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i will be answering more questions. >> excellent. you guys can get all these questions answered because we're here for you. thank you for joining me. you can catch me tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern for a. jom. joy. "the 11th hour" starts next. tonight after reports he was reluctant to do so, president trump declares the coronavirus pandemic a national emergency. meanwhile, he deflects blame for his part in the slow rollout of testing. quote, i don't take responsibility at all. plus the action on capitol hill. speaker pelosi cuts a late-night deal with the administration to bolster health, economic, and food security for the millions of fearful americans facing a prolonged crisis. this as markets gain back a portion of the losses in the coronavirus collapse. and we are just an hour away from a travel shutdown from most of europe. we have reports from overseas wondering if it goes far enough. all of it as "the 11th hour" gets under way on this friday
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night. good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. i'm ali develop sli in for brian williams. it is day 1,149 of the trump administration. 235 days to go until the 2020 presidential election. we end a very difficult week on the verge of a new phase in the effort to stop the spread of coronavirus as president trump declares the pandemic a national emergency and as the house reaches a deal with the white house on an economic relief package. donald trump made his declaration in a rose garden address surrounded by multiple ceos and senior administration officials. this marked the first time he'd spoken at length about the virus as a domestic crisis, as a public health crisis, as opposed to something beyond our borders that needed to be kept out. it also marked a change in tone from the oval office speech that he gave on wednesday night. >> i am officially declaring a
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national emergency. two very big words. the action i am taking will open up access to up to $50 billion of very importantly -- very important and a large amount of money for states and territories or localities. in furtherance of the order, i'm urging every state to set up emergency operation centers effective immediately. we've been working very hard on this. we've made tremendous progress. >> wall street rallied on the news of trump's declaration. the dow gaining nearly 2,000 points, almost 10%, wiping out most of yesterday's historic loss. and then less than -- a couple of hours after that, house speaker nancy pelosi announced that she'd reached a deal with the treasury secretary steve mnuchin on a coronavirus response package to provide paid leave for workers, expand food aid, and widespread free testing for the illness. it does not include something that the president had been demanding, and that is a payroll tax cut.
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tonight trump sent out this message. quote, i fully support families first coronavirus response act. i encourage all republicans and democrats to come together and vote yes. look forward to signing the final bill asap. late tonight the house leaders from both parties were in agreement about the importance of the legislation. >> we could have passed our bill yesterday, just our own bill, which was a great bill and is still a great bill because that's what we're passing today. but we thought it would be important to show the american people, assure the american people that we are willing and able to work together to get a job done for them. so we thank our republicans, those who will be supporting the bill. we appreciate the president joining us with his tweet. >> do you think speaker pelosi handled these negotiations well from her side? >> yeah, i think at the end of the day, yes. i give her credit. i give the administration credit. i give everybody involved. we have a better product today because we waited. we looked at it, and we worked
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together. >> the number of coronavirus cases in the united states is now more than 2,000 with 50 deaths. the white house has been taking continued fire over the nation's slow rate of coronavirus testing. this morning new york's first coronavirus drive-through testing center opened in new rochelle, the westchester county town with the nation's largest cluster of covid-19 cases. at the white house, trump touted efforts to expand such tests while also fielding questions about his role in the initial response to the outbreak. >> we've been in discussions with pharmacies and retailers to make drive-thru tests available. the goal is for individuals to be able to drive up and be swabbed without having to leave your car. >> dr. fauci said earlier this week that the lag in testing was, in fact, a failing. do you take responsibility for that? >> yeah. no, i don't take responsibility at all. >> that was then followed by
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this question on trump's decision to shrink the white house national security staff and get rid of an office to address global pandemics. >> you said that you don't take responsibility, but you did disband the white house pandemic office and officials that were working in that office left this administration abruptly. so what responsibility do you take to that, and the officials that worked in that office said that the white house lost valuable time because that office was disbanded. what do you make of that? >> well, i just think it's a nasty question. when you say me, i didn't do it. we have a group of people. i could ask perhaps my administration, but i could perhaps ask tony about that because i don't know anything about it. you say we did that. i don't know anything about it. >> now, that would seem to contradict what trump said nearly a month ago when he was asked about cuts to federal agencies that were tasked with responding to public health crises. >> some of the people we cut, they haven't been used for many, many years, and if we ever need
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them, we can get them very quickly. and rather than spending the money -- and i'm a business person. i don't like having thousands of people around when you don't need them. when we need them, we can get them back very quickly. >> hopefully. meanwhile "the washington post" reports a second person who visited president trump's private mar-a-lago estate last weekend has tested positive for coronavirus. the first to test positive was the press secretary to the brazilian president, who was focused with trump at mar-a-lago on saturday. today was asked about that interaction. >> the person you were standing next to, whether you know who he is or not, tested positive for coronavirus. dr. fauci said this morning if you stand next to somebody who tested positive, you should self-isolate and get a test. you say your white house doctor is telling you something different. who should americans listen to? and my second question -- >> i think they have to listen to their doctors, and i think they shouldn't be jumping to get the test unless it's necessary.
