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the balance and rebalance the marketplace so that consumers had the protections and the support they need inorder to flourish . >> was the rest of this program is in our website and search record richard cordray for the title of hisbook watchdog . >> now on book tv, some recent offer programs about the trump administration. we begin with author and journalist ronald kessler, he appeared on our author interview program in 2018. discuss how president from this experience impacted his presidency. >> lets talk about the media because you do put a lot of examples in the book as you just described. where there seem to have no bounds for discrediting, destroying, driving negative narratives on donald trump. it's as if with president trump he could do no wrong but for donald trump he can do no right to what's your
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sense of what's driving this in the mainstream media that you're part of ? >> first of all, there's a virus against republicans for a bias against republicans in general. reagan was portrayed as dangerous and the same thing with, he's dangerous according to the media and you just can't break out of that . i think they feel that if they did they would be ostracized by their colleagues and i know for example from people within the white house correspondents of all that among themselves they laugh at him. they mock him. that is the overriding theme and many people just inherently think independently and in fact that's one reason i left college after 2 years like a few other people, michael dell. i didn't want to be told how to think i didn't want to be told what to read. i wanted to get firsthand
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what actually happened and that's the way i've operated. i don't have blinders on. i'd like to penetrates secrets and that's what i've done in this book with all these details about the real donald. >> that's excellent, it's a fun read. so explain what happened with rance previous paul ryan and chris christie during access hollywood, important weekend for the campaign and what they do and then was there any repercussions from what they did later. >> even mind that rance previous went to the debates. he still supported trump for the rnc. he didn't withdraw any support. >> what did he say? >> let's see. >> he said you can get out of the race or losing a huge landslide and you mentionthis in your book . but that didn't, but it was
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too specific tasks. >> at the same time trump never forgive him for saying that it is unfortunatebecause trump , because rex resided over so many of these successes including the deregulation of that led ceos to realize expand and hire more workers. that they're not going to be restricted and constricted and a lot of other achievements that occurred under reince priebus but at one point on the access hollywood tape said hillary, it shows trump is a coercive marauder but actually what he is saying in the day is women are after him all the time and he takes advantage of that. when you're a star, they want you to do that so it's not, it's not nonconsensual activity. it's consensual activity that he describes.
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>> wow. it wasn't anything that really has happened in politics in my lifetime, in your lifetime so we saw something that doesn'tusually happen . usually it would be the death now of the presidential campaign paul ryan, the speaker seemed to that way. and looking back, what is it that they didn't understand whether it was reince priebus or paul ryanabout the trump voter and the trump base , about these things about donaldtrump ? >> i think reince priebus did understand but it is very hard for people in certain circles. on the east and west to understand the way of the average voter thinks. my home contractor, working-class person said to
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me i don't care what trump says, i just care about what he does and that i think sums up the way people in the so-called working-class think they have to be judged by results in the carpenter nails a nail into a strut and it's crooked, you may be fire . hired professor can sound off about all kinds of things is never held accountable. these people understand results and that's what you see withdonald trump . >> i see your point and that was great in your book read let's talk about home beach. it was alien to me but you write that behind the hedges, the games that all teachers play, their affairs, scams, murders, injuries, jealousies, pretenses, bigotry and occasional generosity makes you see me as tv shows look like nursery tales. talk about how donald trump came into ma a lago how he
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took that place and how it resultedtoday . >> from first heard about ma a lago from his missing driver and this is typical. he will go around asking people opinions whether they are chambermaid or secret service agents. he has his advisers but he also has a wide canvas of people who give him opinions. as well as about 12 he consults. i name them in the book, most are billionaire is the way he works. when i was at mar a lago recently within he asked me what i thought about israeli settlements. i know as much about the middle east as he knows about the talmud but i gave him my opinion and that's the way he operates . but he wasn't brought by mar a lago and he brought it at bargain basement prices. it was a white elephant and at first he used it as his home but then he decided to turn it into a club and that
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was the idea of paul rent health, his lawyer in florida who is jewish and said you can let in jews and blacks, these other clubs don't do that. sure enough now it's worth $700 million. mar a lago, donald second wife was against turning it into a club. she wanted it for herself but he went ahead with it. one thing she did contribute was she said he should have a spot and so he created trump spa at mar a lago. but it is paradise. as he says it's the closest thing to paradise will ever get to. it is simply unbelievable. it overlooks both sides ofthe island which is only a half-mile wide at the widest point . and this culture is unique. it's the richest place in the world.
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it has these traditions, a ball, they spend all the time at charities developing these balls and in the end they don't actually producethat money much money . one club member by the name of john was married to a very wealthy real estate guide to italy and eventually he died and left her about $300 million. she stored his body at a local funeral home for 40 days under ice because he said i wanted to enjoy the season as they called it. i was faithful to him. and now i want to enjoy myself and go to parties, party on the yacht with ivana
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and she said she's going to do the same thing toher second husband if he dies as well . this is palm beach. >> i don't think many spouses would go for that but maybe in palm beach . it's incredible. talk about the flag that he had a battle with palm beach people about down there. >> donald directed this huge flag, towering over mar a lago, towering over the street and the town said this is against zoning regulations but he wins the battle and said it was a free speech issue. he sued the town and they started finding him a huge amount of money every day and eventually they settled and he agreed to move the flagpole further away from the street and to reduce the length of the flagpole but guess what?
