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approaching the level of death we saw during the 9/11 attacks, that started at the world trade center. when it was all over, 2,754 people had been killed. as hard as these numbers are to fathom, we're seeing the signs of collaboration at the state level. here is what new york governor andrew cuomo said yesterday when he announced governor kate brown's gift. >> we're all in the same battle here. and the battle is stopping the spread of the virus, right? state of oregon has lent us 140 ventilators. it was kind. it was smart. stop the virus here, it is better for the state of oregon, better for the nation. their curve comes after ours. we will return their 140 ventilators and there has never been a discussion, but frankly i know new yorkers and i know new
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yorkers' generosity and we will return it double fold. >> here is what two new yorkers, congressman gregory meeks and reverend al sharpton said about the idea cities and states had to compete against each other for the supplies and that they would have it not been for the acts of kindness. >> this president is not a leader, he's a liar and that's what he's doing. the part i saw, it made me upset, he's lying again. he says we don't need anything in new york. it is an absolute lie. >> we are looking at deaths in new york every day going up, we're talking about people dying. so this is not about me just attacking donald trump. for him to stand there and talk about the -- that tomorrow's palm sunday, and rather than say we don't need people to gather like many of us have called on clergy men to not risk lives, he's talking about how sad it is he's going to have to watch it
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on computer, watch his service, and easter -- we're talking about people being infected that could lead to their death. >> oddly enough, the third new york born person in this equati equation, fourth, is donald trump. what does it say about his leadership when a country like ours that is so used to holding telethons to help other countries is now faced with the possibility that the global community is going to have to come to our rescue? joining me now is senator tina smith of minnesota, a member of the health education labor and pensions senate committee. thank you so much for being here and good morning. >> good morning. >> donald trump has been paying attention to your state and to a major company in your state, 3m. i want to briefly play you what he had to say about 3m during one of his -- during yesterday's
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press briefing. >> we're very disappointed in 3m. they should be taking care of our country and they can sell to others. but they should be taking care of our country. the people that have dealt with them have dealt successfully with many companies over the last month. they don't like the way 3m has treated our country. they don't frankly like the representatives of 3m. and no act -- you said piracy, right? piracy? there has been no act of piracy. no, there has been no act of piracy, the opposite. 3m has not treated our country well. and if they do, great, if they don't, they're going to have a hell of a price to pay. >> to add to that, this is a tweet that donald trump tweeted out, a statement, sorry, that 3m posted after donald trump attacked them, produced in the united states would likely cause
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other countries to retaliate and do the same, as some have already done, 3m said. if that were to occur, the net number of respirators available to the united states would decrease. what do you make of this behavior by the president of the united states, he brought the mypillow ceo up to let him talk about religion and he sort of is picking companies he attacks and picking other companies to, i guess, promote. >> well, this is classic donald trump. and at a time when our country needs leadership, compassion, strength, what we have is this. if this is a public health war, we need a general and what we have in donald trump is a pretender. and it just goes to show what a failing it is. i've urged the president to immediately do a marshal plan of the defense production act in order to marshal all of the resources that the federal government to respond to this crisis. and this is just a symptom of his failure to do that. and using the defense production
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act almost like a retaliation is just ridiculous. >> isn't it the case that donald trump has it in his powers under the defense production act to compel 3m to produce more needed supplies and healthcare supplies for -- he's the person in charge of that. it is not 3m, it is him. >> exactly. this is the president's -- he's the president. president is treating this whole thing like it is some sort of a pr war when it is a public health war. and that's why many of us are urging him to use the full powers of the defense production act to accomplish what we need to accomplish, which is a coordinated, comprehensive effort to get the supplies out into the field of where they're needed. >> and, senator, are you concerned that donald trump has placed his son-in-law jared kushner, who has no background that anyone can think of, in public health, or in handling this level of an emergency, he
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owns buildings, rents out, you know, commercial and residential real estate, it is not clear what qualifications he has, and he and his wife quite frankly have business overseas that were not really clear what all of that is and whether that's related. are you concerned that donald trump is getting his son-in-law so involved and putting him in charge? >> yes, i am. i mean, we need a general and we're getting now is a son-in-law. and the way that kushner a couple of days ago responded to this question about the national strategic stockpile, and he said, that that stockpile belongs to us, it doesn't belong to the states. what does that even mean when we know that what we are required and in this moment in our country's history is that we all come together? we work together. i don't even know what that means. it is a symbol, a sign that kushner doesn't begin to have the kind of crisis management skills that we need so desperately.
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now, thankfully we have got governors and many states like our great governor in minnesota who are coming together and are figuring this out on the ground, and frankly to these governors, what the president does and says is irrelevant. he's not helping them, they're work around him to get the supplies and the medical needs filled that they have. you can see that with kate brown, right? kate brown and governor cuomo coming together, the white house is almost irrelevant in their struggles. >> and will there be senate hearings to sort of walk through all of the failures that we have seen at the administration level, from the delays in terms of using defense production act, the delays in using federal power, and also his family involvement and steve mnuchin quite frankly being so involved in the, you know, negotiations over bailout money because it is not -- there has been promises that donald trump cannot personally benefit from the bailout money, but there are also a lot of loopholes in there, steve mnuchin. >> that's right. this is why congress so
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carefully included three separate ways for -- to provide oversight over how this massive bailout money gets invested. already we can see the president striving to overcome that by putting his personal aide in charge of being the inspector general and just overturning what congress needs to do, which is to provide eversight. i would think that the american people would want to be able to know exactly how these dollars are being invested and how we're making sure that they are spent truly to save working people's jobs all over america. >> yeah, indeed. senator tina smith, thank you very much, really appreciate your time this morning, stay safe. >> thanks so much, joy. >> thank you. joining me now, congressman adam smith of washington state, chairman of the house armed services committee. and congressman eric swalwell of california who served on the house intelligence committee. gentlemen, your two states were sort of the leading edge on some of the tip of the spear for what
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we're seeing rolling out across the entire country. and senator -- representative smith, congressman smith, i'll start with you, how are things going in terms of washington state and bending that curve of new cases and deaths? >> they're going better in our state. the statistics have shown. there is still a lot we do not know. the we don't have the type of testing we need across the country. listening to what you were talking about with senator smith, the most important message i want to deliver to the country is we need to massively ramp up production of crucial equipment. 3m is focused on personal protection equipment, like masks. we really need to increase that production, but the next wave is te testing. we still don't have anywhere -- to say we don't have anywhere near the testing we need is the understatement of the week. we're just not getting there. and that's where we need the leadership from the federal government. i concur. i don't think mr. kushner and others back there quite have the expansive view of what needs to
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be done to ramp up production in this country because we're not going to be able to go back to work anytime soon if we can't do the testing that tells us who had the disease, who hasn't, how can we best protect the public. to get people back to work, need to have the testing regime so you know how to best protect the public. the white house right now is just not producing what we need to produce in this country. we have the capability, we need the leadership. >> and can you just explain for the average person out there, it is still confounding even to me, i'm in this business of trying to figure out this information, why can't the united states either simply buy the approved test or why hasn't there been a move to use the defense production acte united states? i can't understand that. >> well, that's the key part, mass manufacturing. like the abbott test that people