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somebody said there's a picture of somebody taking a picture with me, but i haven't seen it. but i -- >> dr. fauci said you might have it even if you don't have symptoms. are you being selfish by not getting -- >> i didn't say i wasn't going to be tested. >> are you going to be? >> most likely, yeah. not for that reason, but because i think i will do it anyway. >> will you let us know your results? >> we're working out a schedule. >> all right. today miami mayor frances suarez announced that he too has tested positive for covid-19 after meeting with that same brazilian delegation at mar-a-lago this weekend. suarez is now currently quarantined at home. the coronavirus is affecting the political life of the nation in other ways as well. louisiana is the first state to postpone its presidential primaries because of the coronavirus outbreak. it will push back its presidential nominating contest to june 20th from the original date of april 4th. election officials in arizona, illinois, and ohio, all of which hold primaries this tuesday, issued a statement today saying the polls will be open, and they
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are taking precautions to protect voters. and in wyoming, its democratic party canceled the in-person portion of its upcoming caucus. one universal sign that the virus has upended the daily life of the nation, the millions of kids who will be out of school as the week begins on monday. we'll get to our leadoff discussion in just a moment, but first i'm joined from capitol hill by congresswoman kim sharaiier, a member of the house education and labor committees. congresswoman, thank you for being with us this evening. >> thank you, ali. it's going to be here. >> a number of things have developed today. the first thing i want to ask you about is the president's declaration of an emergency, an actual emergency with respect to this. do you think the tone coming from the white house has changed to your satisfaction? >> well, first of all, let me just say that this was the first time i really got the impression that our president understood the gravity of the situation we're in, and i felt that he was
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moving us forward. i'm very happy that we have this now as a national emergency. our state has needed this for a couple of weeks. it will open up resources so that we have money to help with testing, with people, with being able to even set up testing areas that are outside of hospitals. and it will relax some of the regulations that have really kind of tied our hands behind our backs. >> all right. and then the other thing that's happened is where you are, at congress, where there has been agreement that speaker pelosi was working with the treasury secretary, mnuchin, which is interesting because they seem to have been having a parallel track while the president still wasn't coming to terms with this. they came to an arrangement. it was then worked out with republican leadership. that's a separate set of initiatives. tell me how that is going to help americans. >> well, this is so important. first i just want to say it is really nice to see that we can come together, democrats, republicans, and our president and get things done on behalf of the american people. this is so important.
