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than they usually are. the sentencing of manafort is really troubling. >> nancy gertner gets tonight's last word. the 11th hour starts now. >> tonight donald trump says he feels bad for his campaign chairman manafort. today's distraction was the fight over pardon between trump and his former lawyer, michael cohen, nearly over shadowing the fact that the president called democrats antijewish and anti-israel. we are expecting updates on roger stone, rick gates while manafort learns his second prison sentence. all of it as "the 11th hour" gets underway on this friday night. good evening from our nbc
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headquarte headquarters. here in new york, we have reached days 778 of the trump administration. the president have gone on offense before heading to alabama to tour the tornado damage. trump took swipe at michael cohen and using the manafort's sentence to discredit the mueller investigation. here is what the president said about cohen this morning before leaving the white house. >> michael cohen lied about the pardon. he lied about a lot of things. when he lied about the pardon, that was really a lie. he knew all about pardons. his lawyer said they went to my lawyer. i can go a step above that but i won't do it now. >> of course, he did go a step above that. from the shelter of twitter and his aircraft when he wrote this. bad lawyer and fraud sister michael cohen said under sworn testimony that he never asked for a pardon. his lawyers totally contradicted
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him. he lied and directly asked me for a pardon. i said no. he lied again. he badly wanted to work at the white house. he lied. with that trump essentially admitted he discussed a pardon directly with cohen. trump's attack comes nine days after cohen testified under oath to congress. he accused trump of being a racist and a conman and he also added this. >> i have never asked nor will i accept a pardon from president trump. now, to state the obvious, cohen's credibility have come under fire in reports of discussions of pardons of did he or did he not. he responded to trump, just another set of lies by potus. mr. president, let me remind you that today is international women day, you may want to use
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today to apologize for karen mcdougal and stephanie daniels. yesterday a federal judge gave paul manafort four years in prison. his arraignment took place one year ago today . this was the scene outside the courthouse that day. >> show us your bracelet. >> hey, traitor. >> russian flag. traitor! traitor! you are selling the americans to the russians. >> trump made it clear he saw the sentence hearing as an exoneration, both stated loudly and for the world to hear there was no collusion with russia. the witch hunt continues.
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to be clear judge ellis did not say there was no collusion with russia but the manafort was not being sentenced for anything having to do with crimes related to collusion. in comments many saw as aimed directly at the president, manafort's lawyer dutifully added there was no evidence that his client was involved in collusion. trump's comment on manafort did not end with his early morning twitter posting. here he is a short time later. >> i feel badly for paul manafort. it has been a tough time for him. if you notice both his lawyers, they highly respected me and a highly respected judge, the judge said there was no collusion with russia. i don't collude with russia. >> i don't even discuss it. >> the only one discussing it is you. i have not discussed it.
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>> on that, let's bring in our lead off panel for a friday night, our former fbi assistant, director for counter intelligence and our reporter from the washington post and jeremy bash, former chief of staff and chief council to the house. jeremy, i would like to begin with you, how do you read this back and forth between trump and cohen. is it a giant, shiny object or contents of consequences here? >> the first thing i notice is his sympathy foreman fo manafor me smell pardons in the air. i think manafort is angling for a pardoning hard. the president is signaling he's incline to grant one. between michael cohen and president trump, there is a way to solve this crime which is the president instead of standing at the white house lawn wanted to
