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more than 2% and that may not sound like much, but its chief medical officer said it's significant. one of the biggest increases in the last decade. banfield veterinarians reported no significant increase in cats weights. and at the risk of turning this into a joke about dogs and cats, there is a difference. according to dr. mcalister, dogs are constantly by their donor's sides begging for treats and sometimes sharing snacks. cats, on the other hand, often keep to themselves. frankly, they may be annoyed that their owners are even home. dr. ernie ward, founder of the association for pet obesity prevention, says that owner stress may also contribute to their pets weight gain. pets may sense your anxiety. if you stress eat, they might, too. it is the top of the hour, no stress for me, because i'm glad to be with you tonight, and
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after months of anticipation and a vote that lasted all night long, we're one step closer to covid relief. the senate passed president biden's $1.9 trillion covid relief package. will the stimulus bill help speed up the process of reopening states and cities, especially now that vaccination rates are improving? we'll dig into that next. also this hour, levar burton, the long time host of "reading rainbow" is here tonight. we'll get his take on six problematic works by dr. seuss going out of print. from nbc news world headquarters in new york, i'm joshua johnson. welcome to "the week." the covid relief bill passed the senate, paving the way for $1,400 checks to reach millions of mailboxes. not one republican supported the bill despite its widespread support among voters. after today's senate vote,
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president biden had this to say -- >> i want to thank all of the senators who worked so hard to reach a compromise to do the right thing for the american people during this crisis and voted to pass the american rescue plan. it obviously wasn't easy. it wasn't always pretty. but it was so desperately needed. >> the bill heads back to the house and a vote there is scheduled for tuesday. soon thereafter, president biden plans to sign it into law. with covid relief one step closer and vaccination rates increasing, attention turns to how we reopen economies from coast to coast. lockdown restrictions have begun to loosen. some big annual events have returned. those include daytona beach's bike week. we'll get to that in a few minutes. but there are stark differences in the approaches taken by americans in many states. some folks are beginning to cautiously peek out from quarantines and imagine a life with fewer restrictions. some new yorkers have begun purchasing theater tickets, i'm
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dying to do that. the state is allowing some broadway theaters to reopen next month for popup events with limited capacity and social distancing. other states are tearing down their restrictions pretty quickly and visibly. today in idaho, a grup of families brought their kids to the state capitol to protest mask mandates. they encouraged children to burn their masks in a show of defiance. we're going to take you on a quick cross-country trip tonight. we'll visit three states and dive into the logistics and the politics of resetting america. we begin in san francisco with msnbc's scott cone. hey, scott. >> joshua, no one has been waiting longer for a reopening than people here in california and the bay area specifically. remember, this was the site of the nation's first stay at home order back on march 16th of last year. now, things are starting to move quickly. the state now says that outdoor sports arenas and theme parks
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can begin reopening on april 1st, but with limited capacity and only in-state residents at first, all tied to the state's color coded risk system. the state legislature has just approved new incentives to get schools reopened as soon as this month. and here in san francisco, for the first time since a brief reopening last fall, indoor dining is back. san francisco mayor london breed says that is a major milestone. >> our numbers are going down. we're in an amazing place. we're not completely where we want to be, but we're better than we have been since october of last year. so, i'm excited. this is the beginning of a great time in san francisco. >> california governor gavin newsom has taken considerable heat for the state's pandemic response. he insists the reopening in california is much different than the reopenings going on in other states like florida and texas.
