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[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversation] >> you're watching book which of on c-span2. television for serious readers. this past week nancy pelosi was elected again to the speaker over the house. she previously served as speaker from 2007 to 2011. in 2008, speaker pelosi appeared on c-span's q & a program to talk about her book "know your power."
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♪ >> this week on q & a, our guest is the speaker of the house of representatives, nancy pelosi. she has a new book out called "know your power" a message to america's daughters. >> nancy pelosi, why did you call your book "know your power." >> guest: it's a phrase that a great woman, congresswoman behind diboggs, used to make along before i came to congress. was telling her that i had all these honors i, i was chair of those committee of the 1984 convention and the chair of the delegate election, committee compliance committee and this and that and i said i think i have too many honors. i should pass one of them on to someone else. and she said, darling, no man would have ever said that. know your power.
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but actually she said, know thy power. >> host: where did she get that. >> guest: she was the source of many words of wisdom to those of white house served with her in the congress. this was previous to my coming to congress but she was a friend of my family, and i was talking to her at the democratic convention in californiain' 1984 in san francisco. >> thin it leads to you your fir effort national political effort you said was in maryland for jerry brown. >> guest: yes. >> host: why. >> guest: in 1976, jerry brown, our new governor of california, knew, charismatic, young governor, decided he wanted to run for president. he was getting all kind national attention for his small is beautiful and fiscal responsibility, and he decided he wanted to run. i thought, our primary in california was in june, and i
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thought by the time june came around, it would be all over. so it so happened that maryland secretary of state had declared, that any candidate who was recognized candidate in nye state in the union would be on the ballot in maryland unless that person chose to take his or her name off the ballot. so i called leo mccarthy, my friend, the chair of jerry brown's campaign and i said should go to maryland. jerry agreed and we did and that's how i went from kitchen to more involvement in the democratic party. >> what happened in maryland. >> in maryland it was a remarkable campaign. really quite similar to the obama campaign and that thousands of people came out. mostly young people to hear his message. we would have to keep getting ever larger venues to accommodate the crowds that turned out for him, and even though we got into the campaign
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three weeks before the primary she won the popular vote in maryland. the popular vote didn't amount to delegates to the convention but it was a victory, and jerry brown can went back to california, to welcome him back, at the big welcoming party. he stood up and declared that nancy pelosi was the architect of his maryland campaign. my father, the former mayor, my brother, former mayor of baltimore, had many contact inside maryland, said ted their the county executive had an organization and that was the beginning of the campaign and many others. many others joined in and jerry brown was magnificent, and so any, that was my transition. >> why did you have the hsu sub title "a message to america's daughter." >> guest: it goes with the title. know your power. that's my message to america's daughters and then i talk about that throughout the book.
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i want women to know their power, to value their experience, to understand that nothing has been more wholesome in the political process that increased involvement of women, but it doesn't matter if your interest is politics or academia or corporate world or whatever. being at home and raising your family, the most challenging task of all, whatever it is, understand what you bring to the table is unique and authentic and real, and that, again, the more women who participate, the more wholesome the process and that is very good thing for our country, i believe. >> five children, we know al sex contract from her public performances from time to time. who is the oldest? >> guest: five children. nancy carin is the oldest, four of my five children were born in manhattan, nancy carin, christine, has written a book called campaign bootcamp and she
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is on the circuit as well now with her book. next is my daughter jacqueline, who lives in texas and has three little boys, nancy carin has two children who lives in arizona mitchell son paul who lives in california, and then the only child born in california is alexandria, and she lives now in new york, with her husband and her two babies. >> what dot nancy carin do. >> guest: she is a sweetheart. she is in the hospital -- she has two children so that's her main occupation, raising her family, a little boy, alexander, 11, and a daughter, mad lynn, who is nine and she is in the hospitality business. she loves people. it's no wonder that she is. >> host: what part of california. >> guest: she lives in texas. she lives -- i'm sorry. nancy carin lives in arizona, in scottsdale, arizona. my husband and i -- when we had our five children and they were grown well-thought we were
