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captioning sponsored by cbs >> brennan: i am margaret brennan in washington and the week on "face the nation", there are alarming new i increases in the number of covid cases around the world as president trump struggles to get the country and his campaign back on track. >> it is a scene we haven't witnessed in months, a large diner gathering with thousands of supporters cheering president trump, a campaign relaunch one republican strategist said was much needed after a brutal few months. for the president, it was a way to get out of washington and leave his troubles behind if only for a few hours. it has been a difficult week for mr. trump. the supreme court ruled against his administration for attempting to stop the program protecting the children of undocumented immigrants from
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being deported. his former national security advisor john bolton, won a court case to allow a bomb shell book to become public, it is a devastating look at a president trying to do just about anything to win reelection. then controversial firing of the federal prosecutor investigating trump allies rudy giuliani and michael cohen, most troubling that the new number of coronavirus cases in some cases has spiked dramatically, but president trump continues to down flay virus. >> the we stopped testing right now we would have very few cases if any. >> it is fading away. it is going to fade away. >> i said to my people, slow the testing down, please. >> they test and they test. >> brennan: is politics getting in the way of common sense? restrictions in blue western states like california and oregon have tight end in light of the increases, but many of the southern states that are republican leaning have been slower to respond. we will talk with the top democrat on the senate intelligence committee, mark
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warner plus acting homeland security secretary chad wolf and get an update on coronavirus dr. scott gottlieb and talk with the ceo of tapestry, a fortune 500 country. finally, we will reflect on the juneteenth anniversary, with new york times opinion writer and cbs political analyst, janelle bouie, it is all just ahead on "face the nation". >> good morning and welcome to "face the nation". we have got a lot of news to get to today. we begin with cbs news national correspondent mark strassmann in atlanta. >> in trump friendly oklahoma, the president reporte reelection rally in months and yet this tulsa arena was perhaps one-third empty. >> he crowed a million people
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wanted tickets, trump talked about america's continuing coronavirus crisis. >> test sag double edged sword. when you do testing to that extent, you are going to find more people, you are going to find more cases. so i said to my people, slow the testing down, please. >> he also characterized the pandemic with racist wordplay. >> i can name kung flu, i can name 19 different versions of names. >> local health officials had worried the rally could become p loyalists were willing to take the chance. >> i am concerned about it especially with all of the spit maybe going up in the air as we cheer and stuff like that. >> before the event began, sticks members of the trump campaign staff tested positive. all rally goers had their temperatures checked, everyone received a face mask, but wearing it was option natural. >> i am not interested in wearing a mask. we are healthy individuals.
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>> inside, social distancing was ignored and as the president spoke, it appeared most of his audience was not wearing masks. that attitude alarms u.s. health officials. as america reopens covid-19 is resurgent, roughly 30,000 more americans tested positive the last few days, close to the april peak. in 21 states, new covid cases trend in a worrisome direction, up. >> ten states this week broke seven-day averages for new cases. on saturday, florida broke its daily record again. more than 4,000 new cases. >> in and about-face, state health officials now urge floridians to wear masks and avoid groups of more than 50 people. when new york governor andrew cuomo said he might start quarantining arriving floridians, florida's governor fired right back at cuomo. >> just please do not quarantine any floridians in the nursing homes in new york. >> in both arizona and florida,
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major league ba spring training facilities. at least a dozen players have tested positive. the mets and the yankees are heading home to train where it is safer in new york. pro football took another hit. the nfl player's association advised its members to stop practicing together. america is covid wary. we are eager to get back to work, we want life to feel normal again. and it is making us sick. >> here in georgia, covid setting the kind of records no state wants, in per capita covid deaths america's top four counties are all here. like much of america, in this phase of the virus, cities seem healthier, all four of those counties are rural. margaret. >> brennan: mark stras atlanta, tks. we want to go now to the acting homeland security secretary chad wolfe he joins us from department headquarters here in
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washington. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> brennan: a lot to get to with you but i want to ask you about something the president said twice. he said that national security advisor john bolton likes dropping bombs on people and killing them, now he will have bombs dropped on him. if a private citizen said something like that, i feel like there would be some security concerns. what was the president trying to say? is this a threat? >> well, margaret, i will let the president speak for himself. did not have the chance to work closely with ambassador bolton before i came into this position, so i am going let the white house speak for themselves, but i think what the president, the frustration that he has with ambassador bolton, we serve at the pleasure of theu with the president and happe in this case. ambassador bolton was fired and what you see here is frustration
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on an individual writing a book for profit and so i think that is what i take from those comments but again i would refer you back to the white house. >> brennan: bombs dropped on him, you don't take that as concerning? >> no. i think, again, i think if you listen to the president in a variety of different remarks a lot of some of his comments are taking from a humor standpoint, joking standpoint. >> brennan: i also want to ask about something tells president said last night. are you aware of the president telling officials to slow dunn testing as it relates to coronavirus? >> no. again, i heard those comments as well. i think that what you heard from the president was frustration, frustration in the sense of -- that we are testing i believe we tested over 25 million americans, we have tested more than any other country in this world, instead the press and others all they want to focus on is an increasing case count and we know that's going to occur when you test individuals more and more and more.
