tv Dr. Fauci on Coronavirus Pandemic a Path Forward CSPAN July 17, 2020 1:33pm-2:26pm EDT
the senate continues work on the annual 740.5 alien dollar 2029 -- billion-dollar 2021 national defense authorization act. watch anytime on c-span.org or listen on the go with the free c-span radio app. dr. anthony fauci spoke about the ongoing pandemic. he was asked about the use of masks and the reopening of schools and businesses. this event held by video conference was hosted by the u.s. chamber of commerce. >> good morning, everyone. my hope is a happy friday in your home. welcome to a very special edition of the u.s. chamber foundation path forward series. we are thrilled to welcome dr. anthony fauci. since he was appointed in 1984 as director of infectious diseases he has conducted
extensive research and worked to prevent, diagnose, and treat infectious diseases. he has advised 16 presidents on everything from hiv-aids, tuberculosis, malaria, to ebola, zika, and now covid-19. he is the winner of the presidential medal of freedom, the highest civilian honor in the united states. we are grateful for his lifetime of public service and particularly for his candor and expertise during this critical time. let's get right to this. dr. fauci, let me ask you for a broad overview of the pandemic, where are we now? dr. fauci: we are in a difficult situation. we have a large outbreak, there have been close to 140,000 deaths and several million infections. that is sobering news.
there are some bright spots we need to capitalize on. areas of the country like the new york metropolitan area which has been through a difficult time, probably worse than any other regional area but turned it around and come down but as we see now if you follow the news carefully which is pretty obvious that there are sections of the country, particularly a group of southern states -- particularly california, florida, texas, and arizona and others that are seeing a resurgence where we are seeing a baseline of 20,000 cases a day has gone up to 30, 40, 50, 60 and even 70 on the last count so we have to do something about that, something we need to address. it is a significant issue. resurgence is something we've got to be able to suppress. we want to ultimately, and as soon as we possibly can and as safely as we possibly can reopen
the country, get it back to some step-by-step direction towards normality, and the way you do that is by careful process of opening up under certain types of guidelines we've put out from the white house task force. those are the things we want to get back in step. the time has come to take a look at what is going on and see if we can intensify the things we do to prevent a resurgence that we are seeing. >> what does the fall look like? dr. fauci: it is very difficult to predict. one of the things about this virus, in certain areas, it has been unpredictable, certain things are predictable, and that
is if you do not do certain things and the virus is left to its own devices, it will continue to spread through the population. is the virus changing? i don't want to get too technical, but this is an rna virus, and they mutate, that's part of their natural evolution in their replication cycle. the question is, have they mutated so much as to change substantially? there has been a recent study that has not necessarily been applied to people that has been shown in a situation where you look at the evolution and mutation of the virus in a certain way. it binds a bit better to the receptor with a certain mutation. but i don't think we can say anything about that from a practical standpoint until we get more data. bottom line answer, there isn't anything different about this virus that gives us further insight to what happens in the fall.
i think we should put aside thinking of the fall, people talk about the possibility of a second wave in the fall, that is a historic terminology related to another time and another outbreak. we need to concentrate on where we are right now. if you talk about waves, we are essentially still in the first wave. when you are having up to 70,000 new infections in certain areas of the country, that is something you need to focus on right now, as opposed to looking ahead to what will happen in september or october. >> we have questions from the audience on video. the first one from anne gill in arizona. caller: good morning. i'm the president and ceo of the
chamber of commerce. today is,n for you did things open up too earlier was it the way we reopened that result in the current spike in cases? dr. fauci: that is a good question and it is a mixed bag. i'm not going to name any individual states, but if you look at the criteria for the stepwise fashion of so-called reopening, we put out guidelines from the coronavirus task force that had what is called a gateway, a criteria for the lessening of the number of cases over a certain number of days. if you pass that gateway, you would go to phase i, and if you were there at a certain amount of time in the cases were steady and going down, you could go to phase 2 and phase 3. when you look at that, clearly there are some states that actually skipped over one or more of what you call benchmarks or checkpoints. that could have been one of the issues that led to the surge.
