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a disaster. now in the beginning we're going to start with syria. president obama's holding a press conference, asked about syria. did they cross the red line when they might have used chemical weapons. we believe that it was probably that they did. well here's president obama's response. >> what we now have is evidence that chemical weapons have been used inside of syria but we don't know how they were used, when they were used, who used them. we don't have a chain of custody that establishes what exactly happened and when i am making decisions about america's national security and the potential for taking additional action in response to chemical weapon use, i've got to make sure i've got the facts. cenk: yeah that's a delay tactic. he's between a rock and hard place. the american people don't want to go to syria the american
corporations don't want to go. israel doesn't want to go to syria. he drew a red line and they crossed it. he said well, let's see what happens, we've got to determine better. we certainly don't want to rush into war. i'm glad he's taking his time to figure it out in some ways. we'll talk more about that. in the meanwhile syria has struck with airplanes near the turkish border. that's another huge problem. that might draw turkey closer to the combat, turkey obviously a nato country then we have an obligation to fight with the turks if that's the case, since they're the second largest army innate toe. it has killed five people, including one child as you're seeing the pictures there. now, when you ask the american people should we intervene in syria, they've got a pretty resounding no. 62% say no, only 24% say yes. all right let me bring the panel in and have a discussion
about this. mark thompson, host of the edge show, an on line podcast focusing on the environment and science for over 30 years on television, has a couple of emmy's. jimmy dore had a show on comedy special, now on t.y.t. network. good to see both of you old friends. speaking of old friends lee fang author. it's mark, jimmy lee we've got it. so guys, let me start with you here in the studio. what in the world are we supposed to do about syria? >> go. the nation doesn't want to go, as you suggest and as you show, people aren't up for military involvement. what the people want and what
will happen bear no similarity whatever. washington will feel like you feel the military industrial complex if i can sound like some sort of conspiracy theorist. you said one other thing that was powerful. corporate america doesn't want to get involved in syria. it's a sticky situation politically, you can't get in and out and it doesn't seem as though there's any benefits. i suspect they're digging their heels in in any way possible. you suggested the first way with semantics we're not quite sure this isn't technically really. >> is sarin really sarin? is it a chemical weapon? >> lindsey graham said if we don't, we'll end up going to war in iran and if we don't handle it tough enough, they'll attack us, apparently. cenk: we're either going to war
with syria or with iran. i'm like wait, there's got to be a third option. he's like yeah, here's the third option, we do both. lee, how does president obama walk us back, you drew a red line, they crossed it. >> i thought he did a pretty good job today. as you said, a delay tactic, but he's facing pressure from congress. it's unfortunate that the administration made this kind of red line comment last year, because it's arbitrary. how they died, chemical wear fair or chemical weapons to me doesn't matter. the warmongers in congress, lindsey graham, john mccain, this is middle season hypocritical stuff. depleted rain yum was used in iraq napalm, agent orange in
vietnam. they don't care about that. they are looking for a reason to push us to war. >> didn't we use white phosphorous in iraq? >> we did birth defects are higher from that in hiroshima ma and nag sack key in japan. i'm tempted to go. i'm playing the more conservative role here, i guess. i think the message we send is important, and i think is a good message, that you shouldn't use chemical biological or nuclear weapons. sadaam didn't have those. iraq, to go in was insanity. if he had used them and we went in right after i get it, right? he didn't even have them, let alone use them. that doesn't necessarily mean we shouldn't go to syria. if we don't don't we send a message have at it? >> what does go mean? >> something has to be done. something has to be done for the
humanitarian crisis. we need a complicated long discussion, you know, it's a very serious issue with the red line. cenk: i'm boiling it down to one sentence you. guys asked, i ever the answers as usual. we aid the vetted rebels that we think to the best of our abilities are not al-qaeda, and we do air power. so yeah, we'll get into some fights. they have airplanes in syria. it will us 13 hours to knock them out of the sky. look, putting the kidding aside it's a serious issue. we might lose some people, there's a chance. i'm not sending ground troop to say syria. i mean, there's no oil under the ground, why would we send ground troops right? i get that. again, i don't want to get us into a bloody middle eastern war, but the air force did work in libya to help overthree gaddafi. i think it would works in
serious. defense contractors want us to go to war. the senators who represent the defense contractors are graham and mccain. the oil companies are like ain't no oil, you know, and many other companies, don't see a profit in it. it's just basically defense contractors versus everybody else who doesn't want to go. in that rare case, i think defense contractors lose, they can cross a red line, blue line, purple line and we're not going. >> isn't it interesting that they asked president obama these questions about syria, like he's not president of the united states, but president of the world. like it's his responsibility to take care of it. isn't there a group of arab states that want to get involved. aren't they interested at all in this? cenk: i got a tweet from an angry right winger saying it's close to turkey, why don't you arabs deal with it. turks are not arabs.