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>> we will be doubling down on mask wearing, not arguing to follow the example of texas and other states that i think are making a terrible mistake and, again, forgive me, but the positivity rate in california is 2.1%. in texas, it's five times california. four times in florida, some of these states. you know, i -- this is not the time to spike the ball. >> but california is not out of the woods. the state is still logging between 4,000 and 5,000 new cases every day, more than 400 deaths yesterday alone. and only about 7% of californians have been fully vaccinated. joshua? >> thank you, scott. that's msnbc's scott cohn here at&t park in san francisco. speaking of texas, let's go there next, where things are moving a lot faster. this week, governor greg abbott announced his intention to fully reopen the state. as of wednesday, march 10th, texas will no longer be under a statewide mask mandate and all
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businesses may operate with no capacity limits. but they can set their own mask and social distancing restrictions. this decision came just one day after the cdc warned against easing restrictions while new covid variants still present a major threat. let's continue now with robert garrett, the austin bureau chief for "the dallas morning news." robert, good evening. >> good evening to you, joshua. >> could i ask you about the situcovid? the governor says it's getting better. he's pointing to a variety of statistics, including a drop in cases, but there was just a major winter storm in texas, that must have affected some of the collection of the data. what is your sense of the logical framework on which this reopening is based? >> well, i think it has to do more with political science an the dismal science of economics than with actual virus science, joshua. they -- the governor, a lot of democrats immediately said he was trying to turn away
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attention from the winter storm and the outages, but actually greg abbott's advisers say that he's been wanting to do this and was planning to do this and just got delayed by the winter storm, so, he -- he has been wanting to have no mandates and he's up for re-election next year, as you probably know, and he is also kind of interested in that 2024 republican presidential sweepstakes. >> what is your sense of the reaction in different parts of texas, with the understanding with a state of counties that are a little bit different than one another. are there pockets of agreement and pockets of disagreement? are people ready to be done with all of this? what are you seeing? >> well, we haven't been able to poll it yet, joshua, but texans don't like, in general, a lot of restrictions on their freedom to move around. the other side of it is that greg abbott, you know, took away
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all the teeth and thee edicts on masks and other restrictions. you'll remember there was a dallas hair salon owner that went to jail and immediately last summer, governor abbott removed the ability of local government to put anybody in jail or even fine people. so, it's -- a lot of people, i'm sure, will welcome this, but there are also a lot of people who point to -- when he made this announcement, fewer than 7% of texans had been fully vaccinated. that's like one-tenth of the way to herd immunity and i think it's only a little bit over 8% fully vaccinated today. >> we noted that executive order does still allow businesses to set some of their own restrictions, a number of chains, kroger, costco, starbucks, target have announced they will still have restrictions inside their locations. what's your sense generally of how businesses are responding to this? i believe some of the larger business groups applauded the decision, but some smaller
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businesses are feeling a little bit more concerned. >> right. and you didn't mention one of the most famous grocery chains, h.e.b., and h.e.b. is letting customers not wear masks and so there's already a vigilante kind of social media and texting going on to figure out which h.e.b. people are wearing masks then. so, you know, the leadership is letting everything wide open, so i think you'll see people that are still concerned, you know, about the variants of the covid virus and about how far away we are from herd immunity, you'll see people taking actions in their own hands to protect themselves, even though the governor said texas is 100% open. >> i got a text from a viewer this week who sent me a list of all the businesses in and around austin that are still requiring masks, that people are kind of sending out among themselves p. it will be very interesting to see how this plays out. robert garrett, reporting from "the dallas morning inside" in austin. robert, thank you very much.
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>> thank you. central florida hosted some big events during the pandemic including the nba playoffs in a strict bubble with covid precautions. this weekend, it is hosting another big event. daytona beach is expecting tens of thousands of motorcycles for its 80th about yule bike week. an op-ed from the mayor described this as the best of the bad options. florida governor ron desantis rolled back capacity restrictions in september. the mayor now joins us now. >> good evening. >> what did you mean by that, the best of the bad options? >> well, during covid, josh, you do not have good choices. no one wants to make the decision to curtail one's capacity to operate their business, to enforce or make masks compulsory, however, because of the governor's mandate, rolling back, you know, our ability to do certain
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things, our hands were sort of tied and we and the city did all that we could conduct their business as the governor has allowed. >> what restrictions are in place for bike week? >> well, restrictions as it relates to bike week, typically, we provide permits for our biking community that are not permissible throughout the year. and so what we have done is, we collaborated with the business community, they agreed to curtail the number of people who will be allowed in their establishment. the governor's edict allows for 100%. well, our businesses agree to limit that to 60%, given we gave them permits for outdoor vending, which is the best of -- the best choice that we could have made, because we don't want people crammed inside of
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buildings like sardines, we would rather them be outside, although the numbers will be great, we know from the science that it's safer to be outside as opposed to being inside of businesses. >> this is an odd question for me to ask, but my parents are actually in daytona beach this weekend. they are members of a black motorcycle organization called the buffalo soldiers that road up to bike week this weekend. they are vaccinated, but i'm really concerned. i saw what happened in sturgis, south dakota, where their governor sapd, just show up, don't worry about the restrictions. you're not doing that, but we're still in a period where covid is not under control in my native state of florida and now my parents are in your city with thousands of other bikers who may or may not be adhering to the rules. this is an odd question for me to ask you, mr. mayor, but are my parents safe in daytona beach this weekend? >> well, i would say that we
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have learned a lot about the virus and a lot of it comes to personal responsibility. i'm very happy that they've been vaccinated. we are happy with where our members are and where they are headed. however, as you know, i can't guarantee their safety, but i would encourage them to do the things that we have encouraged folks to do all along, throughout the virus. mask up, continue to wear your mask, you know, continue to wash your hands and be socially distanced as much as possible. that's a bit difficult when you're out and about, but when you're on your bike, and if they do a lot of riding and not so much -- not as much, you know, just hanging out in large crowds, then the safer they will be. but unfortunately, josh, you know i can't guarantee their safety, that's why i've continued to preach and try to educate and encourage people to make good with decisions and choices while they're in our city. >> noted.