there are other situations where the states and cities, essentially, officially did it perfectly correctly, but the citizenry, the people themselves did not abide by what those recommendations were, and that is what we have seen so dramatically with film clips we have seen on tv of people congregating in bars without masks, or in crowded places without masks, be it beaches, boardwalks, or whatever, and that almost certainly has led at least in part, is a partial explanation to the kinds of resurgences we have seen. it is a mixed bag, doing a bit too quickly on the part of some and trying to do it correctly but people did not cooperate on the part of other locations.
host: we have talked a lot about testing. getting testing under control. is it hard for the united states to get effective testing? dr. fauci: we got off to a slow start with regard to testing for a number of reasons that have been very much dissected, considerably, so we need not now go back, but things in regard to testing are better than they were before, and if you look at the number of tests that have been done in the projection over the next month or two of the number of tests we can be able to do, i believe you will start to see and hopefully we will see a change for the better in the availability of the tests, when you get the results back more quickly, in some cases we got them back, all of those things can certainly use a degree of improvement but they are much better now than they were in the past.
host: the u.s. chamber represents businesses of every size, every sector, every community across the country. one thing we hear a lot from business leaders and community leaders is, which data should we be watching? how do we know what is actionable? where do we look for information? what would you advise business leaders? the cdc forever has been the lead agency in both surveillance and response outbreaks and you can get on a daily basis and even some real time information not only about the extent and the location and the dynamics of the outbreak on the country at a whole, but you can get it city by city and state by state. so i would point you to the cdc website for information that would be valuable to you.
other websites, others have similar information, johns -- the johns hopkins website has one. there are other websites, but i recommend for the purposes you are asking that you stick with the cdc. host: the idea of advising people in their communities leads to the next audience question from california. caller: my name is kirk rothsberg, and my question, what is the best advice i can give to my staff who are fearful? dr. fauci: that is a very commonly asked question. you are in california. california is responding now. i have been in contact multiple times with your governor and mayors in california.
the thing you do is take a look at the state in which your particular location is. are you in gateway, phase i or phase ii? and follow the guidelines that are clearly delineated. all you need to do go to coronavirus.gov and you'll see guidelines for opening america. having looked at them the minimal thing you should do is the kinds of things we have been talking about constantly. wearing a mask, maintaining 6 feet of distance, avoiding crowds, washing your hands as much as you can with soap and water, with the kinds of substances that are around, purell, those are the fundamental things you need to do.
because the virus will not be able to do anything if you keep a physical distance. bakery,re in an open you have to be physically closer. wearing a mask is something everyone should do. you should ask it of your customers. host: france just mandated masks in all public places. is that something we need local and state governments to do here? dr. fauci: no. i think it is going to be, as we all know, our society from the beginning of the founding fathers is a federalist society in which the states have certain prerogatives, powers, and responsibilities. i can say as a public health official that i would urge the leaders, local, political and other leaders in states and cities and towns to be as forceful as possible in getting your citizenry to wear masks.