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sit down under oath and give sworn testimonies to special counsel, we can put his testimony up against michael cohen testimony. president trump has yet to do so. >> frank, as a federal investiga investigator. how does it strike you that you have donald trump here seemingly unable to stop talking about manafort and cohen. is there jeopardy that you see there? >> it is a strategy. we are giving it too much credit when we call it a strategy. rest assure that prosecutors and investigators are recording all of his public statements and the concept of him aligning his fate with manafort's light sentence or slamming cohen for his cooperation, there is a little
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late night latin, it translates as let the master answer. that legal concept is embodied vicariously, it is in the statute, it is embodied in the rico statue. it is the concept of the master being liable for the acts for those under him in many cases, organize crime families. every time he publicly ties himself to a lenient to manafort, look, there, we are good and we got no collusion there. he's really reenforcing the concept that responding or let the master answer for his under doings. investigators and prosecutors will use that against him. >> i love when we go bilingual on this broadcast. >> carol, where do cohen stand being an incredible witness? >> i think michael cohen was viewed skeptically when he sat
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in the house and in closed session as well. he left a little bit harm by his own clumsiness or lack of care for his wording. i can see where he's trying to say i won't accept a pardon from him. the way he said it sure seems like he never got interested in one. it seems there were some coated language exchanged between his lawyers and the president's lawyers and now the president tweeting allowed he was asked about a pardon and he said no, directly asked by michael which was shocking. it was not so long ago that trump's personal attorneys were insisting that they never discuss pardons with the president or anyone. >> frank, back over to you, while covering him meant that
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judge ellis over in virginia does not suffer from a lack of self-este self-esteem. what is the paral when the president sums up the comment of a federal judge in this case wrongly. >> boy, in any other case brian against any other person than donald trump we have seen an indictment and we likely have seen a gag order. look at the case for roger stone, right? so the president has this bully puppet for his own defense and his own vindication in his mind. so we see this go unchecked and it will remain that way as we head into a campaign stance and we are left telling the public how to interpret what a judge says. instead of the public looking at transcripts and see what the judge says, they're going to get a clip on the evening news of the president putting in his own
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words and as usual, it is inaccurate. >> back over to you, i am curious to know and this may call for a consider judgment or an educated guess on your part. how did yesterday's sentence affect members of mueller's team do you think? >> i really want to stay away from speculating about how mueller's team feels. >> come on, walk right in. >> i would say that they probably were, it is possible from their pleadings of what they were seeking and with judge jackson with the district court and washington, d.c., it may be different, i would urge people to look at a washington post story published today. ill urge you to look at that. it says essentially with light cases, very similar cases that manafort actually got hit pretty hard with four years. now, if you look at people who are charged and convicted at
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trial, which did happen for him in one of his cases. he got off pretty easily. if you look at people who extensively cooperate and are charged with the same that manafort was charged to or plead guilty, he really did quite well. it is complicated and nuance and i am sorry to say that. remember mueller's team make clear what they wanted and we'll see what they get from judge jackson. >> jeremy bash, i have to introduce some evidence on this conversation on an entirely different topic and an unpleasant one. it is not just because i know you grew up a son of a rabi that i am going to ask you about the president's comment here immediately branded as both inflammatory and wrong. >> the democrats have become an
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anti-israel party. >> the democratic party stands for inclusion. the president is trying to flame the issue. there is an under lying truth that needs to be addressed. congresswoman omar's statement were not about criticizing another country's policies. she was not criticizing israeli policies. she was saying american jews have a dual loyalty. that was anti-segmentism. >> going back to the phrase of the protest of the '60s. the whole world is watching. what an israeli audience is supposed to take on a comment like that?
