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"this week" with "this week" with george stephanopoulos starts now. >> breaking news reports of 17 u.s. missionaries and their families have been kidnapped in haiti. what we are learning this morning. >> logs jammed. >> we need all hands-on deck. >> a surprise chain crisis. empty shelves. president biden calling on businesses to break the bottom. >> we came to the port to see this ourself to see how this unprecedented situation affected us all. we follow this supply chain from the port.
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>> what are you seeing on a day-to-day basis? >> to don't panic but make sure you are prepared >> the latest this morning. and an fda panel recommends johnson & johnson booster for a wide group. those 18 and older, are they at greater risk? now questions on mixing and matching vaccines. dr. fauci joins us this morning. plus, out of the shadows. >> most of the world heard your name five years ago, why speak out now? >> the former british spy who released that dossier on trump speaks exclusively to george stephanopoulos. >> from abc news, "this week," here is coanchor martha raddatz. >> good morning, many americans are waking up to higher prices and product shortages. shipping container soaring
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shipping containers soaring colliding with the labor shortage all likely to impact the holiday season. we travel to one of the nation's busiest ports where so many mssive cargo ships waiting to be unloaded. much more of our firsthand look comes up. some encouraging news with the battle of covid-19. >> nationwide the daily case average and hospitalizations have dropped after the lethal summer delta surge. nearly 70% of adults now fully vaccinated. a booster shot recommended for americans who received the moderna and johnson & johnson vaccine. shots for young children and upcoming holiday gatherings. dr. fauci is standing by. a breaking news this morning reports that at least 17
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american missionaries and their families and children have been abducted by a gang in haiti. our abc's correspondent victor oquendo is joining us. >> reporter: good morning, 17 missionaries from the united states including children kidnapped over night. the state department are aware but did not have much to add but besides the safety of u.s. abroad is the highest priorities. the kidnapping is reeling from an alarming serve in more than 600 this year. and that's just one crisis faces haitians. the country is still in turmoil after the president was assassinated in july and the
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devastating 7.2 magnitude earthquake in august that killed more than 2200 people and destroyed more than a thousand homes. martha. >> thanks victor. now for the latest o f the covid pandemic, let's bring in dr. anthony fauci. the advices for all people over 18 to get the shot even after two months, we know this vaccine was not as effective as others so should those 15 million people got the vaccine be concerned given these recommendations? >> not at all, martha. they should feel good about it. because what the adviser to the fda felt, given the data they saw very likely this should have been a two-dose vaccine to begin with. the idea of making a recommendation that people recently received j&j should receive a second dose 18 or
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older with none of the restrictions of whether or not you are at a high-risk is everyone who received that first dose of j&j for 18 and older should receive it. i think it's a good thing and favorable for those who have received the j&j vaccine. i don't see it as a problem at all. >> the panel is looking at a data that suggests j&j recipients may be better off getting a booster shot from pfizer or moderna vaccines, is that a better solution? >> that's true the data you referred to. if you boost people who originally received j&j with either moderna or pfizer, the level of antibodies that you will induce in them is much higher than if you boost them with the original j&j. however, you are talking about laboratory data, which reflective of what you see clinically.