masks are important. physical distancing is the most important. but practically, when you are living your life and trying to open up the country, you will come into contact with people, and for that reason, we know masks are really important and we should be using them everywhere. host: that leads to a question from this member of michigan. caller: my name is michelle with the lansing regional chamber of commerce in lansing, michigan. dr. fauci, thank you for joining us. my question is around masks and businesses, businesses are in the unfortunate position of being the mask police. they are anxious for the revenue, but desperate to stay healthy and open and have to often confront patrons who are not wearing masks. this has led to uncomfortable and even dangerous encounters
-- what advice would you have for business owners and staff members to manage or address the situation? what would be a message to the community at large to drive home the critical importance of wearing a mask? dr. fauci: thank you, michelle. the answer to the second part of your question is probably the answer to the first part. i am totally aware, because i've spoken in the same situation, it -- spoken to many in the same situation, commercial people in lansing. it gets difficult that people don't want to cooperate and you don't want a hostile environment in your business for obvious reasons, but on the other hand, you want to maintain the highest levels of safety. what i have been trying to do in my discussions, i will mention
it briefly now because i do it every opportunity that i can, to get people to appreciate an individual to protect yourself. because if you get infected, even if you're a young person and have a higher chance of not having a serious outcome, by getting infected, even if you never get symptoms, you are part of the propagation of the pandemic. so even though deep down you want to open up the country and get back to normal, by getting infected, you're propagating the process of the pandemic and slowing down the process of opening up. even though you think it only involves you in a vacuum, it doesn't. if you get infected, the chances are, you're going to infect someone else and the chances that person will infect someone else, then sooner or later, probably sooner, you're going to infect someone who is a vulnerable person who could get seriously ill.
that could be somebody's grandmother, grandfather, father, child on chemotherapy, mother, from leukemia, a woman getting radiation, all of the kinds of people that are at higher risk of serious outcomes. to have societal responsibility. so it isn't just i don't want to tor a mask into your place buy a loaf of bread or whatever it is you are going to buy because i don't want anybody telling me what to do. this has been a free country from the very birth of the country, this is really different, this is everybody pulling together in a serious situation. if we can get more people to understand that, hopefully we will get more people willing to wear masks.
host: speaking of being a good public citizen and civic responsibility, a number of chamber leaders and business leaders play other roles in their community, volunteers, a number of them are being called on by their local school boards and local government officials to help grapple with how and when to open schools. speaking to thought leaders and communities across the country -- how should they be participating in that conversation and what factors should they be considering? a v very -- a very important point you bring up because this is obviously being discussed intensively as we get into the summer and prepare for the end of summer and early fall -- particularly when children in lower, intermediate and high school are going back to high
school, particularly children going into lower or elementary schools as we used to call it. my advice is that we need to take a look, go to 40,000 feet and look at the big picture. if you look at things that come out from the american academy of pediatrics, if you look at the well-known, downstream, unintended consequences that are ripple effects of keeping children out of school, namely the impact on the kids themselves, the impact logistically on the parents, because of the fact that it impacts their ability to go to work, that the default position should always be we need to do the best we possibly can within the framework of safety, the best we possibly can to have our default position to get the children back to school. having said that, living in a big country that is
geographically and demographically diverse, we are not unidimensional. there will be parts of the country where the level of virus activity is so low, you don't have to modify anything at all, just send the children back to school. but clearly, if you look at what is going on right now, parts of the country have a significant degree of viral activity that make you want to pause and if we -- and say, if we are going to bring the children back to school, we have to make sure there is paramount safety for the children and safety for the teachers. so we may want to modify, logistically or otherwise, what we do. separate the desks by a certain amount, wearing masks for children within any group in which masks are at least feasible, perhaps rotating the kind of schedule, morning, afternoon, every other day, or what have you.