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he erected it on a mound that his workman created so that in the end it was just as high as it was before. this is typical donald trump. and as he says, he always wins. not quite but he usually does . and the way he finagled to get the club approved by the town is typical of how he operates. on the one hand, paul rent health, his lawyer had copies of the gentlemen's agreement and another similar movie to the town council members who are trying to prevent him from turning this into a club . implying that they're all bigots and that's why they are against approving the club. at the same time he sued the town and he invited these town council members to parties at mar a lago and he
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says going out these glamorous girls and he often play golf with them and tennis with them so he uses the carrot and the stick and eventually it worked. mar a lago brings in almost $40 million a year. everybody wants to gothere now . that sort of sums up the way trump operates. >> another recent book about president trump is bob woodward's fear. and it author and pulitzer prize winning journalist discusses his conclusions about thetrump administration. he spoke at george washington university in september 2018 . >> everyone here has seen the book on the enormous amount of attention and the thing that struck me the most about the book was that i thought that you drew conclusions in a way that you may not have in previous books. you were very critical about how comey handles his interactions with the
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president when he briefed him on the dossier and your largest conclusion. >> can you imagine you are two weeks away from becoming president and the fbi director comes in and there's no way the ghost of theodore hoover is not far behind. and says by the way, we have this secret dossier about you being with prostitutes in moscow threeyears earlier . how wouldyou feel ? >> how should comey have handled it? >> not that way. and trump as a legitimate beach in my view and i say so in the book and being the prisoner of too much history and writing too much about presidents, in the case of bill clinton when he came into office in 1993 and his white house counsel was burning this one the first of six. >> that's right but the first
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and as you imagine, clinton had some baggage to and there were all kinds of things that the fbi got about clinton's extracurricular activities, which were abundant so they sent all this instead of breathing clinton on it they sent it to bernie nussbaum, white house counsel and nussbaum looked at it and said put it in the burn bag. and said okay, let's see what happens. let's see how these things happen and i'm not sure the burn bag, i wish he called me and he didn't, but the idea of the fbi director getting in the face of somebody like trump who has a big ego. and i quote in the book, clinton told his lawyer after this briefing, he said
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melania can never find out about this and it was a few days later she did as did the world. >> you draw a conclusion that the administration is in a very dangerous spot and i felt, is that the furthest you have ever gone and why did you go so far? >> evelyn duffy who is my assistant. are you here evelyn ? raise your hand, stand up. [applause] a george washingtonuniversity graduate . [applause] and the year 2007, she's worked for me since
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that time and we've done five books, 4 presidents and she knows all the secrets. and she knows how to keep secrets and she knows how to kick me in the ass. and for that, i salute her and gw. [applause] but evelyn and my wife elsa walsh, very much involved, this is a family affair and they both said you cannot step away from the obvious conclusions of what you've found in the book. that there is, there are a group of people which i illustrate very vividly who stand up to trump. steel documents off hisdesk . on south korean trade because it's connected to very sensitive intelligence operations.
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documents on nafta, documents on climate change and so forth. it's a regular procedure. get it off the resolute desk and he will not remember or not think about it. and as i say, you've got all of the other things. john dowd 's lawyer for the russian investigation for eight months, can you imagine being trump's lawyer? eight months area and he goes through and he finally does a practice session with trump and in the white house and their overlooking the monuments and dowd, the lawyer asks questions of trump. it's kind of a dry run and trump picks things up, lies. loses emotional control and
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finally says you cannot testify. if you testify, it will be as he elegantly puts it an orange jumpsuit. and you don't have to know a lot about law enforcement to not recognize what that is. so you connect all of these things and my conclusion in the book is that it's an administration and a white house that's going through a nervous breakdown. >> so it's going through a nervous breakdown. how couldit go wrong? what would the manifestation of that look like ? give us an example of okay, in a dangerous spot what could happen? >> just on trade and it sounds esoteric but the trade war with china. 99.9 percent of the economists say tariffs makes
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no sense, they hurt consumers, we buy things because they are cheaper and better quality and trump somehow has in his head that they're taking that money from us, they are stealing and he will not get that out of his head . one of the conclusions that i make is that there's a war on truth and part of it is not just what trump says but where trump gets these ideas and the experts go in. gary cohen's chief economic advisor . he kind of slaps him gently in an affectionate perhaps way and says if you'd shut up you would learn something.
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[applause] >> our look at recent books on the trump administration continues with historian and author victor davis hanson. his book the case for trump deals with how the president has followedthrough on his campaign promises . mister hansen appeared on our program "after words" in 2018 and spoke with congressman dave bryant ofvirginia . >> i think the deep state is a permanent class of federal and also state and local workers who feel that they are exempt frompublic accountability . there's a civil-service union and yet they have the resources of the state so if they want to regulate the farmer or they want to sue a coal company, they have the means to bankrupt that person and or if there a federal prosecutor and they say are going to bring you in front of a liberal washington dc jury tie you up for years
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unless you admit to this, this as we saw with the mueller investigation, that's the deep state and they tend to be progressive only in the sense that the ideology of making them your giving them more power is democratic and leftist that's one of the reasons that they hated trump. you mentioned some of the names i feel like i'm in an alternate universe read james clapper went before a congressional committee and under oath he swore that the united states was not intercepting communications of private citizens and then he said i lied what i gave the least untruthful and there were no consequences. john brennan went before a congressionalcommittee and said i can tell you we have not had any collateral damage in drone attacks in afghanistan , that was a lie and he admitted it. he went before the committee and said we do not at the cia into senate staff and that was a lie. there has been no ramifications .
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james comey said to two of your congressional committees i don't know. if you or i said that to an irs investigator would be in jail so there are people who have an assumption that they have a right to overturn an election for the will of the people because their exempt and they're powerful. when andrew mccabe said he thoughtdonald trump wasn't acting right and you went to ron rosenstein , the deputy attorney general and they discussed whether they should tap the president of the united states with a wire and then those two would decide whether they should all cabinet officers to remove an elected president on the 25th amendment which it was never designed for that, that was the academy of what the deep state of itself and its power and its morality. and throughout history at bursae or in the spanish empire for the byzantine empire , in constantinople
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it's always a problem. it always grows and it has pretensions ofsupremacy. i don't know how we stop it but we got to speak out against it . >> that is constituents and even liberals, i get a chance to meet bernie sanders and he's in agreement with a lot of what you said about the deep state and the concentration of wealth and power on the left . but it's interesting, everybody knows this . and people would ask what can we do. and you're really left in a talk by. that the major politicians that they know that if you mess with the state, cia, they told trump i think it was schumer. made a comment with respect if. >> many of those books in quotes in the book when schumer says have to take six-day. maybe get to you and when john brennan tweeted an attack on trump and said not a good idea, john blacklock. there's a lot of, i have a lot of evidence that what
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they thought of themselves. >> rented clapper and mccabe but they were exempt so far they're right. they have not been exposed to criminal prosecution or ask of anyone of us had done it we would have been leveraged and yet we go after all these minor characters. we go after papadopoulos and we them with years of imprisonment and financial ruin unless they get a particular testimony we find useful we have all this other asymmetrical criminality that we don't touch it because it is our own fault. we give undue see and obey its two people that have offered that titles after their name. jd, phd, m.d. . or their counsel in foreign relations or at the institution rather than just examining people. was part of the revolution of the 30s, 40s and 50s with managerial society that we feel that there's a professional class because
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their credentials and they work at the right places. therefore equates to wisdom and sobriety and i think that's yet another reason that people hated donald trump. because if you walk into a room with donald trump and i haven't done it but you said mister trump, you can't do that because the council on foreign relations thinks it's a bad idea it probably say what good idea they hadlately . was it the north korea six party agreement ? it hasn't worked, was it afghanistan? we have one so that one of the reasons they don't like him. >> it's interesting when charlottesville came up where your called names at length. do not these and etc., our philosophy believes the exact opposite, we want to reduce the role of federal government read madisonian logic wantthem to be separated from federal state and local and it's the federalist separation of powers . president trump is fighting this war daily in trying to