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diseases spread, and they spread quickly, and we're seeing that this one spreads even before people have symptoms. and so we're really asking extraordinary things from our citizens. we're asking people to stay home from work when they might normally not. we're asking them to quarantine for 14 days after exposure. we're asking them to have their children at home and closing schools. and if we're going to make those asks, we need to make sure that we give people the resources to do it, that we have extended sick leave, that we have paid family leave. and even that we make the testing free, which was my part of this bill. it is so important that there's really no barriers to doing the right thing to protect our communities. >> congresswoman, for all the questions you get as a member of congress, you probably get more from people about the fact that you're a doctor. you're a pediatrician. and i have to say before i say good-bye to you, i want to ask you as a doctor, what do you think we should all be thinking and doing? >> well, i think this really goes back to the basics. we live in this era of
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everything fancy and new and technology, and really this comes down to what i do in my clinic every day. you know, kids are germy, and i touch a lot of germs. but if you wash your hands, if you don't touch your face, if you cover your coughs and your sneezes with the inside of your elbow, that will go a long way. and of course if you are ill, you should stay home. there is absolutely no sense in exposing other people and making this pandemic even worse than it already is. >> well, your bill goes some distance to allowing some americans for whom that was not an option, missing work and staying home, to becoming a reality. congresswoman, thank you for your time. thank you to those of you in congress who came together to get this bill done. here for our leadoff discussion on a friday night, annie karni, jonathan allen, and frank figliuzzi, former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence and an msnbc national security analyst. welcome to all of you.
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annie, i'm going to start with you. the concept this is a national emergency, i've been reminding people we've had a national emergency declared about the stuff on the southern border that a lot of americans don't think is actually a national emergency. but the president had real reluctance to declaring this a national emergency. what tipped the scales? was it the oval office address that led to a market meltdown? >> yes. well, today's press conference in the rose garden was kind of seen as an opportunity for him to do a do-over of the oval office address that was widely seen and the market reacted to as a giant failure of leadership. so his aides came to him and said, let's try something else. so he was convinced to do this because the oval office address didn't have the impact that he expected it to. overall we've seen the president kind of moving slowly to a full realization that this is not just something that needs to be contained from the outside and to closing the borders, but there is something that is already inside of our country, and this was the first time he
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really addressed the situation, the health crisis that's going on within our borders. it has taken him a long time to get there, and he started from a place of kind of hoping it would just go away, wishful thinking that it would be gone by april. now he seems to understand that that is not the case. >> john, i'm not sure i'd call it full-throated and robust, but compared to what happened in the oval office the other day, it was quite a development. again, the president continues to feel like a bit of a reluctant participant in this whole thing. he seems to struggle with his written words that he reads on the whole thing. he surrounded himself with a bunch of drceos, but it did sena signal to the world that i've got some other people involved in this thing. i now understand that the measurement is not the stock market. it is something else, and i need to take this seriously. how convinced are you that we are now on the right track? >> well, he's at least now listening to vice president mike pence and treasury secretary mnuchin and speaker pelosi and
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tony fauci at the institute on allergies and infectious diseases. that is to say he's listening to the people who have been telling him that this is a crisis that he needs to address, that it's one that needs a federal response, that it's one that needs money, that it's one that needs money not only to businesses but to protect the american people not only on a health level but also on an economic scale, that people need, you know, family and medical leave, that states are going to need waivers to be able to get people who, you know, have work requirements for food stamp benefits to be able to get those. so the president is obviously taking this seriously at a very different level than he was before, and what basically got -- what happened over the course of the last couple days is his political standing got taken out from underneath him by mnuchin and pelosi who negotiated a deal. we saw yesterday mcconnell and mccarthy bashing pelosi, and then within a matter of a couple of hours, they were praising her for working with mnuchin.