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the data of boosting the j&j's first dose with the second dose is based on clinical data. so what's going to happen is the fda is going to look at all those data and look at the comparison and make a determination of what they'll authorize, once an authorization is made, then the acip or the advisory committee and immunization practices that advises the cdc will then make a recommendation of what people who have been receiving and have received the j&j should do. it's going to be a process of authorization first and then a recommendation after considering all the data. >> and what do you think dr. fauci, how would they be better off for all those people out there who took a j&j? >> you know martha, it's going to be variety depending on who you are. for example, a woman of childbearing age who would have no issues at all with a possible
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adverse event myocarditis, that person may want to opt for that approach. if you are a young man who does have that very rare risk of getting a myocarditis, you may want to take the j&j route. what will likely happen is both the fda and their authorization and the cdc will likely give a degree of flexibility based on the individual's situation. >> and the adviser committee recommended the third dose of the moderna shot for those over 65 just like the pfizer shot as well. what's the timeline for expanding those categories to different age groups? >> well, that's a great question, martha. that's going to depend on the data that comes in because what
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we are dealing with, we are dealing with data rolling in in realtime not only from the cohorts that the cdc is following but also in realtime we are getting important data from israel because as i have said so often, israel is about a month or a month half of us temporarily with the vaccination and with the data that they're seeing about it is waning of immunity as well as the advantage of boosting people at different age groups. the data we are starting to see from israel indicates that even in the some what younger group from 40 to 60, there is a real benefit in getting the booster shots. what we'll be doing here in the united states both through the fda and the cdc will be to follow these data as they accumulated in realtime and any modifications of the recommendations of the data as they come in. >> as for children, i know you believe that it will be early
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november before 5 to 11 years old to get vaccinated. >> the fda will be looking at data from pfizer, i believe october 26th, they'll make a determination and likely the next week will be the first couple of days in november then the cdc will do what they'll do. they'll have their advisory committee immunization practices and look at the data and make a recommendation. timeline we discussed previously is still on the timetable we spoke about. >> dr. fauci, we know the best way to keep safe is to be vaccinated. what are your guidelines for the upcoming holidays. will you be giving out halloween candy? what do we do with thanksgiving and christmas and other holidays? >> martha, i believe if you are
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vaccinated and you're vaccinated and young children that are not eligible, you can enjoy the holidays. you can enjoy trick or treating or thanksgiving and christmas with your families. that's one of the reasons we emphasize why it's so important to get vaccinated, not only for your own safety but for your family but also for the good of your community to keep the level of infection down. when you do that, there is no reason at all why you can't enjoy the holidays in a family way we traditionally done it all along. >> that's very good news. thank you so much for joining us dr. fauci. >> good to be with you. thank you for having me. >> and as we mention, the biden administration faces another crisis amid a growing backlog in the growing supply chain. the president announced new measures with ports and major shippers to ease the strain.
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>> this is across the board commitment to going into 24/7. this is a big first step speeding up the movement of materials and goods through our supply chain. with consumer demand growing factories and ports to truck drivers, there is little relief in sight. we travel to the ports of los angeles and long beach where 40% of all car go goods enter the u.s. to see for yourselves. >> reporter: here off the coast of southern california on the waters of the country's busiest ports, record numbers of container ships sitting idle.
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more than 60 containerships anchor ships waiting to unload. normally there would not be any of them waiting. those are just the ones you can see way out in the pacific. there are dozens more. >> reporter: on board these ships, that couch you ordered, computers, refrigerators, medical supplies and toys, hoping to reach santa in time for christmas. >> i have never seen anything like this. this is the smaller ships. the larger ships in service, they can carry up to 24,000 container units. >> reporter: what would it mean in terms of goods? >> that can fill three shopping malls. >> reporter: it all began with covid. was this something that was not planned for? >> well, the pandemic had the effective impacting every segment of the supply chain when manufacturing was shutdown in asia. we had little business here. starting in july, we noticed this surge of tsunami of cargo, we went from doom and gloom to fast and furious. that caught the supply chain off guards. when the economy began showing signs of improvements, consumer demand online shopping already thriving grew as well. the port of los angeles is
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averaging around 900,000 containers per month, projecting 10.8 million this year. a 17% increase from 2020. with no signs of in coming ships slowing down. but even if they are lucky enough to get into the port. they sit and wait in this cargo campground. you have been here for a month? >> yes. >> reporter: long time. >> it's taking three times longer to clear vessels at the port compares to before the pandemic. the long beach port is already working 24/7. >> start to order now. >> reporter: that trap, ceo harbor trucking association says working 24/7 won't solve everything. >> the challenges is space on the one hand and another vessels capacity that's available to move those containers back to their point of origins. >> reporter: backlog and empty containers contributing a shortage around the world