>> you couldn't get in 140 characters what you want to say to him. cenk: arabs going to the rescue is going to be zero. >> wry is that? cenk: it's all about financial incentives. all our tanks are to protect our assets not yours. >> it will be tough to get them together on many issues, probably right cenk? cenk: yeah, and that's the other secret part of this, israel just released a statement saying it's ok, not responding to a red line in syria is not the equivalent of not responding in iran. in other words you don't have to go. why? they had a deal, the guy who mate replace him they don't have a deal yet. the devil i know is not as bad as the devil i don't know, so it's ok, be cool, save your military for iran when we need
you to go there. >> what is obama's hesitancy that he can do a surgical air strikes and create a safe haven. sounds like you agree with this, so what's his reluctance? cenk: it could be a mess, cost a ton of money. we could lose some troops. >> i don't know that you can create a safe haven. you're saying look, we've laid this out and now we have to act. we can act in this fairly surgical way although i don't know that it's a safe haven afterwards. you're still left with a mess in syria. cenk: you start a long war but inaction doesn't mean we go invade, take damascus. it could mean just the air force, which we're pretty good at. president obama was asked about that he also spoke out on that. let's watch. >> it is not a surprise to me that we've got problems in guantanamo. i think it is critical for us to understand that guantanamo is not necessary to keep america
safe. it is expensive. it is inefficient. it hurts is in terms of international standing, it is a recruitment tool for extremists. it needs to be closed. cenk: 100 prisoners are on a hunger strike. 21 are being force-fed. some are saying some might die on this hunger strike that's been going on since february. finally people are paying attention to it. did you know there's 86 prisoners slated for release and we just won't release them. you should be free to go, but you're not. you're not we're going to keep you anyway. to me, the most amazing number, 54 people, who with him not get a trial and not be released. so 54 people, we will
indefinitely detain without a trial, i guess i mean indefinitely forever? even if we close gitmo brought them to a super max in colorado, we're not going to give them a trial. sad day for you. >> it's not about gitmo the place. gitmo the place is what it represents. they can close gitmo. if you are held and detained until the rest of your -- until your life ends in america never having been charged never having had a chance to represent yourself in anyway, i think it's one of the great failed promises of this presidency. when we say guantanamo, that's really what we're talking about is the ability to bring charges against these people and maybe lock them up, but we lock them up with charge. cenk: see this is why i don't think we have a strong president. people get upset yada, yada, when i say that. this is how i would handle this. this is an executive decision. i'm not having a conversation with congress about this. this is the executive branch.
