tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC February 20, 2018 12:00am-1:00am PST
"all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> doesn't this indictment disprove what mr. trump has been saying all along? >> president trump lashes out. >> i would be very careful if i were president trump here. >> tonight in the wake of indictments, why the president is attacking everyone but the russians. plus, inside russia's troll farm with the reporter who saw this coming three years ago. >> maybe it's some kind of really opaque strategy of like, electing donald trump to undermine the u.s. or something. then, as the white house calls the florida massacre a, quote, reprieve, my interview with the students who are fighting back. >> if all our government and president can do is send
thoughts and prayers, then it's time for victims to be the change that we need to see. and "the new york times" reports another story of another extramarital affair with donald trump, and another elaborate attempt to cover it all up. "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. three days since special counsel robert mueller unveiled an indictment, 13 counts of russian nationals for waging what they called information warfare against the u.s. the president of the united states has yet to announce any new steps to punish russia for those activities. he has not directed his administration to prevent interference in future elections, including the one this year. he has not even gone so far as to condemn russia's efforts to subvert american democracy. instead, the president apparently spent much of the weekend parked in front of the tv at one of his properties in florida, tweeting furiously and lashing out at a number of targets, from oprah to the fbi to his own national security adviser.
seemingly everyone except vladimir putin. the president spent the long president's day weekend at mar-a-lago about 40 miles north of parkland, florida, where 17 people were murdered at marjory douglas stoneman high school last week. and because of that proximity just an hour away, the president's aides kept him off the golf course for part of the weekend, fearing it wouldn't look good. and so despite the beautiful weather in florida, the president stayed indoors and tweeted instead. just after 11:00 p.m., he tied the school shooting which his own staff called a, quote, reprieve from the many white house scandals to the russia investigation. quote, very sad the fbi missed all the many signals sent out by the florida school shooter. this is not acceptable. they are spending too much time trying to prove russian collusion with the trump campaign there is no collusion. get back to the basics and make
us all proud. that tweet distorting the fbi's mission that id did not follow up properly on a tip about the gunman did not sit well with the survivors of the massacre at stoneman douglas. i'll speak with two of them later tonight. his own national security adviser h.r. mcmaster said the indictment revealed on friday showed incontrovertible prove of russian interference in the election. general mcmaster forgot to say that the results were not impact order changed by the russians, and the only collusion was between russia and crooked h, the dnc, the dems, remember the dirty dossier, uranium speeches, e-mails, the podesta company. friday's indictment did not make a statement either way as to whether the election was impacted. and we won't tart to fact check other claims and buzz words in the rest of the tweet. suffice to say it's not accurate. the president kept going into
sunday, taking shots at hillary clinton, adam schiff, ranking member of the house intelligence committee among others. and then there was this. if it was the goal of russia to create discord, disruption and chaos with all the committee hearing and investigations and party hatred, they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. they are laughing their asses off in moscow. get smart, america that one at least was consistent with official white house talking points. what the russians are trying to do is outline by deputy attorney general rosenstein was create chaos in the american election system. and i'll just say this. >> right. >> there are two groups that have created chaos more than the russians, and that's the democrats and the mainstream media who continued to push this lie on the american people for more than a year. >> that same clip was later promoted by none other than rt, the international tv network funded by the russian government. the staff were unable to keep him off the links a third day in the row. he got 2/3 of the way through the weekend without golf as a show of solidarity with the victims. and this morning he finally got to make the short trip over to the golf course. but he still found time to tweet obama was president up to and beyond the 2016 election.
so why didn't he do something about russian meddling? we know president obama tried to do something was blocked by senate majority leader mitch mcconnell as former vice president joe biden recounted last month. >> mitch mcconnell want no part of having a bipartisan commitment that we would say essentially russia is doing this, stop. bipartisan. why don't we put out a bipartisan warning to russia. hands off, man, or there is going to be a problem. democrat and republicans, well, they would have no part of it. that to me hanging around that body up there for a longer than any of you around doing it meant to me that the dye had been cast here. this was all about the political play. >> now a year and a half later, after we have learned so much what happened in 2016 after robert mueller released a 37-page indictment laying out the russian conspiracy in detail, at least one small part of it.