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derrick henry, thank you, sir. >> thank you. next, conservative critics are blasting a decision to stop publishing six dr. seuss books because of racist imagery. we'll explore the complications of revisiting childhood classics with levar burton, formerly of "reading rainbow". plus, the pandemic is hitting black-owned businesses especially hard, increasing the racial wealth gap. we'll consider one possible solution. but first, richard lui with the headlines. some of the stories we're watching this hour. u.s. immigration and customs enforcement says its effectively ending family detention. i.c.e. will release families after no more than 72 hours. homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas says i.c.e. detention is not where a family belongs. california health officials may allow outdoor attractions by disney land, dodger stadium and the sand yeah grow zoo to reopen april 1est.
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what was the first book you ever loved as a kid? the first one you wanted to read over and over? for many of us, it was something by dr. seuss. some of his works made news this week because they're going out of print. on tuesday, dr. seuss enterprises announces that six books would no longer be published because of offensive imagery. these books have been criticized for how they depict black and asian people. in a statement, the company explained the por trails were, quote, hurtful and wrong. and that caused quite a stir. some praised the company's decision. others called it another instance of cancel culture. what should we do when the books we loved are harder to keep loving? joining us now is someone who has helped generations of children fall in love with books. levar burton was the longtime host of the pbs series "reading rainbow." today, he is the post of the podcast "levar burton reads" and the author of the children's book "the rhino who swallowed a
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storm." levar burton, good evening. welcome. >> thank you, joshua. >> i'm bugging. i'm tripping right now. i cannot believe i'm talking to you. i just need you to know, this will be the least professional i'm going to be all night. because i'm not going to be able to not geek out over talking to levar burton. >> i'm here for it, josh, i'm here for it. we're fans in my house. we love you. >> well, thank you, thank you very much. that means a lot. and i think what you have done for literacy means a lot, not just because "reading rainbow" was not really about literacy, but about reading appreciation, about getting kids to love books. talk about how you have seen this evolve over time. i'm sure there are books that maybe you've read or seen that were, you know, popular or best sellers that in retrospect you might look and go, that didn't age very well. >> sure. well, look, i mean, there are plenty. tom sawyer, huck finn. look, the move that the -- that
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the dr. seuss estate, dr. seuss enterprises made, was, i thought, a really responsible move. they, as the stewards of the i.p., decided that these books, these six, were no longer in keeping with the image that dr. seuss has come to represent, the values that he's come to represent for so many americans. and i think that was a responsible decision on their part. >> what about the way that this effects parents? i feel like a lot of the dynamic over these books is less about, like, conservative versus liberal, cancel culture, whatever, and more about the way that parents engage with their children and sort of impart what parents love to their kids. that's kind of where the rub feels like for me and i'm not sure what parents should do to navigate that. >> there are plenty of other
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dr. seuss titles. these -- these six are not in the mainstream, they're not "the cat in the hat," they're not "green eggs and ham." they're not the most popular in the catalog. they were already fairly obscure. there are so many other wonderful titles by dr. seuss that you can share with your children. and, you know, the people who are in charge of the dr. seuss brand decided, ah, these six in the light of today really don't work for everybody. >> i hear you on that, i guess what i meant more with that, and you're right, this doesn't involve "green eggs and ham" and things like that. those aren't involved in these. i guess what i meant more is, i keep hearing from parents -- and i am not a parent, but i keep hearing parents say, i was watching a movie with my kids that i loved or i was reading a book with my kids that i loved
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and then all of a sudden, right? where there's an illustration of a story line that they suddenly realize, like, oh, that doesn't age well and i wasn't ready for this conversation. they're not ready to talk about it because they don't know what to say to the kid about this thing that they loved that now suddenly they have to try to edit or to deal with. >> i'm afraid i have not run into that problem. most folks, most parents that i know, and i certainly did this as a parent, i made sure i knew what i was sharing with my child. if this is something that you enjoyed as a child and wanted to share with your child, but don't remember that there was something offensive or inappropriate in it and you got surprised along with your child, i would expect that you have the where with all to deal with that effectively as a parent. >> let me ask you about your podcast and the work you're doing now, it's for adults --
