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jenna: hi everybody, i'm jenna lee, along with gregg jarrett today and we're watching a developing situation out of mckinney, texas, we want to take you there to the community college, collin college is about 35 miles north of dallas and we're hearing reports not only of shots fired on campus but a report that a suspect is dead and another man, apparently man, on the loose, another suspect, i should say. also, reports of a fire in the police station parking lot, presumably on that campus, but a developing story as of mckinney, texas. we're going to continue to watch it and see what we get there. gregg: no word on whether students or teachers are in jeopardy or injured or killed but one suspect, reported to be dead. we have not confirmed that. and a fire in a parking lot, which may be related. another suspect could be on the loose. so a developing situation here. we're going to continue to follow that. jenna: all right, also happening now, a few stories
we're watching today, new developments in the case of a war hero murdered in an exotic resort, why his mom thinks not enough is being done to capture the killer. gregg: a middle box, a heartbreaking crime and another tragedy in the state of south carolina, a young mother admits faking a deadly car accident which she now says happened to her two little boys. jenna: just a sad story. also in the bottom box, incredible video of lightning bolts stirring a storm, how one teenager was hit but lived to tell the tale of her terrifying ordeal. gregg: we are here in the newsroom where breaking news is coming in from across the country, around the world, the domestic desk covering the united states, the foreign desk watching the world events and media desk bringing in the videotape and live pictures 24/7. jenna: another top story dark the ground zero mosque controversy now causing a major split in the democratic party, senate majority leader harry reid
coming out against president obama, saying he believes the mosque should be built somewhere else. amid a tough election fight with sharron angle, james rosen is live for us. >> this split amongst politicians on the left over this story starts like the story itself, in new york, where new york city mayor michael bloomberg, for example, has strongly backed the right of this muslim consortium to build an islamic building two blocks away from the world trade center. for senator reid the decision to break ranges cannot have been an easy one, doing so will portray himself as a man of conscious, but it could also spell trouble for reid. robert gibbs recently derided this as the professional left, here is what the majority leader actually said on the issue: >> the constitution gives us freedom of religion. i think that it's very
obvious that the mosque should be built some place else. >> reporter: amongst republicans, another gingrich, former house speaker, and sarah palin, former alaska governor and 2008 vice presidential nominee, now a contributor to this thet work, were the first national figures to speak out against the siting of the mosque, they helped elevate this from a zoning issue to a national political controversy, appearing "on the record" with greta van u.s. turn, palin said she was appalled by the comments that she suggests strenuous -- strenuously defended the right of muslims to build the center near the world trade center site. >> he doesn't get it, this is an insensitive move on the part of muslims that want to mld a -- build a mosque in this location, it feels like a stab in the heart for americans who have the lingering pain from 9/11 >> reporter: proponents say it will also feature a
swimming pool, 500 seat auditorium and spaces for book stores and art exhibits jenna: james rosen for us in d.c. today and this mosque controversy has the whole country really talking not only split within political parties but family members as well. as you might realize this from your own kitchen table at night. some are saying this controversy could be an issue in the november mid terms. we want to know if candidates' stance on this mosque and whether it should be build and where it should be built is going to affect your vote. go to foxnews.com/happening now, post your answers a few different ways and send an e-mail right on our blog, follow us on twitter, it's there for you, foxnews.com foxnews.com/happening now. we'll read your comments later in the show. gregg: a homicide bomber targeting iraqi military recruits, killing at least 61 people in baghdad today. police say the attackers spent hours wait be with the applicants before detonating his exploding vest. that blast also injuring at
least 125 others. today's attack is baghdad's bloodiest in months. and it comes as iraq's military is trying to show it can fill the gap left by departing american forces. jenna: now to a growing crisis in pakistan. the united nations is warning that 3 1/2 million children could be in danger from deadly diseases like cholera there, unless they get clean water and food and medicine immediately. u.n. relief workers say only a fraction of the millions displaced by this massive flooding have received any aid so far. pakistan is reeling from one of the worst natural disasters in its history. gregg: right now police in thailand are hunting for a british kick boxer suspected of killing a former u.s. marine. the mother of 23-year-old dashan longfellow says police are not doing enough to catch the killer. and now dramatic surveillance images of the suspect appear to show lee aulhaus grabbing a knife moments before police say he
fatally stabbed longfellow at a hotel. david piper long from bangkok, david. >> reporter: hi gregg. thai police say they've notified air and police force to look for this man and issued photographs. this is a small island with one main road out of it but there are house of areas at the moment that would be quite easy to hide without an extensive search. the community is living in fear at the moment with this man on the loose, all houses -- a. ulthaus is the one with the shaved head and the short shorts, called of the pit bull because of the violence he showed inside and out the thai kick boxing ring. he terrorized those by kicking fights and boasting he was invincible, now they're concerned he's now on the run, he might be trying to settle old scores. the thai authorities say
aulthaus is now the prime suspect in the murder of former many ear, dashon longfellow, he's believed to have served in both afghanistan and iraq and was a recipient of a purple heart. longfellow's body was found with several stab wounds to his chest at the resort he was staying. thai police say hours earlier the former marine was drinking with his thai girlfriend in the freedom bar when awvment lthaus picked a fight with him. according to eyewitnesses, long tells dls fellow overpowered the brit which apparently humiliated him in front of everyone, it's believed aulthaus followed the former marine back to his hotel and according to police he stabbed him several times with a knife. here in this, from the security camry at a nearby 711 store it appears to show aulthaus buying a fruit knife shortly before the attack. according to the former marine's thai girlfriend, he saved her life by putting her back into the hotel
room, away from the assailant. she called the emergency services, but he died before she got there. back to you gregg. gregg: david piper, live in bangkok, thailand, thank you. jenna: back to texas, mckinney, texas, where reports of shots fired and a school campus on lockdown. harris has been watching the phones for us. what do we know? >> reporter: i just got off the phone actually with a sports person for collin college in plano, mckinney is a suburb of dallas, it's in plano and she says the school remains on lockdown at this point, an individual opened fire, firing shots outside of one of the buildings on campus. one of the things that she says that is very important for people to know, this is the central park camp u. because they've got parents as you can imagine on high alert. they have a couple of campuses in the area, this is the central park catch us. i want to get on the phone just shortly because they were going to give they information if they could firm it up on anybody being
hurt because as you know jenna we've already reported that locally, media stations are reporting that one suspect is dead, another is on the loose. so if, in fact, there is a man hunt we want to know who we're looking for, but shots fired by one individual outside the building on their central park campus. that's now confirmed by collin college spokesperson. the school remains on lockdown. jenna: it looks like there are students at that campus, more than 3800 students, apparently just coming into a fox news urgent now, 3800 students at this campus. this campus specifically deals with the health care, first responders, apparently, that's the focus of this campus, if i'm reading this correctly, and it looks like that there's an offer of a lot of classes but i'm not sure if that means that the students, all 3800 of them, are actually on the campus at this time. we'll continue to gather some information, as we get it. again, a very developing situation in mckinney, texas there, and we'll bring you the latest as we get more. in the meantime, president obama, about to take off for seattle. he's raising cash and