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dramatically increasing the cost of shipping. from china to the u.s., roughly $1,300 to more than 16,000, what took an average of 41 days now takes 75. adding to strain operations at the ports, there is labor shortages at every step in the supply chain from the long shore to warehouse workers to what could be the most dire, a need for tens of thousands of truck drivers nationwide. >> we had a worker shortage longer before we had truck cargoes. >> reporter: mayor garcia hoping the backlog will ease in the next few weeks but others predict it could take months or longer. >> this will be well into next christmas. >> reporter: they are hitting retailers and consumers
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directly. inflation for the month of september hit 5.4% over the past year matching a 13-year high. prices have increased for items like new cars, tvs, gas, food and furniture. wendy ortiz, owner of caravan furniture in long beach told me manufactures are continuing to increase crisis and delivery times are unprecedented. >> now sometimes it takes a month. i had a client waiting for a year to get her furniture. >> reporter: sparking fears for holiday shopping. owner of pixie toys feels prepared for the season but she said she already had parents
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shopped for christmas. >> make sure you are prepared for everything you need. >> let's take a closer look with our expert, diane swonk and our deidra bolton. diane, i want to start with you. is this something we should have seen it coming? >> there was no road map for opening up a global economy all at once, it was easier to turn the lights out on the global economy than ramp up factories and turn things back on. we had a demand surge. we had all these glitches that got exacerbated by the pandemic itself. people forgetting that we are still in a global pandemic. delta was a game changer and adding to all these problems we are seeing in terms of delaying and shipments and in plants of places that had an escape of earlier waves. >> i know a lot of the blame is
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haveglut of ships, youen y said it's a lot like what happened with the autoindustry. >> it certainly is. it speaks to this fact that it was a perfect storm. even the autoindustry business leaders thought we are going into recession, no one is going to want to buy a car. everyone wanted a car. people living in cities became nervous of public transportations, the demand for cars went through the roof. i went to car dealerships where three cars per line, there were one car and really almost a third of the inventory, it shows you once the business leaders decided okay, we are going to tell these chip makers don't need it and those chips went off into other products and it kicks off this domino effect that we see. >> the white house, one of the things they want to do is 24/7 and some of those ports are
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working 24/7, what can the federal government really do now? >> there is a great op-ed from enayoutersonnstitute a al- if you want to ensure it, we really need to think wholistically and coordinate, that's not something we have been good about in recent years. >> for sure. >> the toy owner says don't panic buy. is this going to start panic buying? >> as we are nearing the holiday season, i think most experts say if you see what you want, just buy it now because there are no guarantees it will be there
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three or four weeks from now or it will be available three or four weeks at the same price. >> holiday shopping could be in trouble? >> certainly could be. what's clear is for most goods we can all assume that we'll pay at least 10% more from most items. >> diane, we saw the problems at the ports with truckers and there really is a lack of workers. >> how does this happen? >> it's like we went through labor shortages with millions of workers still not back with their jobs. there are many reasons from child care and schools go back in quarantine. many people delayed in -- and many people dropped out of school and retirement surge. there is this huge reset of half workers are saying i am not sure i want to work the way i did and in the same place i did which
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soared. we are in this alternative universe that's not going to dissipate any time soon. >> and we have got these labor disputes with places like kellogg and john deere, workers sense to be they're in a strong position. >> organized labors are at the lowest they have ever been. public sentiment is very much with these workers. you alluded with some of these companies. it's across numerous industry. it's this idea of interesting stats, there are more than 700 billionaire in the u.s. with $4.7 trillion, that's more than double with the lower 50% of net worth of americans is. this idea of income inequality, public opinion is shifting towards the workers. economists and the government
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were amazing at counting the number of jobs. we are at times less amazing accounting quality of jobs and that's what these workers are talking about and a lot of people are feeling in professional and business services. hey, my life change a lot over the past two years. i don't know if i want to keep working like i was. >> diana, i want to end with inflation and what we are looking at here. the shortage of good seems to be the shortage of goods seem to be driving up prices, will it hang around for a long time? >> as it resolves with some of these supply chain problems, it's not enough to be insignificant. that's going to happen right into 2022, it's going to put federal reserve and policymakers in different positions where inflation remains elevated and noticeable enough and a problem for many workers at the same time you don't know if it's going to resolve itself in 2023. you don't want to snuff out demand and making things worse
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for these workers but it's going to be a tough call. >> thank you both of you. the roundtable weighs in next. the first look at george stephanopoulos' interview with christopher steel. author of that infamous dossier on trump and russia. we'll be right back. author of that infamous dossier on trump and russia. we'll be right back.
