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of the aisle. democratic governor, jared polis. tell us why you made this 3.2 million americans who filed decision. >> you know, this kind of for unemployment last week decision is one of the toughest that anybody has to make, you alone. a staggering report, record know, livelihoods are at stake, living paycheck to paycheck. shattering figure. i'm glad we have some certainty countless health care workers, first responders and others around that with the bill, fighting the frontlines of the families getting 1200 or 2400 crisis are at great personal for a couple, more if they have risk. the american people deserve a kids. this is a big deal. but it shortens the need for the measures, the stronger the government wide visionary evidence based response to measures are, it saves lives at the end of the day, giving us address these threats to their lives and their livelihood and time to build beds, get the ventilators we need to help save they need it now. again, i acknowledge the lives. >> was that bill just voted on bipartisanship on which we bring in congress and all that aid this legislation to the floor. coming to individuals, to late wednesday night as the businesses, is that what made leader acknowledged, the senate you willing to change your mind on the stay at home order? unanimously passed legislation just a couple days ago you said it wouldn't be good for colorado. which transformed in our view >> we had several large counties since you acknowledge leader effected. the decision we made based on mcconnell, i will acknowledge, data, it was time to go statewide, the spread wasn't
limited to counties that had they transformed a republican those bans in our state. corporate focus bill into a we closed down the bars and restaurants about a week ago, democratic workers first focus. feels like an eternity ago, a and we salute our chairs working week and two days, already seeing the social distancing in a bipartisan way, bi cam ral impact. but the clarity of message that's needed is stay home unless absolutely necessary. we didn't want that to get way, we are able to expand convoluted by having different unemployment insurance, defeated restrictions in place in different areas. attempts on the senate side to the message for anyone across the country, whether you're call that the $600 per week mayor, governor, president added benefits that would orders it or not, stay home provide essential relief to the unless it is critical that you record number of americans go out for a reason like shopping or to a critical losing their jobs and i salute workplace or to get the exercise you need to get by. chairman richie neil and bobby scott for work they did on this. >> what message did you get from this is work of ways and means the president last night, you committee. and successfully achieve full and other governors did have a direct payments for workers, call with him. this is so important, ensuring >> there's not a lot of message working class american families we get from that. i mean, he really is the same will be eligible to receive as with us that he is during his much as $3400 for a family of somewhat rambling press four. i thank mr. neil and madam chair of the financial services conferences, sometimes says
committee, maxine waters, both things that contradict one another. of them had bigger proposals, even when we're on the calls, opportunity for me as governor but nonetheless, advocating for to elevate questions, i had all of this. several conversations with the by the way, i would suggest that vice president ahead of the cdc, instead of saying it will take a those are helpful, but you know, few weeks for checks to get we're not getting anything there that the administration meaningful from what the president is saying in the private meetings with governors electronically transfer those any more than the public ones. direct payments immediately. he's consistent. we ensured in the bill -- >> can you elaborate on that? vice president pence is the head >> speaker pelosi sharing her of the task force. how is he to work with? remarks just before the vote >> he has been responsive whenever you need to talk to takes place, a vote, individuals him. the federal government has not helped us as much as we would and businesses, large and small, as well as states and hospital like. we have basically states on their own. systems are anxiously awaiting the problem which president trump hit on yesterday. as the economic toll the >> what do you mean? coronavirus has caused the >> yes, states are competing country has been debilitating. when we're purchasing things, no i want to bring in president of question that's happening. the university of california and and that we are trying to buy former secretary of homeland the personal protection security, janet napolitano. equipment we need, ventilators she was also previously the we need. many of the other buyers out governor of the state of there are other states. arizona. thank you so much for joining me. i would love to see more order i want to start with the to this, but meantime, i'm stimulus bill. what's your thought of it?