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>> it is. >> you read all kinds of works on the podcast. how much of the spirit of "reading win bow" kind of carries over to the podcast in terms of creating reading appreciation for grownups? i feel like we still could use some turns on to certain kinds of literature at any age. >> on the podcast, i read a short story in every episode, i lean heavily into speculative fiction as it is my favorite genre to read for personal enjoyment. the connections people make all the time between "reading rainbow" and what i'm doing now. i think the consistent thing is, this audience now, adults who grew up on the show, are still enjoying me provide recommendations of authors and stories to them, so i still have a relationship with them around reading and i'm encouraging them to spend some time in their imaginative space. because we all need to spend more time in our imaginations. it is the muscle that needs to keep being worked in order for
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us to be at our best in terms of being able to solve the myriad of problems that we are certainly faced with in the world today. >> have you noticed changes in the way we engage with literature as social media has proliferated? i feel the way we both read and write have revolutionized. i don't know if that deepens the way we read, by making us read and think and comprehend in more ways or if it makes us read more shallowly and kind of shy away from the thick books with lots of text. what do you think? >> i think that the tendency is to shy away. the more time we spend on tablets and the more we get used to that, i think it's slowly but surely drawing us away from the written word. i went to write a thank you note the other day and i realized i had lost touch with my ability
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to write long-hand. and i had to sit and really practice, because i'm always on a keyboard. so, we really do need to be mindful of, you know, not losing skills that are valuable to us. culture changes. habits change over time. but there are some things that i think we're going to want to hold onto. i think reading is definitely one of them. >> few things i have to ask you before i let you go. ah, one, of course, is about the fact that you are one of the first black men that i ever saw on television that embodied science and technology for me. i was on a med school track before i came to my senses and went into something steady like journalism, and i wonder what your future looks like with "star trek." >> um, it's an open-ended universe, you know, "picard" is shooting now, their second and
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third seasons, i believe. i think it's reasonable to expect that you might see some of his old friends show up before all is said and done. >> and finally, what about "jeopardy!" there's been talk about you being alex trebek's successor. however do you feel about that? >> i'm "jeopardy!" fan. i have been since the days of art fleming. in many respects, joshua, i feel like i have been preparing my whole life for the job of hosting "jeopardy!" and should that job come my way, i would be exceedingly glad. >> the podcast is called "levar burton reads." you can subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. sir, it has been an honor spending time talking to you. i hope i haven't nerded out too much. >> you're all good, brother. all good. >> levar burton, thank you very much. still to come, the longer the pandemic lasts, the wider
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the covid relief bill that the senate passed today includes a $300 per week jobless benefit. that should help struggling americans hold on through the summer. new jobless numbers released yesterday show president biden's progress after his first full month in office. the overall unemployment rate fell to 6.2% overall. white, hispanic and asian-americans all saw unemployment drop, but for african-americans, that number got higher. it rose to 9.9%. black-owned businesses are also struggling. last year, when the government first sent out paycheck protection loans, many black business owners found themselves at the back of the line. for those businesses, the first batch of loans came later and in smaller amounts. even before the pandemic,
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black-owned businesses were more than twice as likely as white-owned businesses to be classified as at risk or distressed. all of this traces back to an issue much larger than the pandemic. the racial wealth gap. in the u.s., a typical white family has eight times the wealth oaf a typical black family. our next guest says he has a solution. his bank, one united, aims to, quote, solve the racial wealth gap. joining us now is kevin cohee, the ceo of one united. >> how are you? >> i'm well. your company gives six options to lead to generational wealth. talk about how those things would effect the racial wealth gap? >> understanding those things will definitely increase your net worth.