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>> brennan: i want to ask you about something that falls directly under your portfolio and that is the tsa. homeland security has been ordered to open an investigation in regard to whistle blowers accusations that there wasn't uniform guidance given to those individuals who very conducting searches as airports and there wasn't training or procedures on protective equipment to deal with covid. that poses a risk not just to those officers but of obviouslyo the public that interacts with them, no mandates for gloves to be changed, no they werers for passenger temperature checks, what is the status of the investigation? >> as you indicated it is an open investigation so i am not going to comment specifically but what i can tell you is that from day one we have provided transportation security officers, those tsa officers at checkpoints screening individuals all of the guidance, all of the standards and all of the ppe they need to do their job so we will continue to wor with these investigations but i feel very confident in what we have provided the tsa, but i
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will tell you -- >> brennan: does that concern you, though? is it safe to fly at current levels? >> absolutely, absolutely, it is safe to fly. i will tell you, though, over the course of three or four months as this virus has continued to evolve and as the cdc health strategy continues to evolve so has dhs operations, we have front officers at borders making sure we are screening individuals as they come into this country. they can't social distance as you indicated, and so they have to touch individuals, they have to make sure that individuals are resolved but we will continue to provide all of the ppe, all of the resources as wee have since day one to all of our frontline officers. >> brennan: this week as you well know the supreme court issued its ruling and rejected the administration's attempt to cancel the daca program. you said that decision doesn't provide a lot of clarity for that seven in understood thousand or so recipients on the
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program. can you assure them that they will still get their work visas renewed, that they won't be forcibly deported from this country? >> well, what i would tell you is that we know that the daca program is unlawful, the supreme court even this week did not say that the program was lawful and in fact they said that the department has the ability to rescind the program. what they didn't like is the rationale and the way in which we proposed to do that. i find that a little concerning because what we know is the barack obama administration created in program out of thin air and didn't provide notice and comment for the american public to comment on such a monumental decision. instead the pident and this administration has laid out a six-month phaseout program, being very up front with the american people about how to do that so we will continue to take a look at that and see how -- >> brennan: -- will continue to be renewed and and there wone forcible deportations? >> absolutely, we will continue the program as we have over the past two years, continuing to renew those but the president has been very clear about wanting to find a lasting
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solution for these individuals. he also directed the department to take a look at the cou ta lor rationaland we are doing town this program. i think it is important to remind your viewers this is an unlawful program and as the acting secretary -- >> brennan: it is an incredibly popular program, including with republicans. >> i don't disagree it is popular but i think you have to separate those two. is it popular and is it lawful? and as acting secretary i don't have the luxury of ignoring the law and running a program that is unlawful, so what the president has been very clear about is asking congress to find a solution for these individuals. >> brennan: that means a path to citizenship, i would assume, to be button up on what you talked about ear, increase in testing that is available to those who may have covid-19 i am sure you know there are spikes in actual