always thinking we will do whatever we can to get the schools open and children back to school, but always remember that safety and the health of the children and teachers comes first. i think if we keep that in mind, we will go a long way to getting the schools open safely. host: our interns have had different experiences this year given the virus. interns have a serious question, we have an intern who asks, are we are going to back to the way things were? dr. fauci: the answer to that is yes. we are going to get over this, we will get over this difficult period. sometimes, you get so exasperated and run down by it that you think it is never going
to end. through public health measures and science will come to our rescue. hopefully, sooner rather than later, we will go as fast as we can with development of therapeutics, development of a vaccine, which we have been speaking of for a while. we have favorable results in early studies of vaccines. one of the candidates will be going into an advanced phase 3 month,y the end of this by the end of july, and other candidates will be entering advanced clinical trials as we get into midsummer, late summer and early fall. we feel cautiously optimistic that we are on the road, as bleak as it may sound, that we are on the road of getting this under control. you can tell your intern, yes, we will get back to normal with schools, and we will ultimately get back to normal with every
aspect of our lives. host: that is a wonderful thing thinkter on and make us more seriously about social distancing, washing her hands. there is a normal on the other side. the sooner we can act appropriately, the better. let me ask about another optimistic note. you hear how the virus has impacted business, but it is also true business has impacted virus, you talk about vaccines and therapeutics and other things, but talk about the role of the private sector in fighting this pandemic? dr. fauci: the role of the private sector is paramount. the federal government, academia, is part of the private sector. pharmaceutical companies are part of the private sector, so every single candidate, therapeutic, diagnostic, and
certainly vaccine we are dealing with in trying to develop has a major influence from the private sector. there is no way government alone, be it federal, state, or local government is going to fix this. it is a marriage and a collaboration between government authorities and the private sector. it has always been that way, and it is that way now, and i believe it always will be that way. the answer to your question is absolutely, the private sector plays a major role. host: the chamber is a firm believer in the role of the private sector and how these public-private partnerships across a lot of society's challenges are so important to success for all of us. speaking of other partnerships, we have another question from the audience from another sector, you mentioned academia, we have a question from enid kramer at john hopkins.
good morning, i am the deputy director of institute of private studies. my question is, how can the business community achieve public health priorities and improving the current infrastructure needs? goodauci: you make a point, i respect coming from johns hopkins that you would do that. i will put in a plug that i hope everybody will appreciate, one of the most important aspects of responding to an outbreak, in both the health care infrastructure locally and public health infrastructure locally, it becomes very, very difficult to adequately respond, including things like identification, isolation, contact tracing.
if you do not have adequate local health infrastructure, manpower, and capability. and unfortunately, in some respects, historically, we have been the victims of our own success, because we have done so , controlling,ning and even eliminating some of the deep killers and neighbors and diseases that cause a great degree of morbidity over decades and decades that we have maybe declared our success too prematurely and left local public health capability dwindled a bit, so that is something we need to build up now, but we need to remember in the future that if we want to respond adequately to an outbreak, we want to make sure the local public health apparatus is very much intact and vital and ready to respond.
host: i have 12 questions, i will try to limit it to one at a time. you mention the importance of the local infrastructure and the domestic infrastructure. there is an international infrastructure. there's been a lot of conversation about the world health organization and why it is important the united states has a connection with local health organizations. -- with global health organizations. can you explain that? dr. fauci: if you look at the latin derived meaning of ," meaning" it is "pan "all." when you are dealing with an infectious disease, this is a global issue by definition. there are very few, ebola may be one of them, where you have an infectious disease that by the nature of the disease itself is combined geographically.
when you have a respiratory illness, which most pandemics are, influenza, covid-19, particularly in the 21stu are e fromry, where we travel one part of the globe around the in 18 hours.egrees so you have to look at the global conductivity. that is the reason why organizations that are global in , as well as the public health security networks we have put up, are so important. because we are all connected. and we need to be connected and to be transparent. we need to be connected to exchange information. we need to be connected in our response. because if you have something
like covid-19 outbreak, if the smoldering in another part of the world, we are vulnerable here. we saw that absolutely when it emerged in a well defined area in china. and then all of a sudden the entire world with two hunter 20 countries -- 220 has been involved. it is global by nature so we need global organizations, and global cooperation. >> the early thing -- the other thing your earlier answer maybe think about was, you mention the successes we have had in combating other diseases. it may be think how important immunity is to that. covid-19,tions about and i know we do not know the answer, but what do you think the odds are that people could get reinfected, that you can get the virus over and over again. and how does this change how we treat this disease?
