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us to stop, but, that is what we need to do, we do not need to fundamentally rethink and be stronger in our statistic that it is the big things that are important instead of the little statistics, all crimes are flawed not just whether one gets committed, and, frankly that is where democrats have not led because democrats are afraid of that attack. particularly in the northeast. so, we need to be braver about that, on the partisan basis, and, quite frankly understand that we need to do what is right for more people. thank you. >> thank you, and thank you, thank you so much. [ applause ] in this next part of the variety rolling stone summit, reality television personality kim kardashian west talked about criminal justice reform with obama administration white house advisor and cnn commentator jones. this is half of an hour. >> so, let me just sit on my
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pillow. look, i am very happy, triple happy, i'm happy that we have some leadership in this room, it is extraordinary, i am happy to be here, with somebody you has emerged this year as one of the most impactful criminal justice advocates, and, i am also proud to announce, that while we are sitting here, president donald trump is in the roosevelt room, with a bunch of senators, a bunch of our friends, a bunch of tv cameras, announcing that he is going to support the first step act. which is unbelievable, we will get into all of it, talk about it, but, the journey to get
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from a president who when he was being sworn in, was talking about american courage, when he was elected, the assumption being that he was going to go on a prison building boom, to go from that, less than two years ago, to what is happening right now, where he is endorsing prison reform, citizen reform, talking about what he loves to do, that, by the way, mister dallas johnson is here, give them a round of applause. [ applause ] >> we will get into her story. but, it would have been impossible and i can say this because i have been front row for this whole process, this entire motion, of the president, at least on this issue, if not others that we care about.
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would not have been possible had it not been for kim kardashian. it would not have been possible. and, and, i want us to take the time that we have got, i want to take a little bit of time, looking at that. talking about the oval office. but, i do not think that people understand, you were almost destined in a way, to get involved in this issue, because of your father. can you talk a little bit about the fact that people do not see this, but you are the child, the daughter of a major criminal attorney who took on some of the toughest cases, fearless, bold, effective, talk a little bit about your dad and the impact of you growing up watching your dad, had on you. >> well, my father was one of
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my best friends. so, he would talk to me about everything. it was not just a father daughter relationship but a real friend. so, when he was involved in cases like the oj case, that one, was obviously, that was his best friend so it was just deeper, and nicole is my mom's best friend, so it was more than just a case that he took on, but, a lot of the meetings, were held at our home, so, we would have, you know, johnny cochran, chapman on the front row, schapiro all of the attorneys, meeting at our house. to the evidence videos and my sister would come in and wonder
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what i was doing and said to leave it alone. i was so interested in it and i would always ask my dad questions, and him being an attorney and the stories that he told us about it was more like business law at the beginning and just representing his friend and he got out of college, and it was o.j. simpson, and it only became criminal for this case for him, his friend, but i was always really fascinated by it and he would always share so many stories. when the chance came that i happened to be on my phone and happen to be looking at twitter at a certain moment of the day and saw a video that allison made,! alice had made, and the
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company had post it on their social media, and people was reposting it and it popped up on my feet. always say that alice, she found me and i felt like there has to be something that i can do, and just the power of social media is, you know, crazy and scary as it can be, and it was really beneficial and helpful in this case because i saw her face and i saw her story and i saw her children. i saw her sisters and i saw her life in a few minute video that changed my life. i just couldn't sit back and let this happen. i was at least going to try. >> i am glad that you did. that is worth a round of applause guys.[ applause ]>> you know topeka sam is here and by the way, give her a round of applause. [ applause ] . >> you will hear from her later on.
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behind the scenes and try to get the video to happen and so many miracles had to happen for the video to get happen. there are many miracles. other people would have seen the same video and had a different reaction. i mean, for instance, you quite famously, you are a crime victim. you had a very scary experience being a crime victim. you could have said, listen, you know you need to be locking up more people. could be one of those celebrity activists on the other side of this. how do you process your own expense -- experience on that side of it and yet still come back around and say we need to be doing something very different? >> i think going into alice's story, it was nonviolent and her first offense, and she is a mother and one of her children had passed away and she had lost her job.