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hospitals hospitalizations people actually getting sick, particularly in arizona and in texas. it is not just increased testing. >> absolutely. and again the white house coronavirus task force is on top of all of these outbreaks looking state by state, county by county, whether it is arizona, texas, florida, a number of these states that are having hotspots, tha are having the up ticks and we are surging resources, medical individuals and the like, even individuals from the department of homeland security, we are surging into those areas to understand what is the cause of that outbreak and address that proactively. >> brennan: and you don't know yet what the cause of the outbreaks in all of those sunbelt states is? >> they are all different. they are all for various different reasons. what we see is some of the outbreaks st border in arizona, particular erfor of texas, we have about l treatment so there are a variety of dhaferent outbreaks in different states,
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and again, we have medical professionals, cdc has sent teams into these individual areas, department has as well, and we are continuing to address that. >> brennan: all right. mr. secretary, thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you. >> brennan: we will be right back with a lot more of "face the nation".♪ stay with us. >> eping us safe. we've given masks to all our people cial dtaing in stores. we've implemented shorter hours, so we can sanitize our stores from top to bottom while also restocking our products. but if anything, these days have reminded us why we do what we do. because despite everything that's changed, one thing hasn't, and that's our devotion to you and our communities. we're working together, in-store and online, tosure youan still t the sentials you need.
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and as we move forward, know that our first priority will always be to keep you and our associates safe. ♪ in washington report versus learned that a lot can happen on a friday night when it comes to the trump administration. attorney william barr announced the resignation of jeffrey burr plan the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, that office is investigating some of mr. trump's allies, including rudy giuliani. burman's response? he had no intention of resigning. saturday the attorney general went a step further, sending a letter to burman saying i have asked the president to remove you as of today and he has done so. burman then announced his departure effective immediately. president trump had a different
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version of the firing. >> we have a very capable attoney general, so that's really up to him, i am not involved. >> we want tonoto white house correspondent paula reid. paulpaula, why was there this confusion and why hasn't the attorney general explained why he did this? >> well, as you heard there the president is saying he does not get involved in matters related to the justice department but hisown attorney general said his prolific tweets related to the justice department make it nearly impossible for him to do his job, the special counsel laid out 11 poss instas where the president has tried to obstruct justice by interfering at the justice department, which is why many people are seeing what happened friday through a lens of skepticism and raising questions about whether the president is trying to protect himself or his allies like rudy giuliani, but justice department official said there was no conntion between this fiinstn explinetgaret, statent friday saying burman was stepping down when burman
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said, wait not so fast. >> and it is also unusual because the southern district handles so many sensitive cases, including the one you just mentioned with the president's personal attorney rudy giuliani. last night, the president himself said he didn't know that. >> that was very -- >> i mean, not investigating me, and i don't even know about giuliani being investigated, you are telling me that. i read that over the last day, but i don't know about rudy giuliani being investigated, investigated for what? he was the greatest crime fighter of our generation, of our time. >> but speaker pelosi released a statement saying the investigation into rudy giuliani what do we know?re. >> well, cbs news has learned that giuliani has been under investigation by that office, for possible foreign lobbying violations related to his work in ukraine, and last night, margaret, giulol hiare no helping the optics her.
