term? you've never seen the environmental movement more quiet during and oil spill or george bush had been present misfud oil spill i would have been out there. i didn't because look to the president was. that's not good for the
president to conduct ourselves. i'm very tough didn't stand on principle looked up across side of president. >> host: there was a poll released april 9th about 10 days ago and one of the things interesting about it is in 2007 a lot of republicans a lot of the issues we are talking about four years later they are not. it's mostly democrats a state of assam, republicans drop. is the partisanship? what happened there? there was support for some of these efforts in 2007. >> guest: it's heartbreaking because people say there's too much partisanship but i don't see too much partisanship.
both sides are equally partisan. >> host: but the magnets are moving apart. >> guest: it's funny because in some ways they're moving towards the right but republicans are moving faster. i'm a progressive democrat. the president is a moderate democrat single-payer. i would have said on health care white you need private insurance companies for health care? insurance is what you buy it or not sure about the outcome. maybe you'd have a flood coming to buy flood insurance because you don't know. everybody knows you have to see a doctor to get run over by a truck everybody's going to see a doctor. my point of view, single-payer would be the right answer. well, almost all democrats of the end of the position of trying to move to a more bipartisan stance so we have
arrived at the public auction. if medicare for the people who want it. if not you can have a private insurance company trying to be bipartisan. the public option is too far to the left, so we moved again. then we moved to the individual responsibility mandate which is the republican point of view that individuals stick responsibility, not the government. in the abandoned that and they said that that is not acceptable, so here we are. this becomes like the pro freeloader caucus, just by a bomb yourself and the government will take care of it. and so, what i see is progressives actually marching further and further to the right. it's just the conservatives moving further to the right faster so that creates a very strange dilemma. do we keep it just chasing the money around the barn or at some point do we see these are our principles, here's what we
believe, stand up for them and maybe the american people would agree if we keep changing our position but it is very hard braking on issues like health care and clean energy independence and others that had been at least some common ground use of some common ground possible it's just eroded and i don't think it is good for the country. i don't know the best answers. >> host: use it by the summer of 2010, did you ever imagine that it would be -- the we would still be talking about the health care bill and the supreme court is deciding on this, it was far from over in 2010. >> guest: good point. i will make sure that is
corrected quickly. but there is another example maybe if the progressives who believe in single-payer had started the ground longer maybe the public option would have more looked like what was, a real compromise. it might have been more friendly to the health care bill that said if you want to buy health insurance privately, go ahead. if you don't, you've got to pay for the public system because when you pay for the public roads whether you like it or not to pay for public roads and public schools. whether you like it or not you have to pay for the public health system. there may not have been the ground to object to that but because we gave away the public auction this is where you could go. the competitive option or you could go with the public trees. now the supreme court says can the government make -- part of
what happened was the deflationary in the mass of tea party movement started showing up everywhere. are doing the book had we started marching, too we had concerts' and rallies and that sort of thing and got people more involved maybe we could have gotten a better deal but we got more and more into the sausage making and deal cutting in washington, d.c. the would make people more depressed with the cornhuskers and all these bad sweetener's so it's hard to get a good deal because the base is demoralized, people are confused you of single-payer public option see you wind up with a deal that doesn't inspire. the worst thing you could say about the legislation is when it depresses your friends or
enemies. >> host: do you think it will hurt the president if this goes down and decides that a piece of it or the whole thing? >> guest: it's hard to say. i don't think the supreme court is going to strike the whole thing down and i think that they will find a way to keep most of it intact. i think health care is the big deal for the political class or the health care bill is the biggest deal for the political class and the working middle class people. i think people concerned about health care concern about the health care bill is or does so with the supreme court actually does will be interpreted through filters. people think it's already kicked in full effect they've already kicked in and cause these problems but most of it hasn't even kicked in yet so how will they respond?
i think set the economy, not any surrogate to the economy but the economy is going to be the decision maker for people. >> host: the tea party was of course very against the health care bill. >> guest: i noticed. [laughter] >> host: it's safe to say you are not a fan. >> guest: i respect their achievement but we don't agree. >> host: how much came from your experience why you left the white house? was your view of them colored by that experience? >> guest: it would have to be. i try in the book to be fair to their achievement, the phenomenal achievement. if you have no vote, you have essentially a filibuster proof majority of its unison at which they have, if you have pelosi
running the house as a strong pro liberal and obama in the white house you don't have a good cards of changing washington, d.c.. you have to respect that no matter what side of the ogle you are on and part of my criticism of people of the left is a dismissal of them and not appreciating what they were going to be able to achieve. however i don't agree with their version of american history and i don't agree with your assessment of what america's values are and i wouldn't agree even if i hadn't been a poster boy for their anger and frustration but of course having been the targets of a special insight and special commitment in myself tuesday against those ideas i don't agree. >> host: you say it pumped the world.