166 going to the super max in colorado where we have other terrorists, union in una bomber. i'm putting the terrorists next to the other terrorists. are you denigrating america that our prison guards can't handle a bunch of two bit terrorists? is that what you're saying. the 86 slated to be released are being released. i'm going to release them in yemen. if you don't like that, i'll release them in virginia. you make the call on which one it's going to be. they'll cry. i know they'll cry. if you're a strong guy, you say this is what we're doing you like it or get the hell out of my way. that is what i think the american people would respect but obama doesn't have anywhere near that backbone. >> people who criticize him for saying obama is weak, can you imagine the reverse situation where they wanted to open guantanamo and george bush was saying we want to open it, but
congress won't let us. >> did dick cheney and george bush ask could we pretty please open up this lawless land in a country we don't even own, by the way? it's madness. lee, are they ever going to release, move any of the those people and shut down gitmo before obama's turn or no way? >> maybe just before he leaves office but there's too much politics at play. one for the reason you mentioned, obama doesn't want a real fight over it and we have a money driven system. the only reason we came close to a gun criminal vote is because bloomberg dropped money on ads and advocacy. no one's running ads no special interest group pushing this issue. if folks were following it were really outraged, but there's no special interest group for these folks who are locked up and being force-fed through a tube in their nose.
cenk: it's almost as if money controls our politics. one to grow on. everybody is coming back. we're going to talk about elizabeth colbert busch. we'll talk about it when we return. guys that do reverse mortgage commercials? those types are coming on to me all the time now. (vo) she gets the comedians laughing and the thinkers thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >>and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking? this show is about being up to date, staying in touch with everything that is going on politically and putting my own nuance on it. in reality it's not like they actually care. this is purely about political grandstanding.
(vo) later tonight current tv is the place for compelling true stories. >> jack, how old are you? >> nine. >> this is what 27 tons of marijuana looks like. (vo) with award winning documentaries that take you inside the headlines, way inside. (vo) from the underworld, to the world of privilege. >> everyone in michael jackson's life was out to use him. (vo) no one brings you more documentaries that are real, gripping, current. cenk: we're back on "the young turks." now, in the first district of south carolina, we've got a very interesting special election, pitting elizabeth colbert busch against mark son ford, both famous in their own right in some ways. mark son ford was the former governor of south carolina who said he was on the population trail when he was having sex with his miss stretch in
argentina and using public funds to do so. they had a debate last night. it had some zingers. colbert busch went after him right away. >> when we talk about fiscal spending and protecting the taxpayers, it doesn't mean you take that money we saved and leave the country for a personal purpose. [ applause ] >> she went there governor. >> i couldn't hear what she said. [ laughter ] cenk: oh she went there. that was a serious elbow man. nicely done. the tape looks like it's from 1984. colbert busch then sat back as a mad rater asked his own question about the hypocrisy of mark son ford. >> you voted for the defense and to impeach president clinton for an extra marital affair.
would you vote those ways again? >> well, i -- i -- i would reverse the question to you and i would say this. do you think that president clinton should be condemned for the rest of his life based on a mistake he made in his life. cenk: no, wait a minute, you don't get to reverse that question. you're the one who wanted to impeach him why don't you answer the question. what kind of a crazy tactic was that. before the debate, they had a poll colbert busch was up and i think she did herself some favors in that debate and might have a bigger lead. favorability poll, that's an even bigger margin, 56% to 38%. back to the panel, mark thompson, jimmy dore, lee fang. first of all, can you believe that mark sanford's even back?