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so once the deal got struck, they moved forward on that, and the president declared a national emergency, and everybody was holding hands today. >> it is kind of amazing because it's a story that was sort of buried on the side. somebody even asked me last night why are you guys not covering the negotiations going on at congress? but nancy pelosi and steve mnuchin got together. they did something. they led the two parties forward, and we actually have progress on this. frank, you're the only one on this panel who has executive experience. you ran things for people. the thing that struck me -- and i wasn't looking for things to go wrong today because i really wanted this to be successful. the president, when asked, did say i don't take responsibility for anything. >> let's talk about that from a leadership perspective because i do look at this not only through a national security lens but through crisis management and leadership. thus far what we've seen from him is violating most of the basic tenets of crisis management rules. number one, this isn't rocket science. you need to tell people, i'm
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always going to tell you the truth even when it's unpleasant. number two, i'm going to have to make some hard decisions and i need everybody to pull together and implement them. number three, i don't have all the answers but i'm going to rely on experts to help shape our decision-making. we've seen almost none of that until a sign of bright sunlight today when he changed his metric for success, as you said, from how wall street is doing to how people's health is doing and how we contain and mitigate the virus. so we've seen some signs of development. we should applaud a small victory in this legislation passing. that's the right thing to happen. but we're still very concerned from a leadership perspective that he seems unable to pull the trigger and admit, i'm accountable. i own this. and when you don't do that as a leader, you don't establish credibility. >> it felt a little like trying to find somebody to throw under the bus. he was sort of casting about. he looked at anthony fauci and said, what do you know about this? one of the interesting things here is unlike the financial crisis of 2008-2009, which was a
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financial crisis that could be helped with financial tools, this is a public health crisis, today seemed the first time he was taking that seriously, that i got to fix this. the mavrkets will follow if i d this. >> he seems to have finally figured out if you solve for the health part of this, the economy will follow. he had this backwards from the start. >> annie karni, one of the things that people who have been reaching out to us and talking to us are worried about is the way life is changing and the way it will change, right? the most -- the thing that shakes people the most is they don't know what it looks like. their kids are staying home from school. kids are coming back from college. events are closed. people are overstocking on food and goods. the president has not gotten to that point yet. he is not coming out and saying, we will be together, we will figure this out. the guidelines are not coming out yet from the president or the administration about what sort of events to cancel and what sort of events to hold. we're not there yet. >> no. i mean he's really left those
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kind of decisions to the states. governors have been deciding to shut their schools, not with federal guidelines. and he was last to pull down his campaign rallies. the trump campaign has postponed all gatherings, but they were kind of slower to do it, and they were maintaining an "everything is business as usual" posture like until a few days ago, until yesterday did they really announce all campaign rallies are off the books for now. just as recently as 48 hours ago, the president blurted out that he was hoping to still hold a rally in florida, one that hasn't yet been announced at the end of this month. so he has been slow to realize that, you know, he thrives on crowds. this is what energized his base. he's very aware this is a re-election year, and he's very frustrated that this is -- understanding this could really hurt him electorally. so he's been not leading the charge on putting -- pulling
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down group gatherings certainly. and for instance the trump campaign said they're cleaning their offices and told people not to come to work until tuesday. that's not a very long time compared to a lot of indefinite work stoppages that people have. >> frank, every president gets challenged by something. sometimes it's national security. sometimes it's mass shootings. sometimes in the 9/11. sometimes it's a recession. this has actually been this president's biggest opportunity to step up, and there's been a very, very delayed reaction, which makes those of you who are involved in national security -- gives you some pause. >> well, those of us in national security have had pause for a couple of years now because of his decision-making in those direct fields of national security. but what we're seeing appears to be an inability to make the tough leadership decisions. let's just talk about modeling behavior. he's vacillating on whether to get a test or not. he needs to get a test. he's vacillating on having rallies or not. he should cancel rallies if
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we're canceling basketball games. so we're not seeing the leadership being modeleds. from a national security perspective, we're beginning to see police departments, fire departments unable to staff shifts because people are coming down with covid-19. troops are being affected. it's a national security issue. the question for this president, can he be commander in chief during a health care crisis that affects security? >> jon allen, the united states senate is the place where bills go to die. any problem with this bill that passed tonight through the senate? >> i'd be shocked after president trump said that he's 100% behind it and that it should pass asap if there is any problem there. obviously senators have the ability when they want to to be thorns in the side of progress or process. the senate has left town, but usually they're able to get something done by unanimous consent if they need to pretty quickly. >> thanks to the three of you
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for helping us kick off this friday night. coming up, drive-thru testing lines and hospital bed shortages. we're going to talk to a doctor who worked in both the obama and trump administrations as a cabinet secretary about what is going to happen next. and later, we're just mere moments away from the european travel restrictions going into effect. we'll explain what that means both here and across the atlantic. "the 11th hour" just getting started on a friday night. [sfx: doorbell] hello, i saw you move in, and i wanted to welcome you to the neighborhood with some homemade biscuits!