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having spent decades operating in black communities and getting intimately familiar with the needs of black americans financially, we know that these are the transactions that our community doesn't understand. there's never been anybody who's really taken the time to, in plain language, explain how these transactions work, and it's so difficult, as you may know to get people to read books and take classes, so, what we're doing is, we're using technology to fill that gap, to play the role of coaches, of a coach, if you will, in teaching black americans how to complete the transactions that will build their net worth. the idea is to do one or more of the transactions. our belief is, as you look at that chart you just showed with the -- with the eight times gap between white families and black families, that if you think about it, a single transaction can close that gap. >> right. >> and most cities, just the purchase of a home alone, if you
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purchased a home in most cities in the last three to five years, you would have built over $100,000 in net worth. so, while this difference is significant in today's dollars, the problem can be solved. what's needed is inspiration and motivation and somebody to make the effort to make sure that people understand how these transactions that can be complex actually work. >> i'm so fascinated by the fact and appreciative of the fact that you have murals of dr. king and malcolm x behind you. both of them viewed economic issues through a civil rights lens. there was nothing about their advocacy that was purely ideological. they were really directly involved with the economic well-being of black folks. talk about that a little bit, particularly the history of african-americans dealing with the financial system. it has not been a pretty story over the years.
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>> the history is, the reason that we have less wealth by black families is because of government policy, both laws and policies that systematically denied us the opportunity to build wealth. first, we were slaves. then we were freed. when we were freed, we were given no money, we were given no education and, in fact, what we faced was a series of laws that forced us to work for next to nothing. so, it's been an environment that was created by the government that systematically denied us access to opportunities. >> right. >> now, banks are one of the primary institutions that we're implementing that government policy. they were controlling access to resources and in this case, the access to the ability to buy a home and to buy it in a
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community where wealth was growing. that's the primary reason whites have more wealth than blacks is because they have access to the banks in order to get access to the capital to buy real estate. >> and before i have to let you go, what would you like to see done here on a larger scale? we have the covid relief plan, which is designed to shore up the economics of the americans in the short-term. what would you like to see done, either on the government level or in the private sector to help close this gap? >> to close the racial wealth gap, we're going to close the racial wealth gap, we're going to use technology to teach black americans the transactions that they need to understand to build the wealth. then we're also going to inspire them and then we're going to make it a community value. we want to be in a situation where the conversation you're having amongst your friends is, hey, joshua, what kind of insurance do you have, how much do that cost? hey, what kind of stocks do you own? how is that working out for you?
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we want to make financial literacy a core value and you can do that now, and that's the gift of the internet age, the thing that i our forefathers did not have was us really, truly being organized. the internet has really organized us and mek hissed us so we can create change in society and what one united bank is doing, you can think of our community as being a team that needs a coach to give them a play. and that's the role we play. >> kevin cohee. sir, appreciate you making time. thank you very much. >> thank you. coming up, covid-19 vaccinations in the european union may be lagging behind rollouts in the uk and the u.s. why is that? really? i'll check that out.
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president biden's covid relief bill passed the senate today. he called his first legislative achievement one giant step forward for his promise that help is on the way. this week, mr. biden also announced that america will have enough vaccines for everyone by the end of may. but how is the vaccine rollout going in other parts of the world, like europe? here's nbc foreign correspondent claudio lavanga. >> reporter: europeans literally rolled up their sleeves and kick-started the biggest
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vaccination campaign in the continent's history. they called it v-day and it was hailed as cooperation and solidarity. instead of buying them individually, member states allowed the european union to approve, buy and distribute covid-19 vaccines for them. >> our european vaccination days are a touching moment of unity and a european success story. >> reporter: but that success is turning into fail yaur. the vaccination campaign got off to a slow start. strict drug approval standard, by the european medicine agency and the need for it to consult with all 27 european nations before they are rolled out meant that the pfizer vaccines were approved weeks after the u.s. and the uk. then, astrazeneca announced it would initially deliver a third of the jabs it promised the eu, sparking recriminations and
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threats of legal action. the fact that the vaccine was produced in the uk, a country that left officially europe on january 1st, turned a health issue into a political one. the eu says it has secured at least 2.3 billion doses of vaccines from six companies. it has tried to step up the campaign, but a combination of the late start in vaccinations, delays and cuts in delivery of doses by pharmaceutical companies and the slow vaccination rollout on the ground by individual european nations mean that europe is significantly lagging behind the u.s. and the uk. but europe's vaccination program on the high seas, the european commissioner said that because of the difference in size, a single country might move as fast as a speedboat, why the eu is more like a tanker. now, some european countries have lost patience and are already jumping ship.