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i hope that the committee goes after them and holds them accountable. >> president biden suggesting the justice department should prosecute trump allies who refused subpoenas from the house's january 6th committee. let's talk more about that and more with john carl and coanchor of this week, mary ellis parks and rick klein and stephanie ramos. welcome to all of you, john, i want to talk to you first. we have this massive supply chain we have been talking about it this morning going through the holidays and inflation up is 5.4%. how much of a political problem is this for president biden? empty store shelves and people unable to buy christmas presents is not the good thing for the president to say the least. does this lead to more inflation. one of the numbers i saw this
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week that really hit home on this is the cost of shipping a container from china. if you go back to 2019 prepandemic was about $1,300, now $16,000 to bring a container from china. that ripples the supply chain that makes things for expensive and high inflation. the biggest factor here is people are buying more stuff so there is an underlying bit of good news here. people have the means and desire to buy more things. the problem is, the supply chain is not caught up. >> and the white house did announce this 24/7, some of them were already doing that. saw that there in the ports. you can't really do that if you don't have enough workers. did the white house move quickly enough on this, mary ellis? >> they want to show that they're on it.
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unless they take extreme measures and we are talking about national guard loading container ships, we are talking about the white house putting pressure on private companies. they have to do it early and show they're paying attention. at some point now they own this because he's been involved and that's risky because like i said there is not that much the white house can do day-to-day except continue to put pressure on these private companies. >> and keep going out and talking about it and saying it's out of control. the treasury secretary thinks the prices will go down soon and there is no need to panic. that's not what i heard out there and hearing across the country. we are talking about medical supplies. we are talking about beyond the economy, we are talking about military families who can't get their furniture and household goods back from deployment in asia. this is hitting the american public. >> it really is. an american family, they're the ones feeling this.
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it's hard when you are in it to be in the mind frame of the next six months. they are in it right now and o . when the grocery stores and seeing increase prices, where is the comfort and where are the tools to help them? the treasury secretary is saying this is transitory, this is not going to away in the next month or so. i spoke with the deputy secretary a few days ago, is there anything the biden administration could have done to prevent this and prepare this. he did not answer that but did say that this was expected that the economy just has not transition with us out of this pandemic. and says it's going to take time. he says the president is focused on these issues and he tauted the american rescue plan and child tax credit and says it's going to take a while for the supply chain to catch up with demand. >> and meanwhile there is going to be panic button. >> absolutely.
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>> when you say don't panic, people will panic. >> make sure your shelves are stocked. >> and order now. >> when you talk about christmas and your children, you definitely want to do that. we are more than a year out from the midterms but the economy is clearly becoming a huge issue and the republicans are taking advantage of that and doubling down on that. >> think about that, if your pocketbooks feel that much lighter because you can't afford things. republicans see like inflation and rising gas prices and rising crime rates and the pandemic is still going. this is an issue they can make something in with the democrats. there has not been that kind of stability in your life across these range of issues. this inflation is problematic on another level, guess who keeps on talking about inflation as a concern?
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senator joe manchin, one of the big hold-outs on this. >> and he's worried about a lot of things. and john, of course on capitol hill we have the infrastructure and the spending bill, what's the progress on that? we know nancy pelosi sets a deadline. >> halloween. i don't think that deadline is going to be met. >> hoyer who runs the schedule says there will be votes coming up on the larger infrastructure bill. it's not looking good. you saw bernie sanders who's been leading the charge for a big social infrastructure bill. the budget chairman, he wrote an op-ed going right at manchin, and manchin responded with a blistering remark. >> i will not vote, no op-ed or independent socialist is going to change that.