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we want to make sure that those who need a test can get a test very safely, quickly, and conveniently, but we don't want people to take a test if -- if
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we feel that they shouldn't be doing it. and we don't want everyone running out and taking it. only if you have certain symptoms. >> testing is still a major -- probably the major obstacle to containing the coronavirus. state and local officials are taking their own measures to fill the gap including some drive-through testing stations like one that opened in new rochelle, new york, today. >> i spoke with the vice president today, and i spoke with the president, and they are authorizing new york state to do the testing and allowing our labs to do the test and allowing the state health department to set up the protocol. >> here with us tonight, dr. david shulkin. he served as the ninth secretary of veteran affairs understand the current president before leading the agency. he served as the undersecretary of health, supervising its nationwide health care service for veterans. he also served in medical leadership roles with multiple
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universities. he's the author of a book "it shouldn't be this hard to serve your country." thank you for being with us again. you are a medical doctor. i never know what to call you. you're a former cabinet secretary, you're a medical doctor and you ran a hospital group. this is all stuff that fits into your world. there is something that we're discussing called the infection curve, i believe it's called. it's the idea that if we did nothing, the infections could peak, and they will exceed the dotted line that goes horizontally through that, which is our capability, our health care capability. if we do certain things, the same number of people might get sick, but it will be within the capabilities of our health care system. tell me a little about this. >> well, that's right. just following the even deem logic data, the number of cases is going to double every six days. if you just follow the math and again without intervention, we would overcome the supply of hospital beds in the united states needed by about mid-may.
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so we certainly don't want to see that happen. we want to do everything we can to assure that as few people get infected and that we use our resources as wiedssely as possi. >> just to play that out for people who are not worried about this, when we exceed our available hospital beds and dr. irwin redlener said we may by 70,000 or 100,000 beds, that means people don't get the care they otherwise would in a hospital, and people who have nothing to do with covid-19 but need a hospital bed may not find one available because hospitals are full. >> well, this infection is clearly affecting lots of people in the way that they get their health care. hospital leaders across the country are doing remarkable jobs of putting together emergency preparedness plans, including delaying of elective surgeries, keeping people that normally would be in the hospital, sending them home, so they can make the scarce resources needed available. and we are seeing unfortunately some people delaying necessary
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care, like chemotherapy and other treatments because they're concerned about going into hospitals now. so this is very important, the public health issues that we're facing right now are probably unprecedented for many people. >> let's examine that for a second. if you're getting chemotherapy, you're immunosuppressed. so there are a whole bunch of people who say, i'm young. this doesn't seem to be killing a lot of people. i'm not going to necessarily take the precautions necessary. but if you're a carrier, you could end up killing people. >> i think that's right. i think we're seeing the interconnectedness of our societies, how one person really does impact another person. and you can't escape that. and so if you're not rational, if you're not doing the right things as an individual, you can have a big impact not only on somebody else but on the entire community. >> one point you and i made -- you made to me the last time we talked is that there is a silver lining here. the department of veterans
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affairs is a very capable organization that actually has a lot of capacity. >> yeah. the department of veteran affairs is the largest health care system in the country. it employs the most nurses, doctors, has 1,000 negative pressure rooms, which is the type of room that we need to treat these infections safely, and has the ability under title 38 should a national emergency be declared like the president has to be able to actually reach out and work with the private sector and the civilian community. so what we need to see now is more public/private partnerships, the type the president was demonstrating today in the rose garden. we need to engage our private sector to be able to help work, and we need the federal government to help contribute -- >> so i had some people tweeting me saying, isn't this a private takeover to profit off of coronavirus? but actually the private sector brings real capacity that it would take a while for government to build. >> it brings expertise. it can move quickly, and in
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times of crisis, we see the american people coming together. we actually had republicans and democrats today agreeing on the right thing. so i'm hopeful this is a time for our country to pull together, to put aside all of the pettiness that we've seen for so many years and actually do the right thing to keep the american people secure. >> david shulkin, good to see you again. thank you for joining us. david shulkin, former secretary of veteran affairs understand the trump administration. coming up, what the trump administration learned about combating the coronavirus through secondhand recommendations from a facebook group. more on that when "the 11th hour" continues. at fidelity, we can help you build a clear plan for retirement to help cover the essentials, as well as all the things you want to do. because when you have a retirement partner who gives you clarity at every step, there's nothing to stop you from moving forward.