isn't that the most outrageous thing? >> it's like the marion berry when marion berry came back, i had the same feeling. i give him credit for reframing every question. what a great debate tactic. cenk: should you have used public money to have sex with your mistress. >> that's an interesting question. i'll turn it back at you -- wait a minute! let me read you his quote about bill clinton back in the day. he voted for impeachment and said: >> he served out his term as governor when he was caught. cenk: my god what right lee does this guy have to be even in
that debate and how mental are the primary voters that they put this guy up as their candidate there be leading probably to a loss in a very conservative district? >> i love that he tried to turn it around. i thought that was actually kind of brilliant. my friend at think progress was at the debate and told me at one point sanford brought up the affair again and said it mate him more humble and more likely to be a bipartisan leader in congress. [ laughter ] >> great stand for mr. sanford. cenk: i'm willing to screw anybody, democrats republicans doesn't matter, i'm bipartisan now. [ laughter ] cenk: this is crazy. i want to go to b12, one more byte from the debate. she was tough. she really went after the attack. here's colbert busch on the issue of honesty. >> you and i met on a number of
occasions, you said you would support trade support all of the things that we needed. in fact, you didn't tell the truth. you turned around and did the opposite. cenk: am i the only one who thinks that tape looks like it's from the 1980's? >> first thing i said when i watched it. can i make one point about the last thing we were talking about? it's so weird to see what he saw when he won the primary he brought his mistress on stage with him in front of his kids,ing thatting his mistress. it's like arnold schwarzenegger didn't go around with the maid everywhere. it was weird standing there telling us how much he loves his jesus. it just seemed wrong to me. cenk: i never thought about it that way. it's as if bill clinton then -- in the beginning it's like ok now here's jennifer flowers. people would be like are you
running with jennifer flowers are you insane? >> did you recall think that that district is going to elect a democratic? even though the polling i'm suspect, i don't think it's going to happen. i think he is going to win. cenk: one last thing. she's not as liberal as us in the sense that she says that she's for right to work, that's the anti union bills. there's that. and also, she thinks obamacare is "extremely problematic." she's got some first district of carline that in her. >> some of the biggest cheers was when she said she supports marriage quality. only the most passionate voters come out and vote. it go ahead be interesting that in south carolina. marriage equality becomes the wedge issue that wins a very
competitive democratic seat. cenk: that would be wonderfully ironic. that's a good issue she can use. you want to talk about family values. mark sanford talk to me about family values one more time. please, i'm begging you. shut up and we win on this one. when we come back, speaking of unique defenses, zimmerman is not going to use stand your ground defense. what? why? we'll have a legal expert to tell you why when we come back.
to me now? you know the kind of guys that do reverse mortgage commercials? those types are coming on to me all the time now. (vo) she gets the comedians laughing and the thinkers thinking. the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >>and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking? cenk: we're back on "the young turks." now, you remember the george zimmerman-trayvon martin story george zimmerman was the self appointed guard in that little community when trayvon martin was getting ask iles and zimmerman wound up shooting trayvon martin and he died. his trial is beginning. everyone believed he was going
to do stand your ground defense in florida which is oftentimes successful. hit first shot would have been to do a hearing with the judge. it turned out he said no, i don't want that hearing. let's take a look here. >> do you consent to counsel's decision to not file a pretrial immunity motion and consent to not requesting a pretrial immunity hearing. >> yes. >> is it your decision not to file the motion? >> yes. >> is it your decision not to have a pretrial immunity hearing? is it your decision not to have a pretrial immunity hearing? >> after consultation with my counsel, yes. cenk: so why in the world did he do that? we've got our panel back and a legal expert, robin sachs.
robin, why? >> my only guess is that mark namara who has been able to get a sense of zimmerman and how he would present to a judge and how much information is thinking you know what, i think you've got one shot at this and his best shot is going to be in front of a jury. cenk: let me get that right. just because he's not using it now doesn't mean he cannot use it in trial with a jury? >> right. the ideal thing and strategy and why everyone would think he would have done the stand your ground hearing now is he would have had two bites of the apple. if he loses to a judge he goes to jury. he decided not to go to judge first because he doesn't want to give the transcript of his statements, because he would have to testify to the prosecutors in advance and it's very unlikely that a judge is going to grant the motion based on public pressure alone. cenk: that's interesting. what percentage of the time do