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it does not look like bernie sanders pressure is not going to get them voting for this. >> they cannot do it without them. >> no, they can't. we saw the president trying to sell his agenda, he says they may have to cut out community college for all and joe manchin is against a lot of these climate controls. >> yes, he absolutely is. we heard president biden and we heard a lot of this from him on the campaign trail and an office he proposed the two years of free tuition of community college. it was stunning to hear him doubt that could make it into the final version of this package. at this point it's on the chopping block and when you hear joe manchin coming out of some of these programs is troubling
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because the administration and democrats need all the democratic support that they can get, manchin of course against being the clean electricity and program. >> he's in west virginia. >> the white house says they have sticking with their plans. this is part of the president's big plan to battle climate change. we'll have to see in the next few days if that happens, if they stick with their plan. they're trying to get this package over the line. >> mary alice, we have seen a lot of those workers on strike and suggestions of strikes pushing for benefits that democrats want in the spending bill. are they capitalizing on this? >> senator sanders is trying to. his team told me he sent pizzas to those at the picket line with john deer. to your point, they know those on the picket line are making arguments for that, they're asking for more pay and benefits, things like paid
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medical leave. they're asking for pension and help with child care and some of those issues that's keeping people out of the labor force right now. democrats are saying we are trying to address that of the bill. the deadline, the sanders folks meeting the october 31st deadline. i talked to a staffer who says that deadline was laughable. they know that's the crux of what had the two sides colliding. they have to come around and pass this out. it seems they are too far apart to do that. >> how long does this go and what happens? i know you don't like predictions. >> i don't like predictions especially about the future. i think that there is -- failure on both of these is not an option. there is more at stake than the fundamentals of what are in
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these bills, the success of failures of the biden presidency. with that said, how you cobble this together is unclear. you know with house democrats signaling there will be votes on both of these bills, unless the senate done everything on social infrastructure bill. there will be votes on these bills, they'll get one of these across the line, not necessarily by halloween but they'll get at >> so much attention on this in washington. i was stunned by the cnn poll. let me read it. only quarter of americans think their lives will be better off if the infrastructure and social spending bill is passed. more than 4 and 10 says they would not make a difference and a third says they would be worse off. democrats are not selling it to americans. >> they don't know what's in the bill so how can you sell it? they're talking about the
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largest expansion in social service spending in american history. only one-fourth of the people think it's better than them. this has real shades of the healthcare debate from more than a decade ago. they got bogged down of the process. it was defined politically. the idea that even if you pass it now, you can go out and make the case that this works for people. this is a big problem that democrats are worried about that even if they get it done, they're not going to make much of it. >> john, i want to move to january 6th, we saw at the top of the show there. the select committee moved to hold former trump's adviser, steve bannon in contempt. you wrote about this that we are looking forward to. what happens now with these
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subpoenas? >> the bannon subpoena and fight is much more than steve bannon. the committee wants to talk to everybody that was around donald trump on january 6th. this is the test case, can they compel steve bannon to testify. congress does not have its own prosecutors. congress does not have its own jail cells. congress has no ability to enforce these subpoenas. that's why what you heard from biden was so significant. he's saying he wants to see justice department which does have the power to enforce this but has not in the past come in and prosecute steve bannon. the justice department puts out a statement this is not the president's call. it's an independent justice department and make the decision on prosecuting. it sure looks like they'll prosecute bannon. it's a lengthy process. it will be a big court fight, the big question is can they get it done in time matter for the
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investigation. >> and former president trump's executive privilege to comply with the committee's documents but trump is certainly going to fight this. >> right, that's the expectation that the trump's team does in fact sue. they have not yet. we are all kind of bracing for this legal show down but we'll see what that lawsuit actually looks like. there is a lot of legal scholar saying the former president does not have a great case. this has not been tested in the courts yet. bannon has a weaker case how do you have privilege claim when you have not worked at the white house for several years before. they want everyone to cooperate. the white house council says they want the national archives to give over those documents within 30 days as in any court orders. >> there is also a new charge of the january 6th insurrection.
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tell us about that. we don't know all that's happening out there. we are still learning these things and making arrests. >> it shows you authorities have not stopped trying to track it down, the individuals that took part in the january 6th riot ten months or so later. now you have this capitol police officer have a lot of questions to answer as he faces obstruction charges. he was there that day responding to the scene but the very next day was trying to help one of the insurrectionists by telling him to take down facebook messages and take down some post showing that person was there, trying to protect them and saying hey, i am looking out for you. this is one of about 600 or sot capitol riot cases. this is an unusual one because it involves a capitol police officer. he's on leave and he has not