>> well, i think it's a good looking for colorado residents first. i know others are doing the best start and i'm so glad it passed for their state. >> when the president is on the unanimously in the senate and is call with governors or when you're speaking to the head of headed toward bipartisan passage the cdc or vice president pence, in the house. i think even that kind of what more can you tell us about activity is a great symbol to the narrative we heard over the the american people that in a last few days from the time of crisis, we can and president, larry kudlow, that he would like to reopen the should come together. as president of the university country, specifically by easter, of california and we run large get things going again. i know that's a headline that academic medical centers, quite a few ceos want to hear, teaching hospitals as well as but privately is that really what's going on behind the large student body, we're looking forward to the relief in scenes? >> i don't think it is a the bill, particularly for our headline ceos want to hear, we hospitals which are already full all want to return to normalcy and preparing for a surge of as soon as we can. i think ceos are set whenever we patients. >> you led dhs during the h1n1 reopen. when you live paycheck to paycheck, you need your hourly flu. as you look at what's going on job back sooner than later. now, lessons learned during your we're hopeful the sooner the tenure of that pandemic, are better. unlikely to occur by easter, a they being applied today? >> you know, the number one
wonderful, laudable goal. lesson we learned during h1n1 maybe if we shut down enough, we was to let science guide our can get through it quicker. it is driven by science, data, actions and to communicate we need to make the most informed decision we can at every moment in time. repeatedly and clearly with the >> you did somethi issued new g american people about what they could do to help themselves, how the police interface, law simple lessons about how to enforcement interface with the properly wash your hands and public. help us understand what that is cough into your arm. and what do other states need to those simple things turned out do to protect front line to be remarkably effective. responders? >> it is critical, when you talk but again, it was making our about health care workers, child decisions based on the science, care workers that are taking the data, the evidence, and then care of kids so we have health care workers, first responders. we have been very proactive, communicating so clearly with the american people. trying to get guidelines out for how we can follow these new >> well, it's also not just protocols. about reaction, it is about this is a new world, stephanie. we're developing it as we go. preparedness. this week, politico reported we want to be sure people have during president trump's tenure the ability to maximum extent to in 2017 dhs stopped updating earn a living, operate, produce something you know better than consistent with public health us, the annual models of the guidelines, and also we want
first responders to be safe. havoc pandemics. the enemy here is not people could you help us understand as former dhs secretary, what have being able to do their job well, the enemy is the proximity of we lost by not having that data, those models? >> well, we've lost time because people. we are figuring new ways to do things where people can still now they have to scurry to get critical work done, but update the models because all simply be further apart from one another when they do it to reduce risk of spread. government agencies, you know, rely on that pandemic report for >> governor, thank you for joining me this afternoon. their own planning purposes and i appreciate it. >> thank you, stephanie. so now we're behind the 8 ball. when we come back, doctors and i think as we experienced and nurses around the world are on the front lines, battling the the coronavirus, we've seen what pandemic. hospitals, they're running short the effects of being behind the on resources. we'll speak with one medical 8 ball are. professional, pleading for more for example, the lack of testing supplies. right now, speaker of the house nancy pelosi is speaking before officially enrolling the and lack of supply chain to carry out tests, to have the coronavirus recovery act bill that just passed in the house by necessary cotton swabs and voice vote just 15 minutes ago. after this, the bill will go to reagents and mechanisms to carry the president's desk for final signature.
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charge of that state, new york democratic governor andrew cuomo. governor, you have been saying for days ventilators are what welcome back. you need most, asking the doctors and nurses are on the president for 30,000. front lines as they take on this he said you don't need that pandemic, putting themselves and many, but we heard in the last their families at risk of being few minutes that gm is going to infected with coronavirus. be producing some. is that going to solve the dr. michelle ow joins us. shortage? >> if we get 30,000, stephanie, she spoke about the shortage of it would. supplies at her hospital with the new york times saying this. look, the president says he you have trusted the system your doesn't think. whole life to keep your safe. nobody knows what's going to you keep waiting for the system happen, right? i rely on the data, i rely on to kick in, but you realize no one is coming to save us. the science, i rely on the that's a heavy statement. projections, i listen to dr. joining us now, dr. michelle fauci. that's the way you run government. it is not i hope, i hope we lau. dr. lau, tell us more about this. >> yeah. so we haveospital, and the don't need any ventilators and it ends tomorrow, but that's irrelevant. you look at the projections, we shortage of ppe is not just could need 140,000 hospital something we're seeing at any beds, we have 53,000, could need hospital system or my state. 40,000 icu beds which are beds is this a national and indeed a