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entitled to grandchildren, and so we were just expecting this to happen. of course nothing was happening, and then we kept begging, bribing, cajoling, anything, threatening to adopt our own grandchildren and finally we got grandchildren. three in texas, two in arizona, and two in new york. but we forgot to pray they lived down the street. but we're grateful to have them so nancy carin in hospitality business and lives in arizona. >> host: what does christine do? >> guest: christine, she is married and has a stepson and lives in san francisco with her husband, peter, and they have -- she is a -- kristine is a -- of my children, the most politically interested and active. an attorney, served in the clinton administration as special counsel, she wait worked for a while waiting for the kerry -- the gore administration and then the kerry
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administration but now is back home in california and is just written a book called "campaign bootcam" which has the lessons that you should learn in order to be effective in the management of political campaign, and, therefore, any campaign that you embark upon. so she is frequently called upon on the -- in tv commentary for her expertise. a member of the democratic national committee and she runs these bootcamps to train candidates in future leaders. >> host: what is her last anytime her this is christine pelosi. her -- she is newlyweds. >> host: jacqueline is where and what does she do. >> guest: jacqueline lives in houston, texas, and has three little boys, 11, 9 and 7. liam, sean and ryan. they're adorable. as all grandchildren are, and she has a school called art makes learning center and she
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teaches art and creative art. in a very beautiful way. she likes -- it's called art nick because she like to have -- teaching children with special needs but likes them in the mix so he has art mix learning center houston, texas. >> host: paul jr. >> guest: paul jr. is at home. he has no children. he is not married. he lives in -- not hat home but lives in san francisco, and paul is a jdmbr, lawyer and mba and he works in finance, and one day hopefully he will get married but of course that's none of my business, and then alexandria who lives in new york, and my kids are -- christine, for example, a complete ahave had sports fan. knows every stat of every sport you can imagine. paul very much up there with
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her, too, in the love of sports. >> host: as you know, the story -- i mean with the system we have now, the stories various ones say your husband, paul, you as a family, one of the richest people in the house of representatives, have seen the story that says 25 million, 16 million, what does he do? how did he make all they money. >> guest: paul is a businessman and when we married, shortly after college, the worked in new york at a bank which is you citibank, in those days called first national citibank, that long ago and he has his own company in california. when we moved from new york back home for paul who is a native, born and raised in san francisco, he came to work for another company and then he formed his own company. then they do investments in real estate and other investments, and so -- but the ranges -- i
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think something should be done about those ranges because the range are very far, and your children could get the wrong impression about what -- >> host: why are they -- >> guest: they should be changed. say you're home is worth between -- not your own home but you live in of the but say you have a second home, between 1 million and 5 million. well, that's big difference. you have two or three over those and you have a very big range that could be much closer to the lower but the same thing right down the line. i think it should be changed to be if there's a purpose to this, and i think there is, to be more reflective of what the assets and liabilities are best your children get the wrong impression, what is in store. >> host: whoa did you do this book. >> guest: because so many people ask me, how did you get from the kitchen to the congress? how did you go from being a
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homemaker to a house speaker? and so i thought, let me just write it in my own words in a way that values what i did as a mom and so that other women will, too. >> host: huh did go go about it on the conserve it says with amy hill hearst. >> guest: they told me shy rick indicate my story but it was 1100 pages long to amy helped me condense thence down to something that was more readable and serviceable in terms of a book, and she was wonderful to work with. >> host: 1100 -- this book is only -- 180 payments long. >> guest: right. well, let's put it this way. i'm saving some of it for another time. it just didn't boil everything down to this book. we took some things out and just focused on the message part overgirt when did you do that? >> guest: late at night and early in the morning. that's by and large. and i kind of missed doing that
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late at night and early in the morning. i was real discipline to do it. >> host: over what period of time did you do it. >> guest: i did dictation with a recorder and with another person, jim kaplan, who helped me -- asked me some questions that i then dictated. i did that, like can last august and september. and then we went back into session, so we were out of session, i could do more then. win back into session so we tried to prioritize some of that information, but probably after christmas, i started to think, this is the form i wanted the book to take, so first part of the year we finished that up. takes a while between when you finish the book and when he book comes out, i'm learning. >> host: took a bunch of notings and i want to ask you to expand on them.