campaigning for senator patty murray, she's expected to win today's primary, but senator murray is just one of many democrats facing a very tough reelection race in november. major garrett is live at the white house and major, sen -- senator murray is in a tougher than expected race. how much is the president's appearance really expected to help here? >> reporter: it's a last minute sort of recently scheduled appearance in washington, jenna, that indicates just how difficult this political terrain has become for democrats. about two or three months ago patty murray's race was considered if not completely safe, mostly safe by democratic strategists inside and outside of this white house. not anymore. she's now in a very tight race, under 50 percent, and her likely republican opponent, dina roxy is probably going to emerge from the primary as the second vote getter, maybe the first, the two will face each other in november, and patty murray has $3 million on cash for the campaign,
rossi has just under 2 million so, at this point, he has the financial resources to compete. what the president is doing is going to washington to try to revum democratic-based voters to get them excited about the primary itself and the november election. this indicates that democrats have to fight nationwide to protect their senate majority, something that they didn't think they would have to do just a couple of months ago. jenna: you talk about that nationwide fight major, who else is expecting an equally tough fight as the one you talked about? >> let's just talk and look at the president's schedule this week. yesterday, he was in wisconsin, last night, in los angeles, russ feingold is the democratic incumbent in wisconsin, he suddenly finds himself in a much closer, much more competitive race than democratic strategists expected a couple of months ago, barbara boxer of california, also facing a tough reelection fight. when you talk to republican strategists who say look, it is possible, not likely, but possible, republicans could win back control of the senate in this election
cycle, to win that ten seats majority back, get those ten seats they need to regain the majority in the senate they would need to win in wisconsin and california, and washington. so this week, you see why the president's actions is appearance and his wilingsness to lend his support to these embattled democrats. he's trying to keep that senate majority, even by the narrowest of margins. jenna: all right, 77 days and counting, -- major. i think we're all counting at this point. major garrett for us at the white house. marchtion major -- thanks major. fox news is your election headquarters, get up to the minute political news, and major has something to do with that, that's for sure. counting days the -- down the days to the midterms. go to foxnews.com. gregg: it's that time again, back to school. don't blame me, kids! if you're choosing a college, though, you've got to stick around. the yearly ranking of the country's best schools is out. colleges and universities, both. we're going to tell you
which ones top the list. >> across the newsroom at the breaking news desk, harris faulkner is getting new info on pretty dangerous fugitives, harris. >> reporter: they're being called the bonnie & clyde, very dangerous, the man convicted of attempted murder, busting out of prison now in arizona. john mccluskey and his fiance/cousin, casslyn welch, on the run still and authorities say they have brand new tips for getting new leads in every day, they're working on a new focus, and -- in this investigation. i'll have it for you. i'm working the story. it's a multi-state man hunt. up next.
gregg: breaking news out of plano, texas, collin college is on lockdown right now and apparently there's been a shooting on campus. public information officer for collin college is on the phone with us right now, what can you tell us? >> i can tell you that shortly after 9:00 this morning, shots were fired outside of the building at
the central park campus in mckinney. we do have more than one campus in mckinney so i want to clarify that was the campus off of 380 drive in mckinney. the campus was locked down immediately, and is still on lockdown. these are the details we know right now, i think there was more than one suspect, and police are still on the scene. gregg: have any teachers, administrators, or importantly, students been injured in any way? >> not to my knowledge. but information is still coming in. the campus continues to be on lockdown. gregg: there's a report that at some point a man allegedly pulled up at the police station there, in a pickup truckload with ammunition and began shooting, and that's when police returned fire, and it's believed the suspect was shot and killed. you can confirm that? >> i can confirm that the suspect was killed. the circumstances are still -- we're still finding out the details, but the shooter is no longer alive. gregg: is there another
suspect on the loose? >> my understanding is that there is a suspect, i do not know at this time if the suspect is on the loose or the suspect has been apprehended. gregg: male, female, can you identify? >> i don't know at this point, we're still finding out information. gregg: any other suspects? >> this is all i know at this point. gregg: can you tell us -- i mean, look, a lot of concerned parents out there. >> sure. gregg: can you tell us what's being done to protect the kids? >> like i said, the campus is on lockdown, nobody is coming in, nobody is going out, luckily, we're between semesters, so there were fewer students on campus than there usually would have been and we're encouraging students who would have come to campus not to attempt to, that you couldn't get near it if you wanted to at this point. gregg: lisa, thank you very much, please keep in touch with us, call us back if you get further details. obviously concerned about the welfare of the students and the teachers and administrators. >> as are we. gregg: thank you very much. jen gentleman. jenna: blood in the streets of baghdad, a homicide bomber unleashing a terrifying attack on the iraqi military. we have the latest on that scene, and more on that
gregg: "happening nowp" good news from the gulf coast where shrimpers report the very first catch the season is free of oil. that is good news. next to anchorage, alaska, a viewing for former senator ted stevens, killed in a plane crash next week. next to boston harbor, topping the list of university rankings for the u.s. news and world report, it tied with princeton last year, you may recall over on the college list. william college, number one. jenna: over the a the desk, a brutal attack by a
homicide bomber at an army recruiting center, 60 people are dead and many others wounded, dominic dignitali joins us on the phone. what can you tell us about what happened? >> reporter: as many as 1000 men were lining up, hoping to enlist in the iraqi army, it was the last day for them to be recruited into the 11th decision of the iraqi army. the figures we have from the ministry is 69 dead and 120 injured. now, they had been targeted because before the end of the month the iraqi early and security forces are becoming the greatest threat to insurgents and to terrorists here, as they become more capable in protecting the country. some people might say they aren't able to protect the country, but what is really causing that is not a security backing but a political backing. for five months they've in order had a government since these electricals, so the insurgents in this case, al-qaeda, have tried to take full advantage of that political vacuum and try to
discredit the government and prove in their minds that iraq could not be a stable country without the u.s. presence here. so we do have troops who will remain on after this. there are actually a great deal of combat power, they have combat troops, and whether -- there is a potential -- [inaudible] >> there is a potential to do that to take this back to a combat role. we'll see whether that happens. back to you. jenna: dominic, thank you. gregg, over to you. gregg: to the hunt for two arizona fugitives, police receiving an anonymous tip that somebody spot that's guy on the left, john mccluskey and his accomplice, casslyn welch, in an apartment complex. turns out false alarm, but federal investigators say they are getting about 15 leads a day in the search for the modern day bonnie & clyde duo.
