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general, people who have rich, well-educated, affluent parents do better and have better tuns than poor people and we need to try to rectify that. one of the ways to d that is to fix the school system but there are other ways. we have less social mobility than we used to. one of the reasons for that is government -- >> going to break away from this, live to the floor of the house a couple of votes, live coverage on c-span. and pass h.r. 676, h.r. 328, and agreeing to the speaker's approval of the journal if feed needed. the first electric -- if needed. the first electronic vote will be conducted as a 15-minute vote. pursuant to clalls 9 of rule 20, remaining electronic votes will be conducted as five-minute votes. pursuant to clause 8 of rule 20, the unfinished business is the vote on the motion of the gentleman from new york, mr. engel, to suspend the rules and pass h.r. 676, on which the yeas
and nays are ordered. the clerk will report the title. the clerk: h.r. 676. a bill to reiterate the support of the congress of the united states for the north atlantic treaty organization and for other purposes. the speaker pro tempore: the question is, will the house suspend the rules and pass the bill. members will record their votes by electronic device. this is a 15-minute vote. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.]
the unfinished business is the vote on the motion of the gentleman from new york, mr. engel, to suspend the rules and pass h.r. 328, on which the yeas and nays are ordered. the clerk will report the title. the clerk: h.r. 328. a bill to require the secretary of state to design and establish a vulnerability disclosure process, v.d.p., to improve cybersecurity and a program to identify and report vulnerabilities of internet technology of the department of state and for other purposes. the speaker pro tempore: the question is, will the house suspend the rules and pass the bill. members will record their votes by electronic device. this is a five-minute vote. five-minute vote, members. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.]
pursuant to clause 8 of rule 20, the unfinished business is the question agreeing to the speaker's approval -- on agreeing to the speaker's approval of the journal which the chair will put de novo. the question is on agreeing to the speaker's approval of the journal. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. in the opinion of the chair, the ayes have it. and the journal stands approved. for what purpose does the gentleman from new york seek recognition? >> mr. speaker, i send to the desk a privileged report from the committee on rules for
filing under the rule. the speaker pro tempore: the clerk will report the title. the clerk: report to accompany house resolution 61. resolution providing for consideration of the bill, h.r. 648, making appropriations for the fiscal year ending september 30, 2019, and for other purposes. providing for consideration of the joint resolution, house joint resolution 31, making further continuing appropriations for the department of homeland security, for fiscal year 2019, and for other purposes. providing for consideration of motions to suspend the rules and waiving a requirement of clause 6-a of rule 13 wra with respect to consideration of certain -- with respect to consideration of certain resolutions reported from the committee on rules. the speaker pro tempore: referred to the house calendar nd ordered printed.
the speaker pro tempore: the chair will entertain requests for one-minute speeches. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from ohio seek recognition? >> permission to address the house for one minute and revise and stepped. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. the gentlewoman is recognized for one minute. ms. kaptur: by now you have seen the images of furnish loud
public servants lined up at food banks. this is a sight seen in northern ohio. i call attention to the misery the trump shutdown is causing for millions of americans that have to rely on food assistance, federal workers who rely on snap food assistance through the u.s. department of agriculture face uncertainty from the trump shutdown. the early distribution received last week represents the february snap allocation that some will be asked to stretch to a date not yet derled. president trump should act to protect snap benefits, reopen the federal government. f you are a furloughed federal
worker, don't hesitate to reach out to your local pamping and go to feeding america to plan for the uncertain, i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from ohio seek recognition? >> ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute and resize and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. the gentleman is recognized for one minute. >> i rise to acknowledge the 200th founding of the university of cincinnati. the university of cincinnati began as the two chartered colleges of the state of ohio and in january of 1819. they merged into the yuft we know. mr. wenstrup: it is a carnegie research university with alumni and home to top programs in the liberal arts and the sciences. in 1969, cincinnati was the first college to implement a
co-op program setting the stage for universities around the country. it is incredible to see how far this institution that is come from two small colleges to the home of the first nation's teaching hospitals and the fourth operating law school. i know the university of cincinnati will inspire those who are lucky you have enough to call her home. and i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from florida seek recognition? >> i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. the gentleman is recognized for one minute. >> i rise today to recognize and honor the knights of columbus the catholic organization dead indicatesed to charitable. some of my colleagues made
disparaging comments. i'm proud of the mission. in 2017 alone the knights of columbus rayed charitable contributions and contributed 75 million hours of service. he knights stand to help the unborn. i donated $1,000 ultrasound mngs . nd studies have shown that women have viewed that are much more likely to carry that child to term. on the roe v. wade decision let's listen to the leader, what greater legacy can a person have than to save the life of a child. mr. speaker, i yield back.
the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from georgia seek recognition? mr. carter: i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute and revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. carter: i recognize my good friend mr. roger moss who is stepping down as the savannah chish's choir. he started it in 2006 with 30 kids aiming to transform kids into leaders. now the choir is booming. it meantors hundreds of students d it has gone on through choirs throughout europe. winning praise from countless parents who have significant improvements. demeanor, creativity and much more. i thank mr. moss in the savannah community. i understand his work will continue as he is beginning a
new school. we are indeed very fortunate in savannah that roger moss has adopted his home and brought his talents. i wish you the best of luck with your new project. i yield the remapeder of my time. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from texas seek recognition? >> i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. the gentleman is recognized for ne minute. mr. olson: mr. speaker, 10 years and 17 days ago, i was given the honor of working for the people of texas 22 in washington, d.c., there are my bosses. and one of my bosses was born on january 30 of 1918. is name is al towns.