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the one word i read several times is the word "faith" and you wrote, growing up catholic had an enormous impact on me, greater i'm certain than greg up in a political family. why? >> guest: well, i think it's self-evident. i make that statement because everybody knows that i grew up in a political family, but faith was a very -- is and has been a very important part of my family life growing up and now, and it informs me decisionmaking, my value system, and my sense of responsibility to the community, and it is a joy in my life. >> host: where did you get the faith? >> guest: from my parents from the nuns in school. i went to catholic school throughout my whole academic life. in fact, my husband and i and our children, and my own family now, have over 100 years of
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catholic education among us, but in my case, growing up, lived in a very catholic neighborhood, italian american neighborhood in baltimore, maryland. like to say i was christened in catholic church but we had catholic church this democratic party, our italian american heritage of which we were very, very proud, and deep patriotism for a love of country, of america. so, in some order we have all of that. >> host: you said also, i told them -- meaning the democratic caucus when you spoke to them -- my parents didn't raid me to be speaker. they raises me to be holy. >> guest: well, that was quite spontaneous because when i went up to the -- when i was nominated -- this is one week after the election. we're still counting volts in some of the districts, so i was still sort of in my work mode of
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finishing off the election but we had the organizing, which minute they -- the democrats would nominate their candidate for speaker of the house, being the majority, that's our prerogative. so, when i was not named by my colleagues, i was going up to thank them for it and on the way there the chair of the caucus, rahm emanuel, leaned over to congratulate me and said your parents would be provide it was stung moment. thought, my parents are proud of me -- it just struck me and so when i took the microphone i said rahm just said my parents would be so proud but they never a races me to be speak sore there would be no disappointment if i were not but they rates me to be hoely and that what was our orientation was in that era
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of growing up in a very devout catholic home and italian american neighborhood close to the church and going to catholic schools. so i guess they want me to be a holy speaker, to carry that faith into the position that i -- into the office of the speaker, which i certainly hope that i do. >> host: again, i found this quote, many motor vehicle friend were drawn to politics by the calling of their faith and the words of the bible. >> guest: this is true. many of the people that i know who are involved in politics, are motivated by their faith, whatever that faith may be. by the bible, koran, and whatever it may be. think that is so. the principles of love thy neighbor, do unto others, these are all principles that if we all lived by them issue think the world would be a better place. bible mentions the word poverty over 2,000 times. and our responsibilities there.
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the gospel of matthew in terms of when i was hungry you gave me to eat. tending, ministering to -- as the baseball says the least of all brethren, and the value that we place on god's creation, and so the environment, whether you respect -- respect nor spark of divinity that exists in every person. that's what i believe and that's what i see in every person, whether i agrew with them or not, and also respect for god's creation in terms of preserving the environment. many other manifestations of faith in public policy. >> host: let me ask you, because you watch this debate over the last couple of years about the muslim world and all. if you had written this book and in fact you were in a muslim and were the speaker of the house of america here, the united states, and you said, growing up muslim had an enormous impact on me,
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greater i'm certain that greg up in a political family, what would the reaction be given the attitude you know of the american people. whoa they accept it? >> guest: i think that a person's faith is probably more central to who they are than the occupation of their family or their parents. so, i think that is really almost a given, that a person's faith is more important than whether their parents practice medicine or involved in politics of whatever it is if would hope that the american people would accept whatever person beliefs are, sincere beliefs and that's what i would hope. of course it's easy for me to talk about being raised roman catholic, being raid, which because so many people in our country have shared that experience, but i think that if that were my faith, if i were a muslim, i would want to explain
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to them why that was the case, as i tried to explain why it is the case here. >> host: you look at this debate going on, with barack obama, people have been on the internet saying he is a muslim, as if that is a crime. i wonder, what does that say about us as people that they automatically equate that with something wrong. >> guest: i hope they don't. in america, there are more muslims than e's co pailans and i fine that -- ebusiness to pailans and i find thatting in and has been for a long time now, more muslims than epesto pailans. -- episcopalian and that's true of the done extra to and those who profess faith, and the respect we have for our own faith, should respect the faith of others as well. >> host: how we watched also candidates like john kerry and
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rudy giuliani be criticized or be as industry tra size -- ostracize is by if the catholic church for their positions on borings whether they can tike communion. you're outspoken. does the church give you any difficulty? >> not really. i think some of it is regional. depends on the bishop in a certain region, and fortunately for me, it has -- the communion has not been withheld and i'm a regular commune can't so that would be a severe blow to me if that were the case but in church this past sunday, in california, they gave out of what -- catholics in the ballot box or something like that and talked about all -- a range of issues, care for the poor, protection of the environment, stopping differ armament, including issues related to abortion and