dr. fauci: first of all, we do not know the answer to that question, you are right. extrapolations, based on a long backlog of knowledge of other viruses. if you get infected, and you which, almost by definition means you have made toadequate immune response the virus and recovered from the virus, and that virus does not substantially change, so it is the same virus -- then the chances are that at least for a finite time, and we do not know if that is three-month or six-month or one-year, we are learning that but we do not know that yet. you can assume that you're going to be protected for some time after you recover. the question we need to know, for the purpose, for example, a
vaccinations, is how long does that protection last? because it will guide us to get the optimal vaccination. you vaccinate someone and you hope to get response that protects them for a certain number of months or years, you hope, unlikely we will be able to do that. nes, the wayity wa immunity does wane with , a booster shot, which is not that difficult to do. so you need to be aware of the potential finite nature of protection. but there are also multiple ways that you can overcome that and respond to it. yes, we are all used to getting boosters, right? that is something that happens. we vaccinate our children and ourselves. you learn how often you need them and that is part of how you
take care of yourself. we have another question from virginia. >> good morning. ceo of anesident and organization. covid-19 impacting black and brown people disproportionately? and what does this demographic need to know to better protect themselves? thank you. dr. fauci: thank you for that extraordinarily relevant question, hope. this is a real problem that we are facing. if you look at the data, what you said is absolutely correct. if you look at minority populations, particularly african-americans and latin x, native americans, there are two things echo on with them, -- there are two things that go on with them that make them bear a disproportionate burden of covid-19. that is, even i do not like to generalize, but in this case
generalization makes you understand it better. of jobsal, the kinds and the kinds of economic strata in which minority populations, particularly african-americans, find themselves in, put them in a more vulnerable position to get infected. it is less likely by the jobs many of them have that they are able to protect themselves by being at home, doing telework, looking at a computer and being safe in your own home. generally, they are disproportionately more out there, exposed, in situations where they may not be able to prevent themselves from getting infected. so their risk of getting infected is likely more. not major studies, but they get infected more. so you can make a reasonable assumption that the risk they have of getting infected is more. then, the important issue. that is more problematic, because it is going to take him much longer time to address and
fix. and that is the social determinants of disease. the things that go into making someone have a higher incidence of diabetes, of hypertension, , of obesity of asthma, of a variety of illnesses, which we know that if you do get infected and you have one of those underlying conditions, that the chances of your getting a serious deleterious negative outcome, of getting infected, is much greater, then if you did not have those underlying conditions. so when you look at the african-american and minority population in general, they have a significantly higher incidence of those underlying conditions, that lead to a poor outcome. so it when you put those things together, greater incidence of getting infected, greater prevalence and incidence of co-morbidity's, --
whichidities which, , make your outcome worse, it is easier to understand the data that minority communities are at greater risk of getting into trouble with covid-19. you can address some of them immediately by putting resources for better and easier testing, identification, isolation, contact tracing, in areas where there's is demographic overrepresentation of this minority, so they have easy accessibility to these things, to get them diagnosed and into care quickly. we can do that now. what is going to take longer to fix, is the decades and decades and decades-old social determinants of health, which we much -- which we must address. because they can be overcome. and over time we can diminish that disparity of these underlying conditions in the minority populations.