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>> the issue of israel has been in flamed as a partisan issue. we had democratic presidents who under this strategic relationships between the united states and israel. the president would serve our country well and our alliance well if he made it a bipartisan issue and not a bipartisan issue. >> almost a toss off comments on the president's part except for the fact that he said the same language exactly twice today. our guests agreed to stay with us. we'll fit in our first break. monday we'll begin another consequential week for the mueller investigation. we are going to run down day by day and what to watch for or look for next. later, barely passing the half way point of his term. donald trump has a senior staff job to fill. the same job he has filled six times previously. he's looking for a seventh, we'll talk about today's high
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my name is tanya, i work at the network operations center for comcast. we're working to make things simple, easy and awesome. we wanted to call next week's calendar to your attention tonight. this is important as it could be a critical few days of coming for the mueller investigation. on monday, roger stone, will have to explain to a federal judge in d.c. what steps he has to take to comply with her gag
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order. on wednesday, conspiracy charges of manafort in his other case. on wednesday, michael flynn, will tell a virginia judge if he's ready to move forward to his sentencing. it was delayed in december. thursday, roger stone , is back in court at d.c. a friday, a week from tonight, manafort's partner, rick gates may learn when he'll be sentenced. he's been cooperating with the feds. he had testified among others. all of this as we are of course awaiting mueller's final report in whatever form. frank, carol and jeremy are still with us. carol, any of those events or court dates stand out to you as if we have to pick one to drill
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down on or pay extra attention to? >> i feel like the manafort's sentencing is going to the most interesting and likely the most consequential where there is real action. it seems to me that michael flynn is unlikely to schedule a sentencing date in march and will likely based on the experience he had in federal court will judge emit sullivan in december where he got the rude awaken of the possibility of being sent to prison. it seems to me flynn is not going to be sentenced any time soon. that's going to be put off until july. the same with gates, if i put a crystal ball, i would say this person is very much in the coopera
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cooperator's seat right now. a lot of people want to talk to him from the mueller team and the southern district new york. >> frank, let's backup a little bit. were you of a mind of various media including this news organization got out over their skis in reporting a perhaps a premature ending to this mueller's effort? >> i had said a couple of times what others had been concerned about which i wonder whether it is deliberate strategizing and the white house and of those around trump if the public was disappointed or forthcoming. kind of a fabricated deadline. carol raised some interesting points here. if cooperators are not done. if we don't see dates set or flynn coming in next week, i am ready and gates, i am done,
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prosecution agrees on done. ready to get sentence then we are not close to getting this thing done. i am going to be focusing on those two. flynn and gates next week. manafort is going to get hit fairly hard but i am focused on the clock. >> jeremy, you are a lawyer, same question to you. if you hear flynn and gates' sentencing had been push, what would it mean to you? >> i think roger stone probably has some evidence as he builds out his narrative of what went on during the 2016 campaign. the county also has a skeptic that mueller is going to be completely done. tie some lose sentencing down the road. whether he does next week or next month or three months, he has conducted this investigation in record time with stunning results winning the convictions are guilty pleas of manafort,
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gates and flynn and papadopoulos and cohen and he's got roger stone on trial and others possible to come. this special counsel has been highly efficient and effective and not to mention the light he has shined on the russian activities going all the way back to the kremlin. >> frank, your business of law enforcement never seizes to amaze me. i saw this tweet today and it stopped me in my tracks. raise your hand if you thought the alexandria jail will hold butina or paul manafort or chelsea manning, all the same time. >> the chelsea manning thing is getting assumed by all of these manafort and pardon talks with cohen. clearly, something is seriously up with wikileaks and julian
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assange and chelsea manning is not playing nicely. we need to watch it closely because it may tie right to the release of dnc e-mails and right to the white house. >> carol, back over to you. did this grand jury, the chelsea manning's grand jury predates the mueller effort though it could dub tailed and merged? >> yes, they had charged and indicted assange under seal. people had been wondering for quite some time. there could be three different cases. the reason of this chelsea manning case had been sort of dubious as the one for the charges is that it would be such a novel charge to bring in the first amendment case.
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you know where is the crime? you can sort of see the crime if assange took half materials o f the crime. publishing something that they'll provide it. and so i have got question marks all over my head right now wondering myself but i agree what frank said. this is quite a grand jury to watch. i am confused chelsea manning's claims that it is surrounded by secrecy. yeah, grand jury are secrets. you are a witness, you can come outside and tell us what you are asked or what you said. i invite you to do it. >> jeremy bash, quick last word, do you think americans are clear eye of how they define wikileaks? >> no. carol is reflecting a sensibility that you want to be careful in charging criminally that any that received classified materials and publishes in the name of
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transparency. wikileaks is an agent of the russian federation. for national security prosecutors, this is an entirely different matter. >> can't think of three better guests. frank, carol, and jeremy bash. sincere thanks to the three of you for sticking around with us on a friday night. coming up, according to donald trump, manafort's judge says there is no collusion with russia. we'll review what the judge actually said when we continue. val, vern... i'm off to college and i'm not gonna be around... i'm worried about my parents' retirement. oh, don't worry. voya helps them to and through retirement... ...dealing with today's expenses... ...like college... ...while helping plan, invest and protect for the future. so they'll be okay... without me? um... and when we knock out this wall imagine the closet space? yes! oh hey, son.
