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losers to the president's dishonest media award. >> and the mega morning deals. >> what if the world comes to an end? >> see you tomorrow. >> oh, brian. >> bill: thanks, guys, good morning, everybody. watch the clock because it is ticking. there is a couple of days to go. president trump and congress racing to iron out an immigration deal and keep the o. two big items on the agenda as we say good morning midweek on wednesday. bill hemmer live inside of "america's newsroom." how are you doing? >> sandra: here we go. beware of ice is my lesson of the morning. i'm sandra smith. lawmakers working out a deal as both sides dig themselves in. republicans want border security, stricter immigration reform. democrats want to protect the dreamers. another busy day in washington >> thank you very much. thank you very much.
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>> what he was referencing from a merit-based perspective we would like to have those with skills who can assimilate and contribute to the united states. moving away from country quotas and merit-based system. >> it has turned into an s show and we need to get back to being a great country where democrats and republicans will work together to do something that we should have done years ago. >> republicans are in control of the house and the senate and the white house. it is their decision if they want to work with us. >> we don't want to see the government shutdown but would like to see a two-year budget deal that's clean. we haven't given up on that and we hope that democrats will not hold our government hostage and will not stop military spending. >> sandra: peter doocy is live for us on a chilly day in washington peter are republicans trying to win over democratic support to
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keep the government open? >> no, sandra, they're trying to do it with republicans only. the leaders are attempting to sweeten this one month of additional government funding. by adding six years of funding for the children's health insurance program and delaying obamacare medical device tax. because they don't plan to touch daca in the next couple days some conservatives think their own leaders are laying the ground work for an unfavorable immigration deal next month and the house caucus thinks they can -- >> i will say based on the number of no and undecided votes there is not enough votes for a republican-only bill that would reach to 18 threshold without convincing some of our members to switch their position. they're either undecided or no to yes. >> this morning the white house
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legislative director warned his colleagues on capitol hill a shutdown would make them look bad but seems to sympathize with their stance. >> there is a sense if republicans control the house, senate, white house they'll get blamed. the reality is if democrats are the ones that have a lot of power here and they are, as you say, holding american people and the government hostage in order to get demands that they want on daca. >> democrats are already saying republicans control every branch of government so if they can't keep it open it's their fault. >> sandra: peter, would democrats vote on this short-term bill if they could get daca next month? >> no, doesn't sound like it. the house democratic whip is saying even if there is a short-term couple weeks long government funding bill he wants daca attached. chuck schumer is saying they tried to negotiate an immigration bill with republicans but the president
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didn't like it. >> it's not the bill we would have written if we were in charge. but that is not the situation we find ourselves in. to make this body work, to avoid a shutdown, we must compromise. >> republican lawmakers have until friday night how to keep the government open and right now a meeting is beginning behind me across the street from the house office building to see where things stand this morning. >> sandra: that deadline quickly approaching. thank you. meanwhile the justice department now fighting back asking the supreme court to review a lower court's daca decision. last week a federal judge blocked the trump administration from denying work permits to applicants who entered the u.s. illegally when they were children. the administration is also appealing the ruling to the court of appeals at the same time as it asks the high court to get involved. >> bill: five minutes past. steve bannon speaking with the house intelligence committee
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for a long time yesterday and he is expected to go back for round two tomorrow. meanwhile that same panel will talk with trump campaign manager corey lewandowski. trey gowdy. i heard you say last night steve bannon was using a tortured version of executive privilege. >> he was there for 12 hours. >> bill: i imagine you talked about something. >> we spent the first half of the day trying to understand what in the world he was talking about with executive privilege. his version of executive privilege is it covers the transition, the time he was at the white house and covers time forever. that's no one's definition. we spent several hours trying to figure out what he was talking about and then in the afternoon we had to dodge around the three categories that are apparently off limits.
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this is the same person who accused two of the president's family members of committing treasonous acts. of course we'll want to cross-examine him on what he thinks was treasonous, if everything is off limits that's a really short conversation. >> bill: i take it you asked him about the truth and his comment and he didn't answer it. >> that's the beauty of it. he answered it initially and his lawyer didn't like that he answered it and he clammed up. it is a reasonable, legitimate question. if you accuse somebody of a crime for which you can be put to death, what is your evidence for that? i don't know anyone who wouldn't ask that question. he started to answer it and then his lawyers got involved and that usually messes up almost everything and that's why we were there for a long time yesterday but we'll have to go back tomorrow. >> bill: you sound frustrated. do i have that right? >> i am frustrated whenever people assert privileges that do not exist. and i am really frustrated when
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witnesses have all the time in the world to talk to the media on and off the record and they can help people write books but they can't talk to the representatives elected by their fellow citizens. he is okay to tell an author but not members of congress when he is pressed on it. i don't know of any privilege that lets you pick and choose who you answer questions for. >> bill: any reason to expect there is a difference tomorrow? did you settle any ground rules late yesterday that would indicate that would be different on thursday? >> there is one thing that can fix it. the white house instructs steve bannon we aren't asserting executive privilege. we're telling you to answer all the questions congress asks. that could fix it in a nanosecond. if the white house would say answer their questions. >> bill: have you found evidence of collusion? >> no, sir, we're not through yet. some of my colleagues have already made up their minds,
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adam schiff found collusion before we started. so i'm not sure how you do that but he did it. i have seen no evidence of collusion between the president and the russians, the president's campaign and the russians. but we still have more interviews to do. >> bill: corey lewandowski appears today. do you expect him to have the same posture as steve bannon? >> i hope not. all we're doing is delaying. keep in mind the president and some of his supporters want congress to hurry up and conclude these investigations. so do i. the best way to do that is instruct witnesses to answer our questions instead of the charade of executive privilege. >> bill: why is there a witness important? >> a high level f.b.i. official who served under jim comey and currently serves and we're looking at all the decisions that the department of justice and f.b.i. made in 2016 and he is a key part of that.
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this time last year the democrats wanted jim comey prosecuted for a hatch act violation. they want him on mount rushmore. this time last year they wanted him prosecuted. there are questions made by the department of justice in 2016. the democrats have stopped asking their questions and we haven't. >> bill: was this man part of reporting or drafting the letter that exonerated hillary clinton? >> he was copied on it. and the only way to know whether or not he played a meaningful role in drafting it is to interview him which is what we'll do tomorrow. he was certainly copied on the drafts. so we need to know did you participate in the editing and is there also a prosecution version of that memo? we've seen the exoneration version two months before they concluded the investigation. is there also a separate memo where you lay out the theory upon which he could be
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prosecuted because if there is not and i don't think there is, then you made up your mind two months before you even interviewed the target of the investigation which is really hard to believe. >> bill: thank you for your time. get back to work in washington you're welcome to come back here any time. thank you. one of the big allegations last night if you saw trey gowdy with tucker he thinks democrats are dragging it out and he believes the media is partly responsible for this. we'll debate all this over the next couple of hours. >> sandra: stunning new report revealing that three out of the four people convicted for terrorism in the u.s. had been foreign born in 2017 alone. dhs had 2,554 encounters with individuals on the terrorist watch list who were attempting to travel to the united states. that equates to seven terrorists a day, 50 a week. >> sandra: president trump seizing on that report as a
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reason that democrats must come to the table and tighten our immigration program. senator mike lee joins us on that and much more. plus did you catch this yesterday? >> how a guy who eats mcdonalds and all the diet coax and never exercises is in as good a shape as you say he is. >> genetics. >> bill: the doctor getting hammered by reporters after giving the president an excellent bill of health. are some media outlets going out of their way to talk about his health? >> sandra: breaking news on the search for answers on two deadly collisions at sea. why two top commanders could face criminal charges later today. things are getting hairy, i can call or chat with an expert. so, no matter what, i know i'm making the best financial decision. do you live in a tree house or what? rocket mortgage by quicken loans.