harris faulkner live at the breaking news desk with more. >> reporter: you know, this investigation is taking a bit of a different focus this morning and i just got off the phone with state troopers in maine, because i'm reading reports that the car that these two are said to be traveling in, it is a 1997 nissan sentra, gold, tan or gray, may have, and i stress may have, been spotted in central maine, and reports out of that area are saying that local authorities are checking rest areas, truck stop, the areas known to be visited by this couple since they've been on the run. just to make sure if that is a credible siting, they get to them before any innocent bystander might, because they consider them armed and dangerous. since they've been on the run they are now suspected in the murder of an oklahoma couple found in a burned out trail ner new mexico. they went missing or i should say mccluskey broke out of prison on july 30th and a few days later in new mexico a couple shows up
dead in a burnedout trailer. that's also since they've been on the run. that's some of the crime they are suspected of perpetrating. john mccluskey, casslyn welch, they are cousins, they are also engaged to be married, and what they are saying now is that the last credible sighting they had was in billings, montana. while they are getting 15 leads a day, they think that there still may be strong connections to family and friends, and they are now taking a look back. that is the change in the investigation. a look back at family and friends, and in any connections they may have had in that original point in arizona. but what i'm work right now is is this a crezible lead in central maine. imagine, two weeks into this, they're still on the run. could it be maine? i'm all over it. back to you guys. gregg: they did catch the other two guys that got out of the prison, but these two are at large. >> but not the couple. gregg: thank you very much, harris faulkner. jenna: a lot of news, we're
going to take a breather and talk about burgers. gregg: my favorite topic! jenna: it's not just about supersizing in the burger business, there is something going on, a trend we're seeing where small fry necessary the fast-food world are taking on the kings. chris cotter is live at the shake shack in times square, no doubt sampling, as well as reporting on the story, right, chris? >> i was going to say, gregg's favorite subject, why do you think they gave me this assignment today? this is what i was born to do right here. you mentioned it, too, talking about mcdonald's and burger kings and wendy's, the big players that have always dominated the burger business. not so much lately. a lot of the small and regional players have come on to the scene, like the one in which i'm standing, shake shack, they have seven locations in new york, sharon spanning, adding a couple of others, one in new york and one in d.c., and a lot of these smaller players are taking on the big guys by offering a better burger experience, but also, better menu items, like custards and things like that, and
one thing about shake shack that has separated themselves from some of the bigger boys is the way they stand for an environmentally conscious way of living, and doing business. whether it's recycling, whether it's being concerned about carbon credits, whether it's having a location that's completely powered by solar energy. that's one of the things in which they try and separate themselves from some of the big boys out there. so i'm on a mission today, i'm going to find out which small regional players like shake shack are doing, others like five guys, i'll speak to later, what they're doing to take on the big boys and then i'll find out what burger king is doing to take on the small players, because so many of the larger food chains, jenna, like burger king, wendy's, mcdonald's, their focus has gone away from burgers, they've gone to breakfast food items, toward the cafes and mcdonald's, coffees, beverages, so what are they doing to take on the smaller regional players that have hit them hard when it comes to burgers. this is a sampling of some of the menu items at shake shack, that they offer, and
the worst part about this, i'm speaking to danny myers, the founder of shake shack and until i'm done speaking with him, i'm not allowed to touch this food which is driving me crazy! that's my mission on the day. i'm going to find out what the big boys are doing to take on the small guys, what the small guys are doing to take on the big boys and to consume as much beef as my constitution could possibly allow! that's why i brought along the maalox, my weapon of choice, cherry favored. jenna: i was going to ask you, is that wine on the tail as well, chris? >> it is wine. it's their own proprietary wine. shake shack makes their own wine, they brew their own beer as well. that's just another way that these smaller players can hit the big boys. >> okay. tough assignmentful we'll take it. let me see, media desk, assignment desk, we have the camera crew, probably around 45 hamburgers. gregg: it's a big newsroom. jenna: expense it, no problem. gregg: it's going to be a
long day, i'll tell you. jenna: chris, we'll wish you luck with that maalox. gregg: what's your favorite burger? >> jenna: any burger! gregg: working on a school lockdown, ontario, california, this is about 43 miles east of los angeles, just beyond the claremont colleges out there and police got a tip at 6:20 this morning that a student at colony high school had a gun, they got about a dozen officers searching the premises for that individual, colony high school is home of the titans, has about 2500 students, and again, it is east of downtown los angeles, out near the claremont colleges. no word of anybody being injured there. but obviously, police are not allowing -- it's early on the west coast, not allowing students, teachers or administrators to get into that school while they search for the juvenile allegedly with a gun. we'll keep you posted. jenna: eight people killed, 12 others badly hurt, but so far, no one is held
responsible for this. the feds are investigating that fatal crash in the california desert. we showed this to you yesterday. should someone pay for the senseless loss of life? we're goingta talk about it -- to talk about it. also china is boosting its military power, the secrets the pentagon is learning and why our top brass is so concerned. we're live with that story, coming up.
plano, texas. it is near dallas, texas. it's on lockdown right now. apparently a suspect in a pickup truck drove near the police station on campus, opened fire, the suspect was shot dead, another suspect is on the loose. apparently, teachers and students are safe, that's the best information we have. in the meantime, there's a lockdown out in california, at a school, and it just finished. this is in ontario, california. this situation is now over. the school in ontario has now -- which was on lock yowrntion a student reportedly with a gurntion they've apparently resolved the situation. we have no information as to how it was resolved. we'll let you know about that. but everybody there is safe, ontario, california. jenna. jenna: some alarm at the pentagon over beijing's military buildup, especially concerning the communist nation's growing stockpile of ballistic and cruise missiles. mike emanuel is live at the
pentagon with this story. mike, you spoke with the pentagon spokesman just -- jeff morel recently about china and he kind of downplayed china's military competition, but what specifics do we have right now, that the pentagon is really playing attention to, when it comes to china's military? >> this is an -- this is an annual report that the pentagon is obligated to provide to congress and it says that chine use has been increasingly effective at transfers its economic strength and power into building up its military capabilities and it talks about the missile-based systems that you've talked about, it talks about development of nuclear subs, and so all indications from this report are is the chinese have really transferred their focus to not just defending their own sovereignty but really trying to be a regional player, power player, and there's also concern about the lack of transpairnessy when it comes to china, jenna. jenna: it's already been a tough year so far when it comes to relations between the u.s. and china. what kind of perspective can you give us on that? >> no question about that, secretary of defense robert
gates had an invitation to visit china. we saw him go to south korea, with the secretary of state. but the chinese pulled the invitation for him to go to china. the chinese were all worked up because the united states sold some weapons to taiwan, that is a rival to china, so they didn't like that, the two countries were not getting along also when it same to south korea sinking a north korean ship, the chinese stayed in the corner of north korea, even though the rest of the world was outraged at the north koreans sinking the ship, so it has been a tens year and -- tense year and the united states has emphasized better military relation toss make sure there are no misunderstandings between the two superpowers, the united states, an existing superpower, and china, becoming an even bigger superpower as it transfers its economic strength into military might, jenna. jenna: we'll see if we get that invitation before the end of the year, reissued. hard to have a kick me back, right? >> exactly. jenna: mike emanuel at the pentagon, thanks. gregg: the feds,
investigating that deadly off-road races in california, they want to know why the promoters of the mojave race didn't follow rules, specifically that spectator have to stay at least 100 feet from the course and 50 feet away from the racers. eight spectators were killed when the driver of one truck lost control and crashed into the crowd. should anybody face criminal charges in the case? jason clark -- stephen clark and jason friedman join us live. good to see you. jason, reckless behavior resulting in death under california law equals manslaughter. when you look at this videotape, trucks and vehicles whizzing by spectators literally standing feet away. you can see it right there on the videotape, no protection for those spectators. isn't that the definition of recklessness and couldn't the promoter of this event be charged with homicide? >> absolutely. i mean, that video is so
chilling, you see how close the people are. the bottom line the promoters have a responsibility to the fans to take reasonable steps to ensure safety. although this is a loosely regulated industry, you did point out several of the safety precautions that were in place were not followed. if these fans were 100 feet away from the edge, or if the people were only on one side of the track, chances are this tragedy does not happen, and law enforcement owes it to the victims and the families of these victims to do a thorough investigation with an eye towards filing criminal charges. gregg: steven, what's puzzling is that within 24 hours the california highway patrol hauls off and says we're not planning any criminal charges, they offer three reasons, no alcohol was involved, state vehicle codes don't apply, and it was a sanctioned event held on federal land, courtesy of the federal bureau of land management. since when is any of that sufficient to shield someone from criminality? isn't that irrelevant? >> not really, gregg gregg,
because what the chp is saying is that no california vehicle codes were violated. gregg: so what. >> no federal or state violations. there wasn't drinking. there's nothing wrong with the trucks. >> so what. >> they're saying -- well, because the spectators assume the risk. they saw these trucks blazing by. that's the sport. that's the inherent nature of this sport for the spectators. they wanted to watch it close up. they assumed that risk, gregg. you can't promote it to a criminal liability and put people in jail for that. gregg: stephen, when you encourage and invite people to your premiseses, you must maintain the premiseses in a safe, nonnegligent, nonreckless condition. i mean, look, assumption of the risk is an old doctrine under most jurisdictions. it really doesn't apply in criminal cases, isn't that right, jason? >> absolutely. that's disingenuous to say. i have to argument that. this is a blame the victim defense and that's not right. these promoters have an
obligation to create a safe environment, take reasonable steps, erect safety barriers, put up warning signs, have proper security in place. they did none of that. to blame the victims here is really disingenuous. >> why are spectators not responsible for their own safety, jason, why can't spectators say look, that's dangerous? that's part of the sport, that's why people go to the desert to do this, jason. that's the inherent nature of the sport, and we can't put 350e78 in -- people in jail who put on the events because of the spectators. >> i got to hit this issue before i run out of time. jason, put it to you, what about the guy at the bureau of land management who issued the permit, which, by the way, is banned in most states because it is so dangerous? if he knew of the dangerous conditions and how they exist there, couldn't he be prosecuted? >> i really don't think so in that case. he's really an agent of the federal government and there are immunity issues there. i don't think the person who issued the permit is going to have criminal liability but certainly the local organizers and promoters.