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be prepared and keep your family safe, visit pge.com/safety. i feel badly for paul manafort. i think it is very tough time for him. his lawyers, a highly respected man and highly respected judge. there was no collusion. >> as we mentioned earlier, president trump, told reporters that federal judge t.s. ellis says there was no collusion with russia. that's not what this federal judge says. according to the court transcript, not before the court for anything having to do with
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the colluding with the russian of the election. as we reported last night, judge ellis sentenced manafort to 47 months in prison, well below the sentence guidelines that calls for a quarter century in jail. the sentence was widely viewed as leenient. manafort never took remorse for his crime. i was surprised that i did not hear you express regret for engaging in wrongful conduct. in other words, you did not say i really, really regret not doing what i knew the law requir requires. now, that does not make a difference of the judgment that i am about to make. i hope you will reflect on that and your regret will be you did not comply with the law. back with us tonight is joe
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winebanks. jill, first of all, your reaction to the sentencing here. my reaction of the sentencing is that it is not a fair sentence. it is way too light in comparison with what other defendants get. not just in white collar cases but it highlights the in equity and our system where poor defendants commit a crime of possibly stealing $100 to serve their family gets five to ten years and he got four years. it is not consistent where you read the part about him having no remorse. to have no remorse and rewarded a light sentence is inconsistent. he should have given more time in jail to reflect on it. >> what's the danger of having a
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president misquote a federal judge? >> it is the danger that we have everyday with donald trump misleading the public. he says things that people will believe because he had said them. when they are hearing what the real fact is. the judge, first of all, it was a total red hair for him to comment on this. the case had absolutely nothing to do with any conspiracy to hurt the american elections with the russians. the crimes that manafort was tried for were bank fraud, tax evasion, that had nothing to do with russia. saying anything about it not being is the same assaying you are not tried for murder. well, okay, he didn't kill anybody on fifth avenue. that's not what he's getting away with. he was tried for something completely different. once again donald trump said something that had no relationship with the facts. and facts matter. i hope the american people will pay attention to what the judge actually says.
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>> no one needs to remind someone with your resume but for our viewers, this is a lesson in the fact that federal judges follow the same vaguety as all people do. you can't pick your federal judge, they are assigned to you. i want to read this to you from axios. this was from august of 2018. it is part of a profile of this, judge. it is not the first judge, he has routinely broken in on questions. you pl jill, you get what i am getting
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at that these are what they are. >> in this case, i was upset during the trial and some of his behavior. he was extremely harsh on the prosecution. he said things like you are crying in my courtroom but everyone worse. he attacked one of the witnesses and attacked rick gates and he said something like when rick gates testified that everything that was done was within manafort knowledge that he paid close attention. he would have known how much money he was stealing. that's a devastating comment and could be what made the one juror who held out for acquittal. there was only one. everyone voted for 18 counts of convictions. maybe that's the thing that changed that one juror's mind and affected the outcome of the trial. you are right, he did make jokes about things that his wife had
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said and demean things. he said was just about the high lifestyle of manafort when in fact what they were proving was that not he wore an expensive ostrich jacket but his income reported could not passively support his lifestyle, that's how you prove criminal tax fraud. he really interfered with the trial and his behavior was terrible as was his sentencing ignoring all the guidelines and rewarding someone for not being remorseful. there was a sophisticated crime pattern here that should have been taken into account and elevated the sentencing, not to say anything about the fact that he lied after saying he would cooperate or he lied to the fbi and prosecutors and banks and so many people. and caused banks to lose money. so i think it was really an unfair pattern of sentencing.