i.s lived during world war he fought during world war ii. he started as a locally private, 22 years later, he retired as an on-6, a full bird colonel. al joined nasa and helped us go to the moon in 1969. and al's first birthday party next week, i'm sure he will share pearls of wisdom like, quotes, if you want to get something done, give it to a woman. she may have burnt some toast, but she will get it done, unquote. or, the key to living to 101
years old, quote, don't think too far ahead, end quote. says, roger that, wilco. happy, happy birthday. and that's just the way it is. and i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from california seek recognition? >> permission to address the house for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. lamalfa: i rise today to express my support for national school choice week where every family should choose a school. school choice is important because it gives them autonomy and creates competition in education through which we can achieve excellence and education. there is enough evidence to suggest that competition created
y options increases and better students. it opens up balanced opportunities whether through traditional public charter schools, public magnate schools, private schools or other alternatives. that's because what may be right for one family may not be right for their neighbor's kids. national school choice week underlines the week for families to make decisions for themselves nd and need that step in their education one time. let's make the most of a child's educational opportunity and not subject to experiment. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: are there any further requests for one minute? the chair lays before the house
the following personal requests. the clerk: leaves of absence requested for mr. defazio for today and mr. kind of wisconsin for today. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. the requests are granted. under the speaker's announced policy of january 3, 2019, the gentleman from california, mr. garamendi, is recognized for 60 minutes as the designee of the majority leader. mr. garamendi: hello, mr. speaker. it's time for us to once again ponder the inevitable, that the government of the united states is important in this world, that the strongest country in the entire world ought to have the strongest operating government. that all across this globe,
people once looked to america as the symbol of leadership, as the symbol of opportunity, as the country where things got done. and a government that functioned, sort of functioned. we have had our ups and downs, but the united states has been always a symbol that other countries would point to and say its is a democracy and has s and downs, but now 32 days into the shutdown of the government of the most important country in the world, what in the world is our president thinking? what's going on here? how did we come to this situation? before we get into all of the harm that is being done by this government shutdown, let's
understand how we got here. every january, early february, the administration, the president, puts forward his proposed budget for the coming year. and the house and the senate take that under submission and begin the process of preparing the appropriations and the laws, the changes to enact or not, enact the proposals that the president has put forth. in that submission, president billionoposed 1 -- $1.6 for board irsecurity. the house looked at it, the senate looked at it and ultimately, the senate passed an appropriation of $1.6 billion.
unfortunately, that appropriation was caught up in other debates and other arguments and the department of homeland security that was supposed to receive the $1.6 billion together with the department of interior, the e.p.a., the department of transportation, department of just ties and several other agencies, -- justice and several ther agencies, were not funded from october 1 until the following thanksgiving. passed. ional c.r. was and that $1.6 billion was part of that discussion. . . so on december 10, maybe the
11th, the senate unanimously passed another continuing resolution that had $1.6 billion in it and that continuing resolution was to go until february 8. until the next morning when that bill arrived over here in the house of representatives to be taken up and to pass to keep the overnment open until february. in the intervening 13 hours, something happened. the president changed his mind. and said, not $1.6 billion, he -- $5 billion. and in a conference at the white , he saidth the leaders , if we don't get what bewant -- what we want, i'm proud to shut down the government. i'll take the mantle.
and so that morning, on the 11th, the house of representatives amended the bill and said, nope, it's not $1.6 billion, it's $5 billion. because that's what the president wanted. and government shut down. thank you, mr. president. at the very last moment, you changed the game. not $1.6 billion, which we were prepared to accept. and keep the government open. but $5 billion. and government shut down. in the intervening days, as the debate went on, the $5 billion grew to $5.7 billion. for a border wall. now, let's understand. changes during the course of a year are common. and it's common for the administration to make a change in its budget. that's called a budget change
proposal. it comes to the congress, house and the senate, with all of the reasons. big stack of paper. all of the reasons why the change should take place. something happened. need more money for this. and a budget change proposal comes to us with all of the justification. to this day, 32 days into this shutdown, the congress has not received a formal budget change proposal. nor has the congress received any detail about where the $5.7 billion wall will be built. somewhere on the mexican -american border. that's 1,900 miles. will it be used to repair fences, will it be added in some areas? what are the reasons why it would be added? none of that has been here. so here we are, 32 days into it. and the most important government in this world is shut
down. this border wall is supposed to bring security to america. whoa, wait a minute. you're talking about security, you're talking about safety, you're talking about making the lives of america americans more secure, how do you do -- of americans more secure, how do you do that when the government is shut down? oh, the military's working, thank god. that appropriation passed. but the department of homeland security is not. except for those frontline officers. who are considered to be essential. all of the backroom operation isn't operating. the coast guard is out there on the water, in the ports. but those men and women are not being paid. 40,000 of them, a few more, not being paid. many of them cannot pay for the gas to get to their jobs.
t.s.a. is operating, but the rest of that backroom operation is not. transportation is not operating. the parks are closed. the smithsonian's closed. the kind of safety that the american public depends upon from its government is not operating. headlines a week ago about the president somehow being compromised by russia. what would be the best that putin could ever want? you go to take over a government, to shut down a government -- you go to war to take over a government, to shut down a government. you don't have to go to war to shut down the american government. you go to the president who says he's proud to shut down the american government. putin has to be incredibly happy.
that his nemesis, america, the government's shut down. we have a lot to talk about tonight. joining me tonight are some of my colleagues who will be talking about the effect of this shutdown in their area. let me welcome my colleague and dear friend for many, many years, jim costa from california. mr. costa. mr. costa: i want to thank the gentleman for yielding. congressman garamendi has demonstrated leadership over the years. both here in our nation's capital, and when we -- capitol, and when we worked together in sacramento. i commend your efforts and thank you for giving me this time. government shutdown is simply irresponsible. it is irresponsible. the american public understands that a congress debates a budget, the president submits his proposal, we go through our
committee hearing process, we make modifications, changes, you win some and you lose some. but by october 1, we are supposed to have a budget sent to the president and he is supposed to sign it into law. now, guess what. a budget is among the most important things we do as members of congress. and it's the nation's spending priorities. and it's thousands of spending priorities. and there are some things we like in the budget and there are some things that we would change . but our nation has to have a budget. just like every family has a budget. every business has a budget. and then that family -- in that family budget, the business budget, there are things you would just as soon not pay. a house payment, a car payment. but we have obligations and commitments to make, to be
responsible. and this government shutdown, this manufactured crisis orchestrated by the president in which he proudly proclaimed that he would take ownership of it, that they can call it the trump shutdown, as he said so boldly in december, is the trump shutdown. and it's simply irresponsible. and i think the american people, for good reason, regardless of your registration, is frustrated and i suspect many of them, like myself, are fed up. i went through the airport security this morning, as i did last week, as i did the week before. and i thanked those security officers with t.s.a. for doing their job. they're doing their job. and guess what, they're doing it without pay. that is disgraceful. it is just not what the shining
democracy of america is about. leader of the free world. but it doesn't stop there. there's over 53,000 t.s.a. employees around the country. 54,000 i.c.e. officers. 42,000 coast guard active duty members that are working without pay. working without pay. mr. president, i ask, how would it be if you were to suggest to your employees at your hotels and golf courses, who you have to pay twofere weeks or every month -- every two weeks or every month, that you want them to come to work, but you're not going to pay them? it's immoral and it's certainly not the american way. we don't expect people to come to work and then not pay them. and this mfed crisis, and believe -- manufactured crisis, and believe me, it is a manufactured crisis, is the real
cause for us all to be concerned about national security. i mean, the challenges we have at the border, these border patrol agents, these coast guard active duty members, are protecting our security. and we're saying, well, but you know, we don't care if you have a house payment, we don't care if you've got a car payment. we don't care if you've got other -- commitments or obligations. we expect you to come to work and protect our security. and we're not going to do anything, you know, to in fact take that into account in a way that is clearly a dereliction of our duties. and, mr. president, it's a dereliction of your duty. because you have a responsibility, just as we do, to ensure that our government is fully functioning. we have passed bills and sent them to you that would fully
fund and reopen government. last friday congressman cocks and i had an -- cox and i had an infor mags workshop at the sub-- informal workshop at the subway sandwich store in the office where my -- in the building where my office is. in the office where i work on behalf of the people of the san joaquin valley. in that 10-story office building are 1,300 i.r.s. employees. that subway sandwich store has lost over 50% of its business in the last month. the two owners, the man and the wife, i mean, they're being impacted. the store in the lobby, it's lost 70% of its business. and there's another kabab restaurant in which he's helping sometimes the employees that are still hanging around there, giving them sandwiches. but this is his business. i mean, so it's not just the direct impact of over 800,000
government employees across this country. people who work for the u usda, the united states department of agriculture, who operate the farm services agencies throughout our constituencies, our farmers, our ranchers, our dairymen, they can't go to our farm services' offices and apply for loans or other things that are important with regards to this crazy tariff war that is taking place. because, guess what, those offices are closed. but it's also the ripple effect. for businesses that have contracts with the federal government. whether it's with the united states forestry service or whether it's with, you know, other departments and agencies, they're not getting paid. but guess what, they've got employees and they've got a contract that they signed with the united states government that says they were going to get paid every month. and they have commitments to their employees. this is, mr. president, your shutdown.