it really reminds me of the fire in rhode island in 2003, where the rock concert, the pyrotechnics went off and so many people got killed. >> there was a state violation there, jason. there has been shown no state or federal violation here. the only violations were part of this lease agreement, and that shouldn't give rise to a criminal manslaughter prosecution. gregg: i think one thing is for sure, we can all agree there will be at least eight wrongful death lawsuits, civil lawsuits, for monetary damages here. >> yes. gregg: and the taxpayers may get hit under the federal tort claims act, federal land. we'll wait and see. gentlemen, thank you very much, steven clark, jayson friedman. >> thank you. jenna: gregg, new information about the proposed mosque at ground zero. this just in from "the washington post". that the governor of new york state, governor paterson, is going to be meeting with the imam and the developer of this mosque, the religious leader, as well as the real estate developer of this
mosque, a little later this week to discuss moving the mosque to another location. again, this report, coming from "the washington post". apparently, congressman peter king of new york received a call from the governor earlier this morning, congressman king had requested that the governor getting involved here and the governor's office has been a little bit -- i don't want to say cagey but maybe that's the word to describe it about actually step going this issue but according to "the washington post" a meeting will happen later this week, to discuss moving this proposed mosque to another location. we'll continue to watch that. and we want to hear from you of course as well on our website, fox news.com/happening now, as we continue to look at this issue more, gregg. >> gregg: if you were in california -- colorado, you may have seen an incredible light show. very cool to watch but also can be deadly. the teenager who lived to tell her striking story is next. >> these cute cubs are not ordinary at all. ligers are a cross between a lion and tiger and it's illegal to breed them.
gregg new next hour, have you heard of it, a disturbing new crime and in teenage girls are especially vulnerable to it. brand new cia tapes just found of a suspected 9/11 plotter being interrogated. we're going to tell you what they show, what they mean. and same sex marriages on hold in california, look at the legal battle ahead over proposition eight. jenna: imagine driving down the road and seeing this, bolts of lightning, striking east colorado. this driver stayed far enough away but another car was hit. so luckily, no one inside was hurt. not necessarily the case for the 14-year-old, savannah bauer, she found out firsthand what a lightning
strike feels like. she said the sky was sunny, it was clear, she was washing her parent' car when she saw a flash of light and felt some pain. >> my whole right side of my body was tingling and my hand went numb soon after that and it started to hurt a little bit. >> do you feel pretty lucky? >> i feel extremely lucky. they had to do a whole bunch of heart tests and i was afraid i would have all these heart problems, and so i'm very thankful that it was just minor nerve stuff. jenna: how lucky is that. gregg the sky was clear, she said, but it can change that quickly. jenna: with these storms, that's how it goes. we're glad she's all right, savannah. gregg: police say a young mother has made a chilling con fretion, this -- confession, this woman admitted she suffered her children and made a fake car accident to cover her tracks. why police say she did it. jonathan serrie is live wither ]
jenna: we want to show you something called a liger, it's the offspring of a lion and tiring and these two cubs were recently born at a zoo in taiwan. they may look cute but are sparking controversy around the world because wildlife experts call this unethical. host of animal planet, dave, nice to have you with us. >> thank you for having me. >> dave, what do you think about this, is this unethical or sort of interesting? >> yeah, i think you hit the nail on the head, it's unethical. it's a situation where we know by bringing these animals, almost all of the offspring have health issues, yet we continue to breed them because somebody pays money to see it or i want to have this weird looking animal that nature
never intended. jenna: what kind of health issues could surface from this? >> everything from stillborn animals which i think is very common, to, you know, they get kidney failures really quickly. i do know that most have behavioral problems, what that means, they're not right in the head, which also can be pretty dangerous for people that are breeding them and trying to handle them. jenna: you're right, there were three cubs actually born, one apparently didn't survive and some say it could be because of the genetic issues. we have pictures of what these guys look like when they get older. they're just huge animals. just catastrophic size. i mean, have you ever seen one of these guys? >> i have seen one, and very similar to some of the cases here in the united states, just some guy who kept some tigers and thought it would be cool to get a liger and it was cute and nice and wanted to feed it and wanted me to touch it but it was something that i feel strongly against it. i still -- i feel like this is something that's a novelty for people and i
don't believe that animals are there for us to be amused by, and so with all that being said, i declined the opportunity to hang out with him. jen the breeder in taiwan says hey, you know, this lion, this tiger grew up together, sure, i kept them in the same cage for years but this breeding just sort of happened naturally, it just did. would that happen in nature? >> no. first of all, they wouldn't even cross paths in nature. but second of all, if you're going to have captive animals, it's your responsibility to understand their biology enough to know that a male and female could probably procreate and in this case, you have to do something to keep them from having cub, otherwise you'd have cubs all over the place you're never going to be able to afford to keep them of any species, let alone having two separate species. it's their job as the people housing these animals to manage for that kind of thing. jenna: sure. it looks like he may face a fine, $2500 or so and the ligers are there for people to see.
thank you very much for joining us and bringing your expertise, we appreciate it. >> thank you. gregg: millions of american families are getting hurt one way or another by the current housing crisis today. a big summit in washington on how to solve that problem. any real relief on the way? we'll ask our panel about that. plus the growing controversy over that planned mosque near ground zero, now it's becoming a campaign issue, and you are weighing in. we asked if this issue would affect the way you vote in november. joe tells us, quote, the candidates that i would vote for would never agree to the mosque, nobody with an ounce of compassion would. we'rewe're going to have a fair andy balanced debate and read your cosmments. keep it here. we know. i don't think you do. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup.