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euthanasia and stem cell research. there's some areas we were in agreement and some areas we were not and one being that the women's right to choose, the other being stem cell research. >> host: should the church get into the politics in your opinion sunny think churches have their limitations because of their 501(c)(3) status, but separate from that in church of church and state i hope that the church's involvement would be to, as they have helped us here on a number of issues, on the budget, passing a budget that was humane, that dregsed the need of poor people in america, as they had been a voice in issues that relate to protecting the environment, we're working with the evangelicals on the issue of preserving the planet, on the issue of climate change. more most conservative evangelicals because they view this planet as god's creation, god's garden, as they refer to it as do i and we have a moral
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responsibility to preserve it. and they also say that as we do that, we must do so in a way that is not harmful to the poor. so, while we can talk about the differences of people of faith or the church in terms of one issue or another, there are plenty of areas of common interest. >> host: inner book you write, women or especially blessed with heightened intuition to decide or to advise. what does that mean? >> guest: well, when i was in college, i learned, as we judge leaders, that there's a difference between deductive reasoning and intuitiveness, and as a legislator, it's okay to be a deductive thinker, you time, hearings, this and that. as a leader you have to make a decision, and intuition counts a great deal for that, intuition
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that is based on value, the imagine you have, and -- the knowledge in you have and the judgment you bring it to. so recognizing that an important quality of leadership is to trust your judgment, your intuition, and women are very good at that. i think that that's just another asset that women bring to the table. >> host: what have you learn but men since you have become speaker? >> guest: since i've become speak sir. >> host: you talk but the old bulls in here. talk about rye versing the old boy system and you say, we have done it. >> guest: well, the minute i got the gavel, that changed a great deal. i used to say sometimes it was harder for a woman to become speaker of the house than to become president of the united states because you see the enthusiasm for women, for a woman candidate, and other people, not just women but men as well. but here this has been a, shall we say, tradition-bound institution for over 200 years,
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and power is not anything that anybody gives away. you have to fight for it. but the minute you have the gavel, the signal is given and the men have been great. >> host: have you changed your mine on men since your been speak center anything you have observe since you have halved the office. >> guest: when you say have he changed my mind -- i came into a family of six boys and one girl. one of my brothers passedaway early so i was raise nets family of five boys and one girl so it was nat fazed by being around a lot of men. i think being raised in that atmosphere' served me well when i came to congress. there were only maybe 20 women when i came to congress out of 435. imagine. all men. it just didn't seem appropriate in terms of the important depressions we had to make. so one of my goals was to increase the number, and
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we're -- we have quadrupled the number but it's still not enough. but i don't think there's anything as eloquent to your colleagues whether they're men or women, that you have the gavel. so, there's a -- i don't want to say a change in behavior but they respect the authority that the speaker has. >> host: intend to stand for efelix yes, i do. that would be if the democrats win the election in november, which i fully intend to ensure happens. >> host: the secret sauce club. whats that it story. >> guest: the secret sauce club. when came here a long time ago, 21 years ago, and you would always get this attitude of, we'll take care of it. we know. it's not just in the congress. this happens in many walks of life, happens in the political arena, outside the congress as
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well. we know how to do this, and so somewhere along the line i thought, they think they have the secret sauce but they're not winning. so, i don't have any -- they don't have any secret sauce or whatever they have, it's not working, and that was on of the dish had no intention of rung for -- running for leadership except i was tired of losing. the secret sauce is what's want to say towoman in general is that this mystique that because somebody wears a suit and tie and they have been around for a long time, means they have some secret sauce that only they know the recipe for doesn't exist. trust your own judgment. you probably have a better idea. >> host: if somebody would have seen you along with steny hoyer has interns in senator academy brewster's office many years ago, would they've guessed you
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would be speaker. >> guest: i would never have guessed. i didn't really have an interest in running for political office. i had experience that. when i was born my father was a member of congress for maryland. when i was in first grade, he was elected mayor of baltimore. when i went away to college, he was still mayor of baltimore. the edge life i knew so i thought that was fine for him but that wasn't what i was interested in, and just one thing led to another as i raise my family and became interested in issues and you fine out, you need a political solution so i got drawn back in and became chair of the california democratic party which to me was this following the jerry brown success in maryland, and which for me was tremendous honor. the biggest democratic party in the country think california, and i was the chair and i thought that was the ultimate
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honor. then one thing lead to another and i dime congress. i was never on the path to run; so to all the way back to when we were 21 years old or whatever in denny brew score's office i would have never suspects such a thing. steny certainly but not of me. >> host: you would have expected if you saw him at that age he would be a leader. >> guest: i didn't -- i thought he would just be in political life. you have to understands, when you're an intern in an office you're not thinking, who among us bill be speaker of the house. you're just thinking -- >> host: ed have an intern tell me he was going to be president of the united states and he meant it. >> guest: you know what? this generation has lot of confidence and good for them. i hope that -- one time when i was not in the leadership but i was a member of congress, was introduced to someone introduce flowed a constituent and he said, this is a congresswoman, maybe one day you, too to this little girl, you too will be a congresswoman. want you so see what you can be and she said, not me.