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fight the leviathan. do you see any light at the end of the tunnel that we are able to reduce the size and scope of government and the power being wieldedor is it as you noted its continually growing ? >> i think the problem is we hear donald trump has not filled federal offices. that he be regulated 200 key regulations, that's all good but at the same time the cost of government and the deficit has been rising so you want to know if he's some person engaged in a hopeless, he's a don quixote type character because it's hard to see that he has expertise and experience to help, to systematically go through that administrative state and say that this person needed? does that person wanted, can we cut money here? i'm really worried about the role of the federal prosecutors and to a lesser
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extent state prosecutors, the idea that a federal prosecutor can decide which case to try and then to leverage witnesses with the power of the state behind them to extract a confession. it's really scary because it's predicated on the idea that i'm going to go to you and i want to convict him and i found something in your past and i'm going to try you and it's going to cost you $1 million to defend yourself and i got an unlimited budget and i will break you unless you testify against him. idon't think our jurisprudence ever was intended to work that way . >> our look at recent books on the trump administration continues with author trump presidential campaign advisor even more. his book trump anonymous examines the economic policies of the trump administration. here'sa portion of his talk in which he discusses the tax cuts of 2017 . >> there is always a risk when we say people are pro-business, that there actually, they are pro-cronyism at the same
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time. >> a couple ideas, first of all the government is a $4 trillion enterprise so it's the biggest enterprisein the world . then you bring in business principles to how we operate that, that makes sense to me. you don't waste money you have a bottom line. you make sure you only have so much revenue, you don't spend way overyour revenue amounts . has brought some of those principles to washington which i think is well, long overdue. one of the things about barack obama is barack obama didn't know anything about business. how could he possibly know what economic policies are going to work. >> i think the biggest difference between president obama and president trump is i don't know if it was true but listening to him there was a very, it felt like a
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veryantibusiness sentiment . and under president trump i think companies are relieved. >> look what happened, we've got charts in the book that show literally when people say this is the obama recovery, what are people talkingabout ? under obama last year he was in office the economy grew one half percent. it was sliding down into a recession and look what happened to business confidence, consumer confidence, investor confidence. to date after the election it just went through the roof as people realize this guydoes know something about business . i think when i talk to businessmen and women people ask me what's the single most important thing trump has done to unleash this incredible economy, and in my opinion it wasn't any one thing. if thatbusinesses knew that if they were successful the government wasn't going to come after them with a
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baseball bat and hit them over the head with it . that's just getting the government as much out of the way . we all want clean air, we want water . we want financial projections and so on but in ways that aren't going to inhibit our businesses . i am pro-business. i'm not a cronies you can't have jobs and the problem is the democratic party i think i've become antibusiness in their outcome. >> let's talk about thetax cuts . big things and you and i, we've been talking about and it's done, i would always a the idea of in 25 years i will still be calling for the reduction of the tax law, it depresses me and i have to say this anymore area tell us about the tax cuts, how it came to the and yes. >> in our first meeting with trump he asked us to the economic advisers.
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the first thing he said is he knew in general, the direction he wanted to go and you wanted to lower rates and businesses to succeed and bring, make america more competitive so that if a factory is leaving theunited states . >> .. >> .. the other thing is we had a worldwide tax system. those two things together or
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really detrimental to companies. the left is always talking about the escape, the corporate income tax at home by keeping their money at home but is not a solution. every investment decision especially of the size is dictated by a bad tax system is not conducive to first grade business decision or great economic outcome. >> he got that. he was not a tough sell on that. what are my favorite stories in the book is when recommending to you that you run on a 20% tax rate. he sat back and said i'm not going to do that. don't you understand? he said i want 15%. what's interesting is from that day intel, is almost exactly a year ago that bill was signed into law and we got the votes we needed, we got the 50 vote in the senate and i remember mitch mcconnell come into the room
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to see the president and he said i'm so sorry, couldn't get you 15% would you take 20 bucks trump said absolutely. i'm convinced trump is a master negotiator. he understood something larry and i didn't understand at the beginning. you start at 15 and negotiate up if you start at 20 we would've in 25, 26%. the other thing the trump didn't want to make it because it's important on that tax bill. every time we bring this up he said what about 26.5 million small businesses in this country? i want to make sure every businessman in this country who starts a business gets a tax cut. this has been mislabeled. this is a big giant tax cut forr the large corporations. every small business that have tax liability has gotten a a tx cut and that's where a lot of the juice for the economy is coming. the width of the repatriation so we allowed businesses that had money overseas to bring back at a low rate and that's coming back. we estimate how the trillion
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dollars. >> there's a minimum -- one of the change that was made is having minimal global tax? >> i believe there is. >> i'm a little wary -- >> there so many elements. we got rid of the corporate alternative minimum tax but for businesses it's been a very positive thing. we are seeing a lot of money come back. worsening a lot of business investment. the most important point, this is something that larry kudlow used to say to trump all the time, and trump now says it all the time because it's true. when you cut taxes for businesses, it's a middle-class tax cut. how could that possibly be? when you get businesses investing more in this country they will hire more workers, pay the more, their productivity is related to business investment. if you have a truck company
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that's taking 18 trucks and ale sudden 20, guess what they have to hire two more truck drivers. it was getting businesses healthy so they could have more workers and its deadly you know this, today in america we have 7 million more jobs that we had people to fill them. that gives workers a lot of opportunities to bring their wages up. >> it's a point that is worth repeating, that the corporate income tax rate is not just a giveaway to businesses. the economic research shows very clearly that it leads to more capital investment which leads to more equipment productivity and that leads to higher wages. and the economic growth means as you sit more jobs but also the jobs that exist are also tend to be higher income. it's something that is counterintuitive i think for people and we really, really got
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for the fight for the -- >> liberal say this was a tax cut for rich people and a bigger tax cuts for corporations are wrong. we do the stated heritage fund the average american has gained $2000. average middle-class worker has seen a a $2000 after tax incres into income and when you include the increased in the sounds come with it's about $3000. if you're making, if your family making 50-80,000 a year and you get an extra $2500 $2500 a yean your paycheck, that's a big deal. i don't care if nancy pelosi says that his crumbs. it isn't crumbs. one story, as in dallas a a coe months ago walking down the street and this latina woman walked by nietzsche greatly by governments and are usually talks economics? i i said, i just not been said that was me. i was in churches gratis like me but she said i did not vote for donald trump she said i don't even like donald trump that you
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said i just got a $2000 thousand dollars bonus for my employer hereto said for the first time in five years i can take a vacation. that's the kind of thing that really means a lot to a middle-class family. >> yahoo! news discussed the makeup of the president's cabinet at the national press club in washington, d.c. last summer. in this portion reports on how lesson on cabinet members are coming up with policies that will last for generations. >> i think the most consequential people are not the cabinet secretaries. it's the deputies and the assistant secretaries under them. a lot of them today are heritage foundation or american enterprise institute, i don't use functionary in a negative way. they are operatives who are minted in sort of in the conservative spirit and they have incredible power. unlike the scott pruitt's of this world that are not come
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scott pruitt gets incredible attention because a guy who looks for, how can that not be in the news? who knows the name of bill wareham or nancy back, both of whom, bill just left him he was the assistant administrator i think in charge of clean air. nancy back was a major sort of official in charge of toxics. these people are not known and they're the ones making the consequential decisions. >> that's government at all points though. and the fact that trump has built a relatively small number of positions in government relative to what is legally authorized to do, they feel very few of the position a lot of the appointed, they are acting and maybe feel some to get a confirmation hearing, maybe they
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won't. maybe he will just point them again that's something else. they all work in this contingent field where they know the bubble can pop at any moment. a lot of them are out there basically with no adult supervision. there is no white house function. mick mulvaney is a smart guy that he is not drilling down epa of cold policy. he's just not. a lot of these folks are fairly young, fairly ideological and they are out there, they're going to punch as hard as he came inside the government to do some things that are other pet listed is not necessarily trump policies. these are things that you like heritage foundation had a position on ask, we are going get. >> i'm curious how you knew when the book was done. this is very much a story that -- how did you figure out when you were ready to put an exclamation point on the story and publish the book?