and after as the intelligence chiefs told congress that russia is already gearing up to interfere in the midterms, we are right back where we started with no government wide strategy. only this time it is because the commander in chief himself refuses to act. jill wine-banks is an msnbc legal analyst. paul butler, a former federal prosecutor and also an msnbc legal analyst. i'll start with you, paul, as you're sitting right here. as a prosecutor, what is your reaction to watching the president react to these indictments? >> so the indictments on friday lay the predicate for collusion, that the russians tried to throw the election to trump. it's a speaking indictment, what prosecutors do when they want to show off how much they know about our criminal case in order to scare possible subjects and targets to coming forward while the getting is still good. prosecutors certainly would not reveal all of their cards this early, including whether there
are measures who are also involved in this conspiracy to obstruct justice or conspiracy to defraud the united states. they wouldn't because it's an ongoing investigation. so think of three parts to this investigation. one is collusion. that the russians tried again to subvert our democracy. that's established in detail. part two is whether americans were involved in that effort. and part three is obstruction of justice. >> and jill, the president sort of obsession with lashing out at people around this issue i think is charitably chalked up to him taking offense that it takes way from his victory. but it could also be the case, we do not know, that he is angry about it because he continues to cover something up. >> i think it's far more likely that it is because he is obstructing justice and covering something up, that he knows what went wrong. he knows what he did. he knows what other people did. i think this indictment is a very major step forward.
it's the first of what i think will be many indictments to deal with the core issue that mueller started with, which is the meddling of the russian government in the election for 2016. i think there will be more. this deals only with the social media aspects of with rallies that were created through social media, with advertising. and you can't say it didn't have some effect unless you say that advertising is a waste of money, that no one should advertise products or policies or campaigns because it has no effect. of course it has some effect. and we know that americans read these ads. we know they attended rallies. and so it may have had an effect. and i'm sure that's bothering donald trump. but i'm also sure that he is worried about what other evidence will come out. and i would say that this indictment with its detail suggests that there is someone embedded in the activities that are set forth there who may know a lot more about who the persons known and unknown that are named in the indictment.
you have certain -- you have three organizations and 13 russian citizens who are named. but it also says that there are others named and unnamed. there is also the american who was indicted. and he says in his plea that there is other knowledge that isn't set forth. that everything he says is true. but that not everything he knows is there. and he will tell more. >> speaking of more evidence, we also got further reporting this weekend that rick gates, who is one of the people who pleaded not guilty along with paul manafort is about to plead guilty. for folks who don't remember rick gates, a sort of business partner of paul manafort who was of course a campaign chair. both of them were indicted on similar accounts dealing with moneylaundering. gates now appears ready to plead guilty. what's the significance of that? >> so here is a data point for mueller's bio that i think is very revealing.