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born. this report unfortunately is likely just the tip of the iceberg. >> bill: there you have homeland security secretary on capitol hill yesterday pointing out the findings in a recent report making a point of terrorism as it relates to immigration. mike lee with me now. good day to you. a couple of topics to get to. thank you for your time. what do you think that does to the argument that the president is making about chain migration and ending the visa lottery and programs like that? they've been law for years now, sir. >> certainly think it's worth considering in the context of a discussion focusing on who we are wanting to bring into this country. when we look at our immigration laws moving forward, who are the people who are most likely to fit into the united states who are most likely to become citizens who will contribute to the american experience, who share our commitment to the rule of law? these are things that are worth considering and a merit-based immigration system is
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definitely something that will be under discussion. >> bill: do you think a deal on daca is to be made with this congress? >> i think something is likely to happen in this area. the trick here is to find something that makes sure we bring about an end to the underlying problem. we want to fix it in the sense we don't want people to be punished for having been brought here years or decades ago when they were children and sometimes in some cases when they were infants by no choice of their own. at the same time we want to fix it that doesn't encourage more people to do it in the future leading to more victimization. i think a deal is to be had. we have to address border security and that also deals with our aging visa system. that's out of date and needs to be updated. >> bill: a lot of work going ahead for you. a lot of people let's see whether or not you can get a deal. you were a no vote late last
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night on the fisa law foreign intelligence surveillance act section 702. you've been railing against this idea for a long time and still a no vote. depiet the changes and reforms they made in the law. how come, senator? >> i voted against bringing debate to a close last night because they haven't brought about adequate changes to section 702. neither i nor senator paul nor senator wyden and leahy or any others who voted no last night want to end section 702. that's not what this is about. we want to make sure it can't be abused, that it can't be used to bring about illegal back door searches on american citizens. right now and as the law has been amended in this most recent iteration, it has a loophole in it for which you can drive a mack truck and 747 and airbus. it is not an adequate protection for the american people. >> bill: do you believe this
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law has been abused? and what example would you give? >> i believe that it's entirely possible it could be abused. i have no proof of any particular instance in which it has happened. there are those who think it may have. my point is we know at some point in the future it will be abused if we don't put adequate protections in place. a few years ago the senate said about the time of a review intelligence gathering agencies had been used to engage in political espionage. we have to make sure our laws are as tight as possible so they don't happen as often as they would otherwise. >> bill: senator rand paul used two examples. he suggested perhaps in the future the government could use this database, if you violate paying your own taxes or if you are in violation of a marijuana charge. do you see those two examples as practical concerns that everyday americans should have
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about security and privacy? >> i think every american is concerned about their privacy. every american ought to be concerned about the fact that someone could be targeted on the basis of unpopular political beliefs at some point in the future. this is the reason why we have the fourth amendment and why we're a country and don't fly the union jack. we believe in privacy and we believe that our privacy is not at odds with our security. our security and our privacy are part of the same thing. >> bill: fewer americans will be caught up in searches is what the proponents of the law say is changing now and also saying requires reforms the way intelligence services collect the contents and how they store that electronic information. clearly that's not good enough for you. >> no it's not. look, some of these protections apply only with respect to a case where there is a predicated investigation. there are many stages of investigations at which those restrictions wouldn't apply. that's why i say this creates a
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loophole that's a mile wide and there are reforms. reforms that would still protect the american people from those who want to harm us. but those reforms didn't even have a chance to be voted on and i think it's unfortunate. >> bill: i hope you come back. mike lee is the republican from utah and hot on this issue for some time. thank you for sharing some time with us today. >> sandra: a former c.i.a. agent charged for spying for china accused of leaking top secret information including the real names of undercover agents. how the department of justice uncovered his crimes. >> bill: also president trump calling for more border security. already a big challenge on that plan. tell you what's behind the manpower crisis at the border patrol agency. >> doesn't matter why they crossed or for what purpose they came here. what they did was illegal and we're paid to uphold the law.
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>> bill: two navy commanders facing criminal charges after two sailors died after the mccain collided with a tanker in august. seven were killed on the uss fitzgerald when it hit a commercial ship in june. the commanders of both ships are being charged with negligent homicide. >> sandra: a former cia office under arrest accused of illegally retaining classified information and reportedly leaking that information to china. doug mcelway joins us live from washington it appears, doug, the bureau has been tracking this former agent for a number of years now. >> their investigation of 53-year-old jerry chun shing lee began as early as 2012, six years ago. it was then the cia retiree had
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traveled to the united states from his home in hong kong with a three day stop in honolulu. in hawaii and virginia f.b.i. agents entered his hotel rooms, searched through suitcases and photographed two small notebooks with 49 pages of handwritten entries that contained top secret information including the locations, telephone numbers and real names of c.i.a. informants and undercover agents in kind yeah. it was the same information that chun shing lee was privy to before he retired from the c.i.a. in 2007. it appears that information was provided to chinese authorities who then began the process of disassembling the c.i.a.'s u.s. human intelligence network in china. "the new york times" today said the collapse of the spy network was one of the worst intelligence failures in recent years. lee was arrested on monday and made his first appearance in brooklyn federal court tuesday
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and awaiting transfer to federal court in virginia. >> sandra: why did authorities wait so long to arrest this retired c.i.a. agent when they knew what he was up to six years ago? >> that's a question for former c.i.a. director john brennan who was in charge of the agency at the time this was going on. we can only speculate it may be that the damage was done by the time the c.i.a. began to see its undercover operations in china fall apart and once compromised they trailed him in an effort to find out who his contacts were to infiltrate his operation and we know he knew he was being trailed. the f.b.i. interviewed him on five occasions between may and june of 2013 during which he never acknowledged possession of the notebooks with all that classified information. >> sandra: thank you. >> bill: there were disturbing new details emerging from a home in southern california. what police found when they arrived at the scene there. plus this today.