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i mean, there was a set of circumstances that led her to make the choices that she made, and i just felt like taking myself out of being a victim myself. i've never, and i don't really have a victim mentality. i am not saying that if that's how you cope that's not appropriate. i'm just saying for me, personally, i've never taken on that. i boys try to really, genuinely learn and i feel like the way i was living my lifestyle, not that anyone should go through that, but like, i learned so much from it that i'm okay with my experience, and i do believe that it was meant to happen to me because i am a different person because of it. so i never have really >> how are you different? >> i mean, when you become a mom, you change anyway. but i think when your life is at stake over material items, all of that stuff goes out the
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door. none of it matters. just my priorities changed, they completely change. and what is important to me changed. i am a better mom because of it. the things i will teach my kids are different because of it, and what i value. even now with the fires, when everyone said we have an hour to evacuate, i said let's go, i don't need anything. i was truly put in, i had photos and everything on a hard drive. i just grabbed my hard drives, but i don't know if i would have been in a more frantic place had that not happened to be in the past. there was nothing material that i even care to take. so that changed me a lot. >> it is a good thing that it did. that you have said things that are surprising to a lot of people that you have had the experience and conversations with people who have done acts
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that involve violence and your heart is open to them as well. say something about that as well. >> yes, when i first met alice, and i thought to myself this cannot be fair that a non- violent drug offense, her first offense, she has no criminal past and her family doesn't have any criminal history. i thought, okay, maybe if i was to research other people, maybe i would look for someone again that's exactly like alice. and then i went to prison. scott took me to see i debbie and i met with these women. -- to ciw, and i did not need to have a judgmental mind going into it, but if anyone has ever taken someone's life, i don't
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think i could really stand behind this. i left there after sitting there for hours after talking to these women and said i am no different from them beside a bad decision and a poor choice. hearing those stories, it changed my life. to think obviously there are people in prison who really do deserve to be there. then there are people who have spent time where i am certain they have learned and grown and people that scott took me to lancaster, and we met with these men, and they was really open with me too, and shared really personal details, and for someone, even for someone who was with a friend and they all got into a fight, didn't even touch anyone, but was in a situation or someone was killed like at a club fight and they are spending life in prison. there so many scenarios that
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just do not make sense, and i do believe in rehabilitation. it has just opened up my mind, and so if i cannot be so just mental -- judge mental and i have changed so much, why would i want to be here and share with people that maybe help the same way that i did and that could help spread the word and just fix our system? >> well i'm glad that you are. and kim kardashian, she should not be involved with this and who does she think she is. >> here is is, i always give props to the organizations behind this and i just came here made a phone call to the president, alice is out, and that is it. it really wasn't like that. i mean i know six months of me communicating with the white house is not a long time at all, but the team that was hired before this was worked
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with alice for years. so i give props to britney barnett and to everyone that has helped us along the way. i have never claimed to do this by myself. i voice said excuse me, i know that i could walk into the white house and have the conversation, so i will be the vessel and we worked together as a team and everyone is happy and sean was with us. but it is not me, and i'm never claiming i don't want all of this props for it, it is the team together. >> i think part of what i loved pulling out of you is that you didn't make choices that other people could make and have not made. you can get as many criticisms as you get a plaza maybe it will all wash out. you have to like 120 million instagram followers. you have more instagram followers in some countries
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have people. you have a massive, massive platform and megaphone, and the fact that you've chosen to use it in the way that you are using it, is really, really extraordinary. let's talk about, you know, this was not an easy thing. alice coming out, others that we are fighting for to get out, eating the first step acts done. what goes through your mind when you decide i am going to call ivanka trump, and you have her cell phone number and maybe you have not been using it that much. but you had. been your phone, there is, and you are going to call. what is going through your mind? do you think this is going to go badly? do you think, i know i can
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convince her? talk about the moment of decision to actually use your power for good. >> i was first going to go just straight to the president and figure out how to get to him. and then everett said what you try calling -- and then a friend said why don't you try calling evocative? i thought that maybe together she would be able to have a conversation with her dad, so i call her, and she connects me with her husband jared, and he has been amazing. he has fully listened. i. was amazing -- evocative -- ivanka trump was amazing and, >> i don't mean to get into your business, but you are not a trump person. a lot of people would say that i just can't evil that to make the call. so how do you get
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over the how does that work in your mind? >> to me, i did consider the fact that i would get a lot of backlash if i went to the white house, but for me, if it is on life versus -- if it is a life versus my reputation, people talk about me all day long, like i didn't really care. what more can they say about me? seriously? like it really, when i outweighed the options of bad stories about me that would probably last a week in this day and age new cycle versus saving someone's life, that wasn't an option. i will gladly go there and take the heat. and also felt like okay, if he is going to listen to me and he is taking the meeting, maybe i
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can really get through to him and really explained to him and from meeting all of the people that i have met behind bars, i guarantee you they don't care who signs that clemency paper.[ applause ] >> so it wasn't an option for me, and what are we going to do wait four years or eight years for the person that we might like a little better, but it just wasn't even an option. >> you know, i have had the pleasure and the bazaar experience of walking into the oval office with you and sitting down across from president trump, and trying to make this case. one of the things i just wanted to say to people because i have been doing this for 25 years, and she has been doing it for 20 months, you are really good at what you do.