where does that come from? >> guest: mean it in the ashton kutcher wake. they mean that much bigger and more ferocious than they were. >> host: they were pretty big. >> guest: to put on protests that big they were especially brilliant. the big protests you were talking about in late august and september of 2009 it was august and they were still little but they made themselves look big. they would send people to the town hall meetings, august, 2009. there would be 100 people there supporting president obama, and three or four of them who were not. but they would grab the microphone and they would be so loud and so passionate that the tv cameras couldn't help focus
on them and that's what i talk about. they were able to early on create the impression that everybody was doing to those town hall meetings and was on their side because we saw on the news a whole bunch of people and it looked like a mob of people turned off when in fact most of the people were there to support the president or find out more information or complete about a thoughtful and was brilliant on their part. 150,000 people coming to washington, d.c. two marched he party. at that time the presidents organization had 13 million members. so literally, if, you know, a quarter of those people had marched it would have swapped the tea party protest that that was not going to march, it was free to get the legislation come and there was a mistake because it psychologically made -- the huge achievement, but it looked even bigger because there was no response.
>> host: in 2010 it wasn't -- it wasn't just people showing of in washington, it was all around the country. >> guest: by then it's like anything else. if you need something and it's a small, then there's an outcome. if you wait and let it get bigger and let it get a bigger and you don't respond to the charges, the worst charges to make as president or not responded to some sort of acs muslim come all these crazy things. of course to be a muslim and an atheist don't they have to -- its like the screes he charges. they are not properly dealt but more importantly, they see large numbers of people coming out for something whether it is a rock band or nascar or something you think that's very popular home now and then if nobody's coming from the oversight they are not popular. i think in d.c. we talk about
the kennedys and the legislation and again, the sausage making. we sometimes forget ordinary people are not tracking of this closely. they see people around the streets he must have done something wrong. >> host: in 2007 going back for the the date. >> guest: glenn bet talks about the but won't talk to me and i think the people that watch bollenbach to the to -- glenn beck should ask why don't you talk to ann jones? because of these crazy things. well and not those things come cycas contest to that. i would be happy to talk to him any time. part of the problem that we have is that you have people who live in their own information bauble. just the fact that i've read most of the books about the tea
party and actually listen to rush limbaugh and that kind of thing i have more insight into what is appealing about the conservative movement, the right-wing movement than most of my progressive liberal friends. i won't even read that stuff. is said that being close to mine did not open to other views? aren't we doing the same thing? so i think -- i am passionate in my beliefs. i am proud of it. i don't pretend i'm something i'm not, but i also am an american we have a lot of different points of view. we don't have to agree. i'm not a conservative so when a conservative is from hang i want it to be fair and square.
if your kid is playing against my kid i want my kid to win but i want my kid to win a fair and square. we can be passionate in our partisanship and still laugh principles and not like and mistreat each other but it's got to the point that is hard to maintain. it's very he did. we all miss speak from time to time but i try to mean to him the view that we are one country and we can disagree. fair and square. the problem with a lot of the stuff i've seen glenn beck do is there seems to be a lot of to challenge my patriotism.
i would have hated for him to have heard this kind of thing being said. it's not the right way to have a discussion. i write in the book actually what i call the difference. i think it's important to deep patriotism of liberty and justice for all, and for all meaning everybody including lesbians and gays, that is deeply. america the beautiful and to attend america's duty, that is deep patriotism. respect the principles. give me your tired, give me your poor that some of the immigrants in this country. you can't be an anti-immigrant degette and patriot at the
same time. can you have the opposite view of what you are saying and have a deep patriotism? can you have opposite -- >> guest: i want to challenge the view that you can have a simplistic view of america's values, attack other of not being patriot but then not challengers also the problem is liberal and progressive as usual we don't want to raise the question of what patriotism is because we want to be. some people on the fire right will say we don't love our own country and we get challenged. these people are not patriots. if you want to have a debate we have something to say about that. we have our own view of patriots
and enacting the john u.s and responding and wheeled them very delete. if you keep challenging us and saying we don't believe, then fine let's have the debate and at the end of the day we can shake hands. i am not afraid to psilocin i didn't start this fight but to to say everyone who's a liberal who is a progressive is against american ten we are wrong to talk about it means to be for america and attacking. >> host: we talked about the gains the tea party made in the 2010 election and the change the republican party that that used to be a vote that was and is no longer. you talk a lot about occupy wall street and we all know the spectrum, you like them a lot.