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>> data indicates the president is currently very healthy and will remain so for the duration of his presidency. >> sandra: the white house doctor telling reporters the president is in excellent health. but many of them not accepting his diagnosis. our panel takes up the debate. but first here is eric trump on his father's health. >> the question does he eat ice cream? this is insane. where is the coverage of the economy at 26,000. where is the coverage of unemployment being the lowest ever? ...isn't it time to let the real you shine through? maybe it's time for otezla (apremilast). otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable after just 4 months,... ...with reduced redness,... ...thickness, and scaliness of plaques. and the otezla prescribing information has... ...no requirement for routine lab monitoring.
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>> bill: 9:31 in new york. new details emerging inside the home in southern california after a 17-year-old girl escaped and provided evidence to police of the conditions inside that home. she and her 12 siblings would still be suffering. police finding the home is used by the parents of 13 social service directly applauding that girl's bravery just
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yesterday. listen. >> i am immensely grateful for the young child being willing to make that call to 911. otherwise we would not have had the opportunity to intervene. and we want to highlight the importance the community plays in providing us with information about abuse and neglect. >> bill: as police continue to sift through that evidence the parents shown here david and louise turpin remain in jail on $9 million bail facing charges of torture and child endangerment. >> sandra: president donald trump getting a clean bill of health from the white house doctor. mr. trump even taking an unrequired cognitive exam which he also passed. but that was not good enough for all those reporters in the room who continued to grill the doctor for an hour during a q & a session. listen. >> he continues to enjoy the significant long term cardiac
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and health benefits that come from a lifetime of abstinence from tobacco and alcohol. he would benefit from a diet lower in fat and carbohydrates and exercise rej im. the president is currently very healthy and will remain so during the duration of his presidency. >> the president appeared to slur his words during an address. did you look into what the cause of that might have been? >> he would be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency. do you agree with that assessment? >> a guy who eats mcdonalds and diet coax and never exercises is in as good a shape as you say he is in. >> sandra: let's bring in our panel dr. marc siegel professor of medicine and fox news contributor. brad blakeman a former assistant to george w. bush and richard fowler is fox news contributor and radio host. i heard you sighing.
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a doctor stood up. the white house doctor gave the president a clean bill of health but they were relentless with their questions. >> first of all dr. jackson is an emergency room physician, served in iraq and a trauma unit in iraq, president obama's doctor and worked with president bush as well. as nonpartisan as they come. he talked for an hour and all these questions. he said his heart is in great shape. extensive stress test, cat scan of the chest. echo cardiogram and submitted to a cognitive assessment test. >> sandra: the president volunteered. >> he scored 30 out of 30 at the age of 71. i don't think i could do that. then the most thing of all the psychiatric assessment. the doctor gave a smart answer. i spend almost every day with the president. you know how you assess psychiatric behavior? spending time with something. not something you can test. he put his own reputation on the line here and i think that he did -- the media is doing a
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real disservice to people with real mental illness and real cognitive issues and dementia by targeting the president and making it a dimin itionment. when you look at members of the media in the room. an hour long those questions went. the president did said go out there and answer all their questions. it appeared the members of the media were disappointed what they found. >> there is no doubt. they looked absolutely perplexed and beside themselves and were peppering the doctor for an hour with questions. are you sure he is okay? are these levels correct? did the president tell you to say anything that you shouldn't say to us? are you prohibited from reporting things? the doctor laid it all out. after working for several presidents, this is unprecedented. usually a one-page document at best is turned out to the media
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after the presidential physical and it is very generic. the president is in good health and he will have another exam next year. the fact that they went before the cameras and answered every question to exhaustion to a dissatisfied press corps is something telling. the doctor hit it on the head. it isn't the kind of thing the president should have to go through. >> sandra: most of those reporters seemed upset they weren't able to get anything on this president. was this a good strategy for president trump? >> i think it was a good strategy for the president. a press conference to answer every question possible puts the issue to bed. doesn't mean he will stop tweeting, no or stop acting erratic? probably not. he is in good health he needs to ease off the cheeseburgers and diet cokes, i think it was a good move by the white house. this is a bright spot in what has been a really bad weekend and overall bad week for the
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president given what he said last week in the oval office and the likely government shutdown coming at the end of this week. the president gets a good mark for this particular performance. >> sandra: it's interesting, doctor, in your piece you go on to say the president just based on his history, lack of alcohol use, cigarette smoking, vigor on the golf course could have predicted the outcome of this medical testing. >> add to that low blood pressure and hope for americans out there who maybe don't exercise enough or don't eat right. you can still improve and -- which is what dr. jackson said president trump should do. start walking the golf course, get rid of the golf cart. lose some weight, improve your diet. already with your genetics, low blood pressure and cholesterol and not smoking and not drinking you're ahead of the curves. the last two presidents exercised vigorously. in the meantime for those couch
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potatoes out there it's a good moment. >> sandra: i do believe he was asked in that room yesterday, brad, by one of the reporters the doctor was asked is he the healthiest president ever to live? the doctor declined to compare him to any previous president's health. does this put the issue over the president's health to rest, brad? >> it should. this exhaustive report on the president including diagnostics should absolutely put it to bed. if anything, i would challenge any reporter in that room to take the same kind of test that the president went through even half his age and try and get the kind of scores this president did. if i were the president today i would take the entire press corps to mcdonald and have a super size meal as a thank you for their behavior yesterday. >> the only thing i'll add to that. the reason why the press corps was chomping at the bit
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released a statement saying he is the healthiest president that ever lived which is why people in the press corps sort of gave this health report a side eye. they no longer have to do that. a doctor has said the president is healthy. now we can focus on the fact he tweets too much and drinks too many diet cokes. >> sandra: i'll leave this with you, doctor, put this to rest. is there anything you learned yesterday in the report on the cognitive and physical side of this president, anything left that concerns you? >> he needs a little more vitamin d. he has to lower his cholesterol further and exercise. what i learned, you have this physician trained in iraq in the iraq theater. there is nobody that you could point to that's more credentialed to be doing this and he is grilled for over an hour? that was deeply disturbing and it is time for the media to cut that out. this is an embarrassing moment for the news media. >> sandra: good discussion, guys. thanks to all of you for being here.