they win on a stand your ground defense in florida. cenk: in looking at stand your ground about 60% of the time. it's a great way to go. i mean, that's the way that most people seem to do it partially winning, because most judges, prosecutors, and all of the people around the legal system in florida don't seem to understand the law so i think that's one of the other risks that mark omara has. cenk: mark omara must think his client has very little chance of succeeding stand your ground initially and two that his client is a bit of an idiot and can get himself into a lot of trouble. as an attorney, i say let's take two shots at it, maybe we have a judge who says hey yeah, you win 60% of the time in front of the judge. i know it's media pressure, but still. >> you can't just throw it away because this is unprecedented media pressure, social media
pressure. look at how the prosecution is grand standing when the initial charges were filed. it's been a pull at your heart strings with websites and twitter feeds and funds and all kinds of stuff. nothing about this case is normal. we can have all the odds and take it to vegas. cenk: if he's going to do stand your ground later during the trial with the jury, he's going to have to testify. >> most likely. there are no witnesses the only person you have is the other person on the other end of tray john's phone. he's going to say i feared my life is in danger. they're going to want to hear what he was thinking. he's the only person that can shed light. >> maybe hearing from him is not such a great play. apparently hearing from him obviously this is a forum you can't extinguish yourself in any great way, but they've decided that the judge shouldn't hear from him. makes me think he might be a
huge underdog to be able to prevail in a jury trial. >> the one thing you to have keep in mind, in a jury trial for criminal trials is that you need a unanimous verdict. all 12 jurors have to agree. one person who disagrees can hang the whole thing up. that's exactly when the defense is trying to do, look for the one ding dong, one person who can't make a decision, one sympathetic person. they don't need a slam dunk. >> i say we don't judge george zimmerman until you walk a mile in his shoes and kill an unarmed black kid. looks like zimmerman has loaded up on the cassius since he was arrested. cenk: at first i thought he was in prison. i thought what kind of prison food do they have and why aren't you working out but he's out. >> he's stuck at home, electronic monitoring. he can't go anywhere. what else is there to do.
cenk: no popeyes fried chicken nearby. >> we've got to move along. amanda max has said they're going to try her again. is she going to go back to italy? here's a news report. she got interviewed. >> i was in the courtroom when they were calling me a devil. i mean, it's one thing to be called certain things in the media, and then another thing to be sitting in a courtroom fighting for your life, while people are calling you a devil. for all in tents and purposes, i was a murderer, whether i was or not. i had to live with the idea that that would be my life. cenk: before we get to the legal
matters, can we all agree that nobody would be having this conversation if she was an unattractive middle age man? >> is she hotter than jodie arias or not. cenk: i don't think either are that hot. they are mildly attractive, not idiot looking and you're a woman and involved in some murder case, we have to cover it non-stop. >> there was sex involved. >> is there any better person to be interviewed by than diane sawyer she's so oozing empathy and sympathy, that she never gets a question out. >> sounds like she's drinking. >> is she going back to italy? cenk: robin. >> the reason why she's on diane sawyer, she just released a book and got a $4 million book deal.
>> why aren't i a hot girl that killed somebody? >> meredith kurcher from britain, i don't understand why her family hasn't filed a lawsuit to get their hands on that cash. that's a separate issue. right now the supreme court in italy ruled that they wanted to overturn her acquittal which is something you never would hear about her and ordered her to stand trial again or ordered to new trial. i doubt we'll see her go there. cenk: she'd be insane to go back. i wouldn't go back. i have no idea whether she did or didn't do it, there's no way i would go back. >> she'd have to go underground? >> we do have extradition treaty. some people say the united states is not going to send one of their own back to a country where it would be they are subject to being tried again.
double jeopardy would protect you from being tried again. another camp of people say listen, because of the laws of italy are different and we have a treaty with italy with significant evidence, we could have to have her be sent back. cenk: i have the answer. take some of the $4 million, use it on attorneys to go to italy for you and sit back and never go to italy again. >> interpoll will have a warrant out for her. cenk: no more duesseldorf. thanks for chipping in in this segment. when we come back, the koch brothers are trying to buy some of of the biggest newspapers in the country. lee is going to tell us what a disaster that is.
supreme court justices, politicians. three years ago, they were in aspen, colorado. they wanted to educate activists, influence politics, really? i didn't see that coming. number three, give voice to conservatives in media. in other words in fact, media and lo and behold, they are one of the leading candidates to buy the tribune company. they own the los angeles times chicago tribune baltimore sun orlando sentinel and hartford courant. asking price $8 billion overall there goes a huge chunk of our newspaper industry in this country. now, of course, we've got a panel here, mark, jimmy lee and look at this, caspar the friendly hostess.