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and one thing that is really significant is the southern district of new york has always prided it specifically being independent from washington, and in his letter to burman the attorney general said now the internal watchdog the watching g at the justice department, they are clearly no longer independent. >> brennan: there was another key ruling have a court that said former national security advisor john bolton can actually go ahead with the publication and sale of his book about his time at the trump white house. but the judge didn't actually make it a clear win. the president is saying, it is actually in his favor. >> well, as you noted the judge said bolton's book can be released but he also accused bolton of possibly damaging national security and exposing himself to civil and potentially criminal liability. now, in this decision, the judge noted one of the reasons that he published is that many reporters
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including cbs news had the book here at the white house while they were arguing about this. but the judge signaled it is possible that bolton may need to forfeit any profits and historically judges have been pretty simple they going the government if they can establish someone did not complete a review process, they may say, hey, you release your book but you have to hand over the cash. >> brennan: paula reid at the white house, thank you. >> we return now to the vice chairman of the intelligence committee, mark warner, good morning to you. >> good morning, margaret. s. attney ven wasdeknow wh whdministration uses friday night to announce bad news, but this is one more example of why i think bill barr has repeatedly demonstrated she more interesting in being donald trump's personal lawyer than he is in being the attorney for the
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united states of america. >> brennan: well, there are a number of investigations that the southern district was and i suppose are still pursuing and in his statements burman referred to the importance of continuing some of those investigations. do you have any sense what he was referring to? >> no. it has been splated that the u.s. attorney, mr. burman was investigating donald trump's personal lawyer, mr. giuliani, i think a number of us have been worried that mr. giuliani may have been knowingly or unknowingly manipulated by individuals coming out of ukraine that may be manipulated by russia, so there seems to be a pattern froms administration that the president and his henchmen, mr. bar are willing to get rid of anyone who is investigating people who get close to donald
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trump .. >> brennan: well, cbs has reported that rudy giuliani is under investigation. but do you have any reason to believe that deputy in the southern district office, her name is audrey strauss, is not capable or wouldn't pursue those investigations? >> no. it appears he is a career professional and i think it was appropriate for mr. verman to push back against what was totally inappropriate firing by first barr and then itred donald trump himself. but we have seen this pattern. i have seen it in the intelligence community, where literally six trump appointed intelligence officials had either been pushed out or fired because they tried to do their job of speaking truth to power. it appears a mr. o waa trump appointee was trying to do his job, follow the law and that cost him his job. i do believe his -- his depp de, mrs. strauss, though, should be
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able to do the job professionally and appropriately. >> brennan: yet you have been raising concerns about politicized intelligence and i want to ask you what justification that the department of justice has given you as to why the investigation your committee conducted into russian election meddling in 2016 has not been released publicly given that we are five months out from the election and this is one of the most key portions of your investigation. >> well, our last volume, volume 5, close to 1,000 pages and i would point out again, we are the only bipartisan investigation that has been looking into this subject, we have been virtually unanimous in all rortsvolume 5, 1,000 pages has been submitted to the director of national intelligence for final clearance, review. >> brennan: so the director of national intelligence publicly said he would look into having this released. but you believe john ratcliffe, the director is the one holding
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it up now? >> listen, i think it is an appropriate review process. we simply submitted it literally within the last 30 days so i will give the odi a little more time but my hope and expectation is that this volume will be released so that americans can make their judgment and i want it released before the august recess. >> brennan: i want to ask you about john bolton, the former national security advisor to president trump. we did see a federal judge rule that his book can be sold but the judge also said he gambled with the national security of the united states by publishing information before the classification review had been completed. so that is going to potentially give him some legal challenges. but from what you hear from the intel community, from the cia director, is there a lot of concert disclosed? >> listen, i think john bolton, if he wanted to tell his story, who has such damning accusations
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against donald trump, not only vase advice ukraine, but in terms of the president's activities, with erdogan, the turkish leader and the president's activities and allegations about his hina, if 0 john boltonsident really wanted to get this information out for reasons other than his own personal profit, he should have come and testified before the house or the senate. >> brennan: are you going to ask him to testify now with your republican colleagues? >> listen, i am not sure that his credibility at this moment is all that high, but i think bigger argument here, if these allegations and accusations which are extraordinarily damning are true, i would think my republican colleagues would want to have that -- get him under oath as well. >> brennan: so that is a maybe, it sounds like. on the -- >> that's a maybe at this point but again, i don't think -- i think john bolton managed to not only -- he managed to unite all of washington, the democrats are
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frustrated he was not willing to testify and the republicans are obviously concerned about the book. >> brennan: well, you didn't answer trsquestion, gh. he ntgu out whether these al allegations are true or not. >> brennan: you didn't answer the question of how concerned the intelligence community truly is about what was revealed. >> again, i am not going to speak to what -- i think intelligence community is always concerned about leaking of classified information. i think there was a legitimate question here whether what bolton is laying out, though, is this classified because of donald trump is afraid of the substance or becsef legitimate intelligence reasons. >> brennan: understood. senator, thank you for your time. >> thank you, marg red. >> brennan: we will be right back. >> (music)
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.. >> brennan: in two weeks we will talk to former national security advisor john bolton about his bomb shell book, the room where it happened. room where it happened. that's sunday, july the fith.