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are talking about, which i'll point out, is only a test to see if you have the zedisease. there is a company in california, not far from congressman swalwell, that is can test just as quick, it will say whether you have the disease or had it. the answer to the question is production. you need the manufacturing capability. ventilators is a good example. someone told me yesterday there is like 1700 pieces to a ventilator. you need to make sure you produce all of those somewhere. what is frustrating is we have known this for at least a month, probably closer to three, the president has not used his authority to work with the manufacturing capability that we have in this country, to start the process of converting companies to making the things that we need. so on testing, we're not manufacturing the kits. we're just now getting to the point where we're starting to manufacture the swabs to take the samples. there are steps along the chain. i'm not saying it is not
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complicated. but we're the richest country on earth. we have the capability, we have the resources. but the white house is taking the position right now that, yeah, that's up to the private sector, up to the states, and all the president seems capable of doing is figuring out who he's going to blame today. he has power. power to marshal the resources of this country. i urge him to exercise that power effectively. >> and congressman, i'll throw that to you, you can -- if you want to answer that question about the california company, which that's even possible for them to be the mass manufacturer, the one thing donald trump bragged about doing, the one thing he said he did is to ban people from traveling to the united states from china. he thinks that's it. he tried to name the virus after the country -- after the country of china, he said he banned people from coming. new york times is reporting that 430,000 people have traveled from china to the united states. since coronavirus surfaced. 1300 direct flights to 17 stays before trump's travel
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restrictions and since then nearly 40,000 americans and other authorized travelers have made the trip, some this past week in fact. many with spotty screening. one thing he says he did that he boasts about he hasn't done. >> joy, he had every light on the dashboard, blinking red at him. he still drove the car for another eight hours and then wants credit for finally deciding to park it because he banned flights from china. one, nice to see chairman smith. i miss him and so many of my colleagues, but he's right, not only does the president have the power, you have a lot of smart people all over the country who are sidelined and not able to work right now. and a lot of people who would step up and go to work, go to a factory, do what it took to, you know, get the supplies, whether it is testing, whether it is equipment for front line workers, and i think what is underlooked and i'm glad the chairman brought this up, is to also have the diagnostic to tell people if they already had this,
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because the more we know about people that already had it, the more we know about the spread, but also it allows healthcare workers who already had it or been exposed to it to go back in first and limit the equipment and exposure they would have to put themes to. so we need a whole of government effort we're not yet seeing from the president. >> i'm no jared kushner. but it seems to me quite logical that if you had mass testing, you could in theory say a plant that could manufacture the tests, test all the workers who would be involved in it, make sure anyone who has been tested positive can be treated, and isolate themselves, but anyone who tests negative could go into the plant and then they could work on mass manufacturing the tests. it is, like, not rocket science, but seems like the basic is still testing at the end of the day? >> it is what they're doing with the luxury that the white house has given itself, but will not give others. the president, no one goes around the president without a rapid test of those individuals.
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and that type of testing and knowledge is available and could be mass distributed with the right leadership. >> the other thing -- i want to go to you on -- >> sure. >> sure. >> i was going to say, look, let me just say, i like jared kushner. i worked with him on a variety of different things. he's not a bad guy. but this is an incredibly complicated project. we need as you said a general, and something i suggested to the white house a couple of months ago, joseph dunford, the immediate past chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, brilliant guy, managed large, complicated, logistical challenges who works with, worked with defense contractors to make sure they're producing the equipments to fight the wars we have fought. i said two months ago, should have made joseph dunford the czar of this production so we have the type of leadership we need, the type of experience and the type of confidence. it is not too late. that's why i'm not giving up. i'm not bashing the white house. change, show leadership, bring
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the production capacity that we need to confront this, this going to be worse than it needs to be. >> very quickly, other thing that donald trump has been up to is firing and people are getting -- people have been cashiered upon his -- i'll have each of you comment on this. congressman smith, the firing of this navy commander who went public because of his -- people were afraid, his troops were scared, his sailors are afraid, stuck on a ship and afraid of being infected with coronavirus, what do you make of that decision? >> here is the problem, i've spoken to the secretary of defense about this, i've spoken to the secretary of navy about it. and they're all kind of offended that we're criticizing them for this. they say the captain of the ship went outside the chain of command. in the email he sent, even if he didn't like eak it to the mediae people he sent it to was not the normal chain of command. the problem is the message being sent throughout the trump administration is loyalty is the only thing that matters.
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they have both assured me, the president didn't tell them to fire this captain. i don't know whether to believe him or not. they got a 29-year-old chief of the white house personnel department whose job is to go throughout the entire government and get rid of anyone who is insufficiently loyal to the president. so when they fire someone like this, it is obvious to most of us it is go to be driven not by competence, it is going to be driven by are they loyal to the president? there is another virus spreading throughout the white house, that is incompetence. because they are replacing it with loyalty. so did they fire the ship's captain because he went outside the chain of command? personally i would suggest even if he did, to remove the captain of a ship in the middle of a crisis like this, i don't think it was a wise thing to do. but more than anything, because of the way trump does his job, the rest of us, if the secretary calls me autopsy says we did this, the president didn't put any pressure on us, how can we believe that? eric, you dealt with this on the
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intel side. person after person purged over there. they put a person in charge of the national intelligence community, who had no experience whatsoever, because he was loyal to the president. no one can have confidence in the competency of this white house, they made it clear that loyalty is what they prize. >> yeah. on that note, the firing of the inspector general who was responsible for producing the report that ultimately led to donald trump's impeachment regarding what he did in ukraine, donald trump yesterday used some of his precious time on television we are was supposed to be talking about the coronavirus epidemic, to once again say his call to the president of ukraine was perfect and go on and on and on. what do you make of the firing of the inspector general? >> the call was as perfect as his response to this crisis. and i interviewed with the intelligence committee, mr. atkinson, when he first came in,
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in september. he wanted to tell us what the whistle-blower complaint was about, while he was being blocked, he was following the rules. even when it was critical for us to know and the law would not allow him to tell us, all he could tell us was i can't tell you. he followed the rules all the way through. never leaked to the immediamedi. he went through the formal process and he's been fired for doing his job. this is why donald trump was impeached. he put his personal position, his personal benefits, politically and financially, over the interests of the country. as chairman smith was pointing out there, you have a captain of a ship as well, who is putting the ship's interests over his own interests and doing everything he can to save the men and women on his ship. it makes him look bad politically so he fires him. always putting himself above everyone else. i will measure the captain's reception by the men and women
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he saved, not how he's received by the president of the united states. >> i can't imagine how great morale is seeing that happen. thank you very much. appreciate both of your time. be safe. donald trump doesn't want to do his part, but you may have to. that is next. you doing okay?