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it's almost inevitable, i think, that the vast majority if not all schools in all states will close. those that haven't should be preparing to take those steps. we have to think about families, and we really need employers to think about letting parents stay home to care for those kids. and then finally the issue of food is a really big one. we have about 30 million children around the united states who rely on schools to get their food. but we can think about this differently. think of schools not just as school buildings but as food distribution centers. >> that was former education secretary arne duncan speaking about the very real ripple effect of the coronavirus on some of the most vulnerable americans. today's decision to declare the virus a national emergency will free up tens of billions of dollars in federal emergency management agency funds to soften the blows in communities across the country. however, as politico reported
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this week, president trump was reluctant to declare a national emergency in part for this reason. quote, trump's aides will not give the president a final verdict until jared kushner, trump's son-in-law and senior adviser, talks to relevant parties and presents his findings to the president. today we learned that kushner reached out to his brother's wife's father, who is a doctor, and who subsequently took the issue to a facebook group. here with us, aknee that kumar, white house correspondent and associate editor for politico. anybody who is following jared kushner's deal of the century in the middle east, not sure that jared kushner should be running this response. but this seems to be a habit of the president's. give it to jared kushner. jared kushner, when he needed to figure out about china, googled and found peter navarro, who is not really an economist, to run their china policy. this is not the first time this has happened with jared kushner. >> no. remember, jared kushner is a senior adviser to the president, which means he can have his hands in anything and everything, and he has been
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there and is there when the president needs some advice and assistance and people to the go out there and talk to people. i mean that is one of the things that jared kushner does, is he talks to a lot of people, a lot of stakeholders on various issues that he's been put in charge of. i've had a number of people this week who tell me that he is in charge. you mention that facebook post of his brother's father-in-law -- his brother's father-in-law also said, i know the person who's in charge of this at the white house. so i mean the president very much relies on him. >> but this meth anothod has go this white house into trouble in the past, and at some point we do have a nation full of public health experts who the president can be relying on and today seemed so be some indication that pressure had built on the president, that he had to go forward and deliver a press conference that was based on public health evidence rather than whatever he did in the oval office when you and i last talked on wednesday night. >> earlier this week we were
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hearing that the president, as you indicated, would not do this emergency declaration. but it was very clear on wednesday after that address was, you know, criticized that it didn't go far enough, that he, you know, said inaccurate information, that he needed something new. he needed to take a new tact, and he needed to be much more forceful. you know, he had people advising him to take some bold action, and i think that he was looking at the markets, looking at what people were saying and really felt like he needed to do that. >> the president said in response to a ul and of direct questions today, that he doesn't take responsibility for changes that were made at the white house with respect to a national security group that looked into pandemics. he does in his speeches, both in the oval office on wednesday night and this afternoon at the rose garden, he does take some credit. he does believe that both the early closing of entry to some people around the world and then this new measure that goes into effect in half an hour, barring
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some people from europe from coming over -- he does think that's a big deal. public health experts don't seem to line up on that. >> yeah, you're exactly right. there are a lot of people saying particularly the thing about europe today, that that's just come too late. it's just too late for that to be effective. also even though he didn't mention this on wednesday as you and i both know, there are a lot of exceptions to that. so some people can't come into this country, but some people can from the very same places. so that's why people are saying, you know, this isn't effective, and he needed to take another action, and we saw that today. >> anita, does it look like the response -- and i want to remind people we first heard about this in december. we first had the first case was reported at the end of january. but this really became big in the last month or so. it has been a month of knowing coronavirus is around and a foot-dragging, reluctant response from the white house. wednesday's oval office remarks looked like they were almost forced from the president. he didn't seem to be able to deliver it comfortably.