>> such an important point. one of the pieces of work we do at the chamber is we are doing everything we can to support job creators. we just held a national town hall about what we can do to impact the equality of opportunity, because we know that employment leads to better health outcomes. so we know that whatever we can do to help people who have been traditionally left out of those circumstances enter and have more opportunity over the long run helps their health outcomes, an issue near and dear to our hearts. earlier this week you were talking about what would be partners concentrating health resources, access to testing, etc., in minority communities, to fight this trend. have you seen any place that is doing well and can serve as a model for the rest of us? dr. fauci: yes and we are trying to do that now. if you look at the total response involving fema and the
cdc, the ones out there in the field. at nih, we do research to develop therapeutics and vaccines, so we are not specific the out there in the community at that level. but organizations like fema and particularly cdc, who actually has done that historically for what they do, is to go out into the community and interact with the state and local health authorities, to do just what we are saying now. i think it is so important that anything we can do in partnership with you to highlight the best practices, anything you are seeing that we can get out to the state and local chambers as they are advising their governors and their mayors and their communities, we want to help be part of the trans-mission of those best practices. we have another question, this one from washington, d.c.. >> good morning. i'm with southwest airlines and washington, d.c. in alexandria,
virginia. i'm a working mom and the mother of two boys and my husband and i have had sleepless , ands because of the virus what we can do in our communities and in our controllable behaviors. i'm curious what keeps you up at night, knowing that there is still so much we do not know about this vicious virus? dr. fauci: thank you for that question. happening, have kept me up at night before it happened. i will get to what keeps me up at night right now. i have always said, the thing i have been concerned with is the emergence of a new virus, that we have never been exposed to before, that has a couple of characteristics. one is that it is easily
transmissible from person-to-person. has ao, that it significant degree of morbidity and mortality. because we have had exams about breaks that are new infections -- we have had examples of outbreaks that are new infections with one but not the other of those characteristics. the reason i lost sleep is the concern about what happens of those come together. in 2005 we had the bird few isboard flow, -- bird flu a 40% mortality, but it did not transmit from human to human very well. it was kind of like a dead end in one human. so if you are unlucky to that infected, too bad because you're a high degree of mortality, but it is unlikely to infect anyone else. swine, 2009, the h1n1 the first pandemic of the 21st century.
ad what we saw with that, was virus that jumps species from swine to a human, it had a very capable of spreading from human to human, but it was, pathogenesis was minor. it did not kill very many people at all. then along comes covid-19, and the stars coronavirus to, which 2.-- sars coronavirus this is the perfect storm, capable of transmitting from human to human, and a significant degree and some people of morbidity and mortality. so that is up until now. what bothers me most now is the absolute need to get control of what is going on right now globally. the united states of america has been hit very severely by this. you just need to look at the numbers, and see the number of infections in the millions, in the number of deaths, 140,000
deaths now. it keeps going up. each day we are seeing an increase in hospitalizations. we need to get better control over this. we need to open up the country, because staying shut down has economic, employment, health and other negative consequences that are significant. so we have to have a delicate balance, of carefully and prudently going toward no mallet t -- going toward normality and opening up, at the same time we contain and not allow these surges we are seeing in certain states. that is a big challenge. that is the thing i get concerned about most. how well we are doing about that, can we do better? and can we turn this around? i believe we can. this will end. but i want to do it sooner rather than later. this is what i would say
continually causes me a relative lack of sleep. >> amen to a quick and. -- end. i remember having dinner with you about the bird few -- bird flu all those years ago and you are saying this type of outbreak was your worst nightmare. what worries me, not having our experience, is that these things that used to be one in 100 year pandemics seem to be coming more quickly together. i mean, we are optimistic we get to the end of covid-19. but are these pandemics going to become more frequent occurrences? dr. fauci: you know, i think that they likely are for a number of reasons. bit,ntinually encroach a sometimes inappropriately, on the human-animal interface. if you look at how many of these outbreaks, if you look at the numbers, 70% of the new infections, mainly infections we have never experienced before or
zoonotic., animale fundamentally an reservoir and for one reason or another they have jumped species. hiv-aids has done that. ebola did that. influenza did that. and sars coronavirus 2 has done that. so it clearly happens. what we tend to do is that, as we have seen in china with the wet markets, where you bring animals in from the wild, you have these viruses that can be adaptable to humans. and you have such a close human-animal interface with no regulation, that can do it. it is also when you encroach on things like the rain forest. when you go out and build and do building up of civilizing circuit -- certain parts of the country and you come into contact with species of animals that harbor viruses that can