32 days into it, none of us should be proud of where we are today. third world countries are looking at us and wondering, america doesn't do that. but we're looking like a third world country. countries around the world just don't shut down their government. let me close on this note. this is a phenomenon that's happened -- phenomena that's happened really in the last eight years. we had a government shutdown in the mid 1990's by president clinton and speaker gingrich. and that was not a good thing. but normally, as congressman garamendi suggested, you have budget requests, you have debate in committees, you pass segments of the budget and it comes together in an orderly process, and ultimately both the house and the senate pass that budget
and send it to the president by october 1. i think there's another principle here that we need to be very clear about to the american public. i don't care which party it is, we should not allow bad behavior to be rewarded. in this sense. if you don't like something in the budget, well, there are a lot of things i don't like in the budget. but at the end of the day, you have to have a budget. and to hold hostage a difference of opinion, and that's what's happening here, this is a manufactured crisis that the president is using to hold hostage a promise, a campaign promise he made two years ago to build this wall. by the way, wasn't mexico going to pay for the wall? mr. garamendi: i believe so. mr. costa: that's what i heard, congressman garamendi. mr. garamendi: over and over. mr. costa: i heard it not once, not twice, but more times than i care to remember. and clearly mexico's not going to pay for the wall. we so you and i know that
can, and there is bipartisan willingness, to improve border security. you and i know, because we are from california, that the majority of the drug trafficking taking place, and the other crimes that are occurring, are through what we call ports of legal entry. that sounds like a complicated technical term, but it just means it's an open border crossing between the u.s. and mexico, in which thousands of people cross every day, at many of these border crossings, and that's where the overwhelming majority of illegal trafficking is taking place. and that along the ocean. and no bill will make a difference. walls to get lt out of prison. there are tunnels that the
president was briefed on when he went down to the border last week. i don't care how you build the wall, it's not going to improve border security. and mind you, we have over 500 miles of barriers, fences on the border and some of the other porgs of the u.s. that all members may have five legislative days to revise and extend their remarks mexican border. i'm willing to improve support to provide the equipment drones and other technical devices that i.c.e. agents say will improve our border security. but what we should not be doing is holding america hostage because of a political campaign promise that was made two years ago. that's wrong. that's simply wrong. and so, congressman garamendi,
you ought to be commended for taking the leadership role in this effort and we have to do some things here that change the debate and produce a budget and don't allow groups of either party, extreme elements, to decide, i'm not going to go through the regular process and i'm going to hold the american people hostage. this is impacting our g.d.p. and you know, if the president doesn't believe us, he should ask his own counsel of economic advisers because they came out with a report last week and not only affecting our economy but our world's economy. we need to reopen the government and have a thoughtful debate and mprove our border security and
$1.2 billion we allocated, this administration has spent $-- 10% and now give him another $1.6 billion and the president -- but to use a football analogy, on december 18, when we thought we had an agreement, he decided to move the goalposts. i can't say it any plainer than you. gardepar that's what he did. went into the negotiations. the agreement had been reached and were going to move forward and the president changed his mind, demanded $5 billion, i'll shut the government down. you said some things that are very interesting. you went back to the gingrich shutdown and that reminded me at
that time, i was at the department of interior and there was nobody in the department of interior except three of us that were working. and then there was the ted cruz shutdown. and then there were two other shutdowns dealing with the fiscal cliffs. in every case, gingrich, ted cruz, other leadership and now the president have used the american government as a hostage to get something that they wanted. senator cruz wanted the elimination -- wanted to kill the affordable care act. i don't call -- i think gingrich was over some tax issues or sore financial issues, fiscal issues, but in every case, they used the government as the hostage. and now over in the senate, the senate leader, senator mcconnell, is he hobbling
together a piece of legislation that would affect the rest of the americans. let me show you some things. >> glad you brought some information. mr. garamendi: he is taking some he legislation that we passed last week, the supplemental disaster relief act to provide additional money, and this is paradise, california, where some 18,000 homes were destroyed and 80,000 people were killed. and the president was there with our new governor. the supplemental disaster program is over in the senate. and senator mcconnell is going to take that bill and not just hold paradise, california, but
puerto rico, -- you remember the hurricane in puerto rico. this is becoming a habit of dropping these things. mr. costa: i was in puerto rico last weekend and the recovery funding is a serious matter and it is simply wrong. it's wrong. and immoral for us to do this. mr. garamendi: he intends toll hold puerto rico hostage along with south carolina and houston, texas and southern california, the ventura area, which incurred a natural disaster and the dam breaking in puerto rico. in the case of paradise, karl, the wildfire that wiped out the area of 30,000 people. now being held hostage for the border wall. not only do you have the u.s.
