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thanks for being with us. remember to follow us online on facebook, on twitter at mitchell reports. here are ali and stephanie for "velshi & ruhle." >> good afternoon. i'm ali velshi. >> and i'm stephanie ruhle. it is friday, january 18. let's get smoorter. bombshell, president trump himself ordered his lawyer michael cohen to lie to congress. >> which some members of congress say could be the most serious allegations yet about donald trump and russia. >> buzzfeed reporting that president trump directed his former attorney, michael cohen, to lie to congress about plans to build a trump tower in moscow. >> one texas democrat now says if this explosive new report is true, president trump must either resign or be impeached.
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>> rudy giuliani, he is already trying to suggest that this report is not true. this is michael cohen's a liar. >> has he read it? it's not based on michael cohen. he's not one of the sources. >> this is obstruction of justice if these facts are true. this is subonning perjury. it's no question it's an impeachable offense. >> if this is true, does it mean president trump committed a crime? >> it means he committed three crimes, steph. >> i'm sitting 12 blocks from the white house and i can almost smell the gun smoke. >> you're saying the president did not tell michael cohen to do that? >> i'm telling you right now this is exactly why the president refuses to give any credence or credibility to news outlets because they have no ability to corroborate anything they're putting out there. instead they are just using innuendo and shady sources -- >> that was not dida denial of question. >> the premise is ridiculous. >> it sure as heck explains why michael cohen lied in earlier testimony to our committee. >> this is the kind of evidence
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that could influence republicans as well as democrats to act faster because they are the ones who got lied to and the public got lied to. there were also evidence of nixon lying to the public as grounds for impeachment. >> i will let the house members comment about impeachment or not. our investigation, which is the only remaining bipartisan investigation, is continuing to try to get all the facts. >> i think michael cohen is a very desperate man. i think he holds no water whatsoever. we've seen that he perjured himself in the past. >> oftentimes juries can be convinced that it takes a criminal to catch a criminal. and even somebody with horrible credibility issues, if they can withstand cross-examination, a jury is often willing to believe that, yeah, this guy is a liar. yeah, this guy is a scoundrel. but he knows it takes a scoundrel to know a scoundrel. >> he's of your ilk. he's a criminal defense attorney. he said to me once.
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he said, you know, if you have the devil on trial, sometimes you have to go to hill to get the witnesses. >> that's right. >> all right. the president of the united states directed his former personal attorney to lie to congress. that's what two law enforcement officials involved in an investigation of the matter tell buzzfeed news. first, let's hear what the president has been saying for three years. >> but zero, i mean, i will tell you right now, zero -- i have nothing to do with russia. >> i have nothing to do with russia, folks. they said maybe donald trump is involved in projects with the russians. the answer is no. no. >> i have no deals in russia. i have no deals that could happen in russia because we've stayed away. >> i have nothing to do with russia. to the best of my knowledge, no person that i deal with does. i have nothing to do with russia. i have no investments in russia, none whatsoever. >> i have nothing to do with russia. nothing to do with russia. >> well, he's consistent.
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but a new buzzfeed report bolsters claims michael cohen made about the president. investigators telling buzzfeed trump knew about plans cohen was advancing for trump to visit russia and meet personally with vladimir putin during the 2016 campaign, all in the hope of moving a trump tower moscow project forward. the sources tell buzzfeed, trump told cohen, quote, make it happen. now, back in october of 2017, cohen testified before the house intelligence committee. in his testimony, cohen claimed the trump tower moscow dealing ended in january of 2016. a claim we now know to be a lie. and according to buzzfeed news's sources, the president directed cohen to tell congressional investigators that lie. and it's a lie that the president's current lawyers seem to expose in an interview last month. when you listen to this, remember, the president said, talks on the moscow project ended in january of 2016.
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>> did donald trump know that michael cohen was pursuing the trump tower in moscow into the summer of 2016? >> according to the answer that he gave, it would have covered all the way up to november of -- covered november 2016. said he had conversations with them. >> all right. >> the answer that he gave, not here's the truth. according to the answer that he gave. >> there is obfuscating going on there. as the president tries to cast doubt on cohen's -- it's not just michael cohen's word that investigators are relying on. buzzfeed sources say authorities learned about trump's directive to cohen through multiple witnesses from the trump organization internal company e-mails, text messages and a cache of other documents. documents that buzzfeed reporters say they have seen with their own eyes and another reason the president may be overly concerned.