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putting a mask on yourself is more to prevent you from infecting someone else. and if everybody does that, we're each protecting each other because the data is it is more efficient to prevent transmitting to others than it is to prevent transmission to yourself. even though the benefits of wearing a mask apparently aren't enough to compel donald trump to wear one, the cdc is now recommending people wear cloth masks while out in public to
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help curb the spread of covid-19. joining me now is dr. ashish jra of global health institute and jeremy howard, founder of masks for all. dr. jra, i'll start with you first. everyone should be wearing face masks. that's jeremy's piece, i won't give you that piece, can you explain the difference in thinking because the original thinking was masks were more important for somebody already sick to prevent other people from getting sick, but now the thinking has changed. how so? >> so we have more and more evidence, we have known for a while that asymptomatic people, people with no symptoms at all, can spread the disease. but that data has now really become crystal clear over the last month or so. therefore, when you're out in public, you're at a grocery store, you may be infected, you may be spreading the disease but have no symptoms at all and it becomes important you put on that mask. as dr. fauci said, we're all going to get through this together and if we protect each
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other by wearing masks, it is going to make a big difference. >> yeah. now i'll read the piece that jeremy wrote. you wrote every country with enforced mask usage shows thrower death rates compared to companies not using masks widely. our affiliate in miami has noted that miami beach, city of miami beach, ordered employees and customers in stores to wear masks and facial coverings. that's as of friday. talk about your initiative to make sure. there is one thing to say wear masks, second thing is how do you get them? >> so there is a couple of important things to know here. as the doctor mentioned, the science is now clear 1100% of the time the coronavirus was blocked by a simple cloth cover. you don't need a fancy n-95 respirator. you got to cover your mouth. if you don't do so, you're protecting -- you're putting at risk those around you, if you go
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out and see somebody else not wearing a mask, they're putting you at risk. this disease is a silent aassass aassassin. the closest we have now is to cover up your face. the adviser says this might be even more important than distancing. that's how important this is. so it is not enough for you to do it. you need everybody in your community to do it. that's why we need enforcement on this. if we had a magic number, 80%. if 80% comply, modeling suggests we can kill this virus off. >> i want to play you what donald trump had had to say about this idea of wearing masks. this is despite the fact that the cdc contradicts him. here he is on friday. >> the cdc is advising the use of nonmedical cloth face cov covering as an additional voluntary public health measure you can do it you don't have to
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do it:. i'm choosing not to do it. somehow sitting in the oval office behind that beautiful resolute desk, the great resolute desk, i think wearing a face mask as a great president, prime ministers, dictators, kings, queens, i don't know, somehow i don't see it for myself. >> dr. jra, he says you can do it, you don't have to do it, he's worried about the aesthetics of -- i'm not sure why he would be meeting with prime ministers and kings and queens in his office, but he thinks the aesthetics of him wearing a mask wouldn't be good for himself. your thoughts on his thoughts? >> yes, so, a principle element of leadership is modeling, modeling good behavior. there is very clear evidence that we should be wearing masks when we're out in public. by the way, it is not a substitute for distancing. it alone isn't good enough, but it is a really important component of doing what is right for our society.
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and if it is good thing for all of us to be doing, the president should be modeling that behavior. that in my mind is fundamental to good leadership. >> to stay with you, here is deborah birx, she's one of his experts and she's saying this is her solution is don't go to the store. take a listen. >> the next two weeks are extraordinarily important. and that's why i think you heard from dr. fauci, from myself, from the president and the vice president that this is the moment to do everything that you can on the presidential guidelines. this is the moment to not be going to the grocery store, not going to the pharmacy, but doing everything you can to keep your family and your friends safe. and that means everybody doing the six feet distancing, washing your hands. >> dr. jra, this is confusing. we don't know how long, you know, i'm right now in the d.c. area, we don't know how long people are going to have to be holed up. it seems to me that going to the
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grocery store and stocking up and going to the pharmacy or at least ordering your meds if you need them for the next couple of weeks, seems to be exactly what you should be doing, particularly if you're wearing a mask. i don't understand the conflict between that and what she said, do you? >> what dr. birx is saying is we're in a crunch time. the next two weeks, many part of thes k-- parts of the country will be peak time. if you have go to the grocery store, you have to go to the grocery store. if you can avoid it or pack all your purchases to one trip, wear a mask, wash your hands, really use the next two weeks to tamp down on activity, it is going to be very, very important. so obviously if you need your medicine, get your medicines. if you need food, get your food. instead of four trips, make one. and try to limit your activity for the next couple of weeks. those are probably the two, three most important weeks in terms of the peak of the infection in large parts of the
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country. >> yeah, jeremy, please explain your initiative, masks for all. tell us what is the purpose of it and how do people get involved. >> the magic word to write down is masks for all. that's the number $4. masks 4 all. this is how the magic word works. go to masks 4 all and you'll see how to make your own mask, so you don't take a mask away from hospitals that need the special ones. text that word to 50409 and that will send a message to your legislators and your governor demanding masks for all executive orders. here is why you need them. if you go to a shop and somebody there is not wearing a mask, they could kill you. we already have seen this on public transport, the bus driver who died and somebody on his bus coughed without wearing a mask. it is not just coughing. it is talking. talking is the main way this thing spreads. we need to make sure if you're
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safe in your community, go to your shop and demand that they have a no mask, no service policy. that's going to keep you safe. otherwise you go in that shop, the person behind you wearing a desk could kill you. if we get 80% of people wearing a mask, it could save your life, it could save the economy, it could put us back on track. >> and apparently it is not that difficult to make them. you can make your own, right? some people are even doing initiatives where they're just making them. >> yeah, it is so easy, even a data scientist can do it. i'm a data scientist. i made my own. i'll admit it looks rather rubbish, but my mother-in-law took pity on me and made this one for me. what we need, we don't need -- any cover is fine. scarf, bandanna, research that is about to come out shows that any kind of cover stops 99% of droplets. here is a good one based on research in cambridge
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university. two layers of cotton, okay. and then in the middle is a special magic material that chinese scientists have discovered is almost identical to surgical mask material, a paper towel. two layers of cotton, paper towel in the middle and the surgeon general has a example of how to make one. >> that is very good advice. thank you very much. you all be safe. thank you. up next, reckless information is puttinging american lives at risk. laetitia james is here to way in.
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what i've been talking to insiders over the last few days, there is a concern in the network that the early downplaying of the coronavirus actually exposes fox news to potential legal action by viewers who maybe were misled
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and have died from this. i heard trish regan's being taken off the air is reflective of this concern that fox news is in big trouble by downplaying this virus. i think this is a case where fox's coverage, if it actually winds up being proved that people died because of it, this is a new terrain in terms of fox being possibly held liable for their actions. >> fox news has finally been forced to confront reality and the seriousness of the cris outbreou coronavirus outbreak. here is a sample of sean hannity's evolution. >> scaring the living hell out of people and it is like let's bludgeon trump with this new hoax. this program has always taken the coronavirus seriously and never called the virus a hoax. >> fox's spin surprise surprise tracks trump's accusation that warnings about coronavirus were a democratic anti-trump hoax and that had an impact.