government hostage and the american economy and 800,000 employees not getting paid and now using the supplemental disaster recovery that would go to recover these communities that were wiped out now being held hostage. you said there is something being immoral about this. to use people's lives, their abilt to recover, their ability to sustain their family, to get a paycheck to work for the american government, to be held hostage, somehow is terribly wrong. and that's what the president is doing. and that's what senator mcconnell wants to do with this new bill that he wants to introduce that would hold a disaster recovery program hostage for a $5.7 billion
border wall on the border undwiped. something is terribly, ter apply wrong here. there is an alternative. we passed legislation beginning on january 3, the first day of the new congress and every day thereafter, i think that's about eight days that we passed legislation to open the government. that is the new democratic majority has done that. all of those bills are on the senate side. there is a clean bill that is also for discussion on the senate side this week. it is the bill that we passed last week. it would fund the government at the appropriation level that the senate agreed to, $1.6 billion for border security and all of the other programs, all worked out in a great compromise. that bill passed the house and
sitting over in the senate. that would be one exception to full funding for the remainder of this year until september 31. and that is the department of homeland security, which controls the border. that would be ar temporary continuing resolution until february -- i think it's the 28 of february. mr. costa: i think the end of february. debate the appropriate border security on a committee process in the house and the senate, working together with this administration, the president, it would be give-and-take and thrb there would be compromises and if we got back to doing the people's businesses without taking hostages, because it is simply wrong and should not let the american people think we have lost sight of what the
regular order is of the united states congress to pass appropriation bills and to ultimately pass a budget. and that's where this incredible egregious activity is taking place in recent years. and i think we know that at some point, there is going to be a series of compromises and reopen government. why don't we do it sooner than later and end the pain and anguish of people that are working, hard-working men and women without paychecks and the independent contractors who do business with the government who have employees like that subway sandwich shop in fresno, the market restaurant and let these people do what they do best, work hard and make a living and
contribute to our economy. mr. garamendi: you mentioned the subway sandwich shop, when i was back in my district, i was contacted by a small company operated by a company in davis, california that the t.s.a. would keep us all safer. they are going to go out of business. they have 13 employees. their contract is sitting -- not finished and not getting paid for the work they have done and they said we don't know how we are going to continue here. it's a good program and necessary for security at the airports. that's one example. you mentioned the farmers. i have farmers. i have universities whose contracts with the research contracts are being held up, all of that is being held up.
the reality is, the most important government of the world is not operating. let me just say 25%. that's 25% of the money. it happens to be like to be 80% to 85%. mr. costa: and the ripple effect. and the national parks. let me close by underlie one comment you made earlier and as a member of the armed services committee you are one of our leaders as it relates to our national security and i'm engaged in the foreign affairs committee, when you said that no one could be happier about these series of events than the president of russia, president putin, let me underline that, because we are doing to ourselves what the soviet union and russia today have never been
able to do, which is undermine our security and undermine nato security and undermine the security of the free world. and that's how serious this is. this manufactured crisis has now raised to such a level that we are doing to ourselves that our adverse areas have never been able to do to us through decades of republican and dem chiropractic presidents and congresses which at the waters' edge we all bind together because it's america's security. and right now, i mean, they must be -- i don't know how they celebrate in moscow, but they must be pleased this evening as we look at the 32 days of this government shutdown. thank you for allowing me to use your time. mr. garamendi: thank you for
joining me and your experience. and the final words that you have said ring in my ears and i'm sure they ring in the ears of people of this world and looking at the united states and saying, what's going on here. thank you very much, mr. costa. there is much, much more to say. i'm going to go things quickly here. there are 800,000 government employees across the nation. in california there are 37,000 542 that are not being paid but still being paid. they are furloughed and wondering how they are going to meet their mortgages, how they are going to meet their bills. we also know that this shutdown
is approaching the one-month mark. and very, very soon, if we don't act and get this government back and working, there are 45 million people in the united states who will lose their snap benefits. these are the food stamps. in other words, their ability to have food on their tables. today a day of reckoning is coming very soon. the exact day is not exactly known but towards the end of this month, within the first few weeks of february. let's keep let's keep in mind those people who depend on food stamps.
in my district, a dam came croce to collapsing and put at risk nearly 200,000 people downstream from it. part of the disaster recovery is to shore up the levees downstream if the oraville dam. that's now being used as a hoss tam -- hostage by senate mcconnell. -- senator mcconnell. it's unconscionable what's going on here "in america." it's unnecessary. democrats have always supported border security. always supported border security. and we have supported walls along the border. miles of most 700 border fencing and walls were uilt in california, in thity wana-san diego border -- border
area. those walls have been there for nearly 30 years, maybe longer than that. but the point here is, border ecurity is more than a wall. if the president wants a wall he needs to tell us where and why. why sit more important? and upgrating the ports of entry as mr. costa talked about. when we know 80% to 90% of the drugs come through the legal ports of entry. one out of five cars is checked. four are not. the containers, the trains, the planes, the ships. all coming through legal ports of entry. but we don't have the technology to check all of them, nor do we have the operations to be able to check all of the cars, all of the plane, all of the containers. so the drugs come in. even through the post office. wouldn't it be wise if we spend
money where 80% to 90% of the drugs enter the united states? it's not in a bunch of children carrying backpacks that are bringing drug into the united states. that's not where the problem is. the problem is at the ports of entry. mr. president, you have the authority and you have the budget today, the appropriation day, to fill 3,000 positions that have remained unfilled for more than a year. positions at the ports of entry. customs and borders protection. 3,000 positions to fill. if there's such an emergency why are you not hiring? you were fwiven $1.2 billion a year ago.
o enhance the border security. less than 20% of that money has been spent. why? why? if we have a national emergency, why are you not hiring the necessary people? that are authorized. why have you not spent the money that was appropriated previously. why did you shut down the american government? for an ill-defined border wall that seems in the minds of most of us to simply be a fulfillment of a campaign pledge. what's that all about? what's going through your mind that you ignore things that we know create security. better devices to observe what's going on.
unmanned aerial vehicles to observe what's happening. sensing devices to know what's in those containers. men and women to conduct the inspections. all of those things. hy are you not doing it? why? why? mr. president. you say that unless you get your way, you're going to shut down the american government. in your own words, we'll take the mantle of the shutdown. and in so doing you created a real serious national security threat.
yes you did. you shut down the government and in doing so you have created a real, a real national security threat. mr. speaker, before i terminate this, i want to change subjects. a very, very dear friend died and i want to bring to the harris n of the house wolford. harr liss wolford jr. was born in new york city on april 9, 1926. at the age of 11, he had the opportunity to travel around the world with his grandmother in 1938. he experienced many defining events during that time. including what was going on in taly with benito mussolini and germany with hitler.