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buzzfeed sources say cohen gave the president's adult children, quote, very detailed updates. something that could turn dicey after donald trump, jr., testified to congress he was only peripherally aware of the plan. now, we should note michael cohen spokesman declined to comment, but did not dispute the story. rudy giuliani tells nbc news, quote, any suggestion from any source that the president counseled michael cohen to lie is categorically false. but as you have often reported, stephanie, there is zero chance that donald trump was involved in a project or donald trump's children were involved in a major project that donald trump would not have known about. as ari melber said, this isn't general motors. >> this isn't even a mom and pop. it's just a pop. >> just pop and the kids. >> there is no scenario where donald trump wasn't aware and involved. joining us now, nbc news investigative reporter ken dilanian and former u.s. attorney harry litman. all right, ken, this is just
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another piece of the many investigations surrounding the president. out of all of these, where does this newest buzzfeed news fit in? >> well, i think most people agree, stephanie, that this, if true, is a game changer. this is almost a separate thing from the whole question of russia conspiracy because what buzzfeed is asserting is that this happened after the election, and donald trump told michael cohen to lie to congress. co-equal branch of government. that appears -- if true, he'd be guilty of sa borning perjury, obstruction of justice. it seems like an impeachable offense. it's kind of thing that drove richard nick on from office. there is a relevancy to the russia investigation. if true, why did he tell michael cohen to lie about this moscow trump tower deal which, of course, would have to have the approval of vladimir putin? was it for public relations reasons, it would have looked bad, or was he concerned about other relationships with russia emerging? after all, this project could not have been built without
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vladimir putin's say-so. you know, he was negotiating this at a time where he didn't think he was going to win the presidency. so it raises a host of questions. i think the last thing of interest here is what did robert mueller ask donald trump about this in written questions. we know from "the new york times" reporting that one of the questions to donald trump from mueller was, what conversations did you have with michael cohen, his partner felix saider and others about this trump tower moscow project? the question now is did donald trump answer that question truthfully, guys. >> harry, let's put aside the fact that this is donald trump we're talking about, the president of the united states. let's assume an average citizen did the things that trump is accused of. we already know that he directed cohen to make two hush money payments. there are some questions about whether he knew the legality of that. put that aside. here, it is reported that he directed someone to lie to congress. talk to me about that. >> fine. if this were like a page 3 report in west virginia about a local businessman, what it would
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mean is the next week, that guy would be indicted on at least a three-count felony charge and almost certainly would be pleading guilty in short order. it's as ken says, a game changer and as serious as a heart attack. it's clearly a crime of obstruction. it's clearly a crime of aiding and abetting a false statement. it's clearly a crime of conspiracy against the united states. and whether it's subbornation of perjury depends whether cohen took an oath. if this is not donald trump, then it is straightforwardly about to be charged and convicted. and, of course, that it is donald trump, i'll just say from the prosecutorial point of view, makes this what prosecutors would call a righteous prosecution, because it's not simply a technical violation. he's hiding here precisely in
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order to conceal from the american people a relationship of being beholden to a hostile enemy -- to a hostile power at the time he is asking to be made president of the united states. >> so, ken, we're all saying we are anxiously awaiting michael cohen's testimony on the hill. what is it, february 7th? >> february 7th. >> february 7th. already today who have we heard from? laura lee trump, rudy giuliani, all on the same narrative we hear from sarah sanders, kellyanne conway. michael cohen is a known liar. who cares what he has to say? they will be on that same narrative come february 7. so, is there anything that could happen on that day even though we think it will be a day of big shockers? it doesn't really matter what he says. they're going to call him a big fat liar. >> that is true, stephanie. what's also true is my understanding is he's not going to be able to discuss this whole trump tower moscow matter or anything else that goes to a pending criminal investigation. he's been warned away from doing that. but what i'm told is that he's
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going to offer very detailed anecdotes about how donald trump operates behind the scenes. that will be very disturbing. we're told he's going to paint trump as a mad man. they've been war gaming his people have, these scenarios, what stories, how detailed, how granular. you have to put the people in the room. and i think in a televised congressional hearing, that may have an impact. we've never seen this before. we've read accounts of how donald trump behaves. we've seen allegations. but here is his fixer and long-time lawyer of ten years coming before the congress on television, talking about the dirty secrets behind closed doors. >> talk to me, harry. we've had some version of this discussion before. but this idea of undermining -- >> nonstop every day for the last two years. i think we've talked about this a little bit at some point. >> to the degree that rudy giuliani and the president depend on undermining michael cohen's credibility in the face of a potential prosecution or something like that, that's kind