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>> brennan: welcome back to "face the nation". the total number of covid-19 cases worldwide now stands at 8.8 million, and the world health organization warns that pandemic is accelerating, particularly in the americas. cbs news senior foreign correspondent liz beth, elizabeth palmer reports. >> here things have really turned around, coronavirus in r. borders are even reopening so people can travel to vacation spots. but in the developing world, the pandemic is raging. brazil is in full-blown crisis. as in the u.s., covid-19 here
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has become political. on copacabana beach a pandemic denier knocked down crosses at a symbolic memorial. but arguing can't tied facts. 50,000 new cases a day here, and the coronavirus peak is still weeks away. nearby, in peru, they are selling oxygen in the streets. the infection rate has come down a little but left many families treating covid victims at home because hospitals are too full or too expensive. >> this is still a dangerous time warned who director. >> many people are understandably fed up with being at home. countries are understandably eager to open up their societies and economies, but the virus is still spreading fast. >> in india's capital, delhi,
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they learned that the hard way. shops, offices and markets reopened two weeks ago and the virus took off. now with hospitals overwhelmed the city is converting train carriages into make shift covid wards and offer a bed of sorts and oxygen, but not a chance of social distancing. russia too lifted its strict lockdown and even staged rehearsals for the traditional victory day parade. lots of hardware, very few masks. the kremlin insists in spite of widespread skepticism that virus is under control. but then announced that anyone meeting president putin will first have to go through one of these disinfection machines. and in st. petersburg, a makeshift memorial put faces to the names of the almost 500 doctors and nurses who have died fighting coronavirus.
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here in the uk the government is hinting that it is about to relax the social distancing rule from six feet to three. the hope is it will help hotels and restaurants, if not thrive at least survive. margaret. >> brennan: liz palmer, thank you. >> we turn now to former fd commissioner scott gottlieb who is in westport, connecticut this morning. good morning to you, dr. gottlieb. >> good morning. >> brennan: we heard that the number of covid-19 cases exceeded 30,000 a day for the first time in about seven weeks. what is happening? >> well, we are seeing resurgence in the south and southeast, they really not got rid of their epidemics and we are seeing spread that is quite high as theyreopeat s continued toncreasso, ychallee at was fiontry iowcingyon in thh worris that a
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int exonential growth coming this week. because the cases are building quite quickly in texas, florida, alabama, south carolina, north carolina, the arizona, and the challenge with exponential growth everything looks okay until suddenly it doesn't so this is something that has to be a concern of everyone that has been watching this. >> brennan: when you say exponential growth, are you saying that hospitals are about to get overwhelmed in places like arizona and texas? >> that's the concern. so if you look at places like arizona the hospitals now are getting pressed. midweek there was a report out of arizona about 40 percent of the hospital beds were filled with covid patients texas and florida are still reporting a lot of capacity even though florida doesn't report the total hospitalizations for covid patients but these things come out very quickly as we saw in new york. you always -- when the epidemic is expanding it is always worsen these states that are going to get turned over this coming week given the rate of growth we have seen, we know there there is coy
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spread underway in florida, texas, california for that matter too, and arizona. those are big states that have a lot of cases that have been building. and so this is going to be hard to get under control. we are not going to want to shut down businesses again and want to shut down the economy. so there are not many tools we can reach for, we can do case based intervention, the tracking and tracing of sick people to get people isolated, we can two towards universal masking something that has been controversial in some of these states but there is not much else you can do. so there is no quick intervention that is going to bring this to an end. >> brennan: in arizona it was just this week that the governor gave mayor it is power to make masks mandatory they are not doing that in florida, they are not doing that in texas, is that a mistake? >> well, i think they are going to have to. i think it is a mistake they are wot doing now andsi tomaing is becoming controversial, it shouldn't be, it is a simple action we can all take to protect our fellow citizens and also protect ourselves and try to reopen the economy safely. i think some people see it