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>> a veteran of the law putting what we just witnessed this week. jill, as always, thank you for coming on our broadcast. today's departure from the trump white house and why this one was something of a surprise. more on that when we come right back. hen we come right back i don't keep track of regrets. i never count the wrinkles. and i don't add up the years. but what i do count on, is staying happy and healthy. so, i add protein, vitamins and minerals to my diet with boost®. boost® high protein nutritional drink has 20 grams of protein, along with 26 essential vitamins and minerals your body needs. all with guaranteed great taste. the upside- i'm just getting started. boost® high protein be up for life. need a change of scenery? kayak searches hundreds of travel sites
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was unempreimpressed and never a shine to the communications director. as time wore on, it became clearer mr. sunshihine did not develop a close relationship with mr. trump. annie karni reports, shine never set up his voice mail for what it is worth. no successor has been announced. his legacy may be the end of the white house's daily press briefings. let's talk with our guests, j n jonathan allen and phillip eliot for "time" magazine. eliot, we'll start with you, was this departure with bill shine or donald trump or a combination about both.
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>> possibly with fox news. a major report from the new yorker on the proximity of the white house and fox news with the major next being bill shine. he was still receiving severance payments from fox news while he was earning money at the white house. people at the white house were aware of that. but, there is a lot of pete right now in that relationship between the trump white house and fox news, not only it is something that's potentially difficult for the trump white house but it is something that's potentially risky for fox news. i don't think any of these things happen entirely in a vacuum. there is something a little face shaving of shine moving onto the campaign side. the trump operation being too close to fox news but it does
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get him being out of that and on receiving payments from fox news. >> phil, there was the president today in what we come to know as his black crisis raincoat regardless it seems of current weather conditions, signing copies of the bible as an author would at a book signing. that's the kind of event photo opportunity that communications director would say either that's a great idea, boss or let's not have you do this. what if donald trump tries to say bill shine is the reason he has not gotten good press conference as of late. >> the press coverage reflects what the president himself is doing. today's trip could have been moments of compassion that was over shadowed by this. if the president wants better coverage, they need a better media strategy.
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you have to figure out what is the image you want to come out of this and what's the message you want to viewers on this broadcast to see. only do that. have some self-restraint and listen to your adviser. the problem is the president fancy themselves a strategist when it comes to television. the white house is much different from "the apprentice," he has not figured out what he can't tell bill shine. that's not the role of the white house's communications director. >> are the great mentioners mentioning any names to look forward to fill the slot? >> certainly all the names inside the white house that normally float around, mercedes schlapp and occasionally
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kellyanne conway's name gets floated. the president is his own communications director so it really does not matter. no communications director can tell the president to do that or not do that or control that when it happens. i myself would be scared that lightning would strike if i try to do that. >> if i think about it, was broader, wicker and restin. with that, as our viewers research those names. both of these gentlemen hawill stay with us. a democratic field so crowded already. two big names chose not to run this week. speaking of a certain former vice president, is it possible the idea of joe biden is better than the reality of joe biden
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i understand clearly i am not the first person in the race or the most well known person in the race. let me tell you at four syllables and twelve letters, john hickenlooper. we also received in his hat of michael bloomberg. >> he wrote i believe i would defeat donald trump in a general election but i am clear eyed about the difficulty of winning
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the democratic nomination in a crowded field. what this week did not bring us, a decision from joe biden. still with us, jonathan allen and phillip. >> he goes on "morning joe" today and took what would have been a simple question of the host asked three times, three different place, there is not a one word answer that would suffice, i will show the results of that back and forth and we'll talk about it on the other side. >> when you call yourself a proud capital? >> oh, i don't know. the label -- i am not sure any of them fit. >> do you consider yourself a t capita capitalist? >> again, i am a small business person, that part of system that you call capitalist, i get it.
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>> do you consider yourself a capitalist and does capitalism work? >> i don't look at myself with a label. >> phil, what's the problem i don't understand why this was so difficult for him. he is -- he is a successful businessman. but the problem here, and it speaks to the larger problem, is that so many of these candidates are afraid of the far-left energy and noise that is -- folks like congresswoman aoc can bring to the table. that there is such an energy and restlessness with the base, they're taking that as an ideological shift in the party when really it might just be the microphones are being hogged into one corner of the democratic party. and until these candidates get their sea legs and "morning joe" is a pretty good place to get that, you really are trying to figure out the electorate in real time.