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>> bill: i like brad's idea. straight to kfc, original recipe. all right now the markets are open and we're in rare fine air. check it out 9:40 in new york. the dow hitting 26,000 yesterday. so what about today and how long can this last? we'll check that out with marie in a moment plus there is this today. >> sandra: a shoot-out with police in baltimore caught on camera and showing what our brave men and women in blue deal with in the field. what led to this fire fight. >> bill: remarkable, larry nasser accused of sexual abuse by more than 100 young girls. we're hearing from some of the victims speaking out in court about their case. >> perhaps you figured it out by now, little girls don't stay little forever. they grow into strong women
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>> sandra: emotional impact statements continuing today in a michigan courtroom. victims speaking out about sexual abuse at the hands of usa gymnastics team dr. larry nasser. he pled guilty in november to seven counts of criminal sexual misconduct and some of those girls are now testifying against him. >> i have looked into my parents' heart and eyes, seeing their pain from now knowing that their only child was molested right in front of them in the same room. i listened to you tell me no one should ever do that and if they do, you should tell someone. well, larry, i'm here not to tell someone, but to tell everyone. >> gymnasts are among the
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accusers. mckaley mall rowney. the organization says it will waive a $100,000 fine if she wants to speak at nasser's sentencing. >> bill: check this out on wall street. we're back yet again knocking on the door of 26,000 for the dow surging yesterday for the first time in what we call rarified financial air. closed below, though, that mark. dropped 300 points just before the close. maria bartiromo. how are you doing and good morning to you? here is what i want to know. we're going up, up, up. what stops this bull run? >> a lot of momentum in the market, bill. i think when you see a decline that you saw yesterday you have to respect that kind of decline. you have to say okay, what changed here? what's going on? why did we drop at the end of the day? it could be the 26,000 is representing some resistance
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for this market and there is no question that this market has been going nowhere but straight up since the election. you would expect to see some pullback at some point. i wouldn't be surprised to go up toward 26,000, come back, go up, come back. we need more evidence that the growth is there in terms of earnings and what this tax bill is going to provide. >> bill: the tax bill, earnings, all that, too. there is the threat of a government shutdown. historically that really is a drag on the markets. i assume they are listening on that and so, too is washington >> when you have resistance and a feeling this market has gone up as much as it has people look for excuses. the government shutdown may very well be one excuse to se. another excuse to sell. this is important for our viewers to keep an eye on, a lot of supply in this market. the capital markets, there is action once again. there will be mergers and acquisitions and ipo. secondary official. when you get more supply, more deals coming to market and you
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don't have any more demand, supply and demand, easy stuff. you also want to look at the supply coming to the market. this government shutdown if we were to see it is a perfect excuse to say i've made 7 1/2 trillion since the election. let me take chips off the table. >> bill: watch this. jobs and unemployment. the president was touting minority employment in america today he said this yesterday. >> black unemployment is the best it's ever been in recorded history. it's been fantastic and it is the best number we've had with respect to black unemployment. we've never seen anything even close. we're very honored by that and our country is doing very well. >> we did our research. here is what we found. unemployment statistics for 2017 december, 6.8% for african-americans. hispanics same month, same year, 4.9%.
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>> wow. these are very good numbers, bill. it's an indication of what is really going on in the economy. when you look at markets, what is driving markets really are the fundamentals. as long as we have a fundamental story in place like the lowest level of black unemployment we've seen in so long, like job creation, two million over the last year you'll continue to see profits rise and that is going to be a pretty good bid under the market. even if we were to see a decline, there is some resistance here. longer term you look at things like you just showed, the minority unemployment, job creation in general, earnings growth, that ultimately supports longer-term stocks. we are right now in the middle of the fourth quarter earnings season. before this tax legislation passed people were looking for growth in earnings of 11% for 2018. because of the tax plan they're adding on another 12%. we're looking at a story in 2018 of earnings growth of 23%. that's high. >> bill: incredible.
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general motors came out with good news yesterday as well what they think in the forecast for the next two years' time. >> the auto sector is doing very well. >> i think about supply and demand and you talk about immigration reform and the need for labor in america. i'm starting to hear these construction companies say you know what? we're looking for employees. i think the danger there -- that could really undercut a lot of this growth right now if you need to pay employees a lot more money because that's going to drive up costs. >> good point and exactly the conversation we'll have over the next year. inflation and wages. how hot is too hot? >> bill: 26,000 is pretty hot for now. thank you, maria. see you tomorrow morning on fox news. here is sandra. >> sandra: all right. ann curry giving her first sit-down interview since leaving nbc. what she is saying about matt lauer and the accusations that led him to be fired.
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>> bill: also president trump wanting to beef up border security. the agency that pennsylvania -- patrols the border is finding it difficult to keep people on the job. >> at the end of the day from my perspective i would rather the jump seat next to me be empty than have an individual that is potentially corrupt.
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>> sandra: president trump calling for more border security as part of his immigration plan but fox news is learning about a potential manpower crisis for the border patrol which is losing twice as many agents as it hires. we're live in arizona with more. >> you know, security at the border may begin with a wall. that's because whenever the
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agency erects a fence it reduces illegal immigration. now the challenge for the agency is attracting the manpower to back it up. >> the extreme nature appealed to me. >> raised in a small indiana town he joined the border patrol two years ago. >> stopping people from crossing the border and the secondary aspect of stopping narcotics appealed to me. >> after six months at the academy the agency sent him to arizona. >> it doesn't matter why they cross or for what purpose they came here, what they did was illegal and we're paid to uphold the law. >> finding the next one for a border patrol. the patrol is down 1800 agents and the president wants 5,000 more. 65% fail the polygraph. hiring one agent takes 133 applicants and nine months. >> in many cases we are going after the same applicants that a lot of law enforcement
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agencies are. >> hiring knew agents is one problem. keeping experienced ones is another. >> it is an employment crisis. we're losing more agents than we're hiring. >> we have to get better at looking at different retention initiatives. >> since 2001 homeland security doubled the number of agents and added almost 700 miles of pedestrian and vehicle barriers. mostly in tucson and yuma and san diego. apprehensions fell by more than 90%. >> it reduced the amount of traffic, the flow of migration and drugs that was coming across the border. >> if congress does give the agency more money, they will replace some old fence, fill gaps in the new wall and retention bonuses to stop the brain drain. one thing they can't stop or change is working in remote areas of the u.s. in typically extreme conditions. back to you. >> sandra: thank you. >> bill: as we continue to monitor that situation on the border, the a.g. jeff sessions
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making it clear he believes we need to monitor exactly who comes into the country. >> president trump has said we need -- we have immigration, we want immigration, but we want to vet these people. we want to know who they are and make sure they are going to be productive people. >> bill: that was from last night. this morning we're hearing both sides could be breaking some ground on an immigration deal. what we're learning about a potential oval office meeting today. so stay tuned for that coming up next. watch me. ♪ i've tried lots of things for my joint pain. now? watch me. ♪ think i'd give up showing these guys how it's done? please. real people with active psoriatic arthritis are changing the way they fight it... they're moving forward with cosentyx®. it's a different kind of targeted biologic. it's proven to help people find less joint pain
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>> sandra: the russia investigation reaching full speed on capitol hill as lawmakers question former campaign manager corey lewandowski up today after steve bannon spent 12 hours behind closed doors yesterday. i'm sandra smith. good morning. >> bill: what do you do for 12 hours? >> sandra: that's a long time. >> bill: i'm bill hemmer, good morning. lewandowski's appearance coming
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one day after steve bannon refused to answer some of their questions claiming executive privilege. trey gowdy on "america's newsroom" not too happy with that disposition said this. >> keep in mind the president and some of his sporters to hurry & conclude the investigation. so do i. instruct witnesses to answer our questions instead of going through the charade of executive privilege. >> sandra: what have you learned about yesterday's testimony, that lengthy one by bannon? >> late yesterday the senior democrat on the house intelligence committee adam schiff called out steve bannon who spent all day on capitol hill in front of their committee. bannon's attorney told lawmakers the white house directed him not to answer questions about his time in the white house or during the transition. schiff said the move is silencing bannon and protecting the white house.
