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i'm liz kreutz in for kristen sze today. thank you to our daily program called "getting answers." we get answers from experts in realtime. today, i'll share my conversation with the president of san jose's police officer association. they along with san francisco's police union announced their plan for reform and a pledge to remove racist officers. we'll also get reaction to this plan from a local law professor, but first, some big news today with the fda drug's hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat covid-19. so what does this mean? that's whatjoing me is ucsf inf disease specialist, peter chin hahn and you can always ask your
questions in realtime on facebook live and youtube live, so extend us your questions right now and we'll get chatting. good afternoon, doctor. thanks for joining us. >> my pleasure, liz. thanks for having me on. >> so doctor, for people who are just joining us right now, as they're starting to put their questions in, tell us a little bit about what the fda has announced today regarding hydroxychloroquine. >> for many of us in the field, it's kind of about time, i think we were all surprised that it got an eua designation in the first place. eua emergency authorization, there's enough evidence the drug actually works. we never really had enough evidence. it was only in the test tube in a petri dish that killed virus but never in a human and i think more than three studies now that haven't been rerbuked shows this
doesn't work. >> how much of a change to revoke this emergency use? are we surprised by it? >> i think we're not surprised by it. a lot of people in the scientific community, actually happy because it really is consistent with how we should be approving drugs under the authorization. the drug remdesivir, made by gilead, as a result of the trials, was put an eua and that sequence of data, then eua, was the way in which we expect that eua designation to go and in the case of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, there was no data, there was eua designation, now there's data so it was revoked. >> we're getting the question in from one of the viewers who say, what were the side effects of hydroxychloroquine. >> so the side effects of hydroxychloroquine are mainly heart-related. so they were mainly rhythm problems that when people got
put on the drug they had, particularly, the sicker you were, the higher the chance that you'd have it. in not as sick patients, maybe they'd have problems we wouldn't see in the hospital setting. we were monitoring patients closely and the studies that the patientsesper walized, one of the studies published in the british medical journal, there was about a 10% chance of having heart problem if you were put on hydroxychloroquine for covid. >> interesting, and for people who already were prescribed this and hearing that the fda is removing its emergency use, what would you tell them? should they be concerned? >> i would say that if you're in the middle of a course, i'm always one for completing the course. i mean, i'm not saying that there is no chance in any setting that it does work, but the evidence of the settings we
use for treatment doesn't seem so, but if you're under supervision of somebody or already in the middle of the course, i would say just finish it. if you've had problems, of course, the risk benefit calculus would suggest that you stop it, and if you're just about to start it, i would say probably don't go through with it because i would talk to the person who prescribed it to you because there's less evidence and it may cause you some harm. >> this seem like an elementary question but what exactly is hydroxychloroquine? >> it's a drug that's not an anti-viral. so that's why, from the first place, it's probably unlikely to work. we've never had a virus treated by something that's not an anti-virus drug. for example, if you're taking a tamiflu, it's an anti-viral drug that actually targets the life cycle of the virus for influenza. when you're taking an hiv drug, those are all anti-hiv drugs
that target very specifically something about hiv ability to propagate itself. first, it's a ma lalaria drug ad then resumetize arthritis. so it's what we call an anti-me tab lite drug. it actually sort of interferes with response of the immune system, which is very active in conditions like rheumatoid arthritis. it kind of quiets it down, so it really doesn't make something that you use something not for virus for a virus. >> right, what does it mean though to remove it from emergency use and will doctors still be able to prescribe it? >> yeah, totally, doctors will still be able to prescribe it but it will be off-label, but it is protected for doctors to prescribe off-label because it's fda approved for rheumatoid
arthritis. i would say, what it means in eua is both symbolic and a practical operational indications. what happened with the drug companies and other people donated a lot of what we call the emergency use or the national stockpile. we use that in cases of emergency, the governor can actually release a lot of drugs to states who need it. and that's what's happening with remdesivir right now. in the case of hydroxychloroquine, for example, they released a bunch to florida and it's kind of sitting in the florida public health group and people don't know what to do does, it allows the government to release things kind of in donations and stockpiles, like kind of an emergency, it doesn't really fit in from a medical perspective.
>> that makes sense. a lot of vacc >> overall, i'm kind of optimistic. the vaccine work is going much faster than people think. but on the other hand, it's not going to be tomorrow. it's probably not even going to be january 2021, but probably in the spring, we will probably have enough of the most promising one to treat a group of patients with or a group of people in public with. of course, some of the front runners are being funded by the u.s. government, operation warp speed and i think they've designated five people or five groups that they have the most promise and some of them include a group from oxford, a group from boston, that's there's a collaboration with pfizer in germany.
some of these companies are getting additional funding and usually, you'll notice there's a combination of a lab where they develop the vaccine and the farmer company that has the introduction to deliver the vaccine and the funds from the government are sort of meant to accelerate that delivery, so in terms of one, for example, in phase three, means they'll test thousands of people soon in a month or two, and the initial evidence from some of the early vaccine groups like the ones in boston or in england, they've shown when you give it to somebody, a small group of people, you can develop the good anti-bodies that we hope would then protect people from getting covid, but of course, we don't know who's getting protection against covid yet because that's not the phase that the vaccine is being studied in yet. >> right, absolutely. really quick because i think
we've got to wrap up, or can we continue a little bit right now? okay, we're going to coiniv str. we have a lot of questions we want to get to but take a quick break right now here on tv. we've covered covid and we look at police reform when we come back. local unions want adopted nationwide. and we hear from the san jose police officer association about this and defunding, but i wantha tor.