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>> it's funny because i'll just reference his payback says -- i should get you material for my jessica so much happens everyday. i'll give you an answer that will sound clip but is not. one of my editors said you're done. we wanted, trump was, we come for all that is been said about sarah sanders i asked if i could interview tron. i made it clear the book would be critical and she would happen. that was the last thing. it was in february and the editor said just, you can't do anymore. otherwise it becomes like some sort of magic realism when writing the book as every day something new happens and wilbur ross, no come to something crazy or steven mnuchin flies on the plane of some feel unit. it would never end. it had you in just with a hard deadline. >> i want to more about the trumpet of you.
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news organizations have public transcript of interviews dead-end with the president to show the answers are healthy praise the questions, a lot of transparency about times they set that with the president. what was your interview like? what was it? how long did it last what kinds of things to do cover besides what we see in the book? >> oval office office come fib, about 27 minutes. i don't know there's any difference between trump in 11 trump on television. he was turn in the way that i consider myself a new yorker. i lived there for many years. i don't think he is in outer borough chart. i've i watched him with crowds m the south and elsewhere where i think it's a charm the works of people, even if they're not from new york come sort of recognize the something quirky new yorker about it.
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look, he knew we're going to talk about the cabinet but also just as clearly didn't anything about his own cabinet. he clearly didn't know who was working for him and what they were doing. i just think that's not the way he sees the presidency. the presidency, everything is trump. >> i mean, the trump organization sounds like a big thing but it was always donald trump, a couple of secretaries and whoever is like chief hoodlums were at the time. i think he looks at the white house the same way. emerson once set in the station is a link and shadow of a man. and all presidencies would influence the people who work for them. but with trump he is inside might such a singular figure that the people who try to
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imitate them always fail because not all of us had a reality tv show for 15 years and deeply ingrained part of the popular culture. i think you're right, i don't think he sees it as what the what am i doing, how do i look on tv, what's a twitter could. >> no. he spoke on for example, inevitably the interview went into russia, collusion, no collusion. >> full exoneration. some people are saying. [laughing] >> he couldn't come he didn't want to talk about anyone but himself. that was very clear and kept coming back to himself. he didn't want to think about the complex operations of the federal government, the way that you can imagine another president doing that. >> i think you're right on that. i don't think he has the sort of
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landscape to look at super complex multi-variable problems. he is a man driven by his needs and his emotions, not -- to say donald trump is a policy towards anything is not i think i could. >> i think it's instinct and his instincts are really strong and sometimes mr. verrilli will. sometimes they serve and really poorly. >> he's got a feral cunning about them when it comes to his own. >> will come if you talk to bannan, he will say come he will acknowledge something, i think bannan understands it really well. i think michael wolff has said the reason he relied on band so much is that because he felt like bannan was the best of trump. bannan will set somewhat more kindly, something that is not an intellectual but that he has and intelligence that is almost impossible to teach which is a
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sort of self-preservation, self promotion, i don't know how will serves the president, chief executive but it seems to serve him. >> you are watching booktv on c-span2. with open our archives to take a look at some recent books about the trump administration. next, pulitzer prize-winning journalist james stewart talks but his research allegations of russian interference in the 2016 president election. he talked about his book "deep state" in october 2019. >> trump decides impulsively he is going to fire comey. he calls people into the white house and says i'm going to fire comey and don't try to talk out of it. he brings sessions in this is what you think of me firing comey? session says it's fine with me. rosenstein's i think they mishandled the clinton administration.