he left a cushy job at a firm making a lot of money to be a homicide prosecutor in d.c. in the '90s. he is going after people like papadopoulos and flynn. he thinks they're low life thugs like he used to prosecute back in d.c. i think he had a little sit-down with gates where gates said okay, i can give you information about manafort. mueller is like i got that case. that's easy to prove. that's a paper case. it's failure to report, money laundering. he's got that case. mueller says to flynn, mueller says to gates, i need more. what else you got? and again i think that's why we see this guilty plea. >> so your point is that cooperation on the charges as stipulated against manafort isn't even that helpful because so many of the charges are a paper case. either he did or didn't do the things as documented. you think the fact that he is willing to plead guilty and that might be accepted suggests there might be more to tell. >> mueller is aggressive and he
is tenacious and detailed. he has charged five americans with crimes. four out of the five have already plead guilty or like gates, will plead guilty. >> yeah. >> jill, where do you think this goes next based on what you were able to glean from this indictment? >> well, one thing that i would say is that this is an impeachable offense because donald trump has not lived up to his constitutional duty to protect america. and we have a real threat to democracy with the interference in our elections. and we need some leadership here. donald trump should be asking congress to pass new legislation that will protect the 2018 election. and he has done absolutely nothing. he has been totally silent on this. in fact, if anything, he has despite his recent statements that well, it could have been russia, he has many times said it's not even russia. and we need him to take some responsibility for this. i think that this is the first step toward an impeachment
because this is an impeachable offense. >> the dereliction that you see here. >> it is a dereliction of duty, absolutely. >> jill wine-banks and thank you both. on the president's web of foreign deals. i wanted to get your response. i thought this was a very interesting tweet from the president in this tweet storm this weekend. funny how the fake news media doesn't want to say the russia group was formed in 2014 that of course is this propaganda at work. long before my run for president. maybe they knew was going to run, even though i didn't know. which seems dangerously close to leading people to a theory of the case that is very associated with the infamous steele dossier, the idea that russia
was cultivating him from the jump. >> yeah, there was a lot of odd tweets this weekend. i think the word "unhinged" has been associated with trump tweets for a long time. but this week i think really was unbelievable level of desperation and just seemingly coming from a confused mind. but absolutely. the idea that the russian operation started in 2014 is not good news for donald trump. this means that there was a well planned, at least according to the u.s. law criminal enterprise. and that doesn't mean that he had to be collude organize be involved from the beginning. but the fact that that enterprise existed and that we know for sure his campaign had some interaction with it. we don't know the full extent that is not -- this is not good news. i don't know why he thought it would be something to celebrate. >> and it sends you back to this sort of fateful -- there is a great article in your magazine the new yorker about the moscow pageant. it sends you back to that sort of moment and agalarov who you have looked into the intermediary through one of the points of contact was made. this is amazing. this is a tweet in 2013 after miss universe from an agalarov
aide. "i'm sure donald trump will be great president." that's back in 2013. >> absolutely. and i also reported on his business dealings with a variety of georgians who also incidentally have been close to the agalarovs. and they arranged a series of meetings for him in 2010, 2011 with president mikhail sack vili. i have no reason to think there was some organized conspiracy back that far. but certainly he might be a figure on the world stage, that he might be a political figure seems to be deeply tied with his relationship with russia and the former soviet union. >> having been embedded on this beat and looked at the president's business ties for a long time and thinking about this, what is your takeaway from where we are right now and what has been revealed by the indictments thus far? >> so the way i see it is -- the information seems to obviously strongly show or strongly suggest that certainly by 2014, the kremlin, putin had a very strong and organized effort to sow discord in u.s. political process as well as political
processes all over the world. i think for him, my hunch is it was a lucky break that the man who became the republican candidate happened to have a so many deep, deep, deep ties with cronies of putin. now to be fair to putin, i don't know if that's the right phrase, but trump's ties were generally with lower tier russian oligarchs, former soviet union oligarchs. but people fully under putin's thumb. and so it was this lucky break. and we know from the don jr. meeting, from papadopoulos, from others that putin took advantage of this by reaching out to trump again and again. we don't yet have the missing link. >> sure. >> but we have an awful lot of information. >> it's like with the sistine chapel picture of god and adam where we're at this point in the investigation. the fingers not quite touching yet. we'll see what will happen. >> it's almost there.
and we know from the don jr. meeting, from papadopoulos, from others that putin took advantage of this by reaching out to trump again and again. we don't yet have the missing link. >> sure. >> but we have an awful lot of information. >> it's like with the sistine chapel picture of god and adam where we're at this point in the investigation. the fingers not quite touching yet. we'll see what will happen. >> it's almost there. >> new yorker david adamson, great to have you. >> thanks. next, details from the russian troll farm operation interfering in the election. what an employee says it was like working there on the 12-hour shifts. they saw it comes years ago in one of the most prophetic pieces of journalism in recent memory. that's in two minutes.