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police unions. san jose and the l.a. protective league promise to create a national database of former officers fired for gross misconduct, a use of force standard emphasizing deescalation, ongoing crisis intervention for police officers and a publicly accessible web site and use of force analysis. that all came with the statement saying it's an important step towards improving police and community outcomes. so i talked with paul kelly, the president of san jose's police officer association about this and the idea of defunding the police. my first question though, was how will this pledge really root out racist officers? >> well, i think as we listen in washington, dc about police reform and we hear politicians talk, attorneys, so-called experts, i think what's important is, let's not forget the rank and file. who needs to be at the table are
association leaders across the nation to talk about these serious, serious discussions and policies, especially if we're going to make it a national policy. >> so what changes, if any, are made to how officers are trained? >> well, i think training is key. if you talk to any officer, they always want more training. for example, just to qualify with a gun in some agencies, you only have to qualify once a year. that's ridiculous. when you talk about deescalation tactics, when yu talk about dealing with the mentally ill, some get 10 hours of training. that's it. 40 hours of training in the academy. training is a huge component of what we're talking about in combination with the policies and good solid concrete policies that, number one, keep officerss safe and the community safe. if you have those two items, we should put it on the table and
talk about it. >> so as you know, there's a lot of talk right now about defunding the police or reimagining thee and potentially taking some of the funds from police departments and instead, investing that money in communitydoou believe e to that idea that it could, as some believe, help stop crime in the long-term? >> well, i would say this. if you need money in communities of color for all of those reasons, education, job, the youth, but defunding is going to hurt those communities. calls for service will arise, there will be less officers, less training. all the things that our community wants us to do to be better, to respond faster, you start talking about defunding, you're taking that away. so it doesn't help anybody. doesn't help the cops and sure doesn't help the communities they serve. >> so there's going to be people saying this in our conversation, we've seen reforms before. nothing changed before and they'll question how these
changes are going to be any different. what do you say to that? >> i think it's a valid question. because when horrific incidents happen like it happened to george floyd, everybody wants to talk about it and start having an opinion, being symbolic, somehow. what i'm saying, l.a., san francisco, and many other associations across the nation is, let's do it. let's not just sit at a table and keep talking about it for the next two or three years. let's do it. let's get policy in place that's good. let's get the training and get the funding to do both of those things. >> last question for you. of the reforms announced today, which do you think will be most significant in really making change? >> well, you know, they're all kind of tied together. i would say that when you start talking about a national use of force policy, doesn't quite get bigger than that. but with that, youllye to have the other items, early
morning system, the training, database, local on web sites for people to access all the use of force in their own city. you've really got to have all those components. >> is there a commitment not to hire once they get put that in database? >> when an officer is fired for something horrific, gross misconduct and we have to figure out what that is, right, then they shouldn't be a police officer anymore. i don't think there's a police officer in this country that wants someone on their force watching their back if they did something horrific and got fired for it. >> all right, so that was the president of the san jose police officer's association there. you heard now from a local police officer's association, so we're going to get reaction now. when we get back, just take a quick break on air, we'll continue this conversation on continue this conversation on our
> welcome back. we started getting into what defunding police means last weekend. san francisco came out with new reform policies. now rigc news anchor reggie aq a conversation with criminal law professor w with you, we all do. take a listen. >> we've been hearing a lot about this call from protesters to defund the police and there's been just about every definition you can think of when it comes to what defunding means. and we are seeing some police chiefs and mayors respond to it and others here in the bay area not so much, so where are you seeing this trend going right now? >> well, it really started with angela davis and ruth wilson gilmore andorofal, think tt way t understand it is a reorientation.