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trump perks up and says can you write me a memo to that effect rosenstein goes back, writes a memo critical of calm and clinton enhance it back. all of a sudden trump who had already decided on his own to fire comey for reasons completely unrelated to the claims grabs the number and says yes, this is the reason he must be fired. the white house press corps went out and said the justice department insisted comey be fired because of the way they handle, that he handled the clinton investigation. then trump called upper rosenstein's and what could go and do a press conference and say you are the one who insisted that comey be fired because of the handling of the clinton thing. at this point rosenstein is in total shock. because he knew, this is completely false. it is not because of the clintons that trump wanted to fire comey, and it was not his idea to fire comey. to his credit he refused to do
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that. trump tied to get sessions to pressuring the session siddall, that's a false narrative and we're not going to put it out. days later rosenstein calls andy mccabe who has become the acting fbi director since comey was by. i want to read a brief passage. he would talk about something relatively innocuous, and i report as follows -- rosenstein gaze shifted towards the closed door to the room some of the his eyes looked classy. his voice wavering, his eyes cued up. he said he couldn't believe what was happening. the white house a trend make a look as if it was his idea to fire comey. that wasn't true. the president as to write the memo only after nothing he was firing comey. rosenstein was struggling to keep his emotions in check. mccabe was shocked, essential
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calling the president of life. they barely knew each other. he wanted to be compassionate. are you okay? no. are you getting any sleep? no. intrafamily okay? rosenstein's there were news trucks parked outside his house. his wife and family were upset. it was a pause and rosenstein's, there's no one here i can talk to about this. there's no one i can trust. rosenstein it seemed begin to be struggling to hold his emotions in check. after a pause he asked if mccain thought he should appoint a special counsel in the cape would be a good idea. rosenstein's he always considered jim comey a friend and mentor, , so he looked up t. the one person i wish i could talk to is jim comey. good luck with that, mccabe. this is the guy just five. there's a sequence of events rosenstein offers to wear a wire to cyclical pattern record the president and evoke the 20th
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of the mimic all of which is true but by the end of the mueller investigation he is a new person. he has survived. there were two occasions with the justice department was drafting press releases a trump was going to fire him. he goes to the white house and meets along alone with trump as out, his job is intact. as estimates a mueller report is delivered, he and the new attorney general bar russian the stage that trump has been exonerated. that there is no crime, no obstruction of justice case to be made. this is not what the mueller report said. mueller put a limited effect as you probably know it's a mueller report was far more damning than anything that bar and rosenstein was willing to say. this is a classic example i believe of well-intentioned bureaucrats who get into the trump orbit, who are drawn into this web of falsehoods, of irresponsible if not illegal behavior, and then asked to protect the the president, ande
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present again leverage being a senior, is rosenstein lied about the wire in in the 20 for the c him trump had leverage over him and could fire him whenever he wanted. finally i just want to say to address the issue of the deep state. trump has again just this week accused the whistleblower of being part of the deep state, a people without the whistleblower being part of the deep state of people in the white house who told the whistleblower was happening in being part of the deep state. not only part of the deep state, i could read the end of this book because you say the same thing he's already said many times before, they are part of the deep state and they are traitors and has a set explicitly but he has implied that the punishment for traitors should be as it has been sometimes in the past the death penalty. i want to say this about the deep state. its origins is from the middle east. turkey, egypt, where entrenched military industrial bureaucratic complexes from time to time would step in and overthrow
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sometimes the elected leader, more often a dictator who was running the country in order to preserve their own powers and privileges. in the united states the deep state concept has been more recently used in another variation on the military-industrial complex, the deep state was traditionally considered to be primarily people on wall street, the big banks, goldman sachs, the lobbyists in washington, the large corporations, the big technology companies which we owe enormous influence. that's that was translated in the united states context. trump has to weaponized the concept to apply to the federal bureaucracy and specifically the fbi and the justice department in the intelligence communities. i never thought i would see the day where a republican president turned on the law enforcement communities and granted them along with the journalists like me as enemy of the people but that is what is happened.
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comey said something very important and profound to me which i i quote in the book, tt is he never heard the phrase the state until trump started using it but if what he means is a man and women of the fbi and the justice department who have devoted their lives to serving the american people who have taken an oath of allegiance to uphold the united states constitution and who do not work for the president of the united states and specifically this president, then thank god we have a deep state. these are important checks on the powers of the executive branch. we are a nation of checks and balances and one of those checks are bureaucrats are appointed people, career civil servants. doesn't matter whether the republicans or democrats. everyone has a political view but their duty is uphold the law, support the constitution answer the people of the united states. when you have whistleblower coming forward, when you have a james comey standing up to the
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president, then you have the essence of what the constitutional system calls upon them to do. so i think the deep state in this context is something we can all sleep easier knowing is in place and i would say good for them. >> a reminder you can watch all of our programs in their entirety at booktv.org. next, national security analyst peter bergen looks at how military officials have fared in the trump administration in his book "trump and his generals," and with president trump handles ongoing military operations. >> go back to the surgeon 2007. it's a fascinating story about a outside advisors can make a difference. there was a debate with the national security council but what to do in iraq, and the people who favored the surge, for instance, brett mcgurk would show up later in the story and steve hadley to some degree. basically told trump you got to
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have surge and moved to account surrogacy strategy. it was not the person is a lot of this influence. that i think was one of the reasons we had the surgeon counterinsurgency strategy with david petraeus in charge in iraq. he was able to go into the oval office and say, the context here is december 2018 when trump announces unilaterally pulling out of scenery which suppress everybody in his own cabinet and all our allies. he rolls out a map and says -- >> has to be an index card. >> seventy page paper, , an indx card and said some suggested tweets. >> that's a lot shorter than the rethinks. >> he should wear the oil fields
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are in syria and how iran would control them if we just pulled out. keen said trump was leaked if you're giving him new information. if you're giving the same old arguments you'll just tune you out. that was persuasive. the thing about trump is his he is consistently inconsistent. december 2018 let's bola, they decide to stay, then three months later we will pull out, no, let's stay. this consistent inconsistency might be helpful in some realistic about less helpful if you are conducting foreign policy if your the present. when testing the book which is troup has been very lucky. if you go back to fdr, every president since fdr and before has had some major foreign policy crisis, the rights of the nazis or the return of the iron curtain going down in europe, saddam invading kuwait, clinton
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had to back of our embassies blown up and the uss cole blown up. trump hasn't had this kind of crises. the interesting question is how would he react? based on his past behavior i would say what we know about it, that doesn't mean it is a totally accurate predictor, but he has been somewhat discriminatory and use of american power, military power. but he hasn't had a major foreign policy crisis. >> impulses. >> impulsive. i think the consistent inconsistency is not helpful to our allies or our enemies. i think her enemies want to know what our red lines are. >> alis want to know we are with them when it matters and he's made it clear they can't count on him. >> this is such great scene in the book -- a great scene in the
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book angela merkel come for the first under washington and to meet trump, and trump is instance the germans always been 1% of the gdp on defense when the spanish agreement every country should spend 2% in data, 2% of all by 2024. the staff did a print invoice which trump is in store. don't you know this is a real? the germans don't over $600 billion. this is not the way data words but trump either willfully misunderstand or misunderstand or whatever but allies ripping us off as a great theme of his. he took out a full-page ad saying the japanese are ripping us off and free riding on his and the saudis are ripping off and need to pay down our federal debt which at the time zone $200 billion, but so it's kind