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do you think something has changed today? have we changed in our response to this in a way that might be meaningful in the effort to fight coronavirus? >> i do think that there was a realization by the president that he needed to do more. a lot of people are telling him that. i mean just by the fact that, i mean, america is shutting down. schools and businesses, his own campaign rallies, and there was a feeling that you need to do something and get out there and do something. now, remember the president is very focused on the economy, and so he's been watching the stock market all week, for the last few weeks, and he really felt like that he needed to do something. remember, it wasn't doing well on wednesday after that address. so, you know, he wanted to take something on, and we immediately saw the stock market rebound at least initially. so there is a feeling that something has changed. now, we need to see the follow-through on that, right? are all those things that he said he was going to do today, are they going to happen? where is that money going to be spent? how is it going to be spent? there's still a lot of testing that needs to be done.
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♪love like yours will surely come my way♪ ♪ among the many unknowns about covid-19, what exactly are the risks to pregnant women? are they more vulnerable to getting the virus? if infected, are they likely to experience more severe symptoms, and is there a threat of transmission to the fetus? so far studies suggest expectant mothers are not more vulnerable to severe symptoms than the general public. but with us to talk about it is a doctor who served as a senior aide to valerie jarrett in the obama white house advising on health reform, financial regulatory reform and economic recovery issues. she's also a practicing primary care internist at johns hopkins and a non-resident fellow at the brooking institution. good to see you again. thank you for joining me. there are obviously all sorts of
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groups we're talking about who feel and may actually be more vulnerable than the general population because of coronavirus. what do we know about pregnant women. >> right. so as you mentioned, there is first of all, ali, there is not a lot of information just because this is, again, a novel virus. so what we do know, and a lot of it is kind of emerging as we're getting more and more data from all of the countries starting with china, is that there's no greater risk for getting the virus. now, a different question, though, is that if you are pregnant and you do get infected with covid-19, then what does that mean for your baby, which i think is probably what every pregnant woman in the country is wondering. and we do know again very limited data, so it's hard to make generalizations. but we do know that for the cases, for example, nine cases in china that have been incredibly kind of detailed in the lancet journal, we do know those women presented in their
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third trimester, contracted the virus in their third trimester, and all had a form of pneumonia that we think played some role in fetal distress, leading to c-sections and ultimately kind of all the babies did fine by the way. nine births. but ultimately led to kind of what we could call kind of complications in the delivery. so that's real. >> unlike the flu where in fants and children, young people who do not have well-developed immune systems tend to be more susceptible, that has so far not borne out in covid-19. >> right. this is kind of -- i hate to say there's something that's always kind of interesting about these novel viruses or if you want to call it the silver lining. in that sense, it's that children, not only infants, newborns, all the way up to at least age 14 have incredible kind of resilience and are just not getting infected. having said that, again, there are children that have been
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infected. all of them with the exception of one case have all recovered fully. so we're trying to understand what is it about children that confers some sort of protection, again, mostly in their lungs and pulmonary systems. >> what would you recommend because, again, the one thing i'm not clear on and i've been reporting on this for a month and probably for two weeks nonstop -- at what point, particularly if you're pregnant because you go through different ways in how you feel. at what point are you supposed to say to somebody when you're pregnant, i think i might have a problem here and i need to get checked out? >> yeah, absolutely. trust me, i'm a mom, and there's no kind of time of more heightened anxiety. >> right. >> than when you think something is wrong, and if you don't do something, you can harm your baby. so i fully -- actually fully recommend that an incredible low threshold to reach out to your o.b.'s office. the american college of on st
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obstetrics and gynecology literally is providing almost daily guidance on what they should be doing. i think the next natural question is when do you need to worry about presenting to the office or kind of going to the doctor in person, and what do you do when you get to the doctor? and i think every one of your experts tonight have said it. you know, be sensible. use precautions. but if you're pregnant and something doesn't feel right, speak up early. but know, ali, that we do not think you're at higher risk for getting the virus. so it's really a matter of do you think you actually have covid-19, and should you be getting tested? and that's a question a lot of pregnant women will be asking. >> there's just a lot of anxiety out there for people about what this is going to do to them and how to think about it and what to measure and what to think about. you get a little cough or you sneeze a couple times and everybody is worried about it. there are heightened anxieties all around. thank you for joining me. for more answers to your coronavirus questions our