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of par for the course, right? wouldn't you prosecute people who commit crimes, you are often depending on the testimony of people who are not -- >> savory. >> yeah, getting their angel wings any time soon. >> savory, i like that. 98% of the time, it always turns on whether the person appears credible and scared on the one hand, but also corroborating evidence. i think maybe the most important paragraph that ken detailed is the one that says they have many different conversations, e-mails, memos, and the like. there's going to be pressure on that, you know, to come out. and an odd feature of this, and to my mind troubling, it looks like the sources are actually law enforcement. not from within the mueller campaign, but law enforcement. if that's true, a, somebody ought to get fired, but, b, it does mean we're not talking cohen alone or even principally.
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we're talking chapter and verse that a jury can look at as an exhibit. that's killer evidence. >> this is important to note, that buzzfeed's reporting doesn't come primarily from michael cohen. so we can agree or disagree -- >> michael cohen is like the punctuation. >> right. they apparently have seen documents, text messages, things like that. guys, thanks very much. ken dilanian and harry litman. >> thanks. >> next, is president trump closer to impeachment? we're going to look at all that's gone down this week alone. what is actually an impeachable offense and what is not? you're watching "velshi & ruhle" on msnbc. i just got my cashback match,
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welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." on a day when the case for impeaching donald trump look -- looks less hypothetical than ever -- i want to say that one more time. on a day when impeaching the president of the united states is actually a valid topic -- >> it's crazy. it keeps on building. if the provocative buzzfeed news headline is accurate and the president directed his former attorney michael cohen to lie to congress about his moscow tower project, could be an impeachable offense. just ask president trump's own nominee for attorney general, william barr, who said this week -- he said this at tuesday's capitol hill hearing. listen. >> you wrote on page 1 that a president persuading a person to
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commit perjury would be obstruction. is that right? >> yes. any -- well, any person. >> you also said a president or any person convincing a witness to change testimony would be obstruction. is that right? >> yes. >> okay. and on page 2 you said that a president deliberately impairing the integrity or availability of evidence would be an obstruction. is that correct? >> yes. >> okay. >> joining us now, senior editor at the atlantic. and jeffrey rosen, president and ceo of the national constitution center and a law professor at george washington. you actually layout a long list of reasons in the atlantic making the case for impeachment. where does the new buzzfeed piece fit into all that? >> it gives congress less excuse for inaction than it had before. impeachment made a lot of sense to trigger as a process going
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into this week. and now that we have yet another report of a potentially well evidenced crime, it's high time congress got itself into gear. >> jeff, i've got my trusty copy of the constitution here. >> he brings it everywhere. >> excellent, good. >> put it in your pocket. section 3, the senate shall have the sole power to try all impeachment. s. when sitting for that person they shall be on oath or affirmation. when the president of the united states is tried, the chief justice shall preside and no person shall be convicted without the concurrence of two-thirds of the members present. you and i have had this conversation several times before. the case for impeachment may get stronger. it may be there. but the practicality of impeachment in our current environment is low. the likelihood is low. a lot of people said that in 1973, too. tell me how that all plays out? >> well, in 1973 initially, republicans were skeptical, but once they saw clear evidence of
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obstruction of the president ordering lies to congress to cover up wrongdoings, then republicans changed their mind and once nixon concluded that there were not enough votes to save him in the senate, he resigned. here, too, it is conceivable that if the allegations are corroborated by clear textual evidence, the political climate could shift. republicans in the senate might conclude that there was a clear violation and, therefore, it's not inconceivable that you could get three quarters votes to convict, or even two-thirds, which is all that is necessary. >> all right, jeffrey, history lesson. james madison wrote about a president potentially acquiring the office through corrupt means. what if that's the case? what if the president acquired the office through corrupt means. then what? >> first, i have to recommend yoni's phenomenal piece in the atlantic. corruption of the kind madison was concerned about connecting with foreign leaders and