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crime, suffocating her two little boys, strapping them into her car and driving that car right into this river. 29-year-old dooley is originally saying the toddlers drowned after an accident, but police say her story never added up, and now she's charged with murder. jonathan serrie is reporting live in atlanta. jonathan, do we know anything about the motive here? >> reporter: hi, jenna. authorities say this mother was unable to financially care for her children. she lived with her own mother, and they say that the two would often get into arguments over this 29-year-old's parenting skills, this mother apparently highly critical of her daughter's ability to look after or not look after her own kids. authorities say it was after a particularly heated argument that this woman allegedly killed her own two sons by covering their mouths with her hands. listen. >> the statement was made by the mother that she had suffocated
her children and, of course, the children were dead when they was placed into the water. >> reporter: and, of course, when authorities found the kids, they were strapped in their car seats in the back of that vehicle that was found floating down the north river in south carolina. jenna? jenna: such a sad, sad story. why were the police suspicious? because they said during that press conference that right away they felt the story didn't add up. what kind of tipped them off to that? >> yeah, right away they didn't believe her story that she had been in a wreck because there were no skid marks, no signs of a car accident. to them it looked as if someone deliberately drove the car into the water or at the very best that it accidentally rolled into the water, but no signs of a wreck. also when they found her, when they found this mother, her clothes were dry. that's inconsistent with someone who was presumably or claimed to be struggling to get her children out of a sinking car.
so they didn't believe her from the get go. jenna: so what's next? what do we look for in this investigation? >> two things, two developments. later today they hope to complete an autopsy on the bodies of these two young boys to see whether they can confirm that they, indeed, were suffocated as the mother is claiming. also authorities are looking for the father. they don't believe that he was involved with this apparent murder at all, but he did not live with the mother, and they're hoping that if they can track him down, he might be able to shed some light on the family dynamics that may have led to this apparent crime. jenna: jonathan, thank you so much for bringing us up-to-date. >> reporter: certainly. jenna: out to california now. same-sex couples hoping to get married in california are going to have to wait a little wit longer. -- bit longer. this after a federal appeals court reversed a ruling that gay marriages could resume in this week. claudia cowan, what's the reaction so far?
>> reporter: well, obviously, those fighting for gay marriage are trying to make the best of this legal law saying they are gratified that the ninth circuit court of appeals has recognized the importance and pressing nature of this case and is moving to get it heard just as soon as possible. in fact, oral arguments are scheduled for the week of december 6th. jenna, that's pretty quick by legal standards. but for scores of gay and lesbian couples who had hoped to be able to tie the knot as soon as tomorrow afternoon, this emergency stay is a big disappointment. california governor jerry brown also discussing his concerns saying these couples are having their constitutional rights violated for every day that proposition 8 remains in effect. proponents of prop 8 who lost the last round are pleased to win this round. jenna, they had argued that having marriages happen during this interim period would be under a cloud of uncertainty and that would result in legal chaos. they say that the higher court here did the responsible thing by preserving the status quo
while the appeals move forward. jenna? jenna: you know, there's so much legal sparring over this case, claudia, and you know this better than anybody. there's some questions, now, about whether the lawyers for prop 8 even have legal standing here? can you tell us about that? >> reporter: this whole case could be dead on arrival if the court rules hay don't have legal standing. during the federal trial vaughn walker allowed the sponsors of prop 8 to defend the ban, but they're not really the defendants here, only the state is because, of course, they enforce the law. and in his ruling, judge walker hinted very strongly that an appeal may hinge on getting the governor or the attorney general to join the defense team. but, jenna, the chances of that happening are slim to none since the state has made it very clear it wants gay marriage to resume as soon as possible. so unless perhaps a county or some state entity gets onboard here, we could see this whole case end on a technicality because, in fact, the proper defendants are unwilling to challenge the verdict here. jenna: that's amazing.
claudia, thank you so much for breaking that down for us. claudia cowan in san francisco today. thank you. gregg: the battle over a mosque near ground zero now dividing the nation's most powerful democrats. senate majority leader harry reid coming down against president obama's seeming support for the mosque raising major strategy questions for democrats heading into midterm elections. and now new york's governor, david paterson, again reportedly trying to mediate the issue and raising the possibility of an alternative location nearby. matt lewis is a conservative columnist for politics tailly.com, dick is a former chairman of the democratic party in south carolina. gentlemen, good to see you both. >> good to see you. >> thank you. gregg: you know, dick, let me start with you since you're the democrat here. there's a report in the daily news, the democrats are vigorously complaining for the white house, they were blindsided by this. and rahm emanuel apparently is spending the last three days placing phone calls doing damage control with angry dems begging
them not to come out publicly against the president. would you agree that the white house bungled this thing? >> i wouldn't agree they bungled it. i think the president probably should have given folks a heads up on it. but let's remember, all he said was that folks ought to be able to practice their religion where they want to in this country. he didn't advocate the location of this mosque at this location, although i must say to you it is two and a half blocks away from ground zero, it is where a burlington coat factory store had been for a number of years. so, there are a number of bow gus issues here, but more important than that this is becoming and has been an emotional issue which, of course, i think many republicans would like to ignite so that the voters ignore the real issues this fall which are the economy, the wars we're fighting and how we resoft those in an -- resolve those in an irrational way. gregg: i'm sure you've never met a politician who doesn't like to
exploit an issue. matt, on friday the president seemed to endorse the notion of a mosque at ground zero, then the next day he backs off alienating those who support it. here's how the editorial in "the new york post" today put it. quote, does anybody really know what president obama's position is? he had an opportunity to show real leadership on the issue. instead, he made an even bigger muddle of it. not surprising, but sad. do they have a point? >> i think they do have a point. look, in politics where you're talking about campaign politics, nuance typically doesn't work. what happened is president obama came out with this statement, people thought they knew what he meant, that he supported the building of this mosque. then the next day or a couple days later he walks back from it, so what happens is his supporters are now lukewarm supporters, but his enemies are just as fired up. gregg: yeah. >> so really what happened is it's a lose/lose proposition. unfortunately, now for president obama most americans view him as supporting this mosque.
they don't get into the nuance over whether he believes that the wisdom, as he said, of it -- gregg: but, matt, let me stop you there. i want to be fair and, dick, i'll get to you in just a second, but republican chris christie is bucking his party, and he's saying, hey, come on, you guys, both sides are using this as a political football. is he the only guy with a clear head here? [laughter] >> first of all, barack obama made this an issue. this was not -- this was a pundit issue. this was something that was merely talked about maybe on cable the or on the blogs, but when president obama addressed it, he did inject this into the national bloodstream. now democratic people running for congress are going to have to answer this question. in terms of chris christie, look, i don't think his answer is a profile in courage either. he chose not to get into this great debate. he chose to, basically, say no comment. gregg: right. >> but try to position himself as taking the moral high ground. he really didn't have an answer.