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a pew research found that viewers overwhelmingly felt the media was exaggerating the risks about the covid-19 outbreak. now there is a lawsuit under the state consumer protection act, arguing that the network acted in bad faith by spreading false information about the virus and potentially putting their viewers in danger. joining me now is the attorney general of new york state, letitia james, who in 2017, as new york's public advocate, called for an investigation into fox following sexual harassment allegations against then host bill o'reilly. thank you for being here this morning. >> thank you, joy. i'm sorry skype is not working. >> that's okay. happy to have you on. i want to read the response to the lawsuit and their reaction in the staple, the general counsel to fox news media told the times of san diego wrong on the facts, frivolous on the law,
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we'll defend and seek sanctions as appropriate. as new york attorney general, and the state in which fox news is headquartered, is there potential liability for those who downplayed the seriousness of this virus in light of the fact that polls show that fox news viewers are less likely to believe that the threat is real? >> i don't know the facts. i've not read the paper. but i do know this, i know we should -- individuals should rely upon science and facts and not fiction. this is a time when all of us should be focused, all of us should be measured and all of us obviously should address the anxiety and fear that exists out there, the coronavirus obviously is impacting our entire world, our country, and the state of new york. and at this point in time, i think it is critically important that we provide information to consumers and to individuals who are concerned about this
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pandemic, nothing but the facts. >> yeah. and can you talk about how, you know, new york is being particularly devastated by the virus, at least right now. we know it is going to move on and it is going to keep spreading. can you talk about how it is impacting law enforcement? i saw overnight that we're now starting to see cases pop up, not just among fire department, but the police department, i'm sure each city is having its own challenges, new york city is the one we're hearing about right now. what has been the impact on law enforcement in the state of new york? >> a significant number of members of our law enforcement, first responders, ems, fdny, all those individuals on the front line unfortunately have contracted the virus. and so we are calling upon volunteers, calling upon healthcare professionals. we know individuals who are in our hospitals right now, they have been exposed and a
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significant number of them are working 24 hours, seven days a week. they're truly our -- they are our true heroes. and it is important that we provide them with assistance at this point in time. the best way that we can provide them assistance is everyone should stay home at this point in time. we should all practice social distancing. we should all wash our hands, we should all wear masks out when we go outside, and it is really critically important that we understand that this coronavirus is real. and individuals who are asymptomatic have the possibility of not -- not the possibility, but they too can spread it to individuals unkn unknowi unknowingly. everyone, please, please, stay at home, wash your hands, exercise social distancing, and when you do go out, please wear a mask. >> and there is -- you tweet about another issue that is cropping up as well.
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that is price gouging. we know there are limited supplies of various things out there in the marketplace, even when people are able to get out to the store, hopefully wearing their masks and you tweeted price gouging essential goods during a public health crisis is illegal and immoral. if you come across it in new york, report it to my ofts so we c can hold the bad actors accountable. >> my office is fully operational. there have been a number of predatory actors or bottom feeders who are basically using the heightened public fear to prey on consumers. to date, my office fielded over 5,000 complaints about price gouging and other exams macams the rounds in our state. we have issued close to 1,000 cease and desist letters to businesses selling hand sanitizers and basic essentials like toilet paper and other goods for skaexorbitant prices.
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we have seen people try to steal the stimulus checks. we're seeing individuals go door to door to get personal information, we're seeing medical scams online, individuals who are basically saying that they are advertising products that they claim will help prevent people from getting the coronavirus. this is nothing more than deceptive business practices, deceptive advertising. we're working with the online platform to remove all of the posts. but there are individuals and i call them bottom feeders, and they're criminals who are preying upon vulnerable individuals and preying upon the anxiety and the fear that exists right now. i urge everyone to remain calm, to listen to the facts, listen to the scientists and to recognize that this too shall pass. >> and, you know there is always people who will try to take advantage of any crisis for their own ends.
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both in terms of what you're talking about and also ideologically. you are one of those who has spoken up about the state of texas attempting to use this crisis, not sure how they get from one place to anotherer to restrict other, to restrict abortion access. can you talk about that a bit? >> yes. on march 23rd the governor of texas issued an executive order basically banning abortion services unless the life of the mother was in jeopardy. he also imposed a some criminal sanctions, up to $1,000 and an imprisonment of to 180 days. a lawsuit was filed by planned parenthood and others. the district court basically issued a temporary restraining order against the ban. the state of texas appealed. i along with 18 other attorney generals across this nation, we field an amicus brief in support are planned parenthood and center for reproductive rights
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and for the luring project against this ban. this ban tenders a woman's right to reproductive services. it's also important to understand that individuals with mean will travel to other states, but those without means, and people in color in particular, will resort to other measures. so this will do nothing, nothing to hinder the rate of transmission of the virus. i would urge texas and all of these other states that are trespassing on the right of women to join me and to get greater access for women's health care via telehealth and also any access to an abortion pill, which is effective and which is safe. over 2 million women have used an abortion pill, but this federal government,
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people may not believe the president had he says any of this, and you and i have been, you know, pretty critical of him from time to time. this was a different donald trump tonight. i think he gets it, anderson. >> good morning. welcome back to "am joy." we are currently awaiting an update from new york governor andrew cuomo. we will bring that to you live when it happens. first, the media is still quick to praise donald trump when he
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exhibits even a hint of normal behavior. the reality is trump's handling of the pandemic has been anything but normal. he brought back the daily press briefings which, frankly, the press was hungry for but instead of characters like sean spicer or sarah huckabee sanders, it's trump serving as his own communications director. he's turned the daily pressings into a tv show, and even bragged about the ratings. during his daily reality show he uses reporters as protagonists or hate objects berating journalists for asking perfectly reasonable questions doling out false hope to his captive audience, and giving contradicting answers. the media has fallen right back on this tick of seemingly needing to normalize trump's behavior. we're seeing this even when
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journalists and media organizations are simultaneously calling out his dishonesty. take this headline from "the new york times" this week stating, quote, trump suggests lack of testing is no longer a problem. governors disagree. it's not exactly a he said/she said. it's not a he said/she said at all. what trump suggests is simply not true. for verification let's go to "the times" own reporting which states that the united states continues to lag behind other countries in testing per capita. that's their own reporting. and "the times" is hardly alone in giving trump a huge amount of runway when he does anything that comes across as even slightly less outrageous than normal. even all the media, including our network, have covered presidents the same way for decades. in general, the majority of the media is still looking at the presidency in a conventional way. the president says "x," that's news and the other official says
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"y." trump did the says a lot of things but conventional is not one of them joining me is gabe sherman, special correspondent at "vanity fair," tara dow dell, eric bol, and carol simpson, former anchor of abc news weekend and david corn, author of "russian roulette." gabe, i'm going to go you to first because donald trump, you know, one thing that he counts on and has been able to count on is that the media is still going to treat him like a normal president. so, as he exhibits anything close to normal president-looking behavior, he will elicit the praise he so desires. i don't understand why that's not changing from your reportorial point of view. do you understand why it's not changing? >> this whole segment is so important because this is, you know, donald trump loves to talk about the media as the, quote, enemy of the people but, in
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fact, in many ways the daily press is his best friend because they have surrounded him in this cocoon of normalcy that still validates him as having -- you know, being a legitimate -- acting as if this kind of behavior is legitimate. the bigger problem is that this entire system depends on reporters, you know, treating donald trump with a level of deference that he does not himself deserve. you know, i'm not a daily reporter. i write for "vanity fair." i get longer time to work on my stories, so i'm in a position where i'm not reliant on the white house for daily access. but if these reporters really called out donald trump for being as mentally unstable adds he is, they might be banished from the press room. then they won't be able to file their stories. then their editors get mad. there's an economic incentive for these reporters to bend over backwards to treat donald trump