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engaging in bribes would be impeachable even if there were not a technical crime. madison would not have encountenanced impeachment, maladministration, simply not doing the job well. but if, of course, we concluded and there was evidence that the reason president trump ordered cohen to lie to congress was to cover up evidence that he was acquiring the office by corrupt means, by basically encouraging putin to interfere in the election, that would strengthen the case even further. simple violation of the obstruction statute, even without that additional corruption, would make the case for impeachment as strong as it was in the nixon era. >> yoni, let's talk about the practicality of this. we are two years away from a presidential election where the argument about -- against donald trump is as strong in political quarters as it may be in legal quarters. although i would recommend people read your article because of the way you've laid it out. what's the, what's the -- if you thought that donald trump either acquired the office by improper
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means or has conducted himself in a way that qualifies for impeachment, what should people who believe that be thinking about? is impeachment the practical course, or is figuring out a way to make sure donald trump is not the president of the united states the more practical course? >> well, i think it's important to think about impeachment as a process rather than an outcome. >> interesting. >> it gives us a structured way to weigh the charges, to lay them out before the public, to debate them. the fact that we're having this conversation suggests those charges are already out there and the public already is debating them, but we're not doing it in the mechanisms the founder has devised. donald trump has subverted a wide variety of long-standing norms and procedures that have sustained american democracy. and the right response to that is to turn to a process as delineated in the constitution, to use norms and procedures to counter the way that he has destabilized them and, in turn, his opponents have largely
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discarded them. impeachment gives us a way to put a process in order and put this debate where it belongs, and that's really a question of duty for congress more than it is of political practicality. >> wow. jeffrey, on the long list of items that are under investigation -- and it is a long list -- what, if anything, rises to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors? >> i think that everyone, republicans and democrats, agree that suborning false statements to congress is a federal crime and would qualify as an impeachable offense. it was in the nixon administration a mild form of alleged obstruction was impeachable over clinton. setting aside the question of proof and corroboration, if president trump did what buzzfeed alleged that he did and mueller reports that, then that would be an impeachable offense.
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>> thanks for your article. yoni apple balm. >> tough thing to prove. >> it gives us a reason to be discussing this. it's fascinating, just when you think you've heard enough, there's more. >> president trump versus speaker pelosi. the duel is on. you know who is bleeding? the country. we are 28 days deep into this shutdown and it is getting vicious between the two of them. pelosi speaking out just moments ago after trump denied her a government plane to visit troops in afghanistan. we're going to explain the very good reason the speaker of the house flies on a government plane going back to 9/11. you're watching "velshi & ruhle." i'm ken jacobus and i switched to the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy. and last year, i earned $36,000 in cash back.
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welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." house speaker nancy pelosi is calling out president trump after he publicized her plans to travel to afghanistan and blocked her use of a military jet for the trip. and then outed her plans to fly
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commercially instead, which she is now calling a very dangerous move. >> we had a report from afghanistan that the president, outing our trip, had made the scene on the ground much more dangerous because it's just a signal to the bad actors that we're coming. you never, you never advance -- you never give advance notice of going into a battle area. you just never do. perhaps the president's inexperience didn't h-p him understand that protocol. >> here's something else the president does not seem to understand. his letter to pelosi's office yesterday betrays the fact that he does not know procedure. the fact said, quote, due to the shutdown, i'm sorry to inform you that your trip to brussels, egypt and afghanistan has been postponed. he continued, quote, obviously if you would like to make your journey by flying commercial, that would certainly be your prerogative. let's remember, congresswoman
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pelosi is speaker of the house. that is the third in line of succession to the presidency. it is the same position denny haas territory held back on december 111, 2001. the day terrorists flew planes into the twin towers, the pentagon and pennsylvania field and had likely plans to attack the white house or the capital building. days later, hastert requested use for a military plane for his travel. from that day on, with the shadow of 9/11 in the rearview mirror, the speaker of the house has always flown on government planes. it has become known as, quote, speaker shuttle service. >> let's bring in msnbc terrorism analyst, malcolm. despite routine procedure, pelosi said she and the delegation were going to change planes and fly commercial. but according to pelosi and her office, quote, this morning we learned -- this is yesterday -- the administration had leaked the commercial travel plans as well. talk to me about your thoughts on this.