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of an obsession with them that allies, our friends are ripping us off and her enemies in some way you to be embraced. this is of course ultimately one of the things that did in the general is a didn't share this view at all. if you look at h. r. mcmaster speak at the munich security conference will ask a question about just indicted 12 russian military officers or involved in sabotaging the presidential election in 2016, mcmaster said something like we haven't been shown indisputable truth. trump tweeted this is wrong. james mattis did a speech at the reagan library in california a few months before he resigned and city can't trust putin. they do have a kind of -- they have view of the world which trump doesn't share. i opened the book with his
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amazing meeting in the pentagon with the pentagon open a ticket making 433, and so it's a most security conference room in the pentagon. this super fdr and marshall plan in world war ii. the reason i opened this book is the most important meeting of the presidency. trump doesn't know much about what we're doing in the world obviously, and why do with troops both around the world? what are our trade agreements? what our nuclear weapons posturings? where are our aircraft carriers? the idea was to give them a lay down of what the world looks like, and jim mattis and rex tillerson present, , so did gary cohn about a trade agreements. it was basically presenting it an effort to persuade trump at the international order that the united states had largely created and largely worked in our favor since world war ii,
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this is the world of both republicans and democrats had kind of greed made sense. steve bannon was a backbencher then and trump's chief strategist have a difficult which were to show trump out overextend and overcommit we were and how this international place order actually worked against us. the meeting did not go well for the globalist. trump basically just a bunch of swear words i can use on c-span, and started shouting and saying we're getting screwed by our allies and the chinese deficit really mean something. why do we continue never winning wars? general dunford was sitting there anyway the meeting was regarded as being a total fiasco. steve bannon said to jared kushner and reince priebus and the chief of staff this was
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lincoln and his generals. by that he meant obviously this is a horrible comparison but lincoln during the civil win the war war was nothing one, he fired various generals. bannon said trump is linked unremarkable what the presidency is going to be about and then went back to the white house spin is the old ineffectual ways of doing business. >> yes. i mean, trump, i talked people in the national council what is trump like in these meetings? why are we doing this? cancel males pay? what does this mean for the american people? what are we here like in afghanistan, what a real 17 years later? these are not unreasonable questions, and, of course, we live in part of the swap and we sometimes don't consider them as
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-- there's a lot of consensus amongst republicans and democrats on the national security site i think about -- the fact is asking questions is not bad, but if the answer is and always our allies ripping us off or it makes -- one think i don't send book but it been thinking about is trump has got a conflated specific presidents with endless wars. >> our look at recent books on president trump continues with "washington post" paralytic and philip rucker whose book "a very stable genius" was released in january. at the commonwealth club in san francisco the taxahaw president trump argued for the firing of james comey and the turnover rate of white house staffers. >> we really careful in how we wrote about different sources, how people reacted in the room just because we understand how somebody reacted and the stink about the way the president was bowling them or mistreating them doesn't mean there were necessarily director sources for
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this book. we talked a lot of people were briefed about things at the time who were familiar with the some of the principles fought. cheryl and i wanted most important things we did in reporting this book was protected people were talking to us. they took a great risk to tell us what really happened behind the scenes, to tell us what is the president said to show us how it was so much worse than when you in real time. they did so because they trusted us that we would protect them. we tried to do that with the book and that's where being a little vague. >> i know better. >> its most important thing we do as douglas. >> trump is not a fan of the book laugh expert you mr. goodlatte a call does third-rate reporters which is better than fourth rate reporters. [laughing] he also called us stone cold lose from the amazon wp. stone cold losers is a good one. >> if you guys want to anything music were looking for stone cold loser theme music.
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[laughing] >> and audio version of the book, maybe a musical? the next hamilton. the book is very tough on trump. i feel like very matter-of-fact the shortcomings can you guys from as you are objective journals 12 share the truth with the public. you also don't bully punches when it comes to calling things as you see them in terms of what you've witnessed as washington reporters prior to this one one example of many is talking about his speech deputy attorney general rod rosenstein's giving to the dea and you guys right he spoke with the rule of law come not from the principles the promise of partially, capital, transparency and basic fairness which trump was undermining daily. talk about my count the calculation of that pretty i think blunt statement in terms
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of the umbrella of objectivity because there's often a misunderstanding that objectivity is just letting each site have their say and not the call. >> keep in mind that moment, i'm really to ledge of that moment out because a lot of you been interviewed a lot and know it has singled that journalists -- props. that moment is a senior which rod rosenstein is deputy attorney general in the justice department, is personally, his reputation of three decades hangs in the balance. he has written a memo that is being cited by the present as the reason to fire jim comey, and he doesn't believe that he actually at least to the sourcee that we spoke to come he does not believe that he argued for firing jim comey and he doesn't believe this memo. it is all served up as he served justification. peoples thinking he's a tool of
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the president and the question whether their old friend and prosecutor is i kiss up essentially. so in this moment he's giving this speech is a really vulnerable time for him. he's really emotional. the reason we chose those words was because donald trump had by this point called the justice department trump justice department. he had threatened sessions, jeff sessions, the attorney general, multiple times and were rated him for recusing himself from that investigation got argued he should on which is himself which we like ethically impossible. you can't say either conflict and it's a guess what, i don't. all of these ways in which is breaking this norm. two things come together. rod rosenstein being like oh, my gosh i care about the rule of law, i look like question mark, and the president, very much not caring about that -- looking
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like a. [shouting] >> carol asked my impressions and the thought the two top lines were, one, just how much trump mood swings seem to really sort of encompass touch of the way the white house operates the really the way our government has been operating under him. and then this undermining of intelligence the security apparatus by want to get into that first part which is you think -- he is been incredibly abusive even people are long time now is close with him. it seems like the kids as of and calls ivanka church seem to be come all the people who escaped that. i did only ones? >> pretty much. this is not a new discovery about donald trump. we've known for some time he's abusive to a fault and that's a loyalty the goes one way. he expects loyalty from the people who work for them but
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does that give in return. what carol and and i found in e supporting is that deep use the management style was so much worse than when you in real-time. he would call kirstjen nielsen his ticket of homeland security at 5 a.m. to bark orders at a prick he would call late at night after watching lou dobbs on fox news to say he had a great idea for the border, good do it. then call at five in the next morning to anyone it had been done. she had to tell them, people are asleep. the staff are sleeping right now. it was just, he would you rate his death the way you handle rex tillerson the secretary of state at the end when he fired him while tell us it was on a diplomatic mission to africa, which was to clean up the relationship with african countries because trump had called them s-hole nations. there's just a lot of these episodes in the book the paint a portrait of what he's like as a manager in ways like leading the government. it's not us being hard on him our critical of him are taking a
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side. we're just telling you what happened behind the scenes and a lot of readers certainly draw conclusions about that. >> one of the treats i got from someone who is pretty liberal is like how did you mention make me feel bad for rex tillerson? [laughing] added you. i do think a lot of people who might disagree with the policies of this administration will feel some sympathy or empathy for even some of the most hard-line jeff sessions, hairston nielsen. you guys right at one point nielsen to stand with trump and besides this executive order to tried in the separation of children of the border. at the same time is administration was circulating and completely different io and what she thought was being signed. >> executive order. >> like why? who would do that? >> there are two really good points that come to mind from your question about the two good questions in the think you just said.