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assort of a infringement on their liberty or a way to cast some scorn on a public health establishment that has come in for some questions because people blame the public health establishment for shutdown and the public health establishment for conflicting guidance. i think in other quarters it has been portrayed as something that, you know, trump supporters don't want to wear masks, it is neither of those things, it is something we can do collectively to try to reduce the spread and really all we have and it is not a very robust tool at that. but it is a tool we have and it is a tool that has been demonstrated to have an impact, everyone does it or most people do it. >> brennan: well, health officials did give conflicting messages on wearing masks in the dr. fai it is because theyw from were afraid ofages. and also worried that by telling people they could wear masks you are telling them they can go out and the at a time when they were telling people to stay home, if they told them they wear masks and more safe would encourage people to go out. >> brennan: yes. >> i think that could have been messaged appropriately, they didn't need to be concerned about that, we should have been
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recommending masks from the out set. >> brennan: we heard from the secretary of the homeland security earlier in the program and he said the press and others only want to talk and focus on the increased case count. and that testing is a good message. the president says testing is overrated. what is the bottom line, the science and the facts about where we are with this virus in america right now? >> well, testing, there is a high correlation between places doing more testing, more contact tracing and have decreased mobility and have better -- a better picture right now, some of the cases that we are collecting are because we are testing more , but the positivity rates are also going up in states like texas where it is about eight percent, florida, about eight percent, arizona almost 20 percent, we have seen the positivity rates go up, that's a clear indication there is now community spread underway and this isn't just a function of testing more. so some of it is testing more, we are probably catching right
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now somewhere between one and five to one in 10 infections, before, during the epidemic we were probably measuring one in 10 to one in 20 infections, so catching more over all but the infections are also going up, this is an pandemic expanding in these states and the challenge is there is not a clear end point, we are becoming more and more dependent on a therapeutic intervention in the fall, because we are taking a lot of virus through the summer, we shouldn't be where we are in june right now. it is not clear what is going to improve the picture in july and august if we are not going to start to impose additional mitigation, start closing bars and restaurants and states aren't going to want to do that, they will be slow to do that so these case counts will build. >> brennan: and many of these states were talking about not doing those things you are recommending. i want to ask you though about what some of the businesses are doing, because there were businesses who kind of led the way in shutting down in the first place, apple shuttered stores in apartments, florida, north carolina, south carolina, due to outbreaks, every team in major league baseball is going to shut their camps due to this.
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are corporations go doing have to lead the way this time as well? >> or just shut it down in other ways. is that the state and not the mayor? >> that's what happened last time, the states and local school districts really forced the hand of policymakers on shutting down the economy. think what you will see is businesses that are national in scope are going to close stores regionally and that's what we saw with apple and other business today in florida. i think school districts right now are contemplating how they reopen and some of them might make decisions not to reopen looking at all of these trends in these states, it will be harder to lock into place. i think they should try reopen there fall but if there is a lot of virus still in july and august it will be hard for them to reopen the schools, so if we want to reopen the schools we have to get this under control. we might have to take a little bit of economic pain right now to get this under better control in these states to open up the opportunity to open schools in the fall which is going to have a big economic benefit because
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parents can't go back to work in earnest unless their kids are in school. >> brennan: absolutely. good point, thank you very much, dr. gottlieb, always good to talk to you, we will be right back. back. >> we've implemented shorter hom while also restocking our products. but if anything, these days have reminded us why we do what we do. because despite everything that's changed, one thing hasn't, and that's our devotion to you and our communities. we're working together, in-store and online, through pickup and delivery, to make sure you can still get the essentials you need. and as we move forward, know that our first priority will always be to keep you and our associates safe.