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>> well, what the white house did was it compromised the operational security of that entire congressional delegation and the number 3 person in line of succession in the united states. this is a very, very grave matter. one, it's not just a question of taking commercial aircraft or military aircraft. military aircraft are mandated when you're going into a war zone, like afghanistan, not just because of, you know, not just because of its capacity to take damage. but they have to fly a very particular profile when landing in these extremely dangerous places. what's happened here is the enemy will now have known all of the activities which would be occurring in the vicinity coming out from their provinces, diplomats preparing themselves, armored security teams and it would give them the profile of a v.i.p.'s moments. the president could have canceled this, he could have
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done his political move without compromising the personal security of the hundreds of people who would be on the ground preparing for this visit. >> and a political move it was. if you didn't already believe it was a revenge tactic, then you would, after you watch minority whip steve scalise, he basically spelled it out earlier on fox. >> steve, do you like what the president did yesterday? >> i think it was appropriate considering what she did on state of the union, which was -- it was unprecedented and i think unbecoming of a house speaker to uninvite a president. never happened before in the history of our country. >> all right. playing politics with government trips and plans, are we entering a new world here? how far could both sides take this? because, again, yes, she's not going on a trip, he might not be able to give the state of the union, but 800,000 people aren't getting paid. >> well, you're absolutely right. we are in a new world.
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but i think this removing the military aircraft is a step too far. it's one thing to say that the speaker of the house, you know, can't travel and that should have been a recommendation they should have done publicly. they would have gotten really good public relations out of that by making that in a public venue. but by removing the safety and security, not just of her, her congressional security staff -- congressional staff, the secret service or the capitol hill police security that would have been with her, the military forces on the ground, the afghan diplomats who were there, foreign allies, that has just gone too far. and i really think that if there's anything that should be done here, the white house needs to be chased atened, and they n to step back from this. >> malcolm nance, nbc terrorism analyst. >> i just want everyone to work together, to get people paid and back to work. >> yeah. >> across the board, please. this is why people don't like
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the government. all right, we're two weeks away from tax season and that's not exciting enough. if the shutdown has not affected you yet, it's going to get very personal. the irs will be working at about half staff, which could mean a delay for your refund. next, we're going to speak with the president of irs workers union, now suing the u.s. government and trying to get back to work with pay ahead of their busy season. this is so upsetting, ali. >> we are watching the markets through all of this 28 days of shutdown. here's a live look at the dow. you can see a very strong day. it's peeled back a little bit. the dow is up more than 1%. this is on talk that perhaps we've got a trade agreement with or some development. >> the question has been what does the president prefer to be, mr. market, or mr. tariff. and today it looks like he cares more about being mr. market. >> you're watching "velshi & ruhle" live on msnbc. bc what if numbers tell only half the story? at t. rowe price, hundreds of our experts go beyond the
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>> we talked about this last year. they don't have enough staplers, pens and paper. with the irs functioning at half staff and the majority of employees working without pay are american taxpayers going to have to wait for their refund? >> i have to think there are over 800,000 people who will want to file their taxes yet earlier than usual because they're not getting paid by the government so they would like that tax return quickly. joining us now tony reardon, national president of the national treasury employers union whose organization is suing the federal government for requiring employees to work without pay during the shutdown. tony, thank you for being here. during last year's tax season, the irs had received roughly 18 million returns and processed a little more than 6 million refunds by february 2nd. this year they're under staffed, trying to accomplish not only the same mission -- i think the mission might be higher because of all these people who are going without money. talk to me about what this means. >> well, let me first just say in addition to the irs staff who are -- who have been called back
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to work, there are 800,000 federal employees who are suffering -- suffering. and i have to tell you, it is incredible -- stunning, candidly to me, that in the united states of america we actually have a government that will not pay its employees on time. now, in terms of these irs employees, yes, they have been called back, and i think there is a more than a fair amount of concern on taxpayers' part that they may not get their tax refunds on time. see, i think we have to remember that, you know, even in advance of the shutdown, going back to 2010, the irs had lost -- since 2010, the irs had lost 23,000 employees. so then we move along to tax reform, and it's the biggest tax reform that we've seen in the last 30 years in this country.