what have they done from the democratic party that is not tangible but is a measure of change that they've made? >> guest: a couple things. if you remember in august of 2011 the two-party said the iran to crash america's credit rating if certain things were not done. my abreaction to that was shock and dismay as a lot of people and part of the compromise that cannot of that was an idea of a super committee that was going to have a lot of authority and ram through a lot of cuts. i thought there was a big threat because we didn't know what they were going to cut and was going superfast but my organization.
those occupy a ball straight folks just went to the maastricht not even response to that but just out of frustration what was happening and they changed the conversation overnight. no one was talking deutsch in defeat could economic inequality that was kind of off the table. the change which is a good thing but more and importantly the committee just disappeared. the conversation change so much because nobody wanted to do the things in the face of the public opinion which has cotton terry much more what's coming to
happen to americans when it comes to jobs and why is wall street didn't away with having done all this and they got more. the democrats stood their ground that have been chasing for two years stopped chasing it and part of the reason is because occupy wall street and the entire discussion happening globally now gave a lot of strength to the democrats. the president began to talk any more populous we for the campaign but he had more. washington, d.c. changed. it was on autopilot and these that is an achievement for a bunch of unknown people and folks, so i think you've got to give them credit for that.
here's the downside of it, the tea party and i write this in the book, the tea party went from protest politics very quickly. they were protesting and then the registered voters supported scott brown and grout taricani's old seat in the senate and broke the majority -- sometimes you get a senator that's voted democrat at some time. test cody did an extraordinary job. they went from the energy of protest which is important and then they were able to implement their agenda. not always in d.c. but they held it across the country. that's an incredible achievement from my point of view. wall street is different.
thir interest in that direct democracy and they don't want to participate in that way. maybe it meant they have less of an impact on long-term than anybody. the rest of us though who are not occupiers but are concerned about the 99% needed to find ways to fill in the gaps and that is where rebuildfun code treen.com. >> are you saying occupy wall street is run its course at this point? >> guest: there will be always a role for the direct democracy but they will continue to make contributions and who knows there is accretive but i knew they had already made it very clear that they don't want to register voters. there's an analogy you can make the student nonviolent coordinating committee occupied
the lunch counters, the occupied the segregated buses. the district's between ashton kutcher and the u.s. also helped mr. sevi occupied a voting group. they van registration in the technician programs so they did the direct action which occupy wall street stun on the voter engagement. the occupiers don't want to do this if your registration person that does leave a gap it's not a criticism of them they have the right to do with the will but i don't speak for them under is a gap how do you turn all that energy in to political power and go from ander answers how do you not just change the conversation but changed the condition under which people that's what's left to be done in the next term.
>> host: there was a poll in the books of course i'm going to look it up that particular poll in november when they were in the height of americans didn't really have an opinion on them so i -- how poignant could affect movement have been. >> guest: the other point -- >> host: because that is used in the book. >> guest: yeah. if you look at the opinion data it is a night and day kind of impact on the economic inequality, the 99% versus 1%. now you can see that pretty much anywhere in the political contributions and people know when you're talking about. those are hard to pull off with
a bunch of young people in sleeping bags and tents to reoccupy wall street is not the same as the tea party in that they were able to quickly get the support of fox news, very quickly able to get the support of americans for prosperity and others but the coke brothers richest and nothing to do but they were able to come up with a better alignment on the tea party side between the protest and the establishment wing and the occupied movement wasn't baked into the dna with occupied no candidates, no money, the lobbyists did have that kind of attack on the political discussions we're sitting here talking about it now giving some sense. >> host: i know what i was and
asked about, you talk about a 99%. talk about occupy wall street what is the difference? because i think for a lot of people who haven't read this book, they think it is the same thing we are the 99% of course the rallying cry for the occupy wall street movement is on a placard's everywhere. >> guest: i think you could make a distinction almost logically if you think about making the distinction occupy wall street, those are the people that are the occupiers that went down there and some got pepper spray, they went to the general assembly, they did the microphone checks, the hand signs and all that stuff a quarter million people across the country but if you look at the polling data in terms of the things they articulate one-third of the country articulates the 100 million people. 100 million people didn't go
down and get pepper spray. that is clearly another group of people not 99% literally but in terms of one-third of the country 100 million people that's kind of like the civil rights movement in terms of those large numbers everyone wasn't going down there protesting what they wanted to see some changes happening there. as of the student nonviolent coordinating committee the young protesters are like the occupiers of the 99% of net as much bigger much like the civil rights movement to could be in a civil rights movement but not be in student nonviolent coordinating committee could be in the right movement and not be in dr. king's organization or the naacp is a much bigger movement than any one organization so why make the case in the book that it might be smart to think about the 99% movement as being much bigger than just those small number of the tree important occupiers. >> host: let's get to what