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i'm going to be president of the united states and i thought, you go, girl. she was about nine years old. >> host: when you where are dating your husband, paul, he asked you to pick up some shirts. >> guest: oh, yeah. >> host: and you but that in the book. what happened? did you pick them up? no wait as funny thing because we were having this conversation, about the subject we were studying in school, actually, korea, and he popped in and i said i have to leave now. i'm go to go take my clogged clo laundry or pin them up. he said will you pick up my shirts and gave me the ticket. thought, well, i'm not going act like a girl. if i war guy or one of my girlfriends asked me i would -- so i put it in any pocket, totally frat forgot it and came back and she said i thought i had more shirts than that. and i totally forgot. which was probably a good message to him. my friends were amused that i
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had not been so impressed by him that i would pick up his shirts. when we were newlywed he asked me to iron his shirt. i rolled it up, put it in drawer, when we gave that bureau to goodwill some years later somebody said what's this shirt in this drawer. >> host: what was his reaction. >> guest: where is my shirt. >> host: did he iron his own shirts? i said people make a living doing this and we should support them in doing that. take our shirts to the laundry. >> host: never ironed a shirt of his. >> guest: maybe i've ironed a shirt. don't want to eliminate the prospect -- i don't think so. >> host: i better ask -- >> guest: i iron my own shirts. >> host: your own blouses, even -- >> guest: i would never ask -- i i've had turn -- i was more into the get it another out of the drier while it's hot and flatten it out school of pressing. >> host: you live in a political
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family. your brother was the mayor of baltimore along with your father. if we saw you do what you have to do and not all dressed up and all that stuff but you're doing what you have to do to get elected, what would we see you doing and the way -- i know you have -- i read 29,000 personal addresses that you collected over the years of somebody you have directly had some involvement with. where do you do those kind of things? you don't talk but a that much in the book. >> guest: no. it is sort of almost a given kind of a thing. i never forget for a moment that even though i am speaker of the house i'm the congresswoman from san san francisco my constituents expect me to pay attention to them, as proud as they are i'm speaker but not at the cost of not having the immediate attention of their congress person. and so i take great inspiration and strength, draw great
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inspiration and strength from become among my constituents and communicating with them. >> host: what is it that -- if somebody goes to work for you in your office and the chief of staff pulls them aside and says, you better know the following five things about this person. if you want to get along in this office. >> guest: about me? >> host: about you. what would those five things be? what do you pant to know you demand. >> guest: well, first of all, we have to know who is boss and that is the american people. our constituents are our -- bosses and. who we work for. we all work for our constituents. for the people. secondly, i like a -- no surprises. i'm not interested in surprises. of any kind. i like people to obviously -- really associate it with part one, treat at the people who call is with great respect. that's part of who is boss, the american people. no surprises.
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sense of organization. respect for each other in terms of the office, the value that each of. the brings to it. and also just to remember that first and for most i'm a mom and a grandmother and a wife and that everything that i have to do, i will honor my responsibilities to do but i'm a person who has these personal responsibilities first and for most. >> host: what beaut things like -- do you have a philosophy of thank you notes? oh, yes. >> host: middle east someone and get them a thank you note within a day. >> guest: i don't know if it's a day but i think it's important to acknowledge the -- whatever we want to thank someone for but not only if they're doing something for us but just to acknowledge some great thing that someone may have done for our country, for our community, or whatever it is. it's a recognition of people, thanking them for what they do
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and volunteering to help them if they're in a time of strife and just being a friend. >> host: you mention in the book that founders were disrupters. >> guest: yes. >> host: magnificent disrupters. explain more of that. if somebody disrupts your day, doesn't make you very happy. >> guest: i love disruption. i don't want to be surprised about something that i should know about. but disruption is the american way, the founders -- think of what they did. think of what they did. this band of patriots, they declared their independence from the greatest naval power in the history of the world. they signed an owing, declaration of independence, to fight for that independence, and then they wrote the most magnificent doctrine -- document, the constitution of the united states, and the bill
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of rights, establishing a whole new country based on a whole idea of equality. the country -- the world had never seen such a thing and they transmitted this, this idea to the world, and what i like to say about them is that in addition to all that growth, separation, the congress, et cetera, they designed the great seal of the united states, and on that seal it says, new order for the centuries. for the centuries. so confident were they and what they were doing that they declared that it would last for centuries, forever, a long time to come. and that confidence, that optimism, that determination, is whatmer is -- what america is all about but it was disruptive predicate on the idea that one