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recently, hungary and slovakia ordered vaccines produced in china and russia, even if they haven't been approved yet by europe. austria and denmark announced they are in talks with israel to build second generation vaccine production facilities in their own countries and cut loose from europe. yet another blow to europe's vaccination strategy and its attempt to catch up with the u.s. and the uk. >> that was nbc foreign correspondent claudio lavanga reporting. tomorrow night, we'll answer more of your questions about covid-19 and vaccines in our 9:00 p.m. eastern hour. please do email your questions to us, the address is or tweet us,
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of her groundbreaking solo album, "control." and it has one of my favorite songs. especially for anyone considering a career in politics. ♪ what you have done for me lately ♪ ♪ oh oh oh yeah ♪ politics. ♪♪ what have you done for me lately? ooh yeah ♪ ♪ >> it's a fair question. it's what we need ask our elected officials often. we have an answer today with the american rescue act passing the senate on party lines. but the question may are be more urgent than it has been in a long time considering how dissatisfactioned many americans are with today's politics. is now the time for a viable sizable third party? it may have been time for a long time. gallup polls have shone majority support for a third party since
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september of 2006 but now the support is higher than ever. in the latest survey, 62% of americans say that democratic and republican parties do such a poor job of representing the american people that a third major party is needed. this survey was done weeks after the attack on the capitol which explains the leap in support for add third party among republicans. it was just 40% back in september. now it's 63%. and not surprisingly independents are the strongest supporters. the poll was done before we knew of efforts by republicans to form an anti-trump third party. one leader of that effort, evan mcmullin spoke to as you few weeks ago. >> it's better for the country that there are two healthy parties committed to democracy. we should all be committed to that. and the republican party if it has to go through a period of division in order to recommit to democracy and our founding values and if that means losing a few races, losing some -- aro
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elections in order to retool and become a pro democracy party committed to our values, then it's worth it. >> now let's be fair. government workers and elected officials get a ton of things accomplished every day on the state and county and city levels. i'm guessing a lot of this is driven by what happens on capitol hill. and some of this just has to do with political leanings, making parties more progressive, conservative, or and this is a big one, more moderate. and that's what fast natures me most. that gallup poll, about a third party, also asked about party shifts. among the republicans, the plurality of them say the party should be more conservative than it is. independents who lean republican, say the same. but democrats they're very split. gallup found that most voters in the party say it should either stay the same or be more liberal.
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but the plurality of independents say it should be more moderate. then more liberal. and the smallest group says it should stay the same. if this poll is any indication, the voters who might become part of the party want something very different than the people in the party do. i'm starting to wonder if the real challenge for the parties is different than we might think. now, the threat to the gop is clear. the party is so we hadded to donald trump thaeps not pushing back against his rhetoric even after it gets people killed. but policy-wise the voters remain in sync. democrats know the nation's demographic with looking for alexandria ocasio-cortes than joe manchin. we have known that a rung time. but that's still ha party at odds with independents leaning its way. so if a party came along that appealed to those independents, a party for non-partisans, what
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would it look like? hopefully it would not lead to perpetual grid lock like in israel's parliament, the ken he is et. this month they hold the fourth national election in two years because the 17 factions in the ken he is et can't keep a coalition government together. i worry about third parties that rise to party as single issue parties. playing on the fears and frustrations of voters without a larger plan to govern. that's what happened in the uk with ukip, the party championing brexit. not only did it succeed but the britain conservative party burned through two prime ministers before a pro brexit leader boris johnson. and god forbid that a third party candidate exploits more of the worst impulses. that happened in the 1968 presidential race. nixon won. but a candidate with the american independent party won five southern states. he had been the governor of alabama. >> i say segregation now,
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segregation tomorrow and segregation forever. >> partisanship has gotten extremely pointsous. we've gone from telling constituents check out how i helped you to check out how i hurt them. with a third party focused on building a better us or just a new way tohi the goal is actually to do what's politically profitable for both major parties. it's about pleasing the parties, not the people. do we need a third party? or is there still time for our two major parties to do better? the covid relief bill stands to be a big accomplishment. but sadly that janet jackson song could well be about congress far too often. >> you ought to be thankful for the little things. but little things are all you seem to give. >> what have you done for us lately?
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apparently not enough to attract more voters who agree with you. president biden is calling for bipartisanship. perhaps he should have called for something else. results. and with that, we'd love to hear from you. especially if you are an independent or non-partisan voter. if you are an independent what would it take for you to join a party? maybe it's the democrats, the republicans, libertiarian, the green party, maybe a new party. but what would it take to win you other email us the week tweet us @the week msnbc. tell us your name where you live. keep it brief, 100 words or fewer. we'd love to hear from you if you were in a party but quit. what would it take to get you back? the week at sharing your demands tomorrow. we'll share you with tomorrow. the week has a new night fridays on peacock at 7:00 p.m. watch for free on the 57 or peacock
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