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>> thank you. you good -- you guys should have seen van at the oval office. i sat there and i said i cannot believe that he is saying this to the president of the united states. >> i kept it real. i mean, it's not like he will hear me on tv. >> but he listened and he was respectful, and they had a really great conversation and shared their opposing views and was super real with each other, but they was respectful and i do believe that he heard you. i mean, he just endorsed the first step back, like he heard you. >> i appreciate that. but, part of what i found in terms of just watching you and that is why brag on you a little bit because people don't see it, you cannot teach some things. real passion and real courage along with real focus
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and dedication, you cannot teach. if somebody is in that room, that room will hypnotize you. if you are in there for ego, you will forget what you went in there to talk about very easily. what i love about the way that you do what you do is that you did not take your eye off of the prize one second, and the president said something, and it is worth giving good people some credit when they do good stuff in a good way. the president got a little bit afraid of some of the things she was asking him to do. i was in there and i was doing my best and others was in there doing their best, and you found the argument and i am not going to reveal it because it is still in progress, but she was able to find the argument that calm him down and made him feel comfortable.
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it moved him an inch. >> thank you. i want to know going forward as you think about this massive platform that you have, how do you see your role going forward and you want to keep doing this and are you done and are you out. what can you expect from the rest of the people in the field from kim kardashian in the months and years to come? >> is not a one and done. i definitely saw how alice and her family's life has changed by having them back in their lives, and that is really inspired me. i have learned so much along the way. i have met so many amazing people along the way that i feel like what we did was effective and i feel like we can be so much more
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effective, especially the more i have learned. i am here and i'm going to do what i can. i am appreciative of all of the help and support that i have learned from, and the organizations that we have been working with. there is about a handful of cases that we are working on. i get so many prison letters, and i read them, and it is literally like my nighttime reading before i fall asleep and try to find cases that i am really passionate about and that i really believe in. i continue to send those to the team to vet them. we made a realistic goal of if we can do two of these year, i would feel like i am doing something. now it is like five at a time. >> just got i am on stage with kim kardashian.
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you just left the white house also. >> we watched you on television. the president announced his support for prism and sentencing reform in the first step back. >> a round of applause for jessica jackson. [ applause ] >> i am going to let you go. i am going to put the microphone up to the phone one more time and can you explain how you feel right now being one of the main people going into the trump white house and being beat up and called a sellout and to be standing there with him and announced that 100,000 people will make their way home sooner. how does it feel to be one step closer to victory? >> i'm so proud to have been there and part of an incredible team and an incredible act by advocates besides their politics, they have and show
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interest and have real courage just because they believe that nobody should sit in prison waiting while our government place political gains. >> well said. and -- >> it is just any meat that we might get this done. [ applause ] >> very cool. [ applause ] >> my last question for you is, you are a mom, and i think a lot of times people still see you as that young socialite hanging out with paris hilton
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and that kind of stuff. you are a mom of three kids of african descent. you have three black kids. as you think about your children growing up, as you think about how many kids of color are getting caught up in the system, does it ever impact you or give you extra motivation as a mom as you deal with this topic? i have never heard you talk about it as a mom of three kids that have a black dad. in the hood, we call them like kids and in the suburbs, they are mixed. how does that impact you? i definitely think about it all the time, and especially if you grow up i think with too much privilege, then it can be a
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totally different set of problems. i was very fortunate to grow up in beverly hills. i would say 90%, maybe 75% or even 80% of the kids that i grew up around just from what they saw and who their parents was and what they was given growing up have ended up dead our own drugs or overdosed with no motivation to really get out there and work. i think that i see things differently. i don't want them to get caught up in the system for other reasons. it is definitely something that my husband and i talk about all the time. i got pulled over and my daughter was in the backseat and was like what is going on? she was freaked out. you are telling me about the