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fairly -- quote fairly in air quotes when in fact you're just propping him up. >> carol, you blew our mind the last time you were on the show. talking about what donald trump has been able to accomplish with these daily briefings is to get himself back a tv show. it's a tv show. it's a hit tv show, according to him. he loves to talk about the ratings but supplanting people's traffic and weather together. he's supplanting the local news so that people aren't seeing the local deaths, which would be in the "a" block on their local newscast. they're seeing little snippets of him maybe or just watching him, right, and so he comes across to them as more normal. there was a lot of freak out, i think, among liberals about the polls and where he liked like he was gaining in the polls as a result of this game he's playing. that has already fizzled out. he's back under water in terms of if he's doing enough and it's
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hard to deny if your bus driver is dying. can you advise people who are currently in the white house press corps and media covering him how might they treat him differently? >> i think about this all the time and wondering what i might do if i were in the press room. i think they have been more than differential to the president. and i don't know why. because i would have balked a long time ago of these briefings. they're not briefings. if i hear the man say one more time that he kept the chinese from coming in and that was the most wonderful thing in the world -- he says it at every single one of his briefings. if he says one more time, we're sending 3 million masks and 20,000 ventilators, i mean, that's all he says is talk about
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numbers. he doesn't talk about the fear of the people. he doesn't talk about what the plan is when this is over? are we ready for a second wave? they're useless. i watched last night for two hours. it was almost two hours. he was asking the press, do you have some more questions? do you want some more questions? i'll stay as long as you want me to. it's so self-indulgent and unhelpful to the public. >> i have to pause you right there. i want to get everybody's thoughts on this. governor cuomo has just walked out to the podium. we need to listen to them a bit. we'll hopefully be able to come back and talk with our panel. take a listen. . >> cases are up 8,000, total of 122,000 cases. number of patients discharged,
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total discharged up, 12,017 discharged in one day. number of deaths is up. that's the bad news. it's 4,159. and we pray for each and every one of them and their families. that is up. that is the worst news. but the number of deaths over the past few days has been dropping for the first time. what is the significance of that? it's too early to tell. this is the impact by state. but as i said the interesting blip may be in the data or hopeful beginning of a shift in
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the number of cases. total number of new hospitalizations is 574, which is obviously much lower than previous numbers. that's partially a function of more people being discharged. but icu admissions are also down. the daily intubations down slightly from where it was. again, you can't do this day to day. you have to look at three or four days to see a pattern. discharge rate is way up, and that's great news. and the statewide balance of cases has been relatively stable for the past few days. there is a shift to long island. upstate new york is basically flat and as long island grows, the percentage of cases in new
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york city has reduced. this is when you -- for those people who look at the data, there is a -- you have all of these projection models. what's been infuriating to me is the models are so different. it's very hard to plan when these models shift all the time. there's also a difference of opinion on what happens at the apex, right? all the models say you go up until you go down. thank you very much. then there's a difference of is the apex a point or is the apex a plateau? in other words, do you go up, hit the high and then immediately drop or do you go up and then there's a plateau where the number much cases stays high for a period of time and then drops? there's a difference of opinion. so you have to think about that
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when you think about what you're seeing in the numbers because you could argue you're seeing a slight plateauing in the data, which obviously would be good news because it means you plateau for a period of time and then you start to come down. we're all feeling our way through this. we have the best minds in the country, literally, on the globe advising us. because new york is first, i think it will be very helpful for other states that follow. i was just talking to dr. zucker about codifying everything we're learning because when the next states start to go through this, we hope they can benefit from what we're going through. but we're looking at this seriously now because by the data we could be very near the apex or the apex could be a plateau and we could be beyond that plateau right now. we won't know until you see the next few days. does it go up, does it go down?
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that's what the statisticians will tell you today. as we said before, the coronavirus is truly vicious and effective at what it does. it's an effective killer. people who are very vulnerable must stay isolated and protected. that was the point from day one. that was the point with matilda's law, my mother's law. if a very vulnerable person gets infected with this virus, the probability of a, quote/unquote, cure is very low. and that's what this has really been about from day one. that small percentage of the population that's very vulnerable. major effort that has impacted everyone to save the lives of those people who are in the very vulnerable population.
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if you're not in a part of that vulnerable population, then you will get sick. 20% require hospitalization. but the hospital system is very effective and it makes a real difference. and that's why the highest number of people ever now being discharged, right? so, we're just seeing the evolution of this whole story. you're seeing the narrative unfold. we're all watching a movie. we're waiting to see what the next scene is. and as the movie unfolds, you start to understand the story better and better. rush of infectious rate, rush of people into the hospital system. hospital system capacity explodes. more people are in but more people are coming out. 75% of those people who have now gone into the hospital system are coming out of hospital system. it also helps with the capacity
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of the hospital system because obviously the more people who are coming out, it makes it easy to handle the large unflux that's coming in. having said all that, the operational challenge for the health care system is impossible. because the system is over capacity all across the board. it's just over capacity. so, what we're basically saying to assist them is, you have to manage with the same resources that you have, same staff, an over capacity situation. and that is putting a tremendous amount of stress on the health care system. you're asking a system to do more than it has ever done before, more than it was designed to do with less. i understand that. and i get that. and day in and day out, the commissioner and everyone at this table deals with the health
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care system. i understand what they're dealing with. i understand they're being asked to do the impossible. and they are being asked to do the impossible. but life is options. we don't have any other options. so, you get to a situation and you do what you have to do in that situation. and that's where we are. the only operational plan that can work, right, because you know the system doesn't have the capacity, doesn't have the supplies, doesn't have the staff, so how do you handle this surge over capacity? we have to surge and flex, which means you have to deal with, if you're an individual hospital or hospital network, yes, you're going to be over capacity, and the only way we can make this work is if we flex the system so that we take all hospitals, all hospital networks, some
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hospitals are in networks, and we work together as one system. which has never been done, right? we have public hospitals, we have private hospitals, we have long island hospitals, we have new york city hospitals. in totality it's the health care system. they're all individual hospitals. or individual networks. and they are accustomed to just doing business and managing their own affairs. that doesn't work. we have to balance the patient load among all of these hospitals. so if one hospital starts to get high or has a projected high intake, we have to shift that patient load to other hospitals. that means some patients who show up at their neighborhood hospital may be asked, can we
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transport you to another hospital, which is not in your neighborhood but actually has more capacity. so, we have to adjust that patient load among all of the hospitals, which is a daily exercise and it's very, very difficult. we're running short on supplies all across the board. some hospitals happen to have a greater supply of one thing or another. one hospital has a greater supply of masks, one hospital has a greater supply of gowns. when we're talking about supply, hospitals are used to dealing with 60-day supply, 90-day supply. we're talking two or three or four day supply, which makes the entire hospital system uncomfortable, which i also understand because we're literally going day to day with our supplies, with our staff, et cetera. which is counterintuitive and counteroperational for the
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entire health care system. and i understand that also. the big operational shift will be javits coming online. if we get that up and running efficiently. that's 2,500 beds for people who test positive with the covid virus. that is a major shift for the systems. and at a time when we desperately need a relief valve for the system, javits could do that. so we're working very hard to get that up and running. but that rolling deployment, that flexibility, there is no other way to do that had, to do this on a state level. i can't say to a hospital, i will send you all the supplies you need. i will sent you all the ventilators you need. we don't have them. we don't have them.
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it's not an exercise. it's not a drill. it's just a statement of reality. you're going to have to shift and deploy resources to different locations based on the need of that location. i think that's going to be true for the country. the federal government, everyone says the federal stockpile, federal stockpile. there's not enough in the federal stockpile to take enough of new york and illinois and texas and california, it just -- it's not enough. the only option i see is there's a national deployment, everybody says this is wartime, it is a war and the virus is the enemy where new york, help new york today, thank you state of oregon, we are dealing with this curve today, this intensity and then nationally we shift the resources to the next place that is most impacted, right?