global problem. with venltilators, we have 3,00. it is striking the entire world prepare for the worst, hope for at once. so unless we really ramp up the the best. supply, we will have this by numerical projections, that's problem and we will continue what we need. having issues with health care >> the congressional economic workers exposing each other, bill two days ago, you said it wasn't going to help you, it is exposing our patients and exposing our families. terrible. it is about to get passed >> do we run the risk that moments from now, it is going to health care workers such as give quite a bit of money to yourself might stop coming to your state, your hospitals. have you changed your feelings work because of these health risks? >> i can only speak for myself on it? and my colleagues. i think that the medical >> no. i said it was terrible in one profession is very committed to the job we do. regard. it is good that it gives this is what we trained for. this is why we're here. unemployment insurance, it gives we are here to take care of money to hospitals, money to patients. however, we do have a lot of anxiety about our ppe small businesses, et cetera. it does very little for running out because if we start to get sick, who is going to government entities, state governments, local governments. take care of everyone else? i want to show you something you take a state government like just to give you a sense of how mine, our revenue is down, 10 to short we are on ppe. $15 billion because the economy i'm going to stand up for a is stopped. second. don't panic. i have clipped to my belt a the bill gives us $5 billion brown paper bag. that is my one n-95 mask i have. only to use for coronavirus
we are supposed to use these expenses. masks until they either are basically it does nothing for a visibly soiled, until we can no state's deficit. doesn't give the state additional funding. longer breathe through them or the only place i have, i have to until the straps break. we are using them again and turn around and cut what i was again and again. going to spend which was i have had this for a week. so this is a situation that primarily education. we're in, that we are conserving what the federal government did resources to the point that we is going to force an education are concerned about being unsafe. we're concerned about infection cut on the local level because control, and we're doing this when you starve a state because we're very aware of the shortage and we don't want to run out in the future because we government, a state government know that this epidemic is just with a deficit given the starting and it is going to get economy, i have no alternative much, much worse. >> these masks, in good times, but to turn around, cut my they're only supposed to be -- expenses and my number one expense is education. they're single use? >> in the past, we have used them once, for one patient >> when do you see the peak of because the goal is to filter the virus hitting new york? out the infected particles, so >> if you look at the numerical you really want to be able to throw it away after you're done. there really isn't a great way projections, somewhere around 21 we have discovered to use them. so reusing them giving us some days. it bounces a little bit,
stephanie, because we have seen anxiety, but we are doing the a slowing in rate of doubling of best we can. it's just challenging in these cases, which is actually good. if you look at three day trends, conditions. >> then, is there a disconnect? because every day we hear more it was doubling about every two about private industries saying days, then every three days, then about every four days. producers from different parts so it is still going up. of the country or different parts of the world. the rate of doubling is down, is it that they can't get it to you or they're not approved or but it is still going up. and the projection now is the it has to go through the federal government? >> sure. apex is 21 days, and the i have heard that, too. and everyone keeps sharing these stockpile and everything we're stories of private companies that are offering to make masks. doing now is to have the it is not just masks. equipment we will need if we hit it is gowns, gloves, sanitizing that apex in 21 days. wipes, face shields. that's what we are preparing in my hospital we are entering a for. that's where you need the number critical shortage of sanitizing of ventilators and the number of hospital beds, and those are the wipes. i suspect because we're using the wipes to clean our equipment best modeling you can get. for use again and again and if you study china, south korea, again. this is an issue that's far beyond in my opinion private italy, and look at our numbers, industry being able to tackle that's the numerical projection. it. this is a problem where the i govern based on data and w.h.o..est ma estimated we need science opposed to feelings or increase in production. rumors or aspirations. this is a national problem, and