lee, you wrote about this. tell me why this might be problematic. >> i know a little bit more about this than amanda knox. i'll try. koch industries are saying they're going to respect the journalistic independence. if history is the judge that might not be the case. they politicize everything they touch, one of the first big companies to encourage their employees to vote republican. they give nine universities, but unlike other donors they will universities which faculty to hire and research to use. they have a pledge that they give to poll advertises, most republicans of signed it saying basically they won't address climate change. we to have approach the subject of, you know, them respecting journalistic independence with a little bit of skepticism. >> anna, you were involved in an event where there was a debate
whether they would influence editorials at the l.a. times. >> there was an employee working with the times making the argument it's not like the koch brothers are going to be in the newsroom telling us what we can and can't report on. that has to be the most any i've viewpoint. the only time they ever mentioned the media was having their summit with other conservatives saying we need to make sure conservatives have a voice in the media, in other words we have to make sure our prop began at a seeps to the media. they don't care about journalistic integrity or ethics. this is all about propaganda. cenk: when you went to go do professorships normally a donor says i'm a good guy going to do money to the university, doing it for my ego you put my name
on a building, pick the professor. the koch brothers are saying we pick the professor and tell them what to say. you think those guys aren't going to tell the people in the newsroom what to say? radio, t.v., on line, they're not the main collectors of news, the newspapers are the main collector of noose. if these guys buy a huge chunk of newspapers in the country we don't know what is and isn't true. >> murdoch owned newspapers and then was buying up television facilities. it was really wrong. at the same time, there was a microsoft decision anti trust thing going on and nobody paid attention. this country has rich guys buying papers, but the key thing is these guys are going to make sure that everyi is dotted and
t. crossed. >> los angeles times has led the way in koch influence. they had a story showing david koch showed up on the very first day of the tea party congress, that was the first day i interviewed him. before i spoke to him. he went in the speaker's office, congratulating i would assume speaker boehner, meeting with energy and commerce committee that a lot of that money had flowed to newly elected republicans to appeal environmental regulations. what happens after the purchase? isn't there a conflict of interest. cenk: they broke a great story about outside money breaking into two ballot initiatives in california, that money connected to the koch brothers. you think they're going to buy the paper and say yeah, continue to report on my illegal activities. >> my paper got me again. cenk: not going to happen. one important fact, the guy
selling it, the original owner went bankrupt. so now the people who own it are j.p. morgan chase and two hedge funds. they're not going to give a damn about newspaper and editorial integrity. they'll be like koch brothers are paying more, take it. >> they're going to care what's in that newspaper as the private equity company that bought the twinkie cared what was inside it. you talk about rich guys buying newspapers cancer patients, aids patients, sick people are all paying for william randolph hearst making marijuana illegal. cenk: they're not buying the chicago tribune because they're interested in profit. these newspapers are bleeding money. they're buying it for the prop began at a marketing. i got to leave it there. we've got jason collins first
interview, watershed moment. we'll discuss it when we come back. >> jack, how old are you? >> nine. >> this is what 27 tons of marijuana looks like. (vo) with award winning documentaries that take you inside the headlines, way inside. (vo) from the underworld, to the world of privilege. >> everyone in michael jackson's life was out to use him. (vo) no one brings you more documentaries that are real, gripping, current.
you know who is coming on to me now? you know the kind of guys that do reverse mortgage commercials? those types are coming on to me all the time now. (vo) she gets the comedians laughing and the thinkers thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >>and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking?
cenk: back on "the young turks." jason collins came out yesterday as the first out gay player in any major professional sports in america. it was a water shed moment. >> jason collins has shaken up the world are major u.s. sports shattering one of the final barriers with these words: i'm an nba center, i'm black and gay. >> i'm now the happiest i've ever been in my life. the huge weight has been lifted. >> he is the first active player in major team sports to come out of the closet. he spoke with good morning america. >> what was the tipping point? >> really, once you tell your
parents and their response is positive, you know, the rest is downhill after that. cenk: i feel like if i told my parents i made millions in the nba, do you mind if i'm gay? nah, fine, go for it. there was of course wide reaction from the nba. >> he seems like a terrific young man and i told him i couldn't be prouder. >> he's a good guy a great teammate. >> he's a good guy and i'm certainly praying for him. cenk: president obama obviously not in the public, but the other two are, a player and coach. mark jackson leading golden state, doing great in the playoffs. then we go on to chris brassard, an analyst for espn. he got all religious on us. let's watch this.