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i find it really interesting about this presidency. something we learned it an eye-opening way, like even we would been there from day one was so taken aback by this but these grown-ups that were in the room so to speak at the beginning, do not agree with them logically or philosophically, you may think their personally style isn't so great. rex tillerson was reviled in many parts of the state department for wanting to cut the bureaucracy and the organized nothing very approachable. but he and john kelly first the sect of homeland security been his chief of staff, defense secretary jim mattis, these are people who kept telling the president you don't want to do this, let me tell you why. you don't want to do this, and here's a national skid implications if you do this. the president in the abusive management style you highlight drove those people out of the room. the result was now he's increasing surrounded by people
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who view their mission as telling the president yes, , hee we are in an impeachment phase of his administration, not many people give her as quickly as he did, and those, many people ask me how in the world did these people serve donald trump? well, they had a conservative ideology, a philosophy they hoped to serve this agenda of the help he would guide the novice donald trump. what they found that was they just got a lion roar interface every day and many of them either were driven out or left. >> we are looking at books that amendment about the trump administration since 2016. k. t. mcfarland detailed her time in trump administration's national security council in this segment should talk so what drives the president. >> at the beginning of the administration one of the things i did as deputy national advisor was to take a review, american foreign policy in the first couple of weeks.
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where are we now? it's like what's the status report? one of the things that was pretty good was the russians had been cheating for years on this class of weapon recalled intermediary weapons. it was pretty clear the chinese were developing them and they were not part of any deal. my advice was let's get to where we need to get to and then let's call a spade a spade. if we cheat every importer will say we're cheating. but the russians cheat, no one calls out on it. it was right thing to do. i did learn with reagan and what i regard with trump is you have to have some chips to play in the game. you've got to leverage. where is your leverage if you don't even have that class of weapons? reagan was able to go to the soviet union and say let's cancel this, let's cancel that. we had a lot of leverage, economic and i don't leverage of the threat of a defense missile to system that they knew they couldn't build and i thought we might be able to. i think trump has gone to the
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right place for this but . it doesn't mean you never have these disagreements which had that and you negotiate them from a position of strength. >> so moving on, in the nuclear sphere to north korea, we've had this cycle and you explain this beautiful in your book, the sort of cycle of committal and noncommittal and promises entered in six with north korea since the early 1990s, were building a nuclear weapons program. what are your views on, are we going to just have to live with the idea that north korea will have nuclear weapons? >> again i would say priority. priority is china. what you do differently? we tried them republicans, democrats, everyone has tried. we hitch on the stick and then get sanctions can be economic problems picks up in the north koreans come to the negotiating table and we said rate, we will
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let off on the pressure. arguing with a two-year-old. trump has done the right thing and the review that again we had a review of american foreign policy in the beginning of the top administration in the situation room and i called it the deputies of all the agencies of government, treasure, state, defense, intelligence, military. i said okay, what are going to do about north korea? they basically had the same old policy which to me is basically do nothing. i said go back to agency. come back in about a weeks time. i want to all your ideas. think what outside the box. i i said on the one hand, and i actually in good tv style i said on this and i want you to think of maybe excepting the north koreans as a nuclear weapons state and member of the international community. on the other hand, i i want to think about reaching change and what we might do military. i said let's think about
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economic pressure, think about covert things we could do. but come back and let's shake this trick and because you probably have done a reassessment of north korea's position in the last couple of years. let's come back. i'll come back about a week later and i spent the time in between really learning, learning a lot about korea. i had early micra has been a paper on north and south korea but it was probably about a a decade before you were born. they come back and they have these ideas and there was no clear easy thing. there was a bit of economic stuff, a little bit of covert stuff, all a bit of military stuff and if you put them all together instead of thinking about that either switch that is on or off, you could have a dial and then you would start turning up the dial a pressure in all these ways you could affect the north koreans. the other part it was understanding the role china place in north korea. 75% of north koreas food, fuel, transportation phil, heating oil
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comes as a gift from china. he get the chinese to help you. with other things going on with china. i think the chinese have said nice stuff. trump is said that ricky said they tried, , maybe they couldnt do it. the other thing is trump i think, he's done this all on its own, so almost expert to skating advice from, they didn't understand as a negotiator understand that with trump and with kim jong-un it would always be personal. kim doesn't care about his people. let them start. he doesn't care about his generals. he will feed into cages of dogs. he cares only about him and his ego and maybe he cares a little bit about being a greater leader than his father or his grandfather. so trump i think a sound that thirdly, carrot stick ego and displayed to kim's eagle. he is welcomed him, , said let's go meet in singapore. very carefully chosen. i was gone for administration by then but singapore was a brilliant choice.
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singapore is most modern city world and in done in about 30 years time. that's a demonstration to came this could be you. the next anything it was in hanoi. united states thought the vietnam war and we were mortal enemies. the other example was to say him, look out this is it. america used to hate them. just like with good relations with cuba look up close we are done. i think those are carefully calibrated to show kim these are the possibilities. the other thing trumped it was,, which i thought was brilliant most people thought it was crummy but he did this trailer, like a movie trailer sort of thing. kim, this could be you. you could be the world's greatest leader. >> showing him what modernization and the modern economy could look like and what pyongyang -- >> pyongyang could be a world leader. >> sounds like how you solve a
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problem like north korea? >> i i think that was right thig to do. if you have a different relationship with china going forward with north korea might be in a different position. >> that broader point, everything is interconnected. here geopolitics, trade, assertions of sovereignty, you have domestic politics and all of these things are levers both domestically and internationally. you said about the president watch what he does, not what he says. i'm interested in your thoughts about how that has borne a, the thinks is done which you think a important for the country. let's start with what he does, not what he says. >> i was trying to figure out, everybody has been, most president have a lot of analysis what makes them tick. >> this one more than others. >> so there's a show or a a
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library but what made john f. kennedy -- trump will have a whole library of what trump tick. having worked closely with and what makes them tick is he wants to win. how about winning? he some new york real estate world where you either make money that you or your flaws. he's also in the tv world. he created the whole sean of reality television. you either had good ratings are bad grades. washington, everyone claims they all went. very few people out there for him was all about winning, how you get there or i get the good ratings come how you make the money when you sell the building. doesn't matter. it's getting to where you can win. i think trump looks at negotiating positions, trash talking opponents, looks at those as think have to do to get to the point where you win. >> i a tactic. >> is a tactic. every time he proposes a negotiation with somebody, let's say on tariffs with the chinese, the media goes nuts, the
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political establishment goes nuts, that's just absurd. trump probably thinks it's absurd but that's his opening bid. that's that what he expects to settle. to certain extent, he says a lot of strange things. so kim jong-un for example, one week he is sort of trash talk to him on twitter like my missiles are bigger than your missiles. i could decimate you in a war. the next he says jim and i are said to each other of letters. to trump come doesn't matter. he doesn't care who he humiliates. even sometimes himself. he doesn't worry about having trajectory thoughts. he doesn't worry about overbuilding himself. he just wants to win. it's been pretty effective for him. >> we conclude our look at recent books on the trump administration with turning point usa founder charlie kirk. is new book "the maga doctrine" hué city what he calls the new conservative agenda. here's a portion of his talk