your group is doing. you want to try to turn this into a 99% into a political operation even from the local level on up. are you going to do that? >> guest: it's already well under way which is exciting. rebuild the train.com is one organization in a broad coalition. >> host: just so we know. >> guest: the incarnation as called 99% spring and it includes the afl-cio, the new bottomline organization which is a bunch of low-income groups challenging the banks of the domestic workers alliance and a lot of progress of organizations and the idea is to be able to peacefully protest to know what is wrong with our economy and how we could go back to the
things that worked in the last century. there are organizations we've been working with like progress of majorities in the future and others like the working families party and we've been able to successfully move of the local level to be able to support it all the way to the congressional level. >> host: what are we looking at and use a local level? >> guest: the school board, sometimes writing the dog catcher the great thing about that is it lets people get involved and we have to rebuild the dreamed of, something called the contract for the american
dream with 131 tells the people, to undermine to be exact -- 209 to be exact. you put the country back to work and put the country back to get through and so the of the ten ideas including the texas, save medicare and that's because one of the bases by which people agree we could go in a different direction 300,000 beagle signed on that 131,000 of right so there was a lot going on, and the book tries to capture this social movement people power politics that's going on. i think a lot of books about d.c. get caught flat footed because they ran to do the nominees, then obamacare zone of nowhere and then the tea party
movement comes out in the occupied wall street comes out of nowhere. we the people were impacting the system and it's not a left-wing period were right wing is a turbulent pergola of change and we don't with the outcomes are going to be but we know the people professor glen to continue to have an impact. >> host: are you trying for a third party? >> guest: i am not. i think that the party has it right. they can function independently want to. progress is have nothing like that, strong progress of liberal democrat like myself we don't have that equivalent.
the democratic party or not we need a strong left-wing of the democratic party the same way with the republicans have a strong organized right-wing. there's too much partisanship we keep chasing the money down the road in the principles with too little game and we need to pick up our principles and happy to have the debate and when the bill gets cut it is cut it in the two positions that were clear principles between the one position that is unyielding and a mother is available to be moved without any great benefit >> host: is it going to be difficult to corral all these people because we have a lot of different interest and a lot of
occupy wall street but you have the casualty groups that make members of the group and they were millennials veterans, homeowners and public employees. a lot of different interests. how do you coral them into one mission? >> guest: part of it has to do with what we were talking about earlier. the middle class was a gift for the corporations and a result of every individual's doing what they want to with no respect for america's government or the formula was a this is the individual doing their very best but also the best of the american government where we could invest in the country.
the american middle class was created for the best convention in the world as the american class. it wasn't the message that the government is the problem america's government is this horrible thing and can't do anything right, i don't feel that way. america's government was the way the we built the infrastructure from the interstate to the internet. america's government is the way we educate the generations of americans. america's government and all of those governments that she shelters, state, local and tribal is a good government and now you can't disrespect america's government and say it has no role. grover norquist you can't shrink
the government and the drummer in a bathtub. that's not patriotic statement, i don't feel that way. so you coro people come to tell the true story of the american people, the american century. the union had a row, the deride have a role, the individual had a role. all these different parts of america had a roll and you can't just take a wrecking ball and paid it red white and blue and if you have the individual liberties with a smashed on every of the institution and say that's the right way we build america if you put them side by side was the true story of what our grandparents did for us and they sit individually but they also were a nation of neighbors. they pull their money for the government to build the best country in the world and respect the american government. if you put that against we hit the american government is
always the problem we don't want to pay any taxes to american government to take we can get a lot of people together and that's what we need to do. >> host: finally. if you want to read this book what message he wanted to take away from it? >> the most important thing we can say is politics is not just what happened in washington, d.c. that we the people make the movement that make this work so it's not about to vote and hold any more we have to be postponed, it's probably going to be received by moderate progressives and independence, green party people who are more center and left. you have a big democracy deficit broken out and deal with that to get more money out and in the
after which changing my test scores of harassing me constantly. they took away my ability to access computers. i work at the chaplain's office during this time and secretary gates came up with a new policy that were not allowed it anymore and that stopped the process against me personally but during this process i got so frustrated with "don't ask, don't tell" i decided to turn around and help create and kind of build the network we could start to an effort to divert and collectively voice our concerns to the military and a lot of people that contributed in the book out serve members and what we did is just use media to connect aaron of the world and in a state right now we have
over 4700 members across the globe that are connected to have the support but are no longer alone better able to meet under the basis and you can post the "don't ask, don't tell." of the reasons i agree to do this there are gay people in military right now of a service member in getting encouragement from that and so i hope by putting up these stories we realize that there are so many of us out there that are gay and it's okay and second of all to actually change the mind when i give this book at the base he was a person was very against "don't ask, don't tell" and a leader he came back to me and he was crying and had no idea