>> if you're openly living that type of lifestyle the bible says that is a sin. if you're openly living in unrepentant 16 adultery, 14 nation premarital sex whatever it may be, i believe that's walking in open rebellion to god. cenk: all right mark, jimmy lee, first of all i used to want to respect the religious opinions, because a huge portion of the country members of my family are religious, so i want to be open to them, but i can't because they're wrong. they're wrong about their own religion. leviticus says you can't eat shrimp. anthony nunez came out and said i seat shrimp. premarital sex, the whole nba is
not living in obedience to god. they want to hate gay people. >> it would be nice if christians were in the closet with their christianty once in a while. this would be a good case for that. this really is true. my theory is that the silence screams the loudest. this guy feels urges. cenk: brassard. >> yes you don't care. the only reason he cares is he shouldn't be able to get away with it if i'm not getting away with it. it's like he went on in that interview to talk about some of the players might have a problem in the showers and stuff. really, that's what you're afraid some with him pee gay guy is going to come over, oh, please stop. please don't stop, that's what he's all about. >> jimmy has got a whole scenario built. it's kind of a default position
of the shower situation is going to be rough. that's sort of the day to day default position, but of course, it's ridiculous, just like the bible is just to cloak what is gay-bashing in religion. cenk: lee, is it now just not acceptable to quote the bible? people will flip out over there because if you do, i'll quote seven verses you're all violating and then we should all go to hell together. >> i wish more folks used that defense. i read him on twitter today listening to them in my ear piece just now he sounded more like the west borrow baptist church. he didn't sound convincing. once the opposition to marriage equality starts becoming to this fringe position, they're part of the dinosaurs. everyone's evolving. cenk: it looks like the reaction overall has been 98% positive, isn't that the good news? >> people are forget be martina
navritolova when she came out years ago the crowd and press hated her. she lost her endorsements. why wouldn't you want to buy a pair of shoes because she's gay. >> you could argue that she was coming out in a lets gutsy way. there was rumor for a long time that there were a lot of women on the tennis tour that were gay. cenk: that was 30 years ago. it was more courageous from that sense. jason collins said she's my hero mentioned her and said that's my role model. cenk: the president didn't call her and tell her he was proud of her. cenk: in a way i know this is weird, but i feel somebody should have stepped up and raised their hand earlier. you know like it's been too long when somebody finally raises their hand and everybody says great, fantastic. >> such a high stakes game. >> it is, it's about money too.
if people rallied to martina's support, they worried the women's tennis tour might have lost support. in other words, it's about money, as well. cenk: the final point is nike actually now giving a contract to a lesbian basketball player. they couldn't wait to play to get part of the gay market buying their sneakers. >> it is unfair, contain shower with women that i'm attracted to without paying a cover charge? cenk: it's an interesting concept. we'll debate that later. jimmy dore, mark thompson, lee fang. we'll come back with one final point. real immigration reform? >> ...and a distinctly satirical point of view. >> but you mentioned "great leadership" so i want to talk about donald rumsfeld. >> (laughter). >> watch the show.
. >> john: good evening, president obama held a press conference today where he made a strong forceful statement that he might possibly conceivably close down guantanamo bay prison maybe, perhaps, one of these days, we'll see. it could happen. while, according to the neocons president obama is a weak leader because the man just doesn't have the will to turn syria into a full-blown american military quagmire. jason collins came out as gay and is receiving warm wishes of support from most americans, in other words our country has never been more immoral. hey, today's the birthday of oscar winning filmmaker james campion,