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generation has responsibility to make the future better for the next, and that with -- that's the story of america. became known as the american dream. people flocked from all over the world to be part of it. and as they did, they made america more american because they brought their determination, their optimism, their hope, their commitment to make the future better for their next generation so they perpetuated this new order for the centuries. and that is -- in doing so they were entrepreneurial, disruptive along the way. that's our tradition. now it has additional meaning in terms of businesses, dr. christiansen, a professor at harvard business school, talks about the innovators dilemma -- no -- and the innovators solution, talks about disruption
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as how entrepreneurs are disruptive of the status quo and these companies that can do that have this agility to disrupt, backs -- you have ibm and at&t and companies like that which did what they did but then you had a microsoft come along and do something newer and then you had a google and yahoo and the rest of that and that beat goes on, and it isn't about the status quo. it's about change. it's in the tradition, the entrepreneurial spirit of our founder. >> host: you lived through the vietnam war and i'm sure you remember that right down here on the mall, they would fill it up with 200,000 people, protesting the war. we have seen very little of that in the iraq war. you have been ofoesed from the very beginning -- opposed right from the very beginning. why have we not seep more disruption and wife hey the democrats not been able to shut it down. >> we did see a great deal of disruption in the beginning,
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when i say disruption, demonstration of on things war it and was marked by its diversity. all different ages, all different ethnic groups and different economic status turning out in opposition to the war. and i think that it was part of the election of 2006 so we do have a change in the war, burt until we have a new president, that won't happen, and i would say that is one of my disappointments in the past 18 months, is that we have not been able to stop this war. when i -- when the war vote first came up i was the senior democrat on the intelligence commit year, called the gang of four, the i read everything. we had access to everything, the intelligence the administration had, and i said at the time, the intelligence does not support the imminent threat that this administration is claiming.
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people said to me are you call thing president a liar? i said i'm just stating a fact. the intelligence does not support the imminent threat. i was the whip at the time and my leader was going another way and supported the war, but 60% of the house democrats voted against the war. turns out, the intelligence did not support the threat because the threat wasn't there, and so when people say, we had faulty intelligence, no. the intelligence did not support the threat. so the war based on a false premise and the administration knew it. where sent our troops into war where we didn't know what we were getting into. rose petals are going to greet us. no, it was rocked propelled grenades, war they could pay for, the iraqis could pay for and relatively soon. no, we are still paying for this war. it is really one of the great
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historic blunder is think of all time and it's a tragedy, but we need new president to get us out because this president was beyond compromising on it. >> host: what happens if you're elected, the democrats continue to keep the house and the senate for talking purposes only-barack obama is elected president, and he seasons you up a bill of 170 billions for the war. what little do you do then. >> in this house we have passed five or six times funding for the war which defined the spending, which said, that it limited the time that -- there was a time certain, or sometimes we sent it as a goal because that's what the president -- the senate would accept. a time certain or a goal of 13 months, one -- one year, whatever it is, of the redeployment of troops to begin within 30 days and be completed within a year. that any troops that were left would be only there for the purpose of fighting the
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terrorists, protecting our embassy, and doing whatever training was necessary but a small number of troops in that regard. so, it was not about the money. as long as the troops are on the ground we have to protect them. but what is the money no? and we have over and over again sent it with terms and so i would expect that president obama -- that sounds great to me -- would be sending this legislation to us in that spirit, something he has voted for over and over again. >> host: what if he changes his mind, though? sunny don't see that happening but i won't myself believe that they is this war in iraq has taken its toll in lives, over 4,000, tens of thousands injured. many thousands of them permanently. taken a toll on our budget to the to an of probably $3 trillion, toll in our reputation in the world to deter our ability -- limit our ability
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to fight terrorism, stop the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, eradicate disease, alleviate poverty to assume our true leadership role in the world. and then if you don't -- if that doesn't matter so much to you just think of what it does to our capability, our military capability to protect america's interests wherever that are thenned and why so maune hawk nikolas congress are democrat side have opposed this war without end, because of what it is doing to undermine our military readiness. you seen admiral mullen, the chairman of the joint chiefs saying we need more troops in afghanistan but our commit independent iraq prevents that from happening. so this is harmful to our war on terrorism. it has not made the american people safer, not brought stability to the region, and i won't -- that is my position no matter who is president of the united states.