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>> this was effectively a gag order by the white house preventing this witness from answering almost any question concerning his time in the transition or the administration and many questions even after he left the administration. >> democrats want answers about the june 2016 trump tower meeting that included the president's son, son-in-law and former campaign chairman and why bannon called it treasonous. they issued a subpoena on the spot for bannon yesterday and he refused to answer questions but didn't take the fifth telling lawmakers to resolve the impasse with white house lawyers. it frustrated both sides of the aisle with the white house press secretary defending the advice. >> we've been completely cooperative throughout this entire process. we will continue to be cooperative but we are also going to maintain some of the executive privileges here at the white house that have been practiced for decades.
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>> the president's former campaign manager corey lewandowski is expected late today along with another campaign aide. >> sandra: we expect lewandowski's session to be very different, right? >> the former trump campaign manager said he will answer every question. >> all they said to me is to prepare to go in and answer questions. i'm going to answer every question truthfully, honestly, to the best of my ability and the best of my recollection. because i have nothing to hide i'm looking forward to this opportunity to help finally bring this to a close. >> according to a senior republican on the house intelligence committee lawmakers are recalling bannon tomorrow the same day former f.b.i. director james comey's chief of staff is scheduled to appear. he matters because he was part of comey's inner circle and copied on the may 2016 draft statement that recommended against criminal charges in the clinton email case. >> sandra: thank you for your reporting. >> bill: in the meantime watch the clock. it is ticking now on getting an immigration deal done before
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the government shutdown deadline late on friday night. lawmakers have about three days now to avoid this shutdown. that could prove tricky as democrats hold out for a deal for the so-called dreamers, a conservative signal they could get in the way of another stopgap funding measure. you have a lot of things going on. mike emanuel is watching it all on the hill. what is now the idea to keep the government open beyond friday? >> bill, this proposal would essentially allow more time for long-term budget negotiations and work on immigration. the proposal would keep government open another 28 days and extend reauthorize the children's health insurance program for another six years, it would delay implementation of the medical device tax and other taxes related to healthcare. senior republican involved in budget and appropriations says the plan has items most folks should support. >> i have think it will be much tougher for them with the chip solution on there, with
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cadillac tax, medical device, ballistic missile defense. if you want to vote against all that, i guess you can. >> some conservatives in the house freedom caucus are hoping they can negotiate a better deal. here is the proposal they are floating. >> congressman jordan's plan that he put out about funding the military for a full year, along with a cr for the balance seemed to get overwhelming support of our members. >> that may appeal to the national security hawks but it may also complicate matters with democrats who, of course, want more spending on domestic priorities. >> i don't know why he is whispering. what are democrats saying at this stage? >> they are saying the idea of another four-week extension is a lousy idea. the fourth stopgap measure since october 1. they are pushing for immigration now. here is a sample of their side of the story. >> there is no reason that any
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short term deal should exclude the dreamers. there is a bipartisan compromise supported by the vast majority of the american people and i'll vote against a short term spending bill, the fourth in as many months because it simply kicks the can down the road. it holds hostage not only the dreamers, but also defense spending. >> a lot of people are frustrated saying it's not a way to run a government by four-week extensions at a time. bottom line a lot of folks say it is not a reason to shut down the government, bill. >> bill: thank you, mike. watch it. thank you, sir. >> sandra: for more on this let's bring in guy benson, political direct fore town hall.com. a lot changing and a lot we're learning about what happened last week that did seem to change so much on this, guy. when you look at lindsey graham saying what happened? what changed between that tuesday meeting where everybody seemed to get along and the thursday meeting in the oval office on daca?
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there were clearly some changes that led to the president not liking when he saw. >> definitely. i think perhaps one of the changes was he got a better view of the compromise that was struck between lindsey graham and dick durbin which apparently excluded a number of the principles who were part of that working group this leadership working group to get a final compromise together in including more conservative republicans. so apparently the deal that now the text we're starting to see specifically what's in it strikes me as someone who is again i'm pretty moderate on immigration. i'm pro reform and pro dream act but i'm also in favor of securing the borders. skimming through it this morning i kept shaking my head wondering where is the actual border security component of this? it seems like a lot of smoke and mirrors in exchange for a broad amnesty not only for the dreamers but their parents as well. i think it will be a very tough sell in its current form for
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many, many republicans. >> sandra: what we're learning happened on that thursday morning, it's interesting stuff. dick durbin called up the president and said we've come to an agreement. the president says come on over. lindsey graham is going to come on over with dick durbin, john kelly headed over to meet with graham and durbin to talk about this. kelly quickly discovered the plan was not an agreement between the four principals but something that graham and durbin cooked up and didn't address the president's demands in a meaningful way. >> that's the problem. my suspicion. i was not in the room, but it seems like the reporting we're getting indicates that the president thought this was an agreement among those four principles that you just named. it wasn't. it was a side deal based on a couple ideas from various senators that said great, we have something. not a finalized deal. john cornyn the number two
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senate republican has been throwing cold water on this thing. the white house asked for $18 billion to build the wall in their budget request. this deal gives just a tiny fraction of that and not even for a wall. it doesn't hire more border patrol agents. it really seems woefully insufficient in the category of enforcement and the whole point to me, sandra, is if you are going to create an amnesty for hundreds of thousands of dreamers, plus potentially millions of their relatives including their parents, that is an incentive for future illegal immigration. we learned that in the border crisis a few years ago with the unaccompanied minors. when you give an amnesty people recognize and react accordingly. you have to mitigate the effect by securing a border that clearly is not secure at this point and based on what we're reading of the supposed compromise, it does not go anywhere near to the extent
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that it ought to in order to strike an appropriate balance. >> sandra: furthermore, fox news is learning that what has transpired with lindsey graham has really hurt his relationship with the president and with the chief of staff john kelly. i want to show everyone attorney general jeff sessions last night really going off on all of this resistance to these reforms on tucker carlson. listen. >> they need to look at the proposal that house judiciary committee, congressman goodlatte has proposed. that will work and end the illegality and make the system work better. that's what the american people want and the objectors, the sanctuary cities, the new jersey policy you just talked about. those are policies that favor illegality. they subsidize it and encourage illegality. the american people are sick of that. >> sandra: they encourage
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illegality. jeff sessions fired up last night. >> yeah. if you look at sanctuary city policies it does. that's exactly what those policies do. and we talk about being a pro-immigration nation, which we are. we're a nation of immigrants. i totally can get behind that. but we have to draw the distinction between legal immigration and illegal immigration and take reasonable steps to deter the latter. part of that involves reorganizing and reforming our entire immigration system and moving closer to a merit-based system which makes absolute sense for our national interests. it is not racist, it is not crack pot or crazy. they do it in canada and great britain. it is common sense stuff and it does drive me nuts sometimes when we're hearing we need a clean dream act. how about the clean border security act. they would never agree to that. neither party will see eye-to-eye. both sides get something
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meaningful. >> sandra: the countdown is on. deadline is quickly approaching. guy benson good to see you this morning. >> bill: homeland security sending a warning to sanctuary cities. >> my question is whether dhs is currently working with the justice department to bring section 8 usc13 charges or criminal charges against state or local officials. >> i believe the request was made. >> bill: that warning coming as immigration authorities plan to have a massive sweep of illegals in sanctuary zone. should state and city leaders also face arrest? we'll debate that question. >> sandra: only a few days to go now for congress to pass a budget putting military funding at stake. congressman mac thornberry chairman of the house armed services committee will join us live. plus there is this.
