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tv   Washington Ideas Forum Day 1 Morning Session  CSPAN  January 4, 2015 4:10pm-4:26pm EST

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there are some famous portrait painters who have done some of these. others are simply less known as portrait painters, perhaps his artist. he also has a silver inkstand. i have a particular fondness for that inkstand because it had to be repaired. the clerk and i had to come up with some coin silver. we took some old, worn down silver coins, which was close to the silver that was used. every time i see a portrait or a picture or see that inkstand, i feel a nice connection to it. it is in the portrait.
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>> thank you very much. >> on tomorrow's washington journal, the legislative priorities for the new congress. then, a discussion on potential threats to the u.s. homeland. and, afghanistan reconstruction. washington journal is live at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. >> monday night on the communicators, technology reporters review the big issues of 2014 and the key communications and technology issues facing the new year. the washington norse, the national journal, politico. >> that chairman is not
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expected to unveil his proposal until february pretty gives congress an opening. what will the chairman do in response to that. is i going to force them to move more quickly? will it put him in a position where he will have to do some horsetrading a negotiation with republicans? that is not clear yet. that is something we will be watching. >> i'm expecting they will come out with final roles on net neutrality. obama came out in support of reclassifying broadband services under title ii, which is make it like the utility. the broadband industry groups are opposed to this. there is a lot of pressure on chairman wheeler to go that route good we will see in the first few months what happens there, and even wants the rules are on the books, it's not necessarily over. there will be lawsuits, almost certainly, from the industry groups, verizon, comcast
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especially if chairman wheeler does what the president wants. >> we are also talking about net neutrality against the communications effort. now that the republicans controlled the senate, we will see it there too. the house and said they want get into paper starting in january. we could see something on that soon. that is a tool for congressional republicans to use to push back on net to trout that they think are overreach. >> monday night at 8:00 eastern on the communicators on c-span2. >> now, conversations from the 2014 washington ideas formed. we begin with david crane, who discusses energy conservation, natural gas production, and the impact of fracking on the environment. this is about 15 minutes.
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>> i'm going to dive right into the questions. you have said the energy industry should emulate the practices of other industries in the world. an important difference between that industry and the energy industry is that people don't notice, let alone care, about energy and climate change until energy prices or high or they go well together. how do you make people care about climate change and energy like they do about their iphones. >> you hurt my feelings when you said people don't care. i worked my whole career on it. it is true. if you think about energy and the energy sector i come from, which is the electricity sector, there really is nothing that is more fundamental to modern life and yet the population is more indifferent to. maybe water.
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had you make people aware. there is one statistic i saw that said the average american spends six minutes a year thinking about their energy decisions. >> compared to some who checked their phone 60 times a day. >> i heard that statistics statistic. we don't have that level of engagement in the energy sector. part of it is the nature of the industry. it has been a command-and-control industry. the consumer has no choice, particularly on the electricity side. your provider is given a monopoly and whatever geographic area. that is all changing. we need to make people more aware. there are a series of products coming along that are at least
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somewhat more interesting, maybe not iphones, but i find that people are more interested in the prospects of making a lot of their own electricity was solar power. people have talked about solar power since the 60's. now the price point is where it needs to be. the technology exists. the key to get it out of that 15% of the population that it falls into the innovator, early adopter, and into the 70% of the population. then we would be on our way. >> you spend a lot of your time talking about the importance of shifting to clean, renewable energy. climate change is somewhat of an
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anomaly in the energy industry. you have a specific target in mind looking out into the future that you want to get that 5% number up to and finally decrease fossil feels? if you don't have a goal, do want to make one up right here? >> one of the things it is not part of the job description is how you mitigate the risk of your company from disruption. there are a lot of theories about disruptive change. we have seen it in every industry. it is shocking. when i was young the telecom industry was often referred to in the same breath as the electric industry. these are the two utilities in the united states. the telecom gets broken up, and now it's hot and sexy.
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we are still working her way out of the primordial ooze. and so, i don't have a specific target. i would sam not hostile to fossil fuel. one of the key technologies that has to work for climate change, and this is classic is post-combustion carbon capture technology. clearly it was not designed by marketing person. [laughter] >> the same person who came up with the word fracking. >> df word. the f word. it is twice as carbon intensive as natural gas. the average age of a coal plant is 40 years. that means the coal plants were built in the 1970's.
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they thought nuclear power would be so cheap that you would not need coal plants. we see how well good people predict the future. the average age of a coal plant in china's less than 10 years old and will certainly be operating in 2050. globally we will be using coal. we will be using natural gas pit we need to get the carbon out of it. that is one of the areas where you have doe support in taxes. >> going back to that goal. the obama administration has a goal with these new rules to cut 30% of the carbon based on 2005 levels by 2030. given how important clean energy is to your company, have you thought about such a goal?
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>> we have thought about creating goals for the company. i think the thing that is a little bit unnerving about the obama administration's 2030 goal is -- where will we need to be by 2050, because that seems to be the year that the world scientists focus on. 2030 is a little bit of a convenient year to say, look how great we are, because for now until 2030, you naturally get this carbon reduction. the reason you pick 2030 instead of 2050 is that between 2050, if we stay on course, natural gas will dislodge nuclear. every nuclear plant in the country will retire between 2030 -2050, because we have not built a new nuclear plant in this
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country since 1979. when gas displaces coal, you reduce your carbon reduction. we have to look at the path, the glide path down from 2030 22050. >>to 2050. >> is a lot of talk about natural gas being good for the climate. as you say, the emission reductions are coming naturally. you think that on a net benefit basis going out 100 years that will not be good for efforts? >> if handled properly, natural gas is deftly on the positive side. first of all, you have to create responsible fracking.
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from a climate change perspective, that means making sure you're getting rid of the methane. >> you think it's being done safely now? >> 90% of the companies that are fracking, they tend to do it in a responsible way, but they're doing it because no one is requiring them to do it. whether you are talking water table or fugitive methane, there are a lot of mom-and-pop shops that don't exercise the same level of control. i would support responsible fracking. the key is to make sure that the world does not get hooked on natural gas. i have seen people study this. if we go to the natural gas world by 2050, you're talking about a 40 degrees centigrade increase, which is not anything any of us want to see.
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the key is to use natural gas is a bridge feel. >> the oil and natural gas boom has elongated that short bridge to a long road. do you think that oil and natural gas can help our efforts? >> one of the things that i feel , energy is the one infrastructure, the critical infrastructure in the united states that for whatever reason has always been in private hands, as opposed to the public sector hands. what i love about fracking, if i think about it. we would all like to have a framework established by washington for what does united states want to be. two of our biggest markets are california and texas. they have a very different view on climate change and the world. both of them have a definitive view on where they want to be his estate. we can respond to what you want.
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what i like about where oil and gas is happening in the united states is that if you are talking five years ago in talking about the idea that american energy independence you would've been delusional. people what said that it's not possible. domestic oil production has increased from 4 million barrels a day to 8 million barrels a day good natural gas, now we are in a border, when we were building importation facilities five years ago. from a political perspective, i think that if public policy will support climate change, it will be good in terms of achieving independence and grading jobs, because all those things will happen, but the oil and gas industry, the solar and wind industry, they have to use the thinking it is a zero-sum game and start working together to -- natural gas is what enables solar power.
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43 million american homes are tied to the natural gas system. the solar power on your roof does not work at night. if you had a divisive your basement that could turn natural gas and electricity, plus the solar power new roof, you would be set. >> maybe you should start that? how important are public policy? >> i would say that people don't get a sense of how big the industry industry is. at the start of phase, government support to get over that the valley of death is important on an


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