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and candidly, the irs wasn't ready for that. lack of funding, lack of personnel. then we come to a shutdown. now, what was supposed to happen, of course, in advance of the shutdown and through where we've been in the shutdown, is training. for irs employees, so that they are ready to deal with the millions of calls that are going to invariably come in, right, and they're not going to have the training. the training i've heard is antiquated. it's not what it should be. and so there are a lot of problems and i think we have a lot of concerns about whether or not the tax season is going to happen the way it's supposed to. >> so when you talk to your members, what are they saying? >> they are angry. they feel helpless. and i will tell you, stephanie, i think it's an excellent question because we have a large number of our members, that they literally cannot afford the bus fare, the gas, the ability to pay for child care in order to go in to work. so, you know, what is happening
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here is absolutely incredible. and i'll tell you this. here's what is mystifying to me. there's been legislation that has been passed and signed by the president that would pay federal employees as soon as the government shutdown ends. what mystifies me is, why don't we just go ahead and pay them right now? >> can i say one thing or ask? >> yeah. >> how sick or misguided is it of those out there who are saying, oh, come on, it's just one paycheck. these employees have huge benefit packages. >> well, i would say a couple things. first of all, i've heard numbers of 78% of working americans live paycheck to paycheck. the next thing i would say is we are talking about government employees, employees who want to be at work, employees who are extraordinarily mission focused. and they are federal employees because they want to serve the american public.
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and what is our response to these folks who have done nothing more than take an oath to the united states of america? we've said to many of them, go to work, do your job, we'll give you an i.o.u. >> ali, also, their benefit packages, their pay, they were offered when they took the job. >> that was the deal. >> excellent point. and i will tell you this, for all of those americans out there that believe that federal employees have this just magnificent retirement plan, that is not the case. i will tell you, it is certainly something that they were promised when they came to work, and it's something that our government, our congress and administration should deliver on. and they should pay these people now. >> well said, tony. >> they're owed. >> they're owed. they had a deal they were going to be paid. this is going to hurt the economy, not just them.
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for all of you that need to file your tax returns early because you want that money back that is your money -- not the government's money, that's why you get a tax refund. if it's your money and you need it back soon, this is going to now affect a whole lot more than 800,000 people. until now, we've legitimately been worried about all these government workers furloughed workers, federal workers, contractors who aren't getting money. this is going to start to affect a whole lot more people. >> they raise this, they have these benefit packages. it's what they agreed to. >> it's what they offered. it doesn't mean they don't deserve to not get paid. the numbers -- you did it the other day. there are a lot of government workers who don't earn that much money. let's not get crazy about that. >> yep. >> all right. >> here's the silver lining. we have been hearing day in and day out, beautiful extraordinary stories about how everyday americans and companies but people are helping one another cope during this government shutdown. we're going to speak to one woman who is feeding federal workers for free at her restaurant in denver, colorado.