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>> host: you in your book say you were elected in 1987, first special election and you represent san francisco and predominantly got a whole san francisco area you missed only a chunk of it. >> guest: yes. 75 to 80% of the exterior san francisco. >> host: on average, how guying you win? >> guest: i win pretty big. >> host: 75%? sunny like 80. >> host: the reason i ask -- for a purpose. the -- all the poll showed this institution you are speak are of at a very low approval. one of them even in the last couple of of days had nine percent approval. why that do the american people so much either differ trust ow not like this place. >> guest: the congress and the united states is not an student that has been beloved over time. i think right now the institution is in disfavor because we have not ended the war. hardly any --s approve of
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congress because we have notes ended the war. that's the main reason. but i am -- i myself don't approve of congress in terms enthing war. so i might be among those who disapprove of congress but in terms of how they approve of democrats, overwhelmingly positive for us in the difference between who you trust in terms of you name it you name any subject, the economy, healthcare, global warming, even issues that relate to iraq, the overwhelmingly the american people support the democrats, trust the democrats, and that is why we're going to do so well in november and the next election. i'm confident of that. >> host: this morning, we're recording this on july 16th -- this came into the office, the political newspaper, and it says the price of influence, 170 million, and this is all about just a microcosm of what goes on in the town and but freddie mac and fannie mae and
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the amount of money that has been spent on lobbiy since 19 8. 170 million. the question i have for you is, how did this congress, how disthis town, allow government service enterprises like fannie mae and freddie make many others, how did they let the people that run them take as much in the case of franklin rinses, $90 million in six. >> jamesy, $26 million over that period of time. hough did this ever happen in this town and that isn't that part of white people distrust this congress? >> guest: i can only answer for the democrats when we came in, which was 18 months ago. came in, in january. our financial services committee organized february 1st, in and by april we had a bill on the floor which passed the house that said that -- call for the reform of the gse, fannie mae and freddie mac, april 2007.
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the wide to get that reform the stimulus package but there was resistance to that. we passed a bill again in may of this year, and now that's part of the package going forward and hopefully will become the law of the land. i think that once we get past this crisis and we are in a crisis in terms of mortgage four,s foreclosures and housing crisis you will see the gse subjected d to great scrutiny a change in how they do business. >> host: forget the politics for a minute. what happened to this society that, for instance, the fellow that runs fannie mae right now gets $3.5 million a year in salary, running an institution that the congress set up, for the purpose of helping people get mortgages. >> guest: well, i say to my colleagues all the time, going back a number of years, hard to decide whether fannie mae and
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freddie mac war qusay government quasi-government of or quasi-nongovernmentol oceans. thought to be a good idea to have itself be a strong private sector initiative with shareholds and the rest but with a -- at the government role in it as well if think we have to subject that to some scrutiny. in our bill that we're putting forth, it says there can be no dividend shareholders and their there has to be a a review of compensation by the outside authorities to fannie mae and freddie mac. that's couple of first extend but we just have to subject the whole formulation to happen e harsh scrutiny and come up with something else. >> host: this morning's "washington post" there's an article but a franklin rains, but there's just a little note in there that he recently had a black fast with larry small who also used to be at fannie mae
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but then ran the smithsonian and he had to leave because he was discovered getting a million dollars a year in salary. the question i have is what happened to us as a society that people that came into so-called public service, take it all? take all this money. >> guest: that's a personal decision they make. we can't allow that to happen. and again, now that we have the power, we can have some influence over it ump i think you'll see real change in terms of could compensation, dividends and the rest of that, but it's also going to have to be a different structure for these organizations because while they are private sector organizations , their exposure to risk minimized because they're government sponsored enterprises. that's gse. and so what are they? this hybrid is not working out. we want it to work out in the favor of the american taxpayer,
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they are the preferred shareholders and they get the first return from any of the success of fannie mae and freddie mac. kansas answer for larry small and his decisions about compensation and the rest of that but i can tell you in terms of gse, you'll see major change. >> host: go back to whole abramoff scandal, i ready trent lott and john bro on the side of northup gruesome mond and -- gruesome mond and dick again hard on the part or boeing and the lobbying attempt to get more money for tanked. how much farther is this going to go. >> guest: that's why i wanted to havemer women involved in politics, why it's important to election president barack obama president of the united states. i'm proud of his most important piece of legislation, the ethics reform bill that breaks the link between lobbyists and
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legislation in washington but let me just separate the abramoff thing out. at the of the scandal the "washington post" wrote that what was happening in washington was a -- like a criminal cindy cat one out of the leader. tom delay's office. we have cleaned off of that out. we have cleaned all of that out and i don't think you should paint everybody with their brush, mr. delay is under indictment and many people went to jail but that is what was wrong and that is why it's important to have -- you're not going to ever have a change in policy in washington, dc that you want to see unless you change the way washington, dc works. it is a city that is wedded to the past, that is status quo city and people make a living maintaining that status quo...