it needs to have a federal >> you mentioned a moment ago solution. we need the federal government to coordinate both the the huge economic toll the state has taken. production of more ppe and also if the apex is 21 days from now, coordinate the distribution so they can get where it needs to are you considering any time go because right now hospitals and states and individuals are period after that when you would fighting over the same set of look to start to reopen the supplies, and it is not being city, the state? dolled out equitably. >> you know, obviously everybody wants to reopen the economy as >> i know you are not just soon as you can, stephanie, and thinking about your patients. you have got the federal again, from a state's point of government in mind. you are running for senate in view, i am hemorrhaging revenue the state of georgia. every day. everybody has the same interest. stay focussed on both things. i don't want people unemployed but thank you for your work or people home with no check, right now. i really appreciate it. trying to figure out how to pay thank you at home everyone for for food, but don't make me watching this important hour of msnbc. on the other side of the break, choose between going back to jasmine will pick up coverage. work and public health. don't make me choose between where ore-ida golden crinkles are your crispy currency making money and losing lives. to pay for bites of this... ...with this. when kids won't eat dinner, and i don't believe any american potato pay them to. will choose money over saving ore-ida. win at mealtime. lives. i don't think that's the choice, i don't think that should be the choice. i think you can have an intelligent public health strategy that starts to send
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competing with each other to buy the same goods. i'm trying to buy a ventilator, so is illinois, so is california, so is texas, and we're literally bidding each other up. purchasing i think should have been done by the federal good afternoon, everybody. government. but look, these are it is 11:00 a.m. out west and organizational discussions about yesterday frankly and about what 2:00 in washington where the house of representatives just we could have done. passed the latest coronavirus i used to be in the federal government. stimulus. more on that in a moment. i was the hud secretary during but first i want to get to the the clinton administration. latest. i worked on many disasters with there are more than 91,000 confirmed cases of covid-19 here fema. we had the ability to frankly in the united states. that is more than any other practice what we did, and i country in the think they came up with a good system. i think there will be a retrospective on who did what when, who should have done what when. right now today, i need the finally's purchasing power to get ventilators, ppe, get the equipment here, help us with the
military effort to build the temporary hospitals because we are where we are now. i'm looking at 14 days, 21 days. there's no alternative for a different approach. you know, we made the bed, now we're lying in it. >> the president wants to take one different approach, he wants to start categorizing counties and regions in terms of risk, hot zones, hot spots. do you think that's a good idea? >> yeah, i don't know what you do with it. you can look at a map. i look at a map every day of my state, i look at the clusters. i had one of the hottest clusters in the country in westchester, that's where i focused my resources. knowing where cases are makes sense, right? you're fighting a war. you want to know where enemy troops are. i don't know what his intention is to do with that data, but in
terms of deploying resources, it makes sense. >> your message to other governors in states that haven't been hit so hard just yet who don't think they need to take such precautionary or preventive measures like you have. what's your message to them as governor of the epicenter? >> yeah. make the harder decisions sooner. you know, politicians don't like to make a decision that offends anyone. closing schools is hard, closing businesses is hard, closing restaurant, gyms is hard. make those decisions sooner because they'll save lives in the long run. also in some ways you're on your own. you need equipment, figure out where to get it, buy that ppe, buy the ventilators, buy the medical equipment, get the medical staff because it is a global race to now buy this equipment and get these kinds of
resources, so the sooner you start, the better. >> how would you say before we go your state is doing? new yorkers aren't known, you said it the other day, to be rule followers. in fact, we often try to figure out how to game and get around the system. while you put a lot of restrictions in place, you haven't set a curfew. how is new york behaving? >> surprisingly well. i think we normally try to get around rules because we think the rules are bogus or just annoying. new yorkers get this. they get that it is serious. and they have really risen to the occasion. we have 60,000 medical personnel who volunteered to help. these are retirees who volunteered to help. i was with the national guard, stephanie, we called them out, they all showed up. new yorkers, they say we're tough, you know, and a little
bit you have to be to live in new york, it's a tough place, but nobody rises to the occasion like new yorkers. nobody has the heart that new yorkers do. and that's what you're seeing now. you're seeing new york at its best. you know, these swagtituations, see the best and the worst in people. my grandfather god rest his soul said you don't know someone until the pressure is on. everybody can be nice when it is nice, he used to say. but when the pressure is on, you find out what the person is made of. when the pressure is on, that's when you find out what a leader is made of. when the pressure is on, you find what a society is made of. and new york is rising to the occasion. >> wow. governor, thank you so much. new york, tough on the outside, soft on the inside. thank you. i know you have a lot of work to do. i really appreciate your time today. >> thanks, stephanie. thank you.
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we have breaking news on capitol hill. garrett haake is stopping by. >> reporter: stephanie, the house passed the $2.2 trillion relief bill, despite last minute objection that was expected from kentucky congressman thomas massey who first asked for recorded vote, when no one seconded him, he asked for quorum call.