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just what we're doing in new york city, in new york state on a microcosm, we shift resources from the bronx to brooklyn to queens to nassau. shift national resources and state resources from new york to florida to illinois, whatever is next on the curve. we're going to do that in any event. we get through this. people have been so beautiful to us. it is the new york way. we're going to codify everything we've learned, and we get past this curve, whatever part of the country goes next, we will be there with equipment and personnel and however we can help. the federal government is also deployi deploying apox matly 1,000 people to new york city.
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the new york city city public hospital system, h&h was a system under stress to begin with before any of this. so, obviously, you add more stress to institutions that were under stress. it only makes the situation more difficult. so, we're going to deploy all the federal personnel who are coming in today, 325, to the new york city public hospital system. i talked to the hospital administrators on a daily basis. we get them on a conference call and we do this shifting of supplies and balancing of patient load. i know that i'm asking them to do really difficult things. i get it. i don't enjoy being in this situation. i don't enjoy putting them in this situation. i know their staff is all over
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bergen, but all i can say is thank you to the administration of this health care system. most importantly, thank you to the front line workers. i mean, these people, they are true heroes in the truest sense of the word. what they do day in and day out under very difficult circumstances. and we thank them all. on a different somewhat lighter note, there's an accompanying aflexion to the coronavirus what we talked about early on. it's cabin fever. it's a real situation. not medically diagnosed. i asked dr. zucker, there's no medical definition for cabin fever, but i believe it exists. it's the feeling of isolation. it's often accompanied by radical mood swings, resentment of people around you to varying degrees for no reason whatsoever.
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just an up welling of resentment, especially to people in apparent situations of authority, i've noticed. irrational outbursts can come at any time without any warning. just an irrational outburst, frustration, anger with no rational basis. cabin fever in many ways also threatens the essence of our constitution, which is premised on people ensuring domestic tranquility, and it can be disruptive to tranquility. i can attest to that. it's a real thing. think about it. it's only been one month but it's been a long month. positive interventions for cabin fever. i'm going to take up running again. i used to run back normally days before this job, but i'm going to start running again.
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my daughter, cara, we're going to run as a family. she's got a head start. she's doing five miles every day. she thinks she can beat me. give me a couple weeks, i'm going to be right there. right there. fast like lightning. going to do it, going to make the dog come. the dog is also experiencing cabin fever. a little disrupted, the order of the pack has changed, different people, he doesn'ten where he fits, he has anxiety. he's going to come out and run. think of ways to deal with it. i don't have any great answer. but a little perspective on the whole situation is also important. i challenged my daughters -- this is terrible, this is terrible, this is terrible, this is terrible. i've been saying it's terrible. it's been terrible for society, the economy, personally. but, you know, let's look back at history. generations have gone through terrible times, so my challenge to them is, you find me a
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generation that has had a better overall situation than where we are right now. go back world war i, world war ii, vietnam, 1918 flu pandemic, you find me a generation that hasn't had a challenge to deal with. and we're going to have that discussion. also keep in mind in perspective. this is going to be over. you see the understory developing. you see how the story ends. they will have have a vaccine. 12 months or 14 months or 18 months. there are a number of treatments that are being expedited and are being tested right now. dr. zucker is new york is working expeditiously and cooperatively with the fda to try all new different treatments, the convalescent plasma receptor antibody
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treatment we're working on, hydroxy chloroquine we're working on. i think, and this is opinion, not fact, i think you seal return to normalcy when we have an approved rapid testing program that can be brought to scale. we're now testing rapid testing programs. but when you get to the point where you can do rapid testing of scale and people can start to go back to work because they know they're negative, we continue to protect the vulnerable population, which is where this was about, but we liberate, as my daughters would say, they're seeking liberation. we liberate people who can go back to work because we know they're not in the vulnerable
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category and they're negative. and i think that is -- it's under development now, the rapid testing and we're part of it. but that is going to be the answer, i believe. and we get through it because we are new york state tough. thank you. >> governor, in terms of the data you're saying, this 594, which is a slight dip from yesterday, how many straight days would you say or statisticians say you would need to see similar numbers to say we hit the apex? >> you don't think i give you straight answers. have you to talk to the statisticians. they won't give you a direct answer on anything. we don't know. when you start with the first two options, it's either straight up and straight down or a total "v" or maybe it's up with a plateau and we're somewhere on the plateau. they don't know.
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they don't know. so, maybe -- if you look at the three-day roll as opposed to day to day, you could argue you're seeing a plateauing but they want to find out, they want the future data to determine if this was a plateau. in other words, next week they'll tell you, after they have a few days whether we're on a plateau or it was just a blip. is that accurate? >> that's accurate. >> anticipating needing 110,000 beds for coronavirus patients, considering the amount of hospitalizations, that seems like a big number. >> we had -- when we started planning, right, we had models we were planning against and they had a worse case, best case, middle case. the worst case was even higher. the worst case was like 170 -- what was the worst case?
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140,000 beds was the worst case. the 110,000 was more the moderate case. i don't -- look, i hope, i hope we're somewhere near the apex, right? or we're somewhere near the plateau. so i would hope that we don't need anywhere near that number of beds. that's the good news. the bad news is the number of beds doesn't really matter anymore. we have the beds. it's the ventilators. and then it's the staff. that's the problem. >> have you been getting statewide crime stats? what's been the trend over the past month? has crime declined? is that the silver lining in all of this? >> it's interesting. when you close down society, a
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lot of bad things happen, economic, et cetera, but couple of good things happen. anecdotally we hear the crime rate is down. the number of people going to hospitals not related to the coronavirus is also down. fewer traffic fatalities, less crime, less trauma cases coming into hospitals, but we can get you the actual crime data. has anybody looked at that? >> i know the crime rate in new york city is down. we can get you the stats sta statewide. >> is there any plan to give any volunteers additional health care insurance coverage? there's some concern among volunteers that the insurance they have right now won't cover if they get sick with coronavirus. >> we have -- department of financial services which regulates the insurance industry
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is looking at that question. we're not sure that the fears are justified. i understand the fear that they may not be covered but we're not sure that that's correct yet. we will do everything in our power to make sure people are protected and have insurance for this and we're looking at that right now. >> governor, we haven't seen the executive order to redeploy ventilators from upstate to downstate. why haven't we seen that? what would you say to people in the southern tier, adirondacks that have concerns this may leave them vulnerable in the coming days and coming months as the apex moves upstate? >> i would say this, john, the executive order -- i'm adding a couple other things to it is executive order. i'm going to have to extend a few policies that are going to expire. the concept here that people have to get is, nobody can
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handle this alone. nobody. the people of new york city cannot handle this alone. the people of nassau can't handle it alone. the people of suffolk can't handle it alone. the people of westchester can't handle it alone. the people of buffalo can't handle it alone. the people of albany can't handle it alone, period. that is just a fact. this virus will overwhelm the resources of any single community. it's also true nationwide. our wisdom here in new york our mental wisdom and our ethos is, we'll help one another. this surge/flex, every day we
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sit there allocating among hospitals shifting gowns, shifting masks, shifting patients. nassau needs this, suffolk needs this, westchester needs this. that's the om way we'nly way we it, by shifting of those resources. we will come to a point where that wave will run right through the state. and we're going to have to do that for albany and rochester and syracuse and the north country and hudson valley. that is going to happen. and i guarantee the people of this state, as long as i'm governor of this state, we won't lose a life if we can prevent it. we're not going to lose a life because we didn't share resources among ourselves.