away from using the police as all social responders and funding the things that would ameliorate or help at the root cause of what causes people to be violent or use substances or things like that. iss a mome, i ink theun premise is let's shrink the footprint of the police and try things like homelessness and drug treatment, things like that. >> that brings a lot of questions about how exactly that would work. for example, in san francisco, the mayor has said that she only wants police going on calls where a crime may have been committed, which would, we assume, take out calls that could apply to homeless camps, or even someone who's having a mental health crisis on the streets, and the question is, so who does respond to those cas? qution to aing right
now. i think maybe one thing that i might say is our conception of what the police are has never been fixed at any point of history, no professional police until the 1930s and boston was? first place and what their jobs were has changed over time. in some ways, this is just a return to those kind of questions about what we want police to do but you're right, if i as a citizen call in, how do i know if this person is having a mental health crisis or a substance use problem or whatever, and those are the kinds of things that i think will need to iterate and experiment with, and that's maybe the good thing about the fact that most police are done at the municipal level because we can have different cities doing different things and learning from each other about it. >> and we are hearing now from police unions including in san francisco and they have responded and they have said that, okay, well, we do need to
do something. they don't believe necessarily in defunding the police because that goesst o interest but they seem to be at least giving some ground there that there has to be some reform including putting out lists of cops who have had a history of problems that they are now in a national database. that does seem like a possible step forward. >> it is a step forward. what's frustrating is that why have we not had this for so long and the answer is, those same police unions have thought that. if an officer is convicted of a felony, why on earth should we make it hard? why on earth should anyone ever rehire that police officer? those are great starting points but those are the starting points that movement people 0r5a what works best for everybody.
it's one of the things that's missing is, are police working for everyone in the way we want them to? are they making all communities feel safer? i think if i were an african-american in minneapolis or san francisco or atlanta, i might feel like calling the police is not going to actually help me. so i would like us to make sure that when we do have police, that everyone feels safer on the scene. >> gives you plenty to talk about. >> yeah, and i think the other thing i want to say, and i'm glad you're asking questions about the blocking and tackling and implementation issues here. i think it's one thing to sort of have splashy conversations about what should the police look like and it's another thing to sort of devote the resources and time and attention to the sort of boring but extremely important parts of how we implement new policies, and that, i think, is really maybe where i come down as a law professor. the devil is always going to be in the details, and that's going to take sustained effort and
it's going to take intense concentration and ioingo tng ow eas piceseem ch reallyt. officers who committed violent acts against citizens? those are details in contract negotiations that take place at the municipal level and that's not typically something that someone rallies around and says, hey, let's go to a budget hearing at the city council meeting but going to a budget hearing at the city council meeting is where we're going to find out just how much the police are going to be reformed and how some of these change are actually going to be implemented. >> really interesting conversation and i love his bookshelf behindght, we're taki on air but the conversation will continue on live streams including facebook live and when we come
platform. more from our special correspondent, dr. dr. alok patel part of our coronavirus he's going to talk directly to you in a segment we're calling doctor's note. >> my name is dr. dr. alok patel. i'm losing track of what day it is. we've been sheltered in place for months and like many others, i have quarantine fatigue but sadly, statistics and data are reminding us that we're still very much in the first wave of this pandemic. yes, on today's doctor note, i'll be the fun police. in the very beginning, people were asking, is it safefl stras freaked out and doing everything they could to
follow all the public health eo are once again asking if they can push the boundaries, attend house parties, go to weddings or have a beach party? what's happening is people are experiencing quarantine fatigue. that fight or flight response and i think people focusing on safety guidelines is wearing off. but we can't let our guard down. even though businesses are reopening, you aren't seeing the same type of images on the news, doesn't mean the covid-19 threat has subsided. it's still very real. we just passed 2 million cases and 116,000 deaths in the united states and their predictions, we could see another 100,000 deaths by fall if we aren't careful and look at right now. according to the covid tracking project, since memorial day, cases have gone up in over 20 states. the virus is hitting states in the south and southwest particularly hard including my home state, arizona. there's no one reason behind all this. likely a combination of lifted
restrictions, more socialse gui strictly but we have to stay vigilant and fight the quarantine burnout. it's hard, i know. we're social creatures. everyone's over it. but we have to shift our mindset and remind ourselves why we're following such measures. so keep washing your hands, keep wearing those masks and physically distance wherever you can. instead of focusing on what we're all losing, let's try to think about what we're going to gain and how many lives we're going to save if we stay strong. oh, and lastly, if anyone has any show or movie recommendations, please hit me up on social media. thank you. >> same here, please. i feel like i've watched all of netflix but i am watching "killing eve" on hulu that was recommended, very good, sandra oh. thank you for joining us on this interactive show. we got answers from peter chin hahn, on revoking emergency use of hydroxychloroquine and
chloroquine to treat covid-19 and we heard from a local police union about national reform. every tonight, breaking news amid the answerering in atlanta over the deadly police shooting of rayshardin t911 calls. the family breaking down in tears in front of the cameras today, demanding the officers involved be charged with his death. rayshard brooks found sleeping in his car. body camera showing a calm exchange for about 20 minutes, then struggling with officers, taking one of their tasers, appearing to turn around. tonight, one officer fired, the other on administrative leave. the police chief resigning. will there be charged? also tonight, the fbi now joining the case in the death of a black man found hanging from a tree in the central square of a ily doe n in california. f believe it was suicide. the newly released audio in the killing of george floyd in