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the "washington post" managed to speak with someone who once worked there who described it as, quote, some kind of factory turning untruths into an industrial assembly line. i immediately felt like a character in the book "1984" by george orwell, a place where you have to write that black is white and white is black. all kinds of fake information appeared to work so well at promoting discord in the u.s. the americans aren't used to this kind of trickery. they live in a society where you're expected to answer for your words. the existence of the agency is not a new discovery. the journalist adrian chen profiled the internet research agency in an investigative piece for "the new york times" magazine all the way back in 2015 call it a shadowy organization in st. petersburg, russia that spreads false information on the internet. in a podcast interview later that year, again, all the way back in 2015, adrian chen made this rather staggering and prescient information. >> i created this list of the russian trolls when i was researching. and i'd check in once and a while. and a lot of them have turned into conservative accounts, like fake conservatives.
i don't know what's going on, but they're all tweeting about donald trump and stuff. i feel like maybe it's some kind of really opaque strategy of, like, electing donald trump to undermine the u.s. or something, like false flag kind of thing. that's how i started thinking about all this stuff after being in russia. >> with me now is the reporter you just heard there, adrian chen, staff writer from the new yorker and rosalyn heldman from "the washington post." and adrian, let me start with you. i listened to that interview and i read your piece in time. in that one sentence, you stumble upon what appears to basically have been the plot, which appears to you in the moment as a joke almost. what do you think about it now? >> i mean, i think it is wild that that seems so prescient because it was really just a joke at the time, you know.
trump's campaign seemed like a joke, and also just the idea that that would somehow be a strategy that anyone would think would work was also just ridiculous. >> rosalyn, i thought it was interesting that you talked to -- that your reporters talked to people that worked there. and talk a little bit about the conditions they describe. >> yeah, i mean, they very much describe sort of a factory of disinformation, much as adrian found in his really excellent piece. they talk about 12-hour history ises, 9:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m., and then overnight. they work in rooms with banks of computers, 20 computers in a room with the shades drawn on the windows, having to hit sort of quotas of how many posts they get per hour, per day. one thing i thought was really interesting is they would talk about how sometimes they would purposefully fight in the comment sections of articles. two people would take one position and a third person would take the opposite position.
and eventually the third person would declare ah-ha, he had been convinced. >> and so there is division in the agency, according to this individual and others between what's happening domestically in russia where a lot of this is focused on that. and then the kind of elite english unit. in fact, one of the employees of "the washington post" said he couldn't get into the elite unit which pays more because his english wasn't good enough. it has almost this uncanny way of communicating. >> they are -- the establish department, but they're not all that good at english. if you look at their posts very closely, there is a lot of weird sin tax errors. they don't quite understand the dynamics of the u.s. political system. they might advance, you know, various positions that you would be why is that kind of person with that kind of politics going for that? and so i think they, you know, had a certain very bare bones understanding of what they were
doing, and they were just going off of this. >> but there is a huge amount of volume, right? that's part of the thing here. it's a fair amount of labor power and a lot of volume, right? >> yeah. it's a kind of amazing how many -- it was 90 people in the american department. and so they were tasked with doing posts all day, every day. so they could turn out thousands of comments doing that. and it would be interesting to see where did they target them exactly and how much could they actually overwhelm legitimate comments on a news site or something. >> rosalyn, it was interesting to me this individual spoke on the record with his name. because you think about putin's russia, you think about the fear that people have about dissent there and the criminalization we've seen of it. what do you take away about the relationship of this place to the government and people and how open a secret it is? >> well, there has been a tremendous amount of news coverage of the internet research agency in russia, as well as here. more obviously in russia there has been some lawsuits filed against it by former employees. so there is sort of this pool of aggrieved former employees out there who want people to know that they think that this is bad