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welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." hope you're hungry. we are in day 28 of the partial government shutdown -- you are. and that means 800,000 federal workers have gone nearly one month without a paycheck. but as the shutdown drags on, stories of resilience, rescue and kindness continue to emerge. people across this great country stepping up to help those who are struggling to get by. >> go ahead. >> you know, i was just so excited -- >> it's all good. as "the new york times" describes it, a makeshift national safety net stitched together by private businesses, banks, local governments, organized labor and charitable institutions is spreading slowly and unevenly across the united states. and one member of that safety net is morgan mckay who has been offering unpaid federal workers free wine and pizza at her popular denver restaurant. when she put up the offer, she only expected a few people to show up. night after night dozens have
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arrived, including -- and this is the party love -- a new crop of paying customers who are there, not just for the great pizza, but to support a restaurant that is doing the right thing. that's the part of the story i even love more thanstory. i lough more than tve the fact been offering pizzas for the people. thank you for joining us, tell us how you got this started? >> a couple of weeks ago, i was at work one night and a couple of our regular customers were talking to and they were furloughed employees and it got me thinking and i went home that night and talked to my mom, mom, we have to do something to help. and you know first thing that came into mind is well, we own a restaurant, food. food was what we can do to help. we posted on facebook that night that we would start the next day
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offering complimentary dinner for their family so they can come out, just have a worry-friedworry-fre worry-free dinner. >> this is an important point. we have been talking about payment arrange ments. the idea that there is a meal that could be paid for is remarkable but again the part that morgan stood out to me is that you have extra paying customers to support this move. >> we do. as more people started hearing of what we are doing, we had a lot of people come that say they never been to our restaurant before but they saw us and they wanted to come and support and we saw people offer to help sponsor furlough employee meals so they can help us with the food cost providing meals for all families or they made
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donations of the families adopted to help further. it has been amazing. we had two cowboys came in with cowboy hats and they work at the stock show, they came in just so they can pay for dinner and support our cause. it has been an amazing thing to see all these people. >> that's really good business and kindness. your restaurant has become sort of a meeting place over the last few weeks. these furloughed workers, what did they tell you? what's their message? >> the furloughed workers? >> you know it has been all over the board. their families that are worried that you know, there is certain level of depression that's starting to affect families because it is this feeling of being stuck with no end insight and no idea of what to do. there is also many families trying their hardest focusing on the good and see salespeople
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supporting. it has been all over the board and amazing. seeing the position that all of these families in, it is really hard breaking. i had no idea how far reached in the position these families are put in. >> one of the things is show support from businesses whether it is a major bank or olio's. if you show your sport either by going to the restaurant whether tweeting about it, it will encourage more and more business like yours to do what they can. through you people are able to be helpful. does it help you continue to do this that others are showing their support for you? >> yes, it does definitely. yes, bringing in additional
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paying customers is helping us and sponsoring the meals. also, them coming into support since we decided that after we provided meals to everyone, we want to do even more. we actually adopted seven families locally that reached out to us in a financial bind. >> we are going to help them out throughout the whole government shutdown. they reached out to us and they are family that lives paycheck to paycheck. they don't have any money right now to pay bills or rent. one family has -- the wife stays at home with special needs child and they had to cut back for therapy for their child because they don't have any money. we have single mom that reached out that had no support system and don't have disposal income, we taken them under our wing and we hosted a couple of fundraisers with 20% of our sales are given back to these
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families and we are hosting again next week assuming the shutdown is still going on. we set up venmo and go fund me. we have been trying to raise money for these families to replace the income they are missing. grant it we know it is only seven families but we feel like it is something, it is something that we can do to help chip in even with small efforts. we can help more and more people out for however long it will last. >> you will be rewarded for this. we'll remember the name of your business and all of our viewers. everybody needs to go to denver. you and people across america are making a difference for those workers who have not done anything to bring this on themselves. >> thank you. >> go to the place, that's
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amazing, in colorado. oliois. >> absolutely. >> this is great, we'll be right back. >> thanks morgan. don't let cracked skin tell you what to wear. new aveeno® cracked skin cica ointment. with shea butter and triple oat complex. for fast relief and a protective barrier for lasting relief. wear what you love, aveeno®.
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and texts, how do i help and what do i do? thank you america for doing everything you are. >> that's what make america great. who's going to change things? how do we come together? >> you are. >> i will see baack here at 3:00 p.m. eastern. >> i am going to watch you at 3:00 eastern. i am going to sign off and give it to our friend, katy tur. >> look at how positive you are. it makes me really depress about what's going on in washington. >> no way. >> this needs to happen because lawmakers can't come together to figure out how to pass a budget. it is the same thing where you see a little boy having a big sale to raise money for his parent's cancer, oh, it is lovely but it is deeply depressing. >> bad things are always going to happen in any scenario. when you see that people can rise

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