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anything anyone needs in buffalo to fight this virus when it hits buffalo, will be there. if it comes from montauk point and i have to get in the truck and drive it from montauk point to buffalo, it will be there. that's the way we've governed the state and that's the way we've operated. that was our mentality post-9/11. that's how this state has operated for the past ten years. and that's how it will be going forward. whatever any community needs, we will be there. now, i understand the fear. well, if i lend you my ventilator, what happens when i need the ventilator? that was fdr. first of all, smart is, you don't want your house to burn
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down, don't let the neighbor's burn down. when the fire hits the neighbor's house, it's in your self-interest to put out the fire in your neighbor's house. not only is it the moral, ethical thing. why did oregon send us 140 ventilators? because they're very nice people. yes, governor brown is a great leader. why else? because they see the fire spreading. and they say, better we put out the fire before it gets to us. i'm sitting in upstate new york right now and i see that fire coming up, i say, let's go put that fire out before it gets to us. even if the fire gets to you, every hose in the united states that can be sent to you because they don't need it, it will be sent to you. and all we're asking for is for
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ventilators that you aren't using now and you don't foresee using in the foreseeable future. right? i say to you, john, do you have any ventilators you're not using and you don't think you're going to need in the foreseeable future? yes, i do. i have ten. okay. let me borrow two. the 20% is what gets you to the 500 ventilators. >> how many of those 500 has the state taken possession of? >> none. >> none? >> none. i just want to know where they are if we need them. for planning purposes, we know where every ventilator is in the state of new york now. they're little dots. we know where every ventilator is. i want to know, as we're going through this, day to day to day to day, and we have, by the way, hospitals that get down to two
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or three ventilators. i mean, that's how tight a margin we're operating on. i want to know what's plan "b," what's plan "c" if we get to it and where are they? and then, look, it's a ventilator. you know, we had one here. it's on a stand, it's on wheels. you can move them on a day-to-day basis. nobody's going to get caught short. it's not like i can't move ventilators from one place to another. and you look at the curve, that's why i say even nationally, you cannot do this any other way. i don't see any other operational model. it's when a place is at the apex, all the firefighters run to the apex with their hoses. and then the next place on the apex, you redeploy to that apex. new york city, the apex is either very, very soon or we're
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on a plateau. do what you can then. and then we redeploy. you know, it's -- it's -- we talk about the family of new york, right? i must have said that 1 million times, family of new york, family of new york. yes, yes, yes. what does family of new york mean? mutuality, cooperation, sharing benefits and burdens. okay. this is the time the family has to come together. this is the time. not just out of spirit and love. out of necessity. you cannot handle this without your brothers and sisters. you can't. >> governor, can we get an update on the front-line workers, the hospital employees who have tested positive for covid-19? >> what update would you like? >> how many there are, what the
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plans are. >> we can get you numbers for that. i don't know off the top of of my head. do you know how many health care workers have tested positive? >> we'll find out. [ inaudible ] >> oh, yeah. you have a -- you have a problem across the board on a number of essential staff who get sick. you have it in the police department. you have it in the fire departme department. and the health care system, as it's the key cornerstone system right now, it's essentipecially problematic in the health care system and that's why the recruitment of the volunteers, 22,000 people nationwide, 60,000 people reserve volunteers, we're pumping them into the hospitals. >> governor, have you spoken to officials in rockland county? there was a great deal of concern in rockland county about the growth of the virus. there was some suggestion you were not aware of the situation in rockland county.
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have you spoken to them? >> i know what's happening in rockland county. you do, too, because we see them every day. in that situation with the muncy community -- >> you are listening to new york governor andrew cuomo. he's giving his daily briefing on the spread of coronavirus in new york state. a quote from it, from what he said this afternoon, this early afternoon, we won't lose a life if we can prevent it. we won't lose a life if we can prevent it. he's talking now about some of the local communities, rockland county in new york and other communities outside of the apex of the virus spread in new york, which, of course, has been new york city. new york has seen the largest number of deaths of covid-19 in the united states. it has become the crux of where the virus has hit. a couple of things, a couple pieces of news that governor cuomo made during his briefing. he said new york is now testing rapid testing procedures. rapid testing procedures, which would be critical to people
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being able to go back to work. he said they would need to be scaled but if there can be rapid testing available, then new york state can know who has been infected, who has recovered. that would allow the economy to come back and people could go back to work because they would be certified as having gone through it. and he talked about cabin fever and how people in his own family are struggling with this idea of being home, antithetical to being a new yorker, an american. talking about the struggles in his own family, talked about his daughter. he was sounding cautiously optimistic. the governor reported that the number of deaths in new york state is down for the first time. the day-to-day death toll has gone down for the first time. he said cautiously optimistic
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that new york has finally reached the plateau in the curve in the number of cases being reported, the number of people died. new york may actually be finally, finally reaching that plateau where they could start to see a light at the end of the tunnel. he said the estimates they had for the number of hospital beds they would need at the high end was 140,000 beds. at the medium end was around 110,000. they now recalibrated to the medium. that is actually really good news for new york. that's not the end of it for the entire country because, of course, he, again, brought back that fire analogy. if there's a fire in the neighborhood, there's a fire in house number one, that does not mean it's not going to get to house number two. he talked about the fact that the country needs to be on top of this to make sure it doesn't move to the next place. moving ventilators from states being hard hit to states being less hard hit, as oregon did for new york is still what needs to be done. one thing that separates these briefings from the briefings donald trump does on a
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day-to-day basis is governor cuomo actually makes news. he says things that are useful in terms of making news and in terms of actually working through this crisis. let's play -- this is cut three for my producers. this is governor cuomo now talking about ventilators, what i was just talking about. here's governor cuomo. >> the virus is the enemy where new york -- help new york today, thank you, state of oregon, we're dealing with this curve today and this intensity. and then nationally we shift the resources to the next place that is most impacted. >> back with me, gabe sherman, special correspondent at "vanity fair" and also an msnbc contributor, tara, eric boller, carol simpson, former anchor of abc weekend world news tonight and david corn of mother jones.
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david, i'm going to go to you first. this issue of state-by-state compacts and moving ventilators moving back and forth, assess what you heard the governor say. >> the governor is basically acting as if he were president and suggesting a national approach, which involved coordinating what you need to do as hot spots emerge and hot spots decline. he, of course, is concerned, as he should bd be with new york and with new york there's a lot to coordinate, as he noted between montauk and buffalo and new york, city and long island now increasing its case load. he's learned some very important organizational issues about how you do this. and it was really -- i don't want to say inspiring but it was encouraging to hear a political leader say, okay, i understand the organizational challenge here and we're taking all these hospitals and networks. we need one system in which we
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can balance the patient load. and he's doing this under the overarching theme of, we're going to prevent the death of -- every death we can prevent. he's not talking about economy first. he's hit willing the right themes, the right logistical issues and it's something that's soarly missing when we see this happen at the trump daily follies. >> i want to play the oregon governor again last night, governor brown. she was on with me. we did an evening version of the show. this was governor brown also talking about the same issue. we are seeing essentially the governors are the president right now. the governors of this states, those who are on top of it, because some are not acting, but those on top are really providing the lead ship we need. >> new yorkers needed the help. it was really clear. we've been seeing the photos over the last week. oregon is in a position to help out. we don't need the ventilators right now.