and shouldn't be going on. this is something that is very closely linked with the government. that was not in the indictment. bob mueller did not allege that this was government-directed. however, "the washington post" obtained a classified or portions of a classified nsa report that was filed just in december where they concluded that this very operation was almost certainly known about and probably directed by the kremlin. >> is it your sense this is ongoing? >> i do believe that it's ongoing, yeah. i've had some off-the-record conversations with some people who have been claiming to still work there. and, you know, i think that it's still going on, yeah. >> do you think that it's going to -- it seems like in some ways it's a remarkably effective model. in so far if you just want to ms. with people, there is this kind of -- there is this kind of salt in the wound thing
happening here, right? in terms of what the goals are, you don't have to pull off some enormous thing. you just have to kind of be in people's consciousness enough constantly in this irritant way with 90 people you're paying, running an operation that doesn't cost that much money. it does seem like it's sort of good bang for your buck. >> well, the effectiveness question which everybody is talking about now, it's of my personal belief that it isn't all of that effective. it's essentially a social media marketing campaign with 90 people, a couple million dollars, a few million dollars behind it. run by people who have, you know, a bare grasp of the english language and not a full understanding of who they're targeting, what they're targeting. i think if you think about that in terms of just a normal marketing campaign, that's not going to be a very good bang for your buck. i think the paranoia aspect, right, the idea that there is this kind of all powerful or immense propaganda machine that is going on, and anybody who is tweeting something you don't like or is kind of causing
trouble on the internet. >> could ban agent. >> could be connected to russia, that is a very powerful thing that is going on and is really increasing now in the wake of these indictments in kind of a warring way there is not a lot of people saying well, let's hold back, you know. maybe it's not all of that big of a deal. >> adrian chen and rosalind helderman, thanks for making the time tonight. coming up, i'll talk with a survivor of the shooting in parkland, florida, who along with many of her classmates is taking the national discussion on gun reform into her own hands.r but there's one... that blows them all out of the water. hydro boost water gel from neutrogena®. with hyaluronic acid it goes beneath the surface to plump skin cells from within and lock in hydration leaving skin so supple, it actually bounces back. the results will blow you away! hydro boost and our gentle exfoliating cleanser from neutrogena®
solely on the parkland school shooting, they're even too busy to hold a press briefing for three straight days. on friday the president went to visit the community and spent roughly 35 minutes at the hospital there. took a few photos like this one which he tweeted out. in shortly he went back to mar-a-lago to attend a studio 54-themed birthday party that night reportedly polling mar-a-lago members who pay initiation fees about their thoughts. he was at his golf club today as some of the victims were laid to rest this morning around 40 miles away. one white house official described news of the mass slaughter in a high school as a, quote, reprieve from other administration scandals like, for instance, how an apparent serial domestic abuser who couldn't get permanent security clearance became one of the most senior aides in the white house.
that official told "the washington post," for everyone it was a distraction or reprieve. a lot of people here felt like it was reprieve from seven or eight days of just getting pummelled. you can imagine how that feels, to get pummelled. meanwhile, the most powerful voices to emerge in the wake of this tragedy have been those of the survivors themselves. students organizing protests, a march on washington, school walkouts, and speaking out to save lives. >> we are going to be the kids that you read about in textbooks, not because we're going to be another statistic about mass shootings in america, but because just as david said, we are going to be the last mass shooting. if the president wants to come up to me and tell me to my face that it was a terrible tragedy and how it should never have happened and maintains telling us how nothing is going to be done about it, i'm going happily ask him how much money he received from the national rifle association. [ cheering ] >> i'll speak with two survivors from that shooting, just after this break. stick around. jimmy's gotten used to his whole room smelling like sweaty odors.