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>> bill: the robbery turned into a shoot-out with police overnight. it was captured on a body camera. watch here.
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this is in baltimore where police released this body cam video capturing the moment the gun battle began. wow, it happened at a 7-eleven rattleling the downtown area at 1:00 in the morning. two suspects still at large after they escaped on foot and the officers, they took cover. >> sandra: the justice department now considering a plan to bring criminal charges against local and state officials enforcing sanctuary policies. the homeland secretary confirming it yesterday. >> whether dhs is currently working with the justice department to bring any criminal charges against state or local officials. >> i believe the request was made. the department of justice is reviewing what avenues might be available. the context of this is, of course, not only putting my ice officers at risk but also
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finding an efficient and effective way to enforce our immigration laws. >> sandra: the radio talk show host, ben consist el and lawrence jones are two very tall men. good to have you both this morning. serious stuff here. what do you make of all this, lawrence? >> it's about time we enforce the law, bottom line. we know there has been liberal activist judges that have allowed immigrants -- illegal immigrants out of the back door of courtrooms when ice agents were waiting. and so i want to see if they will fight this because i think this is going to eventually going to the supreme court and they'll rule in favor of the trump administration. >> i think it's wrong on three different fronts. there is a lot of federal overreach when it comes to states rights. if they want to allow for sanctuary cities to exist within their parameters i think that -- >> that's federal law, though. >> we have an economic risk. if you look at housing, if we
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do detain these inmates in california 75,000 bucks a year to hold an individual and then i think from the moral perspective i really do believe we're a nation of immigrants. i believe diversity brings great things to this country and i don't see it being a moral win. >> if states want to make their own immigration policy they should attempt to sue seed from the undown. they don't have the authority who comes in this country and who doesn't because they're states. the federal government has supremacy on this and i think it will be a major constitutional issue when it goes to the supreme court because they simply don't have the right. whether you are a liberal, republican or conservative on this this isn't up for debate. this is a law. >> he campaigned on states rights and said he would be a states rights president. >> the federal government has jurisdiction over this issue. >> we have the situation
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involving legalized marijuana. it would send money back to the drug cartels. we have the situation happening where 17 states, 7-elevens raided for what? >> if businesses decide to employ illegal immigrants it is hurting american people now and encourages illegals that they should do it. when they come here they will have a job. >> sandra: i want to break into the debate here. a good one. i want to get the words of the acting ice director thomas homan who talks very tough on this subject. let's listen. >> there is no sanctuary from federal law enforcement. california better hold on tight. they're about to see a lot more special agents and deportations in the state of california. if the politicians in california don't want to protect their communities, ice will. >> sandra: we're learning the feds are planning a massive northern california immigration sweep to strike against the
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sanctuary laws specifically. we're looking it will be centered in the bay area. reports it could happen within weeks. this is a huge move by this administration. >> what we're seeing is ice traditionally on the defense. now they are going on the offense. and they have the right to do that. they're federal agents and can raid employers when they have probable cause that they are hiring illegal immigrants and that's what they will do. they'll do that because they have an administration that supports the law. now they are given the tools to do so. >> obama was called the deporter in chief. not the first administration to be tough on immigrants. from a states rights perspective, however, he should live up to what he promised and be a states rights president. >> why is president trump being called racist when president obama -- >> he doesn't do himself any favors. >> sandra: none of you will give each other the last word. i'll end it there.
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>> all night. >> sandra: good to have both of you. >> bill: back to your corners. don't mess with her, gentlemen. for the first time since leaving nbc ann curry is now speaking out. what she is saying about her former employer and the me too movement today. it's coming up next. >> sandra: steve bannon is back in the hot seat this week after he sat for 12 long hours yesterday. what to expect in round two? >> if you will accuse somebody of a crime for which you can be put to death, what is your evidence for that? with an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. the name to remember. we know that when you're spending time with the grandkids every minute counts. and you don't have time for a cracked windshield. that's why we show you exactly when we'll be there. saving you time, so you can keep saving the world.
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>> sandra: republican senator jeff flake is speaking live on the senate floor right now. let's listen. >> annihilateing some individuals who disagreed with the supreme leader. this alone should be the source of great shame for us in this
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body. especially for those of us in the president's party for they are shameful, repulsive statements and of course the president has it precisely backward. despotism is the enemy of the people. a free press is the despot's enemy which makes the free press the guardian of democracy. when a figure in power reflexively calls any press that doesn't suit him fake news it is that person who should be the figure of suspicion, not the press. i dare say that anyone who has had the privilege and awesome responsibility to serve in this chamber knows these slurs of fake news are dubious at best. those of us who travel overseas especially to war zones and other troubled areas all around the globe encounter members of u.s.-based media who risk their lives and sometimes lose their lives reporting on the truth. to dismiss their work as fake
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news is an affront to their commitment and their sacrifice. according to the international federation of journalists, 80 journalists were killed in 2017. a new report from the committee to protect journalists documents the number of journalists imprisoned around the world is 262, a new record. this total includes 21 reporters who are being held on false news charges. mr. president, so powerful is the presidency that the damage done by the sustained attack on the truth will not be confined to this president's time in office. here in america, we do not -- we question the powerful most ardently. to do so is our birthright and a requirement of our citizenship. and so we know well that no matter how powerful, no president will ever have dominion over objective reality.