gregg: dick, this is a president who has a proclivity, i think it's fair to say, to weigh in on just about every issue conceivable, even something as small as the arrest of a black professor over racial profiling allegations which is a local, purely municipal issue. and yet he won't weigh in on this issue which is important to a great many americans. how can you explain that? >> well, i think he has weighed in. he said -- gregg: no, no, he said, i will not comment on the wisdom of putting a mosque at ground zero. that's a quote. >> well, and i agree with him. that's a local issue to be dealt with by new york folks. patterson's attempting to work something out. and he doesn't live in new york, he's not part of that new york process. gregg: he weighed in boston, massachusetts -- >> whoa, whoa, he has said you should not make this decision based on religious bigotry. that's what he said, i believe that, and i believe most
americans believe that. now, the political pundits are going to parse this out and say, well, he's for a mosque there. that's not true. but that's what -- >> on election day, that's what most americans are going to think, though, that this is one more example of president obama being out of touch. look at elections in be places like ohio and north carolina. the perception now, fair or not, is that he supports this mosque which most americans don't. that's bad news. and by the way, forget about changing the subject, if we talk about the economy, if we talk about the war, obama still loses. gregg: dick, the co-founder of hamas backs the project, and the leader at ground zero refuses to label hamas as a terrorist organization which our federal government does. does that give you pause and should it? >> it sounds like he's the islamic version of jerry falwell. he's not advocating violence, he's not part of -- gregg: the mosque does. >> -- apparently a pretty
conservative islamic preacher. the islamic version of jerry falwell. gregg: it's true hamas has a political wing, but it's also labeled a terrorist group. thank you so much for being with us, dick and matt. >> thank you. gregg: by the way, we asked how politicians stand on the mosque issue and whether that would effect your vote. dr. alice said, i think politicians' stand on this issue will influence some voters but not truly thinking voters. gregg: another viewer called angelic investor says: build elsewhere, yes. candidates' instant will e effect the vote. go to foxnews.com/happening now. jenna: well, we're following some breaking news out of texas today. harris is following the
developments out of a shooting on a campus of colin college just north of dallas. >> yeah, located just across the street from the police department in mckinney. and so what police are saying now, and we're getting this directly from the city as well, someone opened fire outside of the police station. that person is dead. we don't know if that was self-inflicted or if by police bullets. but because it happened so close to the college campus, they locked that down. that lockdown has been listed. we have been told that in about, oh, 12, 1 minutes from now there's a news conference planned by the mckinney police department. they had been on a manhunt for a second suspect. we're now being able to report to you, according to the city, the gunman who apparently opened fire is the person who died, but a second suspect they have now apprehended. we'll learn a lot more about this at this news conference, but the good news is that the students, faculty and administrators who were on campus of the college county
community college there, the central park campus, are all reported to be fine. everything is back open. classes are not going on, but administratively it's back open, and the police department is still cordoned off as they work the scene. jenna: all right, harris. thank you. greg, over to you. gregg: if you're a frequent flyer, there's a deal for you. what one airline is now offering for less than $700. plus, we're live in chicago, an update on the rod blagojevich corruption trial, what the jury is doing today that it has not done before. [ male announcer ] if you have type 2 diabetes,
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attack in australia off the southwestern coastline where great whites are rather common. bottom box, jetblue bringing back its all you can jet pass that allows passengers to fly to an unlimited number of cities over a one-month period. the price? $69 #. not bad. jenna: breaking news, jurors are deliberating for a 14th day in the blagojevich trial. mike tobin is live with the latest on this. mike, every day we ask the question, is today the day we get a decision? what do you think? >> reporter: well, if there is a decision, the most likely scenario is that it would be a partial verdict. as we heard from this jury before that they had been deadlocked on all but two counts and hadn't been able to decide anything related of the wire fraud charges. the judge sent them back with an
emphasis on deciding those wire fraud charges or at least making an attempt. and every indication is that they're in the thick of that ross right now. i would speculate at that right now, and all i can do is speculate, that the jury question we have just received will have to deal with specifics related to one of the wire fraud charges. there was the prediction that the jury would do this a few times before they, ultimately, came to some sort of decision. jenna: and we know it's a complex case, and many predicted, as you were mentioning, there's going to be a lot of questions coming from this jury just to figure out what to do next. the jury just yesterday asked for some transcripts. what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: this was transcripts they asked for related to the testimony of a former deputy governor of illinois who testified about an alleged attempt by rod blagojevich to put pressure on then-congressman rahm emanuel so he would convince his brother,
ari, to hold a fundraiser for governor blagojevich. it is all wrapped up into an extortion charge, but bse there ere arphphonone calls mad, there's a wire tap fraud charge tacked on to it. counts 3-13, this is wire fraud count number 3. every indication that it's still going to be a little while until we get some kind of final decision from this jury. jenna: doesn't seem like an easy job. mike token for us in chicago. gregg: videotape of a 9/11 terrorist, the cia finds tapes of ramsey binal seen being interrogated for years that there were no tapes, they were destroyed. what they mean to the war on terror. plus, teenage girls facing a brand new danger, how pornographers are targeting them line. @=h
jenna: well, right now we're seeing disturbing new trends in terrorism with home grown terror plots on the rise and more americans taking leadership positions within al-qaeda and splinter groups as well. national correspondent catherine herridge is live in washington and on this story. catherine, what do we know about these two men who are, apparently, plotting attacks against our country, the u.s.? >> reporter: well, thanks, jenna. well, first and foremost, there's the cleric linked to fort hood, the attempted bombing christmas day, and that's anwar al-awlaki. he's now believed to be hiding in yemen. according to u.s. officials, he's taken on an operational role where his clear focus is planning attacks, also adnan shukrijumah, he's now ascended to the group's top ranks. he's from florida. the two operatives have the
distinct advantage of understanding how our system works, how it can be used against us and what our vulnerabilities are. significantly, two other americans, one from alabama and another from california, do propaganda for al-qaeda, but they are not considered players, if you will, or people who are calling the shots on a day-to-day basis. jenna: yeah, it's a scary trend to hear about those that may be living among us also plotting against us. we hear about these new cia interrogation tapes, many thought they didn't exist, what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: that's right. a short time ago we had confirmation that tapes of ramzi bin al-shibh do exist. it was long believed that the high-value detainee tapes had been destroyed. ramsey binal seen, it was alleged he was a principal planner in the attacks who wired money from germany to the u.s. once the hijackers were here.
these tapes do exist, but they only show him at a desk being questioned. and for some context, he was not one of the three high-value detainees who were water boarded by the cia. jenna: catherine, thanks again for your expertise on this. >> reporter: you're welcome. gregg: let's bring in steven razor, a former jag officer. good to see you, steve. >> good to see you too. gregg: boy, you better follow the rules in front of a federal judge, because if you don't, evidence could be excluded or suppressed. that's relevant here, isn't it? >> it certainly is relevant. the first problem that the united states government has from my perspective is a pr nightmare, number one, because what they're saying here is, okay, we didn't know the tapes existed. now, that's one thing. it's quite another to say, we didn't think the tapes existed because we thought we destroyed them with all the other ones. so that is not a position they want to be in, defending that position, okay? so that's the first problem they have.