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entered a plea. authorities are trying to figure out who's these individuals are trying to get into the capitol and who was inside trying to help them. >> we have about 30 seconds left. there was a rally in virginia, the gubernatorial race there and they were actually taking a pledge of allegiance to one of the flags carried right before the insurrection. >> it's stunning and it plays into democrats' hands frankly. their arguments for the midterms and the gubernatorial race in a few weeks, remember january 6th, what president trump did, remember the messy end and as much as republicans trying to distance themselves, this is going into their base. >> they'll have to continue. thanks very much to all of you this morning. always great to have you. nate is next with his shipping abortion politics and george stephanopoulos' interview with
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buster court term that could determine the future of a constitutional right of abortion and the outcome of the 2022 midterms so which voters can be more energy? nate silver analyzes. >> back in february around 47% of trump voters said abortion is an important issue for them. we have seen a big change september 1st, the supreme court allowed an abortion law to remain in effect. about 51% of biden voters described abortion as important as compare to 36% as trump voters. voters get motivated when you take away something they thought they already had. the texas law interpreted by experts as a signal that the roe
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v. wade decision could be overturned. a recent poll found that 67% of voters generally agree with roe v. wade. 27% oppose. by the 2018 midterm, obamacare was the law of the land, it had become fairly popular. republican members of congress punished by voters for their efforts to take it away. i want to be careful because of the sensitivity of the topic. but i surely see democrats being motivated that they see roe v. wade is being under threat. >> our thanks to nate. coming up, christopher steel's interview, what he told george stephanopoulos about trump and russia. next. about trump and russia. next. e 2 diabetes people everywhere living with type 2 diabetes
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or whatever comes down the road. this is the planning effect from fidelity. did the head of the intelligence agency provide you a two page summary? >> did the head of the intelligence agency provide you a two page summary? >> i saw the information and i read the information outside of that meeting, it's fake news and phony stuff, it didn't happen. did anyone really believe that story? i am also very much of a germapho by the way, believe me. >> he's the world's most famous and infamous spy. the man containing explosive allegations of collusion between russia and donald trump's 2016 presidential campaign. the so-called steele dossier. former christopher steele is speaking out for the first time with our george stephanopoulos answering tough questions about
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his credibility, the dossier's accuracy and the notorious claim that russian held a tape of trump. here is a preview. >> why speak out now? >> i think there were several reasons, the problems we are identifying back in 2016 have not gone away, it's gotten worse. i feel to set the record straight. >> one big claim in the dossier and the fbi is not true is the claim that michael cohen at a meeting in prague. do you accept that finding? >> no, i don't. >> michael cohen was trump's personal lawyer and self-described fixer.
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>> cohen met with officials in prague. those were the allegations the fbi later said were not true according to the inspector general report. >> i have never been to prague or czech republic. cohen completely turned on donald trump. it defies logic, if he did this, he would not say so. >> i don't agree with that. it's a self-in criminating to a great degree. >> he told every single story, why won't we admit to this? >> i think it's so in criminating and demeaning and the other reason is he may be scared of the consequences. >> michael cohen said to abc news i eagerly await steele's next dossier which proves the existence of bigfoot and the lochness monster and that elvis is still alive. >> i am preparing to accept
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everything on the dossier is 100% accurate. i have yet to be convinced that's one of them. >> christopher steele is free to believe whatever he wants. if christopher steele wants her people to believe that he's believable, he needs to show us what evidence he has to support his belief. >> the inspector general pulls back on the curtain on how steele gather the information. it does not name steele's collector but the report describes some of his methods. we later learned he was not someone well placed in the kremlin but an analyst in washington. >> when the fbi interviewed him, he says yeah, he gather this information but it was almost
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ambivalent of how accurate it was. some of the information had been gathered with people who just heard about it or talked about it. >> one of your main collectors said that especially the comprise was word of mouth and hearsay conversations with friends and over beers it was just talks. >> if you have a confidential source and that source was blown and uncovered, that source will try to down play. i think that's probably what happened here. >> he's afraid? >> i think anybody that's named in this context particularly if they are russian has every reason to be afraid. >> you standby the dossier? i standby the work we did and
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the sources we had and the professionalism that we applied to it. >> this is raw intelligence in the sense that we we sent over was the initial findings. raw intelligence is just fact. it's like throwing a lot of stuff against the wall. all the talk about this alleged tape, i bet you heard about it virtually no evidence came forward of public corroborated. >> it will be quite the tape if it became public. it's now five years later and we have not seen a trace of it. >> today do you still believe that this tape exists? i think it does. i would not put 100% on it. >> how do you explain if that tape does exist but has not been released? >> it does not need to be released? >> why not? >> our thanks to george out of the shadow. it streams tomorrow only in hulu, we are back in 60 seconds.
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>> up next, former president bill clinton is on his way home after being released from the hospital. what doctors say is next in his recovery from an infection. >> good morning. partly cloudy skies here. increasing wind, clouds, and eventually rain today for a notable pattern change. we will talk about several wet weather systems headed our way this week next on the abc 7
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