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brick-and-mortar stores were closed they were very engaged. with our brands, with our products and now as they have the opportunity to engage in a physical way, we see them doing entha slowo step-by-step where things were but the opportunity to engage physically and digitally is something that we see consumers being enthiews yask to do. >> brennan: and you are reopening a number of your businesses not just in this country but also in china, which continues to see these flare-ups of covid-19. i wonder how you are doing with that sort of stark stop, flare-up, pull back, do you go ahead and rehire people to actually work in stores or are those jobs going to come back at all? >> well, we held on longer than most of our peers, and so we did not furlough or lay off
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employees for quite some time globally and particularly here in north america. but what we have seen is that we went from fully shut in asia to today in china being fully opened in, and south korea being fully open and that has stayed steady. at the same time, in north america, we are gradually opening, but really taking the lead from our store employees, from our consumers, so that we look to avoid both start and stop, but also want to make sure we do it in a way that makes the most sense for our employees. >> brennan: but the jobs are coming back, you think? it is not all going to be online shopping from here on out? >> without a doubt, margaret. at least in our case. >> brennan: okay. >> we think the consumer ask ming toward atwe digital and >> brean: ow, we abououg of ohe world, that means, and you are
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one of only four african-americans in that list. there are zero black women on that list among the 37 female leaders. and i wonder what you think the reason is. why at the highest levels is diversity still a challenge? >> it is an unfortunate reality and it is a real opportunity and it is an opportunity really for boards and for management to challenge themselves, to really challenge themselves in terms of both diversity and inclusivity, so you focused in terms of statistics on diversity and it is clear that we need to better recognize that it is not simply a nice thing, it is a real business imperative to have a diverse number of views around the table, the more you have different life perspectives, different experiences around the table, we develop better products. we develop better solutions as
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corporations and it is one of america's great strengths if we get it right. so it is really holding ourselves much more accountable, the same way we hold ourselves accountable for revenue and profits targets to make sure that we are diverse and then to at encrageleit a ully at work as themselves. >> brennan: but how does -- corporations are having to make these decisions on their own. what is the best way to do these things? is it setting quotas? is it hiring head hunters and talent scouts to bring in people from the inside? i mean, how do you put this into practice? >> it is holding ourselves accountable for goals in the same way we hold ourselves accountable for revenue and profit metrics, and fundamentally believing that this is a business imperative. i noted last weak you had rod
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kaplan on your show and he made the comment representing the federal reserve, the belief that inclusive at this translates into greater work force growth, greater productivity growth, and greater economic growth and so we exist within an ecosystem, within an economic ecosystem. the faster that eco system is growing because it is more diverse and inclusive the faster we will grow, so it is a real imperative and we need to hold ourselves accountable the same way we do against other business metrics. >> brennan: but when you say business metrics that means setting quotas? i mean because i read that you had sadie verse at this by itself doesn't mean a lot until you change the culture of your organization. those seem like two different things. >> they are two different things. so it is guess, as i think about the graphic,ndok liclear tt
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setting goals, it is not setting goals five or ten years out but setting goals quite immediate, just like my board holds me accountable for revenue and profit metrics not five and ten years on out but this year and t year, that's the diversity piece of it. and then on the inclusivity piece, it is recognize you don't change your culture so that if a more diverse workforce comes and they find themselves living in a 1950s culture and in a culture that is not representative of where america is today, you won't keep your people. you won't motivate your people, you won't get the best out of your people. so it is having a culture that -- or -- a culture that is more inclusive that actually encourages people to fully show up as themselves. >> brennan: all right. thank you very much for your time and your reflections. >> thank you, margaret. >> brennan: we will be back in a moment. >> ♪
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>> brennan: americans across the country honored juneteenth as a day of reflection and in some cases celebration this past friday. it is meant to commemorate june 19th, 1865, the day slaves