second problem they have is that even though this is likely to go before a military commission as he's currently before right now, the proceedings are suspended. however, as much as the tapes could come in, even if they're deemed to have been coerced, if they're deemed to have been a product of torture, they will not. number two, if there's misconduct, they can also be suppressed. and remember the ted stevens case. there's a point where the court will just throw out the entire case, and this is true even on the military commission as well. gregg: i can't remember the name of the case, but it says essentially that if the government treats a defendant unconscionably, if it shocks the conscious, the entire case could be thrown out. >> absolutely. and that's what we saw with ted stevens, and we could see it here again. of course, now it's a national security issue because we have one of the masterminds behind the 9/11 terrorist plots sitting there, which now he is vulnerable -- or the government is vulnerable of actually losing the case because they're
destroying evidence. gregg: ramzi bin al-shibh as apparently developed mental problems, it's unclear whether he has a long standing history of that. he's on antipsychotic medication. the defense is claiming, hey, this guy is not competent to stand trial. could these tapes be used as to that issue alone? >> oh, certainly could be, and i think that's probably one of their biggest concerns as well because of the fact that if these tapes do shed light on that, they can't even accept a guilty plea. he's got to be competent to understand the ramifications of that plea. gregg: let's assume that on the tapes he confesses to everything. and assume that the tapes are excluded or suppressed by the government for whatever reason. >> right. gregg: isn't there still a plethora of admissions and confessions by ramzi bin al-shibh? >> absolutely, there is, and if he did continue to profess his guilt, then they could get around the fact they don't have
the videotaped confessions. however, they do need evidence corroborating, they have to have something besides just his confession in order to insulate from the possibility where somebody's taking a plea just for the sake of bringing attention to an issue when he's not, in fact, guilty. gregg: in the end, how do you think these tapes will be handled? >> well, they're going to be turned over and reviewed, and if there's evidence which is favorable to the defense, it will be used. i think there's a good possibility even under the military commissions where these tapes will be suppressed, but if they are, it doesn't mean the defense can't use them if they deem they're helpful to them. gregg: can you figure out how in the world tapes as important as this, a principle player in the 9/11 attacks, his incarceration and interrogation are stuffed under somebody's desk and discovered years later? >> right, and the next point, how did those tapes end up there, of all places, under a desk in this an insecure area,
number one, and number two, who put them there? and who else possibly had access to them? it shows there's a problem with the structure in the military itself where these tapes were allowed to be kept separately and not guarded. gregg: well, they may be self-authenticating because good luck with a chain of control over -- >> that's an issue. videotapes, not a big issue there. but it looks like a win/win for the defense. gregg: all right, steven, good to see you. thanks. jenna: turning to our economy, the mortgage meltdown is still definitely rocking the business world. fannie mae and freddie mac now costing us nearly $150 billion and maybe even more. how the government is now trying to get home lending back on track as well as our economy. plus, the big apple is back in business. why tourists are bullish on new york city. that ahead, just ahead. ♪
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gregg: welcome back. bottom of the hour, here's what's happening right now. we're awaiting a news conference on a gunman who opened fire just outside the cullen county community college campus. that put the school on lockdown. and we're lye on wall street -- live on wall street, stocks rising after a report showing wholesale prices for the first time since march and a big jump in industrial production. flesh.
jenna: well, america's ailing housing industry at a summit in washington d.c. it's happening right now. treasury secretary tim geithner saying the current system of government support for the mortgage market is going to have to change. >> it is not tenable to leave in place the system we have today. we will not support returning fannie and freddie to the role they played before conservatorship where they fought to take market share from private competitors while enjoying the privilege of government support. jenna: so changes coming. how do we fix the housing market for millions of americans who still want to buy a home or at least stay in the one they're in? the directer of financial education studies at the cato institute has been attending this summit, a real estate analyst danny vab is ceo of the vab group. thank you for joining me today. >> great to be here. jenna: mark, starting off with you, just explain something really broad to us, why do
fannie and freddie matter to this economy each if we're not -- even if we're not homeowners? >> well, they play a big role in buying mortgages from lenders and putting them into pools of mortgage-backed securities on their balance sheet so, one, they are facilitating with the help of the patrol government keeping the mortgage -- federal government keeping the mortgage money flowing. but even more importantly, i think, to the taxpayer we're looking at at least 140 government estimates are in the range of 400 billion as far as a trillion dollars that we'll spend, and it's important to contrast this to the bank bailouts. these are just covering losses, money we will not get back. so if we're looking at spending half a trillion to a trillion dollars, i think everybody should set up and take notice of that. jenna: it's definitely a big number. as mark mentioned, these two entities allow business to really take place with a government guarantee that makes investors feel more comfortable.
if we're investing that much money, maybe upwards of a trillion dollars, are we getting our money's worth? >> i think the investments are structured as a senior preferred share agreement, so this isn't public taxpayer money that is simply being handed over to fannie and freddie. it is in the form of senior preferred shares, and there are obligations that go along with that, payments that have to be made back to the treasury and the public purse. jenna: but will they ever pay that back, sam? >> that is a great question. i think it really is an open question, one that has a lot to do with what their future structure will be. right now we know that they don't generate enough income to make the obligations that they've already taken on through this program. and so this question, well, how do we restructure them, what will housing finance look like? which is a much bigger question than just what do we do with fannie mae and freddie mac. unfortunately, jenna, there is no consensus that has emerged in washington or in the public debate about exactly what housing finance should look
like. jenna: hey, dani, you deal with real estate every day, housing finance as well. when it comes to loans being available at this time, is fannie mae and freddie mac, are they helping the market or hurting it? >> no, they're hurting it. in fact, there's a controversial practice that they're using called rescoring where, basically, the buyer right before they closed gets rescored again, literally the day of closing, and if that credit score has fallen below their standard even because you charged groceries and it's something as simple as a $50 credit card balance, they're blocking the loan from closing, and we're starting to see that happen more often. it's great thai tightened -- they've tightened standards, but you can overtighten to the point where you start to hinder the market. and also fannie and freddie, their requirements tend to drive what a lot of private lenders or public banks do. the more we see them tighten, the more the entire market begins to shrink as well. jenna: dani, we have a graph for our viewers that shows mortgage
delinquencies, and you're going to see this huge spike. i mean, we haven't really seen driven question si rates like this forever. at least one late-notice on some of them. what is your view on this market for the next 12 months? do you think we're going to get a real recovery here? >> no, absolutely not. and the more we try to use government regulation or tax breaks to artificially prop the market, the worse off we're going to do. i think we're going to see the foreclosure numbers hit the 4million mark. i'm not so, i'm not very bullish, unfortunately, on the real estate market. there are, obviously, some great deals, but it's going to take time to flush them through. jenna: you know, sam, can government involvement actually help the housing market? >> i think most economists are of the viewpoint and certainly i can't speak for, you know, the full array, but there's a really hard case to make here for the government's footprint in the housing sector to be quite as large as it is, as it has been
over the course of the last decade or few decades. ultimately, what i think we can make a reasonable case for is a much smaller government foot print. government, perhaps, focused on insuring the availability of affordable housing and more income-constrained neighborhoods. we do see industrialized economies where homeownership is something that the private market is able to address quite well on its own. jenna: mark, you've been inside that summit. are you hearing that shift, hey, let's shift away from some of these programs and really rely on the private sector? >> you know, it's surprising, while there's a large number of views, i'm actually pleasantly surprised that there's a large number of people, including treasury secretary geithner, that are calling for less risk. there really is a lot of talk about we need to get more of this risk into the private sector, take the taxpayer off the hook, and ask more of our
homeowners. we need to have reasonable underwriting standards so that we don't continue to have these housing bubbles. jenna: mark, is that even possible to have that really happen? >> well, the question is going to be, you know, short term versus long term. i do think you need to find a glide path and a transition period where we can get the government out of this, but there are many countries around the world, canada, for instance, has a home homeownership rate hr than ours, and they don't have this level of involvement. you can do this in a way where you can get a relatively high home homeownership rate. jenna: final question, how long until we're through this? how long is it going to take to get back to a more quote-unquote normal real estate market? sam, what do you think? >> i think it's going to take a number of years. as you pointed out, it would be unlikely that we'd see significant upward pressure on prices while delinquencies, foreclosures, short sales are
still dominating market activity, and that's going to make it very difficult. we also don't have a normalization around mortgage rates in part because of the inflows and outflows as people see changes in the economy. jenna: we just lost dani. maybe that was her answer. i know how she feels. sam, really quick, you said a couple of years. i know economists don't necessarily like to give specifics, do you mean, like, two, or ten? >> yeah, later on, a decade out, potentially, before we see real normalization, robust activity in the housing market. we've got to be careful, jenna, i know people have focused a lot of attention on, well, you know, how many new homes are we building, what's permitting like? in a lot of communities around the country we need to be very careful about this. expansion of supply in housing is not necessarily something that's going to be helpful, and we should be very careful about putting in place incentive programs that might encourage new development where it's not warranted. jen so many construction workers out of work, and then we don't
necessarily need those new projects, so it's a tough thing. mark, real quick, how long do you think it's going to take before we see a more regular housing market and maybe better regulation too? >> i have to largely agree with sam on this, we're going to be a number of years, five or six minimum, before most parts of the country start to see, you know, solid appreciation. i actually think for the next year in many parts of the country we're going to see continued declines, probably 5 maybe even 10% in some places. we're threw most of -- through most of it, but not all of it by in means. many of these government incentives actually increase the level of supply production. in and a lot of parts of the country they're still building far more than they should be, so we have a very long ways away before we're going to start working down the inventory. and it's hard to see mortgage rates going much lower, and that's going to have pressure down on house prices a year or two from now. jenna: great point. all those homes, who's going to buy 'em?