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aside from thoughts and prayers, which is what we heard from everybody, i got to go. i can walk with you. i can keep up. do you have any solutions at all besides thoughts and prayers? i mean, there must be something. >> aside from praying for people, i don't think you should diminish that. >> politicians have in some cases literally run from questions about the shooting in marjory douglas stoneman high school last week. students have organized protests and rallies and walkouts speaking about the need for gun reform. sarah chadwick and sophie survived last week.
they're both part of the never again movement and they join me now. i want to sk start by asking you, i'll start with you, sophie, first, how you're doing and how you're processing all of this. >> well, that's kind of a hard question because obviously none of us are really okay. but now that we're putting all of our energy into the movement, we're feeling really motived to make a change. >> how about you, sarah? >> well, everyone has a different grieving process. i think for us this is our grieving process. i don't know about everyone else, but i can't sit at home and do nothing. i have to go out there. i have to make a change. and that's what's going to make me feel better. >> how are you, sophie, how are you organizing? it's been remarkable to watch all of you come together and start essentially a movement in the wake of this horrific tragedy in such a short period of time. what is it like? what conversations are you
having? >> it's kind of crazy. we're just a bunch of high schoolers changing the world from our a friend's house in parkland. it's kind of surreal how we're doing it. it's definitely not what you would expect. it's very all over the place. but we're doing great. and we have so many people supporting us. so it's good. >> sarah, i want you to respond. i know you tweeted to the president, if i'm not mistaken before. and i wanted to get your reaction to a few things you. said dear donald trump, i'm the 16-year-old who tweeted you who said i didn't want your condolences, i wanted gun control and went viral because of it. i heard you're coming to my community soon and i would like to express my opinions on gun control to you face-to-face. >> i want to ask him why a mentally ill 19-year-old was legally able to purchase a game to here in florida. and why he was able to come into my high school and shoot 1 people and kill them, honestly.
i also wanted to ask about stricter gun reforms, gun safety, gun laws, and just have a discussion with him about it. because i feel like we -- if not me, a bunch of people just want to hear. we want to hear that things are going to change. we want to hear how things are going to change, and we want to hear that -- i mean, we've gone through this so many times before, columbine, sandy hook, las vegas. nothing has been done. and we want to see that something is going to be done. >> sophie, there is someone at the white house who talked about the shooting that happened at your school as a reprieve, and they meant in a very specific context. the white house had been getting a lot of bad press about scandals and so forth. i wonder how that strikes your ears, having lived through what you just lived through. >> can you repeat the question, please? >> someone in the white house referred to what happened in your school as a reprieve, an aide. and they meant it in a very specific context, that it was a reprieve from all the bad publicity the president and his staff lad been getting after
weeks of scandals. i wonder what it hears like to hear someone who works in the white house characterize what happened in your school that way. >> i think it's horribly insensitive because our school literally just got shot up. and the white house is making it about them when there are kids that are dead. and this is why we're marching. because we're marching in washington because we need them to hear us, and we need to have a conversation with us. >> sarah, there is some people i think i've seen who think that it's a bad idea for you guys to organize so soon, that you're still processing grief, that you're young, that you're students, that it's too much. that people like myself shouldn't be putting you on television. i've seen people express that thought. what do you say to them?