japanese aggression in shanghai and gandhi's movement in india. his passion for creating change and fighting for progress began in earnest during those years. as a civil -- as the civil rights movement began, mr. wolford became a fer feint support -- fervent supporter of reverend martin luther king, who we remembered yesterday he marched alongside dr. king in selma and during john kennedy's campaign for president, he played a key role in the effort in a move that dwal vanized the civil rights movement and helped carry president kennedy to the white house a year later. he served as president kennedy's special assistant for civil rights and served as head of two olleges.
he helped launch the peace corps which my wife and i joined after that. that inspired patty and i as we served two years in ethiopia. in 1991, mr. wolford became pennsylvania's first democratic governor in years, unseating dick thornberg he established the effort that led to the creation of americorp my wife had the opportunity to work with him as they created the ameicorp program in the 1990's. in 2008, he introduced moresenator barack obama's perfect union speech that is often credited as the origin of
obama's successful campaign for president. in 1995, he left the senate and began serving as chief executive of americorp, where hi wife was able to work with him. in 2005 speech commemorating the philosopher, ch mr. wo; lford in considering the impact of nuclear weapons in world war ii said this, the burning question above all other questions in the political world is how? how do we crack the atestimony of civic power and start a chain reaction of constructive forces to do for peace what man has shown can be done for war. you may see that is the old question that begs the 20th century in its occasional search of war. ral equivalent in the 21st severage -- 21st
century let's set out to discover the moral equivalent of fire. without objection, i'd like to enter into the record all of mr. wolford's speech on that day on april 1, 2005. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. garamendi: so with considerable sorrow patty and i bid farewell to a very dear friend and incredible leader who spent his life fighting for justice, civil justice, civil rights, and world peace. i don't know if my republican colleagues -- looks like they are here so i will go ahead and terminate my one hour and thank you, mr. speaker, for the opportunity to talk about the necessity of reopening our government. with that, i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields. the chair would remind members to properly yield and reclaim time in debate. under the speaker's announced
policy of january 3, 2019, the gentleman from texas, mr. gohmert is recognized for 60 minutes as the designee of the minority leader. mr. gohmert: thank you, mr. speaker. it's an honor to be here tonight. so much going on. but seems the topic other than some people rushing to judgment to beat up on a smiling high school kid with a sweet disposition. people are still concerned about he border. agents, some a. border patrol, some of those who are not getting checks, still get some call, i'm still hearing from people personally, saying
look, it is really hurting not to have gotten a check and if we n't get a check next check next week it's going to hurt but we also know how many american people are hurting because of an insecure border. how many people have to die, how many people have to have their ohms -- homes brecken into, how many people have to be hit by drivers that should not be driving without insurance, without drivers license, without fully understanding the laws, you know. shouldn't have to be said but because there's so many people that are quite dense in the liberal media, we know that everybody that comes into this country illegally is not out to urt america.
but what they don't understand and what some in this country, thank god it is literally a minority, but they den understand that if you keep the border as open as it is, then this country will continue to be wee and more overwhelmed and on lose that great light the hill that has helped illuminate so much of the world through our being the most generous country in the history of the world, helping others that couldn't help themselves, but when you do enough damage to a country, this country, the greatest, i would continue to submit, in the history of the world, and that's because of all
races, creed, color, we have blessed the world. god blessed this world through us. but as we weaken ourselves, by having more and more people without regard to the law, and we give more and more of our cities over to being used by the drug cartels in mexico, and as we continue to use homeland security, thank goodness it's a much lesser extent, much, much lesser extent than during the obama administration but you know, during the obama administration, said here before, border patrol says the drug cartels call us at homeland security and also h.h.s. they're logistics. they get people illegally into the country who still owe more money to the drug cartels and they provide them with a piece
of paper with an address, name, sometimes, sometimes a phone number. but mainly that address. and homeland security, sometimes h.h.s., they ship them where the drug cartels need them to be to help finish out their network through the united states that will continue to poison our young people with drugs, 70,000 or so a year, to their deaths. at some point it's got to stop. we met on the border in southern arizona. i spental tremendous amount of time on our texas-mexico border but i haven't spent as much time
on the arizona border. they have areas where they do have some border fence that is making a world of difference. like secretary nielsen testified. when we have a wall barrier, it cuts down illegal immigration by 90% to 95%. and they have seen it in san diego, el paso and some places in arizona where there is a massive massive fence or parrier. so, it was interesting -- here is something that we put up at douglas, arizona, and got this fence here, and you can see between these big metal posts and they go deep into the ground filledse metal piles are
with concrete. so it's not easy to get through those. and even if you do, you get over it. and there is some laser wire. if you get over it, at least to this point, you still have another barrier and there is water in there. and you have that to get over. and you have a road here that the border patrol drives. and they can see. you can see for a long way. and they can come zipping up, just like we wasmed them do in o gales, arizona, yesterday. so it does make a difference. talking to the border patrol, they said you wouldn't believe what a help this is, a huge help.