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>> and he did that the only reason he was able to prevail because people very are extending him small donors he had large donors too but small donors were his. so if he were breaking it to say to relies on fat cats i would not be happy. but he's relying on the small donors and i think we -- we have to review must have
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campaign finance reform we must have public isn't ready for it yet but i hope when they see what has happened ins past few years an see their democracy at stake maybe they may move to that for presidential but for congress as well. >> on the barack obama there were plenty of big time got into that process. it has been reported, so it's not just a small contributor but small -- the small what made a difference in his -- >> let me ask again what was your personal reaction when he decided not to take the public funds? >> realizing that the money that he would be relying on would be overwhelmingly from small donors. i did not have a problem with it. but let me remind you that reason we know about the bundlers is that because barack obama insisted in the law welcome the ethics reform law which is the biggest piece of ethics reform in history of the congress is that --
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is that the bundling that is done have a bright light being shine -- shone on it so that people could see who it was bringing what to the table. and that transparency is very are, very wholesome but without barack obama you don't know who they were and what they brought to the table. so this is all a step in the direction that i think is keeping with the spirit of democratic elections with the smallty and that -- but hopefully with the democratic president and a democracy congress we can convince american people that it's their government and public financing makes it even more so removes cynicism that they have justifiably so toward what happens in washington, d.c. here tim speaker of the house i consider myself an outsider. i disrupted the order of things
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by running because i didn't like -- i wanted to take us in a new direction. would you expect barack obama if he became president to sponsor a piece of legislation that would go to public financing for -- he wouldn't want to run again and he realizes part raise all of many thun would you expect him to endorse idea of public financing right away? >> i don't know if he could sell it to the congress. but hopefully that is what he would do. it is going to take in order for something to pass, it takes a massive effort because you have to 60 votes in the senate. how many tules has i said did we send legislation to end the the war to the senate to have this 60-vote barricade keep us from sending something to the white house? but i certainly would expect that he would public financing. >> last question -- your book is called know your power what is your power as
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speaker? >> power of the speaker is awesome. that modestly, the power invested in speaker constitutional officers, the president, the vice president, the speaker of the house, it's recognized in the constitution and a has the great deal of power in the house of representatives. the power of -- to set legislative agenda the power of recognition as to who will not and committee assignment, the the platform to speak about the issues build consensus within the party, it has many responsibilities as well. thomas jefferson said every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle so we try to have a level of civility to that honor that a recognizes that and so -- so it is a very powerful position. and i -- it's humble ling, but i also respect the offices that i hold, and i believe that the president
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of the united states does too. my members certainly do. >> speaker nancy pelosi thank you. >> thank you, my pleasure to be with with you. for a dvd copy of this program, call 1877, 662, 7726. for free transcripts, or to give us your comments about this program, visit us at q and a.org. q and a program are are also available at c-span podcast. some of the current best sell egg nonfiction books according to indy bound a group of independent bookstores that are members of the american book sellers association.
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a russian produced by a secret operation of the russian goth government to harm hillary so they said yes we'll take your information and presumably they woulds use it if they found is useful so they were at least agreeing to conspire or collude with russia and that one act but throughout the -- throughout the rest of the campaign. trump and his lieutenants again and again and again denied the russians were doing anything. david corn, best selling author and washington bureau chief for mother's joans magazine will be our guest on in-depth our live colin program this sunday at noon eastern. mr. corn myself recent book russian roulette the inside story of putin war on america and election of donald trump is coauthor ad with michael oher boobs include belonged ghost and showdown. watch in-depth with david korn
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live sunday from noon to 3 p.m. eastern on c-span2's booktv. a look at some of the books published this week in the truth we hold kamala harris of california recalling her upbring now informing her govern style and they describe assassination attempts against george washington in the book the first conspiracy. in it was all a dream, alan looks at how black millennials view the american dream and in the second kind of impossible physicist paul recalls his attempt to discover new forms of matter. also being released this describes how new media is changing protests in memes to movements. breaking and entering by jeremy smith explores life of a famous hacker, called alien. joshua goldstein -- in a bright future examined
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potential solutions to climate change and already been enacted by some countries. and in beyond these walls tony has a history of american criminal justice. look for these titles in book storeses this coming week and watch for many of the authors in the the near future on booktv on c-span2. [applause] good afternoon. on behalf of the library of congress who would like to express our deep gratitude to aarp for making this presentation possible. aarp has been a long time supporter of the library's education initiative and we're very is grateful for that. it's my honor t

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