making sure half them are present. that was quickly established, it was gavelled out on a voice vote. $2.2 trillion package will be enrolled by speaker of the house and sent to the president's desk today. >> next place it goes is to president trump. say he signs it which secretary mnuchin said he will. when does this get into action. $2 trillion, there's a lot of people and companies that want that money. when do they get it? >> different elements of the bill, coming into effect at different times. some loan provisions, companies can apply for. checks going to individuals are most cases deposits should hit in about three weeks. with a bill of this size, takes awhile to get all of the machinery and government in place. that can start to happen in
certain levels almost immediately, steph. >> let's turn back to the president. last two hours, he attacked general motors again, claiming they've fallen short of the promise to produce more ventilators, causing the president to enforce the defense protection act, mobilizes companies to produce much needed equipment. the president said he didn't need to. >> i talked about the defense production act a lot, and i've enacted it. i have it. i can do it with a pen. for the most part, the companies, we don't need it. we say we need this, they say don't bother, we're going to do it. frankly, they don't need somebody to walk over with a hammer and say do it. >> i need some help on this one. joining me, nbc news correspondent hans nichols and
new york business columnist. hans, i'll start with you. i tried to get answers for my mother. she doesn't understand it, neither do i. if the president says all he needs to do is whip out a pen to put this thing in action, but he doesn't need to do that, why is he using his twitter fingers to attack gm in all caps and exclamation points? >> reporter: so the twitter tirade by the president, talking about how he invoked the defense production act seems to be what he had done before, that's just generally invoke it, not specifically apply it. i checked in with a couple of white house sources, i said does this mean it changed, does this mean with these tweets the president decided to directly apply or trigger this for specific industries or companies? their guidance was they didn't think anything had changed, and that for the specific triggering to take place, the president would have to take an additional
step. now, we have the press release from general motors as well. general motors is saying they're going to go ahead and start something in kokomo, indiana. not clear if they're talking about the same thing, but there are a few clues in there. he is talking about re-activating the plant in lordstown, ohio. press release talks about a plant in indiana. the president says late april is too late, he is berating them from that. the press release from gm says they hope to have it in position to start shipping at the end of next month. so the president could, and i stress with a could, could be reacting to this press release from general motors. it is unclear whether or not he actually is going to intervene and order them to open up a plant in lordstown, ohio, and produce ventilators. that's not an answer anyone is giving us, and maybe we can clear it up. >> all right. josh, unfortunately for you,
that clue still leaves me clueless. if we want the stuff, if we need the stuff, what would be the down side of the president triggering this, what am i missing? >> well, i mean, it is not clear to me whether that would be effective getting the ventilators sooner. the law is not a magic wand. the plant in indiana which gm in partnership would convert to produce ventilators, i mean, that's not ordinarily they're in. they'll have to retool the plant. the part where talks broke down between fema and general motors is gm initially thought they could do 20,000 ventilators, and thought maybe it would only be 7,000, or 5,000, so a lot of reporting is the price effect. the cost to retool the plant is the same, regardless how many you make. if you make ventilators, there's a higher cost per ventilator, but you get fewer ventilators.
will gm actually operationally be able to deliver a sufficient number of ventilators within a short period. if there are operational limitations that prevent them doing that, you can't necessarily get around that by invoking the law. that's a reason to have more trying to make these. as for lordstown, i don't know that they own that plant any more. i don't know where the president is getting that. i don't know if they can do it in lordstown. >> where he is getting it, all the people in 2016, he said don't sell your house, everything will be fine, he doesn't necessarily need facts on his side. he can have the sound bite of saying i told gm to do it to help the american people, they didn't do it, not me. it is the details that you're getting to that i suspect he is not. josh, is what he is doing a negotiating tactic by publicly
berating gm via twitter, is this his way of getting them to knock down their pricing and amp up production speed? >> i mean maybe. they say in the press release gm is providing their aspect as cost. none of us have dug into the books yet. i think the mind frame is this is a negotiation, gm is trying to play hard ball on price. i wouldn't assume that's the case. i think it is likely that gm has legitimate concerns about ability to deliver a certain number of ventilators in a certain amount of time. this worries me about his focus on pr. the president could get gm to make a promise they can't keep, get them to say we will deliver x number of ventilators on this time frame, then get a few weeks out from now, gm was never able to do that. that might be a pr win for the president that he is looking for but wouldn't address the issue of number of ventilators. it is a very hard problem. these are complex pieces of machinery, we have a certain number of in the country, that's
woefully insufficient. doesn't mean if you cajole them they can hand you those ventilators in two weeks. i think he sees it in the same frame he may have a negotiation as he tries to build an apartment tower, doesn't mean the same solutions are possible. >> hans, before we go, who in the white house is coordinating all that's going on between private industry and our public health crisis needs because there's a lot of companies now that are saying they're getting a lot of mixed messaging around what the country needs as well as many companies said they're not sure who to contact, how to get through to people. >> i'm not going to give you a satisfactory answer, but it involves, it is industry specific, right? for health care needs, it is coming out of hhs, for construction needs, fema is taking the lead. obviously other components as well. all of this, the plan, i don't know if this is working, the
plan was to have everything funneled through the taskforce. that's led by the vice president. the president has many relationships and conversations outside that task force. that sometimes slows things down, not slows things down, makes things more unclear, who is speaking for whom. it is supposed to all go through the task force, but individual agencies, fema has contracting power, they know how to sign a contract, know how to get, procure things in the marketplace. hhs does as well on the medical side. it is those two we are hearing about most. and in theory, it should be run through the vice president and the task force. >> hans, josh, thank you so much. as the coronavirus pandemic is spreading from coast to coast, the nation's governors are leading the fight to keep their states under control. next up, we're speaking with the
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