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from the nixon presidential library. >> because i've been so blown away by the success of the trump presidency and to support do we count those and focus in on how he's been able to succeed but that also an equally anxious because i do want to see the republican party go back to big government management, appeasement of our enemies in those wars overseas, silly immigration policies and bowing down to china. i think that president trump has positive, positively recalibrate the republican party and support to learn from it our generation continues the successes for the better. first and foremost i wrote this book party for the recent bubbles and poorly as i was watching cable news and reading newspapers, i kept coming across these left-wing prognosticators and pundits telling me what president trump belief. i said you hate him. you hate us to unite all of us. i'm supposed to listen to you? their sing president trump is
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doing this because once to enrich his businesses president trump is doing this, no guiding philosophies and unguided missile and shooting off tweets in the limelight. i said to myself first of all i spent time with him, i spent time with the first family. i seen when he's been deliver. why is no one articulating what the doctrine of the trump presidency is? because you just don't stumble accidentally into largest ever taxed in american history come best economy in american history low-slung black unemployment, asian-american and punk energy independence, soleimani and baghdadi are dead, golan heights rec it is, i, out of the paris climate accord can find it would be able to put her enemies and defense because we produce her own oil and show. that's not an accident. you don't into that because if it was every other president would better track critical success. when those traveling the country talking to people in show, a common question is what have you
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people been doing last 20 years? it looks like this guys running circles around the conventional wisdom. that's why with out to go write the book. who did you interview? i did talk to the president and partly in the book but also went to rally people and wait hundreds of hours just to see the president speak for 30 minutes. i went to the kickoff rally in florida where people spent 200 hours outside susa nami like condition then went to minnesota people with outside negative te, i'm sure all you appreciate this and that is not normal. there is no band. it's not bon jovi, no comedian, sometimes as a comedian with the president, but he's so much funnier than the late night committees ever will be. deliver notice -- seriously. did you ever notice late-night
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comedy shows they are applauding, in the audience they're not laughing. they are not funny. it's a political talk show at 11:00 at night. i said to myself, i asked myself what is it that drives these people to wait so long at these rallies to take this off of work, to feel as if they are part of something? it hit me and goes back to something that was talked about in the federalist papers our founding fathers, which is citizen government. for the first time in many decades the people finally believe there is a vessel that listens to them and that delivers for them. the great irony of the whole thing, you would have been able to write this in a novel of people believe it is that it took us billionaire businessman who supposed to be disconnected as anyone from you to represent you in the kingdom of washington, d.c. the moment taking down the escalator he change american politics fundamentally for good pick because when you go to these rallies and talk to these people here was the consensus. i felt like i was losing my
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country, i felt like both parties were participating in it. it. i felt like the republican party talked a a good game and did nothing to fix it. and i was so sick and tired of politics as usual, i want someone with a sledgehammer of, a brooklyn brawler to go blow it all up. that's kind of special. i said it was kind of poetic. of course people say i don't like his tweets and it don't like -- i'm going to address this one time one one-time onl. here's the best way i can address it. america was drowning in the middle of the ocean under the manage decline both political parties over the last 20 years. both parties contributed to this come to be government management and adventurism abroad country is crumbling. finally in the middle of the night we are gasping for air, a rescue helicopter brings us back up and were able to breathe
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again. the first thing you says to the person is i don't like your tweet history. we are breathing again. it's completely and totally irrelevant. it's like a heart surgeon that okay fine, thank you for the triple bypass surgery picked by the way, hate your tweets but i'm glad we are breathing again. not to mention, i could make a very, i could make an argument the twitter feed sets the cadence and it's a public northstar for everything person to assume what the president is trying to accomplish in key people accountable for it. traditionally need to hold a press conference. now there's a real time standard real-time accountability measure or a going to see exactly what the the president is thinking what he's doing. i think he's hilarious. i like a politician that is outside of the cocktail parties say one thing to another thing consensus of washington, d.c. i don't care if the offense a couple people in there. i like attacking punches back twice as hard because i feel as
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if our politicians have not been fighting for country and even perfectly okay with this kind of manage decline. when he heard this i said okay, that the thesis of the trump present. here's the big picture doctrine. first and foremost when you go into the doctor agency give me the bad news first. tablet everything that's going on that is bad. president trump indus announcement that is basically was pretty brutal turkey said we are losing turkey said our borders are wide open. our trade deals are stupid. china is laughing at us. economy is anemic. obamacare is a disaster. the courts are compromised. the deep state is corrupt and this is an like the first 30 seconds. it was the first honest assessment i think a country received in a very, very long time. that's the first part of this doctrine and flossie and i will tell it straight to the american people. i'm not going to sugarcoat it. i'm not going to a one thing was the other thing. the second thing is what ideas are actually rooted in a renewal of a nation?
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to understand the historical significance what president trump has done and what he's trying to do and what is getting opposition to do, is trying to revitalize and resuscitate a country that was in the manage decline. >> all of these programs are available to watch in their entirety on our website tv.org or just type trump involved in the search box at the top of the page. >> reason of politics and prose bookstore in d.c. the new yorker correspondent reported on our russian citizens live and work under vladimir putin. here's a portion of this talk. >> i debate emerged among my friends in moscow. is a laudable to land one talent and expertise to the state to receive change on a local level only help perpetuate and adjust and inefficient system? the question was never really settled but surface time and again a referendum on the
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permissibility of compromise the repeated at regular intervals. this harnessing the resources and power of institutions you only consider malevolent to achieve something good, the joke is on them or you. although the gulags is most unhelpful metaphor for understanding putin's russia, i promise of returning to one thing learned. if you're stuck inside of unjust system, isn't cheating it a bit here and there for your own purposes entirely virtuous response? maybes are no good answers to these questions, and a possible capture any russian saying -- between two fires. the condition of being stuck in the middle of two opposing forces bigger than yourself. make it at the other side is just about the best outcome available. the more i thought and wrote about the ways people actually lived and worked in putin's russia, the more i realized was largely impossible to separate them into two camps, the oppressed and the oppressors.
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yes, they were victims and those whose resolute unyielding positions brought them great frustration and hardship, just as the with an ambiguous corrupt and sadistic use the states authority nearly to line the pockets are got off on petty cruelties. but most of the people i encountered were neither here a were stripers, nimble and resourceful, who usually set of the virtuous and thoroughly understandable motive. what fascinate me with the compromises and provocations required in bringing those initial motives to life and how over time those concessions can change a person and the very rational that motivated one's actions in the first place. >> to watch the rest of this program visit our website tv.org, use the box at the top of the page to search the title of the book, between two fires. >> next on booktv on c-span2, former director of the consumer financial protection bureau
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