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in galveston, texas learned they were free and the civil war was over. some states in u.s. corporations have newly designated it a paid holiday. new york times columnist cbs news political analyst jamelle bouie joins us from charlottesville virginia this morning to give us more context, good morning. >> good morning. >> brennan: you know, many americans are really learning about the historical significance of juneteenth for the first time and you reflected on it in a column this week. but you say you don't think of it as slaves having been grantet for themselves, what do you mean by that? >> the sto of emancipation going really back to the founding of the country all the way to the civil war is very much the story of enslaved africans and freed blacks taking the initiative to put their natid that'she agenda of especially true during the civil war, the war as many know does
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not begin as a war for abolition it begins as a war for union but as soon as the shooting starts, enslaved people are escaping to union lines, they are leaving work on plantations, they are offering their assistance to union soldiers as guides, as slavers, and soldiers and it is those actions that trance form the war for union into a war for liberation, into a war for emancipation, and although junetethose enslaved ae whisked away to texas to avoid the emancipation proclamation i still think it is an opportunity for us to consider and take seriously the fact that emancipation does not happen without the actions of the enslaved, not just over the war but really over the course of 80 years. >> brennan: and you are finding some resonance in the moment we are in hat'sight.wh thi juneteenth sort of erupted in this way over the past couple of weeks, why people find it is
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resonant right now is juneteenth is very much a holiday about the distance between freedom that is promised and freedom that is lived and right now, millions of americans are seeing with regards to police brutality and with regards to inequality the distance that still exists between freedom and liberty as we imagine it, as we have proclaimed it and as it actually experienced by ordinary people. >> brennan: texas senator john cornyn and congresswoman sheila jackson lee are talking about trying to make it a federal holiday. you have a lot of corporations acknowledging it, some giving the day off as well now. but you kind of said that doesn't sit quite right with you. you see it as a little bit opportunistic. >> right. no one is going to complain about a paid holiday, right? like everyone likes paid holidays but when we think about what protesters are calling for and we think about what, you know, actualizing freedom actually means, i happen to think that a more fitting
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tribute to juneteenth would be policies that assist not just african americans but every american to help them reach their full potential, help them like actualize their freedom in a real way. that to me is what the holiday is about, it is what the distance and what we can do to close that distance. >> brennan: you are speaking to us from charlottes industrial, virginia, and i don't have to tell you but to remind our audience that was the location in 2017 for what became a fatal white supremacist rally and it was sparked originally by the statue of robert e. lee and the debate over whether to remove that symbol of the confederacy. fast forward to today, i mean this week we had the governor of virginia talk about taking down lee in the capitol of the confederacy. isn't that progress? >> i think that is progress. i think that represents americans coming to recognize what those statues were he erected for, they weren't
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erected as memorials after the war but erected as symbols of jim crow and symbols of white supremacy and i think it is the public coming to the recognition that public space is ours to shape, that when we put up memorials or monuments we are trying to present a particular memory. >> brennan: uh-huh. >> -- of the past that we want to remember, and do we want to remember on, honor a past where someone like robert e. lee was a central figure, a figure of esteem? >> brennan: right. >> i don't think we do. i don't think millions of americans want to. so that is i think what we are seeing and it does constitute progress. >> brennan: jamelle, thank you. we will be right back. we will be right back. >> it r from the number one toothpaste brand in america. crest. ...what's going on in corporate america and what investors are believing
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>> brennan: former national security advisor john bolton is the subject of considerable criticism from the trump white house in light of his new book. yesterday, president trump said he had been upset with bolton since beginning, starting with an appearance right here on "face the nation" more than two years ago. let's listen. >> he was being interviewed on "face the nation", one of your friendly shows, and he talked about the libyan model on kim jong-un who i have a very good relationship with and had a very good relationship with. once he mentioned that, it was not a good situation. i said, how stupid can you be? because you know what happened to gadhafi, no one wants to die the way he died and here is a
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guy saying we like the libyan model, and all i could do is hope that they didn't see it but they did see it. it was one of the dumbest things i have ever seen on television, frankly, so he lost me. >> brennan: of course, we call our broadcast "face the nation". and we will be talking to john bolton again in two weeks on july 5th. but that is going do it for us today we want to wish all of the dads out there watching a happy father's day. until next week for "face the nation", i am margaret brennan. >> captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org
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