>> well, yes, we are high school students, but you have to know we know our limits. we have parents that are looking out for us. we have people reminding us to eat. we have people reminding us to rest. we know our limits. and we promise you, we're not doing anything dangerous to ourselves that we're going regret later. and i feel like we are high school students, and we're the ones who are organizing this march. we're the ones who organized the never again movement. and i think that says something. i think it's a lot more symbolic that high school students are doing this instead of adults. so i'm glad that high school students are the ones who are doing this. >> sophie, you're going to go to washington, i imagine, for this march? >> yeah. >> have you ever done anything like this before? >> not ever even remotely. you would never think that we would have to do something like that. because we're only in high school. >> i want to thank you guys for making time. and i just want to reiterate, i really do hope that all of you are getting some rest and getting adults that you can talk to and other folks you can talk to about what is going on. and i think the entire nation is
thing 1 tonight. our president is asking us or sort of hectoring us to have a great but very reflective president's day. sort of a hilarious admonition to remember the reason for the season, i guess, the true meaning of president's day. trump spent the day golfing. but yes, let's reflect on this very solemn president's day. the day that america's bachelor president james buchanan invariably gets pegged as the worst president ever. pegged as utterly inept who accepted slavery as law and whose inaction allowed the nation to slide into a civil war. all that is why scholars of all stripes rank hip dead last when assessing the greatness of american presidents. until now. as historian kevin cruz put, on
so in a brand-new ranking of best and worst presidents in the nation's history from a survey of scholars conducted by political science professors conducted today in "the new york times," the last spot, the very bottom, the worst president ever in the minds of the experts, drum roll, please, is, yes, donald j. trump. there he is, lounging in the basement underneath buchanan. trump ranked only 36 spots lower than his predecessor, president barack obama who is ranked eighth best president ever. okay. but that's just a bunch of pinhead liberals. but no, the overall ranking was from a mix of republicans, democrats and independent scholars. and yes, the democratic scholars put trump last. and yes, independents do believe he is slightly better than the guy who ushered into the civil war, james buchanan. but republican scholars who
don't say trump is the worst, they say he is one of the top five worst presidents ever. yes. republican scholars say there are four presidents, four worse than donald trump. johnson, pierce, william henry harrison, and that loser bachelor who hastened the civil war, james buchanan. so it's not all bad. for the record, we could argue it's unfair to rank trump as the worst ever after just one year. in fact, i would argue he is the worst after one year. he hasn't gotten us into a great depression or civil war, but clearly the scholars see in him great potential.
mattress is dangerously big update tonight on a story that could have profound consequences for control of the house of representatives in november. last month you'll recall the pennsylvania supreme court, that's the state supreme court, struck down that state's congressional map after democrats charged that the 18 districts were unconstitutionally gerrymandered to benefit republicans.
they had a pretty good case, even though democrats outnumber republicans in the state, the republicans hold a 13-5 advantage in congressional seats. and that's because after the 2010 census, the gop-controlled legislature drew up wildly gerrymandered districts like pennsylvania's 7th district which is not so affectionately known as goofy kicking donald duck. they could not agree to a new fair map. republicans unsuccessfully appealed to the u.s. supreme court in a hail mary to keep the old map. that didn't work. and one even threatened to impeach the democratic justices who made the initial ruling. today after all that, the state supreme court issued a new congressional map which eliminated a lot of contorted gerrymandering. republicans will likely sue. but assuming the new map stands, it will be or could be at least be a huge boost for democrats who need to net 24 congressional seats to take control of the house. the new map of pennsylvania would net them four seats and possibly more which puts them on
track to win at least a sixth of all the pickups they need in that state alone. so that is very big news. also big news, revelations about a second woman reportedly paid more than $100,000 in an effort to keep her alleged affair with donald trump out of the headlines. that story right after this. when i received the diagnosis, i knew at that exact moment, whatever it takes, wherever i have to go...i'm beating this. my main focus was to find a team of doctors that work together. when a patient comes to ctca, they're meeting a team of physicians that specialize in the management of cancer.
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he facilitated the $130,000 out of his personal funds shortly before the election. in florida today, amazingly, because this is the world we live in, trump's motorcade drove by a gentleman's club advertising stormy daniels. reporting about a former playboy model who four days before the election was paid $150,000 for her alleged affair with trump which the white house denies only the story never ran. here to explain why, megan who co-authored the "times" story on mcdu gle. who is she and how does she come into the circle of trump? >> so cara mcdu gle is a play mate that said she had an affair with trump around 2006 when stormy daniels the porn star says she had a sexual encounter with him. >> the same vent? the same time. >> they certainly claim to have, there is no doubt they were both at the same celebrity golf event in las vegas where stormy says she met him for the first time.