low mortgage rates, but who has a job to afford it? >> i just bought, so it's not necessarily all bad. jenna: oh, you did? >> if you're going to buy for the long term and be there for over a decade, make sure you love the house. go ahead and buy. but this is not a time to go in and think you're going to flip in six months or a year. jenna: good point. sam, did you buy a house too? >> in 2004. i've been able to hold my own so far. jenna: that's good. at least there is some buyers in the market. mark and sam and dani as well, look forward to having you kauais back -- guys back soon. gregg: i've got a house, it's a doghouse at the moment. ten years before it's normal? i'll be in a nursing home by then. all right. how pornographers are targeting teens and others, forcing them to pose for explicit photos and videotapes. plus, live shot of times square, why tourism in the big apple is hotter than ever. so are the temps today, in the 90s. that's next. and in the meantime, check out what stories are clicking at
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discover the best of what's next at the new aarp.org. gregg: well, you probably know that new york city is a sizzling hot spot, and the big apple is now on track to set a brand new record. rick leventhal is reporting live from times square. hey, rick, tells about the numbers. >> reporter: 23 and a half million visitor in the first six months of this year, gregg, and i can confirm that because i bumped into half of them on the way to work. on pace for 47.5 million visitor in new york city by the end of 2010 when that ball drops at midnight on december 31st. that is a new record for new york city, and a $30 billion boost to tourism here. fantastic numbers that they're celebrating, they're saying record crowds here on broadway, record crowds hitting the museums and other sites around new york city, and one of the reasons why is because according to tourism officials, we keep
reinventing ourselves. listen. >> people have a lot of repeat visitation because the city's always changing, so there are new restaurants, there are new theaters, there's new shows, there's new hotels, there's new attractions, there's new exhibitions, so there's always many reasons to keep coming back. >> reporter: and the city says that all of these new tourists mean 6,000 more jobs every single month for people in the new york region, 315,000 jobs total, they say, supported by the tourism, gregg. gregg: i've been here almost 20 years, and everything still seems new to me. where are most of these visitor coming from, rick? >> reporter: well, a lot are coming from overseas, about 20%, they say, of the total are international visitor in part because the euro is strong and the dollar is weak, so their dollar goes farther here. but they're also seeing a lot of domestic visitor because a lot of the hotels and restaurants are offering better deals, and corporations, they say, are
spending more for business trips, for conventions and big events here in new york city. and we talked to some of the locals about why they're coming and coming back. here's what they told us. >> if you can't find something to do in new york city, you can't find anything to do anywhere. >> we were here, like, five years ago, and we had a blast, so we thought we'd come back and see it again. >> i just feel like i'm on a high every second of the day. i got no sleep, but i'm ready to party now. >> reporter: and if new york isn't busy enough, gregg, the major has a -- mayor has a goal, he says, 50 million by 2012. gregg: yes, he's ready to party. party on. all right, thanks very much, rick. jenna: listen to this, it's called sextortion. we're going to tell you how to keep your child safe just ahead. plus, investigators searching for answers after a plane crash they're calling a miracle. how is it possible that nearly everyone survived? we're going to tell you what authorities have learned so far, just ahead. are you receiving a payout from a legal settlement
jenna: well, mow to a disturbing new crime targeting teenagers. it's calls sextortion. pornographers finding inappropriate pictures of kids online, they contact them and threaten to expose their behavior to their families or friends unless they pose for even more explicit images or maybe even more than that. here to talk about this, ernie allen, president and ceo of the national center for missing and exploited children. so nice to have you, mr. allen. >> thank you, jenna. jenna: talk to us about just how big of a trend this is. >> we think it's a huge problem. our research has estimated that one in five teenagers in america today engage in sexting which means taking digital photos, sending, receiving or forwarding them in which the kid is nude or
engaged in sexually explicit behavior. what we're trying to tell america's kids is you need to think before you post. once they're out there, you can't get them back, and all kinds of negative things can happen. jenna: one in five is just, it's a huge amount, and i think when we think about some of these nude photos, we think about it just as being young girls, but there's been a lot of situations where this also involved teenage boys. tell us about that. >> well, i mean, one dramatic story that was certainly in the media a year or so ago involved a take -- teenage boy in wisconsin who posted a photo of an attractive young girl on a social networking site, ultimately was able to get 30 of his high school classmates to send sexually-explicit photos of themselves, all boys, which this boy then used to extort many of them into sex. he was prosecuted, sentenced to 15 years in prison. but i think the most startling thing about it is these kids feel alone, they don't know who
to tell, they're reluctant to report. this case was only disclosed, only discovered because of an accident. jenna: yeah, it's embarrassing. that predator in wisconsin was only 18 years old. do you find that those that get caught doing this, do they pay? do they go to prison? >> well, we certainly have a number of high-profile cases, and many of these sextorters are not other kids. many of them are adults who hone in on these kids, challenge them, blackmail them to send them, as you pointed out, more explicit photos or even have sex with them. so we're getting serious sentences, but in the vast majority of these cases the kids don't tell. jenna: uh-huh, sure. >> they don't report. so we need to learn about many more of this 'em. jenna: you know, really quick final question here, what about personal respondent? some of the kids that we're talking about are 18, 19 years old posting some of these photos
online. if they didn't post the photos at all, we wouldn't have a crime to begin with, so how do we get the message out more, you just can't put naked photos on the internet? >> well, we're trying to do that. kids, particularly teenagers, tend to have this sense of immortality. they don't understand the consequences of their actions. this is not only leading to illegal activity and criminal charges, it's affecting their ability to get jobs, to get into college. once these photos are out there, they stay out there forever. so we hope parents will become more involved, talk to their kids, know what their kids are doing, and to the kid who's experiencing sextortion, report it. report it to the national center at cyber tip line.com or call your local police. jenna: great advice and serious son sequences. ernie allen, the president and ceo for the national center of missing and exploited children. we appreciate your insight, sir.
>> reporter: i'm harris faulkner at the breaking news desk, want to bring you up to speed on the situation in mckinney, texas, a suburb of dallas, police are hole ago news conference and clearing up some of the questions and details, and apparently, there was a shooter near the campus of collin county community college but they believe the target was a public safety building. they say a man pulled up in a ford pickup truckload with ammunition, he opened fire, that truck caught on fire, ammo fired, that guy, believed dead. there are no other suspects they're in pursuit of, the college campus is no longer in lockdown, and police are continuing the investigation to see why anybody would target the publi