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no politician will ever get -- tell us what the truth is and what it is not. and anyone who presumes to try to attack or manipulate the press for his own purposes should be made to realize his mistake and to be held to account. that is our job here. that is just as madison, hamilton and jay would have it. of course, a major difference between politicians and the free press is that the free press usually corrects itself when it has made a mistake. politicians don't. no longer can we compound attacks -- the attacks on truth with our silent aquaoe essence and no longer can we turn a blind eye or deaf ear to those assaults on our institutions and, mr. president, an american president who cannot take criticism, who must constantly deflect and distort and distract, who must find someone else to blame is charting a very dangerous path. and a congress that fails to act as a check on the president
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adds to that danger. now we are told by a twitter that today the president intends to announce his choice for the, quote, most corrupt and dishonest media awards. it beggars belief that an american president would engage in such a spectacle. but here we are. and so 2018 must be the year in which the truth takes a stand against power that would weaken it. in this effort the choice is quite simple, and in this effort the truth needs as many allies as possible. together we're powerful. together we have it within us to turn back these attacks, to right these wrongs, repair this damage, restore reverence for our institutions, and prevent further more all vandalism. to do our jobs under the constitution, without regard to party or party loyalty, let us
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resolve to be allies of the truth and not partners in its destruction. it is not my purpose here to inventory all the unofficial untruths of the past year but a brief survey is in order. some untruths are trivial such as the bizarre contention regarding the crowd size at last year's inaugural. but some untruths are not at all trivial such as the seminole untruth of the president's political career, the oft repeated conspiracy about the birthplace of president obama and not trivial are the equally fantasies about rigged elections and massive voter fraud which are as destructive as they are inaccurate. to the effort to undermine confidence in the federal courts, federal law enforcement, the intelligence community and the free press, to perhaps the most vexing
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untruth of all the reason for the russia investigation of robert mueller. to be very clear, to call the russian matter a hoax as the president has done so many times is a falsehood. we know the attacks orchestrated by the russian government during the election were real and constitute a grave threat to both american sovereignty and to our national security. it is in the interest of every american to get to the bottom of this matter wherever the investigation leads. ignoring or denying the truth about hostile russian intentions toward the united states leaves us vulnerable to future attacks. we are told by our intelligence agencies that these attacks are ongoing. yet it is recently been reported there hasn't been a single cabinet level meeting regarding russian interference and how to defend america against these attacks, not one. what might seem like a casual and routine untruth so casual
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and routine it has now become the white noise of washington is in fact a serious lapse in the defense of our country. mr. president, let us be clear, the impulses underlying the dissemination of such untruths are not benign. they have the effect of eroding trust in our vital institutions and conditioning the public to no longer trust them. the destructive effect of this kind of behavior on our democracy cannot be overstated. mr. president, every word that a president utters projects american values around the world. the values of free expression and reverence for the free press have been our global hallmark for it is our ability to freely air the truth that keeps our government honest and keeps the people free. between the mighty and the modest, truth is the great leveler and so respect for freedom of the press has always been one of our most important
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exports. but a recent report published in our free press should raise an alarm. reading from the story quote, in february syrian president bashar al-assad brushed off an am knells tee international report that some 13,000 people had been killed in one of his military prisons by saying you can forge anything these days. we are living in a fake news era. in the philippines that president has complained of being demonized by fake news. last month the report continues with our president laughing by his side, he called reporters spies. in july venezuelan president complained that the world media has spread lots of false versions, lots of lies about his country adding this is what we call fake news today, isn't it? there are more. a state official in myanmar
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said there is no such thing as rohinga, it is fake news. leaders in singapore, a country known for restricting free speech have promised fake news legislation in the next year. and on and on and on. this feedback loop is disgraceful, mr. president. not only has the past year seen an american president borrow despotic language to refer to the free press but has inspired thor tarrance with his own language. that's reprehensible. we are not in a fake news era as bashar al-assad says, we are, rather, in an era in which the authoritarian impulse is reasserting itself to challenge free people and free societies everywhere. in our own country from the trivial to the truly dangerous it is the range and regularity of the untruths we've seen that should be the cause for
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profound alarm and spurred to action. add to that the by now predictable habit of calling true things false and false things true and we have a recipe for disaster. george orwell warned the further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. are any of us who have spent time in public life and have endured news coverage we felt was jaded or unfair, but in our positions to employ even idle threats to use laws or regulations to stifle criticism is corrosive to our democratic institutions. simply put, it is the press's obligation to uncover the truth about power. it is the people's right to criticize their government. and it is our job to take it. what is the goal of laying siege to the truth?
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president john f. kennedy in a speech on the 20th anniversary of the voice of america was eloquent in answer that to question. we aren't afraid to entrust the american people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies and competitive values for a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation afraid of its people. mr. president, the question of why the truth is now under such assault may be for historians to determine but for those who cherish american constitutional democracy, what matters is the effect on america and her people and her standing in an increasingly unstable world made all the more unstable by these very fabrications. what matters is the daily disassembling of our democratic institutions. we are a mature democracy. it is past time to stop excusing or ignoring or worse
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endorsing these attacks on the truth. if we compromise the truth for the sake of our politics we are lost. i sincerely thank my colleagues for their indulgence today. i will close and i find this has special resonance at this moment. his name was john jacks, as a young missionary in england he contemplated the question what is truth. his search was expressed in poetry and ultimately in a hymn that i grew up with titled "o say what is truth." it ends as follows. then say what is truth 'tis the last and the first. for the limits of time it steps over, though the heavens depart and the earth's fountains burst, truth, the sum of existence, will weather the worst. eternal, unchanged, ever more. thank you, mr. president.
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i yield the floor. >> sandra: jeff flake taking time on the senate floor, someone who has positioned himself as the foremost anti-trump republican defending the press in this country against the president's recent attacks. taking several opportunities to slam the sitting president, president donald trump saying the truth needs as many allies as possible. no politician will tell us what the truth is or is not. 2018 must be the year in which the truth takes a stand against power that would weaken it. jeff flake, another one of those speeches on the senate floor. >> bill: here is media analyst howard kurtz in washington you are working on a new book called "media madness." how does it fit in with what jeff flake is talking about? >> it's about the war over the truth. jeff flake apparently plans to spend the rest of his remaining months in office attacking
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donald trump undermined his argument. he turned it into a broadside attack on the president. more important what jeff flake said before we picked up the live feed is he likeened donald trump's language on the media to that of stalin and while i thought the president went too far early in his term in calling the media the enemy of the american people, to compare president trump with a mass murderer in the soviet union goes way too far. >> bill: look forward to see your book as well. howard kurtz in d.c. this is breaking news now. fox news learning chief stage gift steve bannon has agreed to be interviewed by robert mueller. it is an interview that is not the grand jury. deputy assistant attorney general under george w. bush, hello and good day to you. what do you make of this move? what does it say?
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>> it is expected. when mueller initially told bannon he wanted him to testify before the grand jury that everyone involved realized it was the likely way it would resolve. bannon would sit down with mueller in the context of an interview with mueller's team rather than go before the grand jury. this is often how these sorts of the situations work out. this development i don't think comes as a surprise at all. >> bill: steve bannon sat for 12 hours yesterday and coming back for more tomorrow. oh joy. trey gowdy wasn't happy even though he sat for 12 hours he refused to answer questions. >> i am frustrated whenever people assert privileges that do not exist. i am really frustrated when witness else have all the time in the world to talk to the media on and off the record and they can help people write books but they can't talk to the representatives that are elected by their fellow citizens. picture that. he is happy to tell an author
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about treasonous, unpatriotic acts but he won't tell members of congress. >> bill: he was frustrated. the critical question is why did you say what you said in the book? if you believe what he said in the book was true, thomas. >> well, that is the question here, bill. the question here is bannon made pretty insendary statements about the meeting at trump tower being treasonous. he didn't have any doubt the russians were brought to meet with trump in trump tower. was he speaking to the book author as a way to take a political shot at his enemies in the white house or did he have some evidence or some proof that these things he says happened actually happened. i think that's the critical question whether bannon was just talking out of his ear or whether he had a factual basis for the charges that he was making. i think that's what congressman gowdy and the other committee members wanted to get ate.