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>> jonathan allen, let's talk about the former vice president joe biden because everybody else seems to be. here is a guy who would turn 80 years old. it's not ageism to point this out. he would turn 80 in his theoretical first term. here is a guy who has been in public life a long time, decades, and while a lot of adults who are arrilive and aro today feel that his past has been discussed and poured over and litigated, things like his treatment of anita hill at the clarence thomas hearings. you have another generation coming up saying in effect, hey, this is the first time i've heard of any of this from joe biden. why didn't i know this? tonight at one point during the 9:00 to 10:00 hour eastern time, i looked up fox news, msnbc, cnn were all at the same time doing some version of the joe biden's past story, and, to me, that should be a warning inside the
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biden camp. >> you're right about his age, brian. he was elected to the senate -- began serving in the senate before i was born. and i'm not that much of a spring chicken. so, you know, look, i think joe biden has been on -- for the democratic party on the right and wrong side of the pretty much every issue over the course of his career. in some ways that means that he's going to have all that examined as a -- as a presidential candidate if he gets in. you know, on the other side of the things, for most democrats he has -- to the extent he's evolved, he's evolved in the direction they would want him to evolve in. i think right now what you've seen with sherrod brown deciding not to run, with mike bloomberg deciding not to run, with hickenlooper saying he's not a capitalist. with this rush to the left, i think a lot of democratic candidates sort of afraid of the power of the left on twitter. they seem to be more afraid of twitter than they are of actual voters. i think what you've got right now is a big opening for whether it's biden or somebody else to
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run in sort of a center-left path, an obama-like path, if you will. so i think biden if he runs is going to try to do that. it may be him. it may be somebody else, but i think there is going to be plenty of opportunity for somebody that says, look, the left is, you know, going too hard-left, and maybe the, you know, republican side isn't good for democrats, and i think that's kind of the message you'll hear from biden. >> of course, as a friend of mine said, the democrats are uniquely equipped to eat their young and their old in the run up to the general election. jonathan allen, phillip elliot, can't thank you gentlemen enough for joining us and staying up late with us on a friday night at the end of yet another consequential week, as we like to say. and coming up, what made today different from every other day on the calendar? when we continue. i have a vision correction number,
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signed with a top modelling agency. the supreme court has 85-year-old justice ruth baden ginsberg who has become a cultural rock star. older women are being seen and heard in greater numbers. >> i can't do it any more, joe. >> reporter: though the oscar eluded her, 71-year-old glenn close won a golden globe. >> i'm thinking of my mom who really -- in her 80s, said i feel like i haven't accomplished anything. and it was so not right. >> reporter: what's going on? well, part of it's demographic. women are living longer. the average lifespan, 81, five years longer than men. women are also healthier and have more income than in any previous generation. many women who grew up in the '60s and '70s were passionate
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advocates for women's rights. little surprise those activists are still active. of course it's not all good news. there's robust evidence that age and sex discrimination are still serious problems. nevertheless, it was this myth busting statistic that really captured our attention, older women are happy. in fact, a study in the uk found that women between 65 and 79 were the happiest people in the country. some beauty companies seem to be getting it. more than 20 years ago when she was 43, fired isabela rosalini because she was too old. in what must have followed a few apologizes, she is now again the face of len comb. >> i am who i am. >> reporter: lynn slater is who she is, a 65-year-old sociology professor whose fashion posted garnered over 600,000 instagram
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followers. >> it's all about what i do in this moment and from here on in. >> reporter: and for many of these women, that's part of the joy of getting older. a big dose of i can make a difference stirred with a generous helping of self-acceptance inspiring women of all ages, and maybe a few men, too. cynthia mcfadden, nbc news, new york. >> and that is our broadcast for this friday. this international women's day. and for this week. thank you so very much for being here with us. have a good weekend and good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york. rachel has the night off. she will be back on monday. so happy friday, everybody. so yesterday we were treated to two related pieces of news that were both shocking in their own way. we witnessed the spectacle of the sitting president's campaign chair being sentenced to prison. the first time in u.s. history that that has ever happened. that is thing one.

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