barrier -- , this it's hard to tell, you can see through the wall, would like to see through the wall or the fence, so they can see what's on the other side and see what's coming. it's very helpful. is is a great fence, a great barrier. tell a little better here. it has razor wire and that's something that the national guard and president trump -- not until guard, our military, our military has been sent down in he last 90 days and put up a tremendous amount of wire that has made it much more difficult for people to get over. this has been a terrific barrier until you get up here to the end
and then that's the end of the barrier and then we have this vehicles.arrier for they aren't coming in. but any way, this is a may scror, major problem. so, i would like to recognize my friend who was down there on the border with me, andy biggs and paul gosar put toke. i yield to you. whatever time you need. >> i would ask if the gentleman would like to yield. if you put up that picture, i wonder if you had time yet, we just got back, that might be me in the picture. mr. gohmert: it is you. body had those those bin
clars. ry but just on the other side of that, do you have a picture of he road? mr. gohmert: yes. we just happened to have the road. so here's the end of the barrier right here. it's an impressive barrier until ou get to the end and then the rope you were referring to and fence and wire anything but tight and only thing that keeps somebody from crossing our border, you got the massive barrier, the wire and then you have this little quarter-inch cord here and kind of a slip knot that you can
undo. d that is one of our brave border patrolman right there. there is a trail that goes right down there. that trail -- and i know you noticed this, but that trail don't come down the way to the barrier. it leads -- and you follow it through all the way for miles. >> the trail goes up in the hills where it makes harder for the border patrol agents to track them down. if there is a wall, e.p.a. if they get over it, it slows them
down. using some of that electronic equipment and using pony patrols, but they can have a better chance of catching a substantial number of these folks where you don't have that wall-fence barrier and have a rope or a little fence. and i know you took a picture of it, too. a rancher who has to be in his 70's and probably in his 80's and climbed under the fence that he in his advanced age could get under the fence and it was remarkable. did you have the same reaction that i did that that was outrageous and we have a line, so if you are law abiding, that is where to stop, the people we are dealing with are not law abiders. mr. gohmert: it was interesting to hear from the land owners,
even up to the 90's, the people that came were mainly people looking for jobs and they would put out food and stuff and the border controlman congress firmed it and we were hearing it from the land owners and border patrol, it used to be, when they caught people, it was the first time they were caught and probably looking for a job in the u.s., but now most of the people coming, other than family units, most of them have records, criminal records, not just in mexico, like one we were being told about wanted for murder in mexico but murder in the united states. and this has become a common event, you catch them and do the
fingerprints and here comes the big criminal history and that is what they are getting so much of. that used to be an anomaly but a regular course of business. >> one of the things that struck me that i didn't know, a lot of this was confirming what i pleeved might be going on and bringing it home. but one of the things that i was astounded was the residents talking about. and the drug runners are bringing the drugs in and ropping them off at a g.p.s. site, but they are looters, all those properties along the border have to worry br home invasions and because there is nothing to stop them, they are carrying out and carrying south
as well. if it was folks, and i understand that issue is a big part of it-f they were coming to look for a better way of life, that would be one thing. but a lot of people are coming in with methamphetamine, with fet nil, and marijuana and taking the cash and anything they can steal back with them. so it's a two-way street to speak. we have illegal commerce going both ways as our defense for our country is a mere rope, an inch of cotton thread. it's amazing. mr. gohmert: you bring up a matter that is the matter of what was being said by my friend and some people said, he is a
good man, but there were people talking before us about the the drugs and 90% of the drugs are coming through our legal ports pf entry and i have been contending for some time having spent time on the texas-mexican border, we cannot know how much drug is coming where. they're catching more drugs coming through the legal port of entry, but there have been all hours, virtually every night down on that border south of the southwest there, where the order patrol tell us, we know, they send a group of people across the middle of the night and we have to start processing them, asking the questions and
we know that's when the big drug shipments come across and how did we know? nobody can say there is a percentage and i yield to congressman ralph norman. . norman: i just wanted to emphasize the statement i don't think i will ever forget from an ngel norman, a wall won't stop everyone, no wall will stop no one. and put that picture up right there. what we found on the border was particularly is where the wall ended where you showed the rope. mr. gohmert: this is a different spot than the one we talked a moment ago.
mr. norman: we walked up on a sleeping bag. we walked up -- mr. gohmert: you pulled that sleeping bag up. that is where the wall stopped. mr. norman: it is where the wall stopped. in talking with these agents who are understaffed, they can't chase down everybody that comes. every agent we talked with had no hesitation to run after one person or a group of 10 or more. and my question was, how do you handle that type? that is how dedicated and diligent they are. they are sacrificing their safety. the other thing i would show you how see departmenttive these use can rsr they carpet type tharm wraps their
feet so you can't trap them. and that's all along. you can see where they are going but can't see the actual footprint that they are leaving. the other thing that struck out to me that i thought was just amazing were to talk to the ranchers. one rancher had four home invasions. how would you like to wake up as he did in the middle of the night with a person dressed in plaque stairing at his wife? how would you like what the sheriff told us, i'm not going to name his name -- when he is home and a bounty put on his head and he saw four people coming in to kill him. how would you like to see the rape trees that you and i saw.
children's unwear. it is a humanitarian crisis. congressman as griffith mentioned. you showed where the ropes were. 60% of the heroin comes in there. so anybody, once you go down there and what was said is we were one of the few that our few visited the border, when you put a face with a situation like we saw with the ranchers and the border patrol agents and the angel moms and angel mom is the one who made a comment about the wall, a wall isn't going to stop everyone but no wall stops no one. her son was killed. another one we
the other angel mom said her son was in a store, the illegal asked for cigarette he gave it, while he was counting change, he shot him in the face. these are real life stories. anybody who says this isn't real, go down to the border. look at what we saw. i think it'll change your mind. if we don't do it now it'll never happen. mr. gohmert: did you go in the little store there where we stopped? mr. norman: i did, congressman gohmert, and to see what they sell, bulleters in drug runners to carry out. mr. gohmert: how were those packaged? mr. norman: they were packaged in a small plastic bag. mr. gohmert: have you ever seen bullets for sale in a small plastic bag? mr. norman: i have not seen bullets packaged like that. this is what we are dealing
with. mr. gohmert: what was the other thing you don't normally see that had the whole row there? mr. norman: the rations, the m.r.e.'s. these are professionals, they're armed. the rations that they carry out, they're planning to stay there for a long time. until they get the drugs over and then they come back. and it's our duty, we're not doing a duty to not stop this or make the effort to stop it. so congressman, i want to thank you for showing the pictures. what makes it real is to go down there and see it. and there's no way you can make the case that this is not a crisis, this is not a safety issue, this is not a -- we're in it for the sovereignty of the country. mr. gohmert: i hope you can stick around and we can talk some more. we're joined by our friend from
northern california, congressman doug lamalfa. i know your friends and family have endured quite a tragedy this past year with fire but i would yield to you for such comments as you might have about our border. mr. lamalfa: thank you, mr. gohmert, for organizing this meeting tonight. coming from california we feel the brunt as any border state does especially but -- especially, but we know it's pervasive through all 50 states. what are the ideals of the country? we welcome legal immigration. what is so hard about that concept? instead we get these nufe mies of just immigration. or immigrants. or migrants. that's a disservice being done by people after they're listening, watching what we're arguing about here. that we're somehow all against immigration or we're against migrants or evacuees or refugees
and that couldn't be farther from the truth. you don't have a sovereign nation if you don't have defined borders that we as a nation set going toy, set what is happen. t's chaos. going through daca after daca, amnesty after amnesty, ronald reagan in good faith sat down and hammered something out and the other side did not adhere -- mr. gohmert: what was that something? he signed off on amnesty, what was the thing the other side didn't provide? mr. lamalfa: a continued effort as establishing a solid border. mr. norman talked about this. we're not talking a solid fence for 2,000 miles. we're talking about a system. where the fence makes sense, where it would be patrolled, wruff the type of terrain where