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they didn't get at it yesterday and why we're hearing them express frustration about bannon's non-forthcomingness. >> bill: corey lewandowski today. bannon tomorrow. quick work, thank you sir. thomas dupree. >> sandra: the clock is ticking as congress tackles a budget plan. one thing is military funding. a big meeting with the top brass on the military strategy going forward. house armed services committee chairman mac thornberry was there and he will join us next. . i wanted to be clear. . i wanted it to last. so i kept on fighting. i found something that worked. and keeps on working. now? they see me. see me. see if cosentyx could make a difference for you- cosentyx is proven to help people with moderate
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>> bill: shooting star lining up the night sky over michigan. the flash of light as a small meteor rips through the night sky. sounded like thunder. moved at 28,000 miles an hour. how do they know that? the fireball reportedly hitting the ground causing a small earthquake. some folks reported their homes
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shaking. they hope to find a piece of the space rock, more rare than gold or diamonds or bitcoin. take your pick. >> sandra: thank you for that. congressional leaders are scrambling to unite before a government shutdown. funding for the military. earlier on america's top leaders held a meeting at the pentagon happening this morning. they were discussing our national military strategy. congressman mac thornberry is the chairman of the house armed services committee and was at that meeting and joins us now. thank you for your time this morning. >> thanks for having me. >> sandra: first off what can you tell us about that meeting? how did it go? >> it was helpful. the secretary laid out for us a preview of the national defense strategy which he will unveil later this week. and if you think about it, we
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have everything from pure competitors like russia and china, to the rogue nations like iran and north korea, of course, and terrorism hasn't gone away. we expect our military to be able to deal with all of those threats and this strategy tries to figure out how we are going to do that. the challenge is, you can come up with the best strategy in the world but congress has got to put the money behind it. we've got to build the military that will deal with all those threats and right now there is political games going on in this building that is not adequately funding our military. >> sandra: you sound frustrated about this. i look at the lineup. i look at the members that were included in that meeting that you just came out of and including yourself, your colleague adam smith, senators john mccain, jack reed, secretary mattis and general
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-- is there concern with that group that there is not a willingness to get something done when it comes to funding the government, getting a deal done, to avoid the effect that this would have on our military? >> well, you are exactly right when you picked up i'm very frustrated because not only among that group but among the vast majority of republicans and democrats in the house and the senate, there is agreement that we need to do better for our military. that we need to increase military spending. the problem is you've got some people who will only agree to that if they get their way on some other issue like immigration, daca, or funding for epa or something else. so if we could just vote on the merits of this issue, the military would be taken care of and then we could debate the other issue. unfortunately the military is being held hostage to these
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other political issues. and that's the reason i'm frustrated and that's the reasonable the people you just mentioned in that meeting are concerned. whether we can actually implement a strategy that we come up with. >> sandra: would you support another stopgap funding bill? >> i'm going to meet with my committee later today and we'll discuss it. every day under these stopgap measures does damage to the military. remember, they've got to spend exactly the same amount of money on the same things that they did a year ago under these measures. they can't train for what is coming, they can only do the training for what has been. so it hurts the military every single day. i'm hopeful and i think we could, as i say, with all the agreement on both sides of the aisle, get a budget agreement on not only the military but the rest of the government. but we've got to stop the political games that are going on. >> sandra: mr. chairman, the president is tweeting this.
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daca is probably dead because the democrats don't really want it. speaking directly to your concerns, mr. chairman. they just want to talk and take desperately-needed money away from our military. so do you see it the same way as the president? >> well, i worry about the same thing. i worry about whether some of these folks really want to get a daca fix or whether they want to just keep the issue out there because they think it helps them politically. and again, every single day that goes on it hurts our military. and so all morning you have been covering various political dramas about bannon and immigration and all sorts of things. the only way any of that goes on men and women are out there risking their lives to protect and defend us. we have an obligation to them to give them the resources and congress is not meeting its obligation right now. that's the reason for the frustration. >> sandra: i only have a few
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seconds left. what is your message to the rest of congress as we hear the clock ticking? >> we need to do our job. we need to support the military in the way it should be supported. leave these other issues on their own merits but don't hold the military hostage to any other issue. >> sandra: mr. chairman, mac thornberry, thank you for your time this morning. >> bill: 10 minutes before the hour. in a moment here an illegal immigrant accused of killing two sheriff's deputies shows no remorse in court. play you the shocking statement he gave at the start of his trial next.
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>> steve bannon clamming up before the house intelligence committee despite a subpoena. he is back in the hot seat
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tomorrow. what can and might he tell lawmakers about russia meddling in the 2016 election. president trump doubles down on beefing up the manpower on the southern border. why aren't more people trying to get on the border patrol payroll. a warning about north korea and how tillerson says the nuclear stalemate is at a tenuous stage at the top of the hour. >> bill: thank you. illegal immigrant charged with murdering two deputies in cold blood shocking the courtroom with an outrageous outburst on the first day of his trial. what happened in court, jonathan? >> this was the first day of trial for an illegal immigrant who has been in and out of court for several years. this time is charged with killing two police officers during an october 2014 crime
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spree. he appears to be proud of them. >> laughing and smiling throughout a chaotic court session he has interrupted the district attorney as he laid out the details of the killings. defense lawyers say he was high on drugs at the time he carried out the killings. >> we are not contesting any of the charges, the defendant is responsible for the deaths of the deputy and detective. he shot them both. >> the defense argues he should get life in prison rather than
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the death penalty. the defendant himself had a prediction for what will happen if he is sent to prison. despite those outbursts and the chaos in court, the judge says the trial will continue. >> bill: wow, chilling stuff. thanks jonathan hunt in l.a. wow. >> sandra: president trump and members of congress racing the clockworking on a deal for the so-called dreamers and a measure to fund the government. will they get it all done?
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>> the important questions during the break, yes. if you had to take between jacksonville and new england you would take? >> jacksonville. >> if you had to pick between minnesota and philadelphia you would take? >> philadelphia. how about you?
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>> i need a little more time. >> it's not fair. >> i will give it up before the end of the week. >> that's how it works around here. all right, thanks for joining us, "happening now" starts right now. >> jon: and we start with a fox news alert on the race to stop a government shutdown with three days less than to hammer out a deal. good morning to you, i'm jon scott. >> julie: i'm julie banderas. deadline drama on capitol hill working to get the votes they need to pass a stopgap measure facing opposition not only from democrats who want a deal for the dreamers but also from members of their very own party. >> it is clear we're not yet ready to move ahead with a major agreement on long-term funding for our armed forces, nor on our immigration policy. compromise solutions are not out of reach. but for now congress needs to

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