spread efficiently from human to human. that is why we continue to seek new infections. it is at least 70%, being zoonotic. >> a lot of questions there but we know the country wants you to get back to fighting this disease. i will ask two more questions. one is to look into the camera and give people individual advice. we are getting questions in the chat, should i get tested? even if i have been tested before? should i go see my doctor? if it is time for my annual mammogram? should i go to the dentist? i know there are personal physicians but what would you advise the individuals watching this about covid-19 and the regular doctor visits? dr. fauci: right. the really is no reason to get tested just because you want to get tested. if there is a reason like you have been exposed, contact tracing or what have you. one reason for you to get tested
even if there is no risk is to accumulate data as to what the penetration is, so you can be part of the process, where we are doing more blanket testing to understand, what the level of infection is, in community. but you should not wake up in the morning it's nothing different from any other day and say, oh, i absolutely need to get tested. if you want to get tested, there are enough tests around that you can get tested. but there may be good reasons why you want to get tested. and that will be something to drive you to get tested. the other thing, that i think is important, is, depending on where you live and the status of the outbreak, for the most part, you should to, if it is safe to do, continue to do the kind of things that look after your general health. you mentioned routine screenings, routine doctor visits, routine procedures like
mammograms, oral dental care. the one thing we do not want, is for people to stay away from -becausehat later on they did not do proper screening -- would lead to infections or cancers or cardiovascular disease, that he could have avoided, if you got routine medical care. see want to be careful and do all the things we have spoken about over the last half an hour or 45 minutes, about protecting yourself. but you want to pay attention to application of things that are important for your health. >> i want to get to a lot question but a quick follow-up. i lived in fairfax county, virginia. if i want to know what is going on in my community, my looking at percent positive test?
my looking at hospitalizations? in my looking at deaths? how might judging what is happening in my community if i making personal decisions? dr. fauci: i think you said them all. if you do more testing, you're going to get more positives, but if there are more cases that are going up, that are independent of how much your testing, but the cases are going up, then the percentage of the number of tests you do, that are positive, are going to go up. that is a surefire indication. two, he was seymour hospitalizations. -- you will seymour hospitalizations. see morell hospitalizations. number three, you have more hospitalizations, you will seymour deaths. and that is -- you will see more deaths. and that is exactly what you're saying in some areas.
where you live and where i live in the washington, d.c. area, things are pretty much under control. but we have to be prepared that we may see increases and we have to be responsive to them, and being able to prevent them from being -- becoming serious surges, in the way we are seeing in some of the states we spoke about at the beginning of the program, like florida and texas and california and arizona, where they are seeing significant increases. >> final question. you get individual advice and i'm going to ask you to look into the camera and if a business owner advise. business owners are trying to balance health and their livelihoods. the risk every opening and the risk of staying closed. what is your final word of advice to the business community in america? to sayci: i do not like advice because sometimes that gets presumptuous. on thel reflection, business community, is that the business community is so essential to everything that we
do. even our health. to have a healthy community, you have to have a healthy business community. so you are really important. so you have to try, within the framework of safety and attention to your health and your safety and your welfare, to try and get back to normal, and open america again, in a way that is prudent, that is careful, and that follows the guidelines we spent considerable time putting together. the guidelines for opening america again. with the gateway of phase one, of phase two, of phase three. take a look at this guidelines and follow them. because the public-health apparatus should not be looked upon as the obstacle in the way of opening. it should be a gateway, a vehicle, and a facilitation of opening.
because if you follow them, it is unlikely that you will have to backtrack, because of a search, where we are seeing -- because of a surge, as we are seeing going on in several states now. if you do it prudently, i believe you can in most instances continue to progress along bring them back and opening up america again. >> dr. fauci, thank you for everything you're doing for our country. thank you for helping us go through these issues today. please count on the u.s. chamber of commerce as an information and best practices disseminate or at any time that we can be helpful to you. and god bless you in your work. dr. fauci: thank you bram much i appreciate the opportunity to join you today. and stay healthy. >> to the audience if you have missed prior episodes, the on apple podcasts and youtube from that u.s. chamber. you heard a funny expert yourself.
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