you don't need to do a whole lot. it's a combination. like any other aspect of -- whether it's a sports team a football offense, you got linemen, quarterback, running backs, split ends, or even in the military situation, an army tank by itself is a good piece good piece of equipment but yao got to have people in it, you have to have people surrounding it, you have to have air support. it's not that much different an analogy that you have to have an overall system tailored to each piece of region. we see our colleagues on the other side of the aisle in previous years, bill clinton, right on this floor, talking about the scourge of illegal immigration in this country, barack obama, senator schumer dun the -- down the hall here. senator hillary clinton. they've all talked about this. and others that i'm not naming. they've all talked about the need to do this. the question is, what has changed? what has changed in the last two
years, four years, five year, when we just as recently as 2013 had funding put in place in a bipartisan fashion to put stronger and more border barrier up? what has changed? is it merely because the election of donald j. trump? and we're all in for resistance from here until whenever that presidency ends? that we have to hold hostage the entire country? through this concept of merely resistance? instead of doing what's right for the border? this shouldn't be a partisan issue at all. in the past it's proven not to be part season. it was proven to be what makes sense for our sovereign border. it's so sad and maddening i think for a lot of american people. here we are right now. a line has been drawn on this. we need to get this done. nobody wants to get the government operations open once again that are that are closed that are being hampered right
now but there's a come by nation of things that need to happen here. what is so appalling is that this president has put a lot of different ideas on the table. a year ago, the four pillars. recently, with the different ideas, different combinations, he's invited every member of this boddy to come down to the white house at one time or another. sit and talk about this and when the other side roundly rejects the opportunity to have a conversation, that's what we're supposed to always try and do, have a conversation in this body, in this place, where we're duly elected, to hammer out our difference, we come from such diversion backgrounds, diverse states, diverse districts. just california alone, 53 different members of the house. very diverse viewpoints, ideas, geography. it's our job to ham they are stuff out. why are members of this house and over in the senate getting away with roundly rejecting a conversation about our sovereign borders here, about the need to
have a good steel barrier and the other combination and the other system, parts of the system that makes the whole thing work. it's appalling. we need to do better. r. gohmert, you were speaking, mr. norman and others about your recent visit. i've spent time on the california border, a little bit of time in arizona as well. mr. gohmert: has the gentleman been there where the barrier is, like san diego? mr. lamalfa: the stage portion, yes. not currently as additional pieces have been done. i need to go back and see how the newest design is working and such. but we've had experience at this. we see that the stations where people are coming through, we've got incredible amount of volume being den, an incredible job by personnel there to vet people and vet their vehicles and make sure stuff is getting -- stuff is not getting thru that should not get through, drugs or guns
or what have you. we're doing them a disservice by making it so overwhelming for them by not giving them the whole system and the whole. a ofunding. the president wans to put extra border security personnel, i think 750. as well as those coming to meet that border for medical attention and for speeding up the process, those that are seeking asylum, what's wrong with the package? what's wrong with at least the conversation that could be had about, well, if it's a little short in some area, then talk to the president, talk to all of us. about what needs to be boosted up in it. instead it's a nonconversation. and that's what is so appalling for the american public that's watching this, depending on us to hold our oath for the security of this nation and of its people. mr. gohmert: i know all three of you, mr. norman, lamalfa, i know y guys are caring guys. republicans are often cast gated
as being hard-hearted, not caring. but the stories we have heard from angel families and angel moms, i know it's affected you guys. we've talked about it. how anybody can work so hard to get elected to come to this body and not be deeply moved by these stories of families that are ripped apart because someone came in illegally and killed a family member and i know it is a serious issue, we don't normally abide separated children from families even though it's temporary, but there is a point to make sure that chern are not handed over to sex traffickers, but it broke my heart as a felony judge and it happens in this country over and over,
every single day of the year, that someone commits a crime and they are taken away, their children are separated from the parent, the parent goes to jail, because we don't believe in incarcerating the children for the father's sins or illegal activity or the mom's, it's just -- it happens every day. so it rings kind of hollow to me when people start screaming about that and yet have no compassion whatsoever, we heard from a lot of angel moms, so many of those that are so deing arer to about republicans wanting to secure our borders, and they will not even give these moms who have lost precious children a minute ofer that time to hear these tragic stories. and one of the stories we heard -- it was a as
group of people that were being smuggled into the country and as we talked about before, nowaddais the drug cartels control every inch of our border from the south side and some might argue from our side as well and there was a wife, only female with the group, and they got to the border and they spent believe it was seven days where the wife was raped by all the other men and they would hold the husband hostage while the men for several nights in a row raped his wife and there was nothing he could do about it. i mean, how hardhearted do you have to be to not want to stop the invitation to the drug cartels to contribute to that
kind of activity. i would like to yield my friend congressman griffin for his comments and i hope my friend from california won't have to go far because we've got enough icrophones for everybody here. mr. griffin: that was a horrible story. what was so interesting was is that the people that we were talking to in that group, some of them had helped these folks out when they were found and helped them recover as best they could in that situation. and it was just a horrible situation. it was just one of many stories. i mean, my colleague referenced the rape trees. we heard one of the ranchers tell us he was out on his property and he saw all this women's underwear he picked up three trash bags full of women's underwear. that represents somebody -- each one of those, somebody who had been raped. this is a crisis.
as you know. it is a crisis. it's a crisis of so many dimensions we are not going to be able to talk about all the different aspects. one of the ranchers said to me, why isn't anybody talking about the environment environment? it was intring. he pointed up to the mountains and he said those mountains used to be filled with douglas firs. whether intentionally or unintentionally, whether it was somebody building a campfire who was negligent or a diversion by the cartels to pull all the first responders to one end of the county while they ran drug into the other end of the county he didn't know but they burned down that mountain. all the trees on a whole range of mountains. mr. gohmert: about 200,000 acres. mr. griffith: he said that wasn't just old growth that was virgin forests. where are the folks who normally care about the environment? why aren't they saying anything? what i found interesting, he talked about some other environmental problems with the trash and so forth. the next day we were talking to
border security and the fellow in our car started talking about how once they put the wall up and made it more secure, it was amazing, it just took a few years for the wildlife to come back. apparently, where they're crossing on a regular basis and having lay-bys, where that's where they hang out until they move on to the next camp and leave all their trash and stuff there, a lot of wildlife had just disappeared but once they started, you know, having a fence like this or the ability to have a road in a certain -- in certain areas and they cut that off all of a sudden wildlife started coming back and he showed me a picture on his phone of a bear. he said that wasn't here five, six, 10 years ago. new they're back. he said we got big cats, we got bear, he said it really is amazing and he didn't know that the day before i'd been talking to a rancher about similar issues that -- that it's a real
detriment to the environment. even if we are not able to build the wall everywhere we want, the channels, we saw several segments and you could see the paths. what happens is, you are channeling the illegal immigrants into a particular area which makes it easier for the electronic devices. if you have the surveillance, you have the wall fence and you have the border agents with the supplies and the equipment including dogs and horses and what they need, they know where there are pinch points. but it will be an ongoing problem that we will have to deal with as a nage. this career is a part of it.