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we're just minutes away from new travel restrictions going into effect with most countries in europe for the next 30 days. however, there are multiple exceptions, most notably for u.s. citizens and lawful permanent residents and their families who can come to america as they please. italy's nationwide lockdown continues as the death toll climbed above 1,000, growing by 250 in a 24-hour period. in rome, nbc news foreign correspondent matt bradley reports on the situation there. >> reporter: yeah, ali, that travel ban tonight is going to strike a lot of europeans as deeply unfair, especially on the diplomatic and political level, but also just ordinary people,
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especially because of that double standard. american citizens in europe will be allowed to travel back to the states. it's not very scientific considering that ameri like me, like my colleagues, we're just as capable of carrying the virus back to the united states. so a good-faith effort would exclude american citizens abroad. this kind of will strike a lot of people here, again, especially on the political level, as really just kind of settling political or diplomatic scores rather than a real effort to try to prevent the virus from reaching the u.s., where it already is. and for italians, they understand very well that having any amount of virus in a country could also cause it to mushroom out regardless of who enters or exits that country. here in italy, there were very few cases only a couple of weeks ago. there wasn't really a coronavirus problem, and it just ballooned up into a major issue, and now italy has the highest number of caseloads and deaths
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from the coronavirus after china. we just saw today 25% increase in the number of deaths. that was an unprecedented figure, and this despite an unprecedented nationwide lockdown that's seen this country of 60 million people being told to stay indoors. that's what's turned rome around me on a friday night into a ghost town. ali? >> matt bradley for us in rome. now over to one of the countries not yet affected by the ban, the united kingdom. keir simmons reports from the tarmac at heathrow airport. >> reporter: ali, president trump's travel ban not having any visible effect here at europe's busiest airport, heathrow in london. but it will affect european citizens from 26 countries. they will not be able to travel to the u.s. for 30 days, and the president today suggesting that the uk here could be added to that list, to that travel ban list as infections here rise.
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the president also trying to clear up some confusion. there has been a lot of confusion saying that u.s. citizens heading back to the united states will be tested and will be expected to self-isolate. we spoke to one california couple who rushed from portugal fearing that they would not be able to get home. they've been here in london, holed up in a hotel on hold with their airline, expecting now to travel back to the united states tomorrow. but they don't know what to expect. and, again, the issue is that on top of the fear and concern about coronavirus, many americans who were here in europe for a dream vacation now facing a nightmare of confusion and concern. many just wanting to get home. ali? >> keir simmons at heathrow airport in london. thank you. coming up, an important lesson from today's white house press conference on the coronavirus pandemic and a reminder to do as they say, not as they do. at leaf blowers.
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their own headlines. but during this pandemic, we've heard it over and over and over again along with the advice of frequent hand-washing and not touching your face. health experts have been clear. hand-shaking should be avoided. but today in the rose garden, it was a case of do as we say, not as we do. >> we must take all precautions and be responsible for the actions that we take. appreciate it very much. thank you, brian. thank you, please. >> so wash your hands. use common sense. >> wash your hands as often as you possibly can. >> thank you very much. great job. thank you very much. thank you very much. >> you want to wash your hands. you want to keep distance from people. >> great job. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you, mr. president. >> we want to prevent the spread and transmission of the disease. >> practice that. >> okay. i like that. a lot of it's common sense. >> the president is right about one thing. a lot of is common sense.
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that's our broadcast for tonight. brian will be back on monday. you can join me tomorrow morning at 8:00 a.m. eastern on msnbc. thank you for being with us and good night from nbc news headquarters in new york. in the year 1996, i was 23 years old. go ahead, do the math. yes, i'm that old. i'm like dirt. but in 1996, i was 23 years old and honestly kind of a mess, but i did have a real mission in life. i was working as an aids activist, and i had been for the previous, like, six years or so. six or seven years or so. when you're 23, that's a pretty big chunk of your life. and in 1996, i went to the international aids conference that year. it was in a different city every year. that year was in vancouver, and i remember it like it was


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