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we might at some future moment. and i am hoping when we have needs in the future, other states will be willing to help out. states are truly on the front lines of this horrible pandemic. we've already been working together. it doesn't matter if you're a governor of a blue state or a governor of a red state. we all have the same needs. >> tara, you know, the governor, governor cuomo made the point that the ventilators can be moved. you can put them on wheels, move them around. these are the kind of logistical ways that you think the federal government will be operating but, unfortunately, it's not. you're having states do it. one of the important things, because i know you're a business owner, you live in the tri-state area, you deal with folks from new jersey as well as new york. this idea that putting in -- moving these ventilators around, getting the bed situation in order and also getting rapid testing and order would actually allow new york potentially to begin to allow people to get back to work. your thoughts on that.
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>> my first thought about governor cuomo's press conference was the stunning contrast with those disinformation briefings that donald trump does every day. i mean, he has a very clear plan of action, he's nuanced. if he doesn't know the answer to a question, he says, i don't know, which is really, really encouraging because some of this -- some of these factors are unknowable or it's hard to pinpoint an impact number or an impact time period. i can tell you this, governor cuomo is exactly right. we have a logistics -- a supply chain in this country. we have a very robust supply chain. i say that as someone who worked at the port authority in new york and new jersey and i worked on the international shipping side of it. we have the infrastructure to move things by rail, by vessel, by truck. we actually have the ability to do those things. and as you know, my husband does a lot of humanitarian work.
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we actually shipped ventilators from this country to ethiopia several years ago to help with shortages there. so, there is a global supply chain that's already in place. the difference is that governor cuomo understands that, knows that, and is executing based on that whereas donald trump doesn't care. he just doesn't care. so, he's not going to leverage the tools and resources that are available, the army corps of engineers that does major infrastructure projects. our u.s. military actually builds hospitals all over the world. we did it during the ebola outbreak in west africa. our military, under president obama, was sent over there to build hospitals. we have all the tools and resources at our disposal in our country. i want to make one other point. there was an opportunity for the u.s. to take a global leadership role and to help stem the tide
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of this pandemic, as we did in many other instances. en only did we fail to support and help our own people, but we failed to take that leadership role that we could have easily taken and now that creates other geopolitical ricsks for our country. >> absolutely. and the united states, this becomes a problem. now you see why it is, you know, that we had people like jennifer rubin on our air and, you know, people out there yelling and screaming that giving up our -- giving up our role as a global leader, tearing up our alliances throughout europe, tearing up our alliances around the world in favor of alliances with dictators. it does have a cost. it's not cost-free, let's put it this way. i want to play two more things. this is for eric. this is the segment where we were talking about media. there's a contrast between the way that the governor of new york is talking and the way
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administration is talking. although that changes day to day. it's happy talk, everything is okay, or what we heard this morning. i first want to play governor cuomo during this briefing opti where things are going. >> total number of new hospitalizations is 574, which is obviously much lower than previous numbers. >> now, eric, i want to play for you jerome adams, the surgeon general of the united states. he was on "meet the press" this morning. in contrast to the calm, reasoned daily briefings you hear from governor cuomo and the way sometimes even trump is talking about his facebook numbers and it's all over the place, this was the surgeon general of the united states just this morning. take a listen. >> the next week is going to be our pearl harbor moment, our 9/11 moment, it's going to be
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the hardest moment for many americans in their entire lives. >> from the point of view of trying to cover this, from the point of view of journalists, you then -- these two things could not be more unequal, right, the two ways these men have characterized things. what do you think the media goes with in the morning? >> they always go with trump. he is the headline. it would be one thing for the trump briefings if he was confused, he was a doddling old man, he didn't understand what was going on. this is worse. this is active misinformation. he is telling people yesterday to take a cure that doesn't exist. this is amazing what he is doing. so the briefings -- you talked about it earlier. there's a beltway protocol. if the president of the united states stands behind a podium and says something, then it's news. certainly, if there's a national health crisis and he says
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something, it's news. that's the justification for the briefings. i get that for day two or day three. after a while, my gosh, you have just got to deal with reality. as you said, not only is there no news at these trump briefings, it's just a torrent of misinformation and lies. we have never had a president of the united states who actively lies during a national crisis. it's unprecedented. the press needs to do a better job. they need to unplug this stuff. on the tone stuff we talked about earlier this week. he gets it, he is going to be serious. the press is desperate to cling to this idea that he is normal. if you do that, you don't have to address the more dangerous questions of why did he essentially order the federal government to stand down for a virus invasion, and that's the question we don't have answers to. the other questions are why -- not having to ask the disturbing questions about his radical and
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undemocratic ways. he gets it, he gets it, it's just a matter of time. he doesn't get it. he is incapable of change and of doing good. >> yeah. gabe, the thing is the way we will ultimately find out why he stood down in the face of this pandemic, we will ultimately find out through leaks, not through a press briefing with donald trump. donald trump isn't going to admit to it. we will never find out that way. i wonder from your point of view as well, it is very difficult to cover a crisis in which the person who is supposed to be in charge is just misinforming you and saying he is not going to wear a mask because he might miss kings and princes and he can't have that. i'm not sure where the media goes with this at this point. now if you have new york saying, soberly, i think we're actually getting there, i think we're actually turning the corner, and the surgeon general is saying tomorrow will be our 9/11, tomorrow will be our pearl harbor moment, it's almost as if he is trying to get people to
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rally around president trump. that's the suspicion i have. i don't have evidence he lass something honest to say to me. that's the problem. >> yeah, that's -- joy, you touched on that perfectly. when you start a crisis with such a credibility gap that donald trump has, the public is always going to view the information or misinformation coming out of the white house with a skeptical eye. one thing i was struck by with the cuomo briefing is really how much he focused on what was best for the state and what was best for the people of new york. basically, when donald trump steps to the podium, my takeaway is he is saying what is best for him personally. politically, there's no larger thought about how he is serving the welfare and safety of the american people. that extends to jared kushner who made his debut at the podium this past week and talked about how improbably given the fact he has zero medical and logistics
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experience he is in charge of marshaling ventilators and masks and ppes for hospital systems around the country. this is an administration that acts in its own self-interest which is laid bare by the crisis. governor cuomo shows what a leader does when he is focused on the safety of the people. >> yeah. carol, i'm going to give you the last word on this. if tomorrow morning you were anchoring the "nightly news" and you have the two contrasting statements, how in the world do you cover that? >> well, i have to admit that i am a fan of andrew cuomo and wish very much that he were president of the united states now running a national battle against this virus. if i were -- >> kind of isn't he? isn't he actually? in a way, he is. he is president. >> well, he is just -- he talks
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to us. he talks to the people. he tells you about cabin fever. i don't think trump has any idea of what ordinary people are going through and what they feel and c and cuomo clearly does. he makes you feel better. trump makes me feel scared. because i don't know that he has a plan. what is he going to do about this stuff? where are we going? i don't know what to say. it's so depressing. >> yeah. i hear you. it's always such an honor to talk with you. i want to thank this great panel. thank you all very much for being here. thank you all for watching. by the way, tonight on msnbc, please do check out this incredible documentary from our partner sky news in london. it's powerful. sky news special correspondent
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