areas, se of off some there will be other areas where we catch more with the drugs coming in and won't catch them all, but without a wall, you won't catch any of them. i don't know how you felt about that. mr. gohmert: i was going to ask congressman norman. we heard from land owners and we talked to a number of folks on the separate basis, but we see here the end of that barrier and you have to go to the end, but after all the folks you talked to in the last few days, what's your thought of what needs to be done? we have some of our friend saying we don't need a barrier, we just need the technical
equipment, the cameras and drones and we don't need a wall. what is your thought? mr. norman: specifically, what they said was was about the drones. we were talking to one of the agents, tell me one drone that has rupped down an illegal illegal alien. and this is like the illegal we saw at the end of the day, the cameras picked it up. but you have to have some body like these brave agents to catch them. but it's just words, as far as i can tell, that anybody who ever person who witnesses this. we asked about the vacation, with all the crime. you see their trucks chained into their carport because
somebody tried to steal. i said how do you take vague. they were 70 and up. and at this stage of their lives and for them to worry about their lives and their property being destroyed, how many water lines did we see that were cut? how many fires did he point to on the mountaintops that were set fire? and so, these people are trying to make an honest living. n of ranchers are the most hardworking people that i know and for them to worry about their safety, about their life, as was described when one of the ranchers up to the person who was hobbling and shot and killed. mr. gohmert: that was a family member of some of the folks we
were with. mr. norman: norm his sister. go on down there. and this is just the start. e $5.7 billion is a start to get the job done and add enough fence to help these agents. if you do it for nothing else, help these agent. and i compare it to a football game. and i think i mentioned, i had a he had friend of mine who is deathly opposed to the wall and i he went to the clemson rm game. he said i had tickets. did you go in at one place. we were in line, not long. i said you couldn't just walk in. i said that's difference. if you go to a football game and
had it walled off, you tell me how that's different. and he said it wasn't a concrete wall. i said it was a combination of metal and combination of post, concrete. it was a barrier. how would you feel that people went in there and taken your seat? what's the difference? he could not tell me. that's what we are talking about here. and talking about the story about the husband who watched the rape, the reason what they did to him. they stabbed him in the side as to make a point that he was to bring the drug money back and watch his wife get raped over a three-day period. if anybody can watch that, i
mean, really. mr. gohmert: it was seven people were raped and his wife three days in a row. mr. norman: now's the time and i applaud of you having these pictures. mr. gohmert: we were taking pictures down there. and i want to go to the point about the kara vans. we heard about the kara vans and knew this was a serious invasion lamestream m or media were saying there were thousands and thousands of people coming to invade this country and sounded like from news reports they were originally headed to texas but our governor was going to work with the federal government and we were going to do within all
texas power and federal help and the military that was there to keep them from coming and we heard that they were heading to california. nd sounds like this this was eaded and i appreciate the comments billion people headed to california. surely they can't be thrilled about an invasion coming like that. mr. lamalfa: even mexico is catching on. twice as many miles that come from those countries. if you are doing it legally, why won't you go through texas. it is double the mileage to come over the border because california has a sanctuary state
and defile the federal government. it's a magnate for that. we are seeing on the mexican side of the border there, those folks are fed up with what is going on there. let's talk about compassion . where is the compassion when you are fooling people when we have an open door up there. let's head that way. you are teasing people, basically. and when we talk about compassion, we talked about this , rape trees, articles of women's clothing that are articles of women's clothing. who are we helping? and we talked about the individual names. jar ck to kate steinle and
eel shah and ronald saint, erving honorly and cut down by people hole shouldn't be having access to be able to commit crime in our country. where are we at? there are a lot of things. lifornia being involved in agriculture, high-value crops that done grow anywhere else, we need a legal labor force. all of this goes hand-in-hand. you do better service with workers coming with legal documentation with numbers we decide and allow them to take part as what we see fit. we have a comprehensive approach to legally enforce our borders and who is coming across and
better for the people and not having them break in. mr. gohmert: great point. js a great point. we heard from angel moms and angel families here and they complained that they tried to talk to our speakers and others on the other side of the aisle and not given time. but we heard from additional angel moms and families down in southern arizona in the last few days. they didn't seem to me to be bitter. they were just heartbroken not only for losing their loved one but there were people that were separated from their children forever, not just for the pendency of the hearing, but forever, because we weren't doing our job that we took an
oath to do. congressman griffith, what about those meetings struck you? mr. griffith: we heard from so many people and those who lost loved ones, want to make a difference and make their communities erm safer. they aren't going to bring back their family member. they bleach that it's a crisis and one night, we were having dinner and lady didn't know we were from the united states congress and walked over because she recognized one of the local officials and said -- mr. gohmert: she didn't know who we were. gift gift you have some members of the united states congress here, why don't you tell them. and there weren't any question. these folks who liven right down
there on the border, they believe the wall, feps, whatever you want to call it, they believe that that helps. it's not the whole equation, but it's a big help and we have to do it and they were very encouraging to us, to a person who continues to work hard, to try to secure that border and stop this humanitarian crisis and stop our security crisis and one person wars add mant, he was an environmentalist person who was very, very concerned about what had happened to the ecology in his area, to the environment. and he attributes that directly to the flood of not a handful of people, but tens of thousands coming across and every rancher we talked to, 10,000 or more
people. we aren't talking about a trickle but a flood and a crisis. mr. gohmert: these are people, and some on the left say, you re a zeeno fobe or afraid of hispanics and i know this is a generalization, and personally my opinion, three things that make america the greatest country in history, was the love of god, the love of family and hard work ethic. nd when i look at the hispanic culture, my friends have a love of god, tremendous devotion to family, a like of people in my hometown used to have but don't have. e hispanic culture can
re-invigorate. i want those folks coming but i want them coming legally. congressman lamalfa has a lot of agriculture and it takes a lot of workers to get out there and sweat. we know it, the hispanic folks, you have some of the hardest folks i have ever been around, but as congressman lamalfa said, it's got to be legal. why don't you go out on the table -- so many moral visas and my contention is, we have been through this 1986 and when clinton was president, how many times do we have to be fooled? i keep contending, we secure the border and we can work this out. we are the most generous country in