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stuff you are working on. a story he was working on and he was telling me about getting pulled over and what that would be like, and i said to my daughter, i called my husband and i was like, we are really going to have these conversations when our kids are old enough and they are driving and they are out. i don't even know how to fully communicate to them how they should be and what they need to know, and that will have to be a big conversation. it does motivate me. i definitely don't want to see my kids in the system. a lot of the stories i have heard from people that have participated in a lot of violent crimes, so much of it has to do with how they was raised and what they was exposed to and what they know growing up. i would just never want my kids to be in that position. i haven't thought about it, but
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you can have too little privilege or too much privilege, and wind up making bad decisions. i had really thought about that. you mentioned your husband. you guys have different politics. sitting i feel like he is very misunderstood and he is just the worst communicator. [ laughter ] . >> when we talk about it, we have very similar politics. he is very nonpolitical actually. he just happens to like donald trump's personality, but doesn't know about the politics. so, i have educated him recently.[ laughter ][ applause ]i think it really gets misconstrued and he will always
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say he was really with him before and he is the same person and friendly with him now. i could also coexist with someone and still have different political views. my mom and my stepdad did that. it is fine to be different and have your own view. i think what my husband fights for, and again, he is not the best communicator in explaining it, but what he fights for is the right to like what he wants to light, even if it is different from what you like.[ applause ]. >> he never said i know what is going on with immigration and i know this and that. if he really knew, he would feel very compassionate about it. he has never said that he supports that. i know it is very confusing because when you see someone wearing a red hat, you would that he is aborting that, but he is just fighting for free thought and for the freedom to like a person even if it is not
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the popular decision. >> i have said it to you before and i will say to you again, i love the way you love your husband. i do. [ laughter ] >> i am going to get you later. do you know what i mean? you love this man. >> yeah. >> you are trying to be a kanye translator. >> he does need a translator for real. i am around him all the time and so i know what he talks about at home. i said you just basely said the opposite of what you just showed. sometimes i wanted to have his own journey, and i can be really, well, i could have
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easily been on social media and corrected him, and i also do believe in people having their own journey and i believe and i know it is hard, so i know that one day what he is trying to say it will come out. it has taken a long so i'm jumping in and helping him out. i know his heart, and i never stressed too much. >> tell me what you love him so much -- tell me why you love him so much. [ laughter ]. >> as much is i would not agree with something, i do respect the fact that he is always who he is no matter if it is popular and no matter if it is the cool thing to do. he is always himself. that is something that being in the business, and i look back at all of the products i would endorse, cupcakes and shoes i would never were and all of the stuff that wasn't me, and i would do it for the check.
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i am not like that anymore because of him. he has really show me what to do and what i believe in. i respect that of him as a person, even if i am like, what is he saying? i might inside just want to be his translator all the time, but i do respect that he has his own path, and he is his own person, and he has his own opinions. >> listen, i respect you. give a round of applause. [ applause ] >> thank you for having me. if you're somebody in your life does not sell like that, enough said. i respect you, and i think people increasingly who are in the front line art respecting you. you are really an amazing team player. you love to be a part of the collective and you never say i
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have got this and i know this and this is my thing. it is always what you guys need and how can i be helpful. you are setting an example for other folks in your industry at your level, of how to be involved and really be a blessing to this movement and we thank you very much kim kardashian. >> thank you. thank you for having me. [ applause ] >> kim kardashian. i get a photo? i need to get my boots right, hold on. all right. thank you. we will now take a short break and returned with storytelling, the power of artists and entertainers. >> the c-span washta journal is live everyday with news and
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policies that impact you. coming up wednesday morning, indiana republican congressman jim banks will be a -- will be with us to talk about his recent trip to afghanistan. we will then discuss the asylum process. also, this congressman will discuss legislation to strengthen democracy. be sure to watch the c-span washta journal live it 7:00 a.m. eastern wednesday morning and join the discussion. >> sunday own question and answer, we visit the washington library at mount vernon for the 2018 founding debate program. we will be discussing what it means to be american. >> one nation indivisible was in a sense we are all together, and that is somehow elemental to what it means to be an american. >> what it means to america to
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