into the circle of trump? >> so cara mcdu gle is a play mate that said she had an affair with trump around 2006 when stormy daniels the porn star says she had a sexual encounter with him. >> the same vent? the same time. >> they certainly claim to have, there is no doubt they were both at the same celebrity golf event in las vegas where stormy says she met him for the first time. >> and so ka -- cara makes this claim. what happens next. >> she ended up being paid by michael cohen and ends up striking a deal with american media which is basically this parent company to the national enquirer and tabloids and what has become increasingly clear is that trump had a very close relationship with david pecker, the head of the america media and it would seem the publication, the media company was basically willing to buy and bury stories that were potentially damaging to trump
and cohen, you know, what we realize the in the course of our reporting over the last couple months while michael cohen, trump's personal attorney wasn't directly involved in that agreement between cara, he was collecting details and from her personal attorney who was also the same attorney for stormy daniels. >> oh, right. it's the same attorney for both of these women representing both of them. each of them end up with payments and in one case it's $130,000 michael cohen gives out and cara media. the question you ask and there is great reporting in "the new yorker" and a lot of it corroborates the details, why do you spend that much money for a story you kill? >> that's a great question. america media has said it was
not able to corroborate that story, but i think that there -- >> pause there. everyone think what you see in the national inquirer and ask yourself if that's credit nl. >> american media wasn't able to corroborate the story but did in fact pay $150,000. it also said that it was going to basically give her a column, a fitness column and great publicity, put her on the cover of publications and what we realized is that she was increasingly frustrated after striking this deal. she actually turned to another lawyer seeking assistance saying she felt like american media wasn't following through on its side of the bargain. >> so what i think is fascinating here, you along with other reporters of "the times"
broke the harvey wine stein story, this structure of secrecy build a top his misdeeds. here we only have two examples but seems like examples of an operation around donald trump that this is not the first rodeo for these folks in terms of burying news they do not want to come out. >> yeah, what we found is that while the payment to stormy daniels and cara mcelderry doug l received attention, there was an effort by michael cohen to cover up potentially damaging stories going back to 2015 when there was a hedge fund manager turned digital entrepreneur that said he had obtained several photos of trump appearing to sign the bare breasts of a blonde, which you could see
people wouldn't want to come out during a presidential campaign. he goes to michael cohen and michael cohen blows up and threatens him and says if you publish those i'll destroy you and the conversation turned to david at america media and he steers this guy in his photos to national inquirer, to david pecker at american media. >> am i wrong, you can't answer definitively, like how often did this happen? >> that is a really great yes and important to note while in these several cases we're talking about people who claim to have consensual sexual encounters with trump. trump is also somebody that has during the course of the campaign basically been subject to multiple allegations of sexual misconduct about unwanted sexual advances and groping and assaultive behavior. what is significant about this story is if there was a machinery in process to try to cover up things that could be
damaging for trump, you know, when it came to even allegedly consensual affairs, were there things done to silence other damaging stories that were much more significant and much more grave? >> we should note that the women that have come forward, we know those women but it's possible there are others that have not or we have not heard from them. >> that's right. one of the things that has come out in the process of this me, too movement and moment is a lot more attention paid to these settlement agreements that can be struck with women that come forward with allegations of sexual misconduct that often times and lawyers that will help them secure settlements and receive a payment but they are locked in silence but telling their stories. >> one of the best reporters working in america right now. i say that without hyperbole. >> thank you so much. >> that is "all in" for this hour. you can find more on the facebook page and and if you miss any of the show, download the podcast. wherever you get your podcast
but for now, stay here because it's time for "the rachel maddow show." tonight donald trump back at the white house after a florida weekend tirade in the wake of the mueller indictments during which he managed to link the florida school shooting to his own legal trouble. then he went after obama. meanwhile this was not a holiday weekend for the mueller investigation, and we've got new details tonight on the former trump campaign staffer ready to plead guilty. and do the surviving parkland students in their anger and grief represent the best chance to do something about the mass shootings that have become a predictable part of our american life? "the 11th hour" on a monday night begins now. well, good evening once again from our nbc news studios here in new york as we on this he'd monday begin this holi