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nang you so much for letting us into your homes. we are grateful. "the beat with ari melber" starts right now. happy friday. >> thanks, nicolle. we're tracking news on matt gaetz later this hour. and we have a new ash the supreme court reports a new case, a report we've been working on we don't think you'll see anywhere else. that is later in this hour tonight. our top story is another breakthrough, a breakthrough on covid. the fda approving emergency use of the new vaccine for kids, medical leaders heralding the news. >> as a mother and as a physician, i know parents,
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caregivers, school staff and children have been waiting for today's authorization, vaccinating younger children against covid-19 will bring us closer to returning to a sense of normalcy. >> this is for the same age range that's been under discussion, kids 5 through 11. the schedule suggests that children could begin getting the shots by as soon as wednesday. this is good news for many families. experts see a path for covid to join the long list of vaccines that kids take when they go to school, like measles, mumps, otherwise obviously bad things as schools require vaccination against. the history is that includes schools in very republican areas, just like democratic ones. while there are things that people can debate in this pandemic era -- liberty, consequences, tradeoffs -- the fact is, if you are watching this news right now in america -- and this is the live
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real news, then you're living in a society that has long used these vaccine rules to keep people safe. for many decades, it just want the controversy that some are claiming it to be, including people who previously followed their own vaccine rules, either at school themselves, because they went to school in this country, or for their kids lately. that brings us tonight to the so-called adults in the room. because the rubber is hitting the road. tonight the deadlines arrives, for example, for new york city workers to get vaccinated. there may be a shortage of public officers and firefighters, first responders, people who serve in the public sector, who are resisting these rules, especially interesting whether they're usually people who require others to follow the rules. you see this week it's had some antivax protests, roughly 1900 holdouts. over in red mississippi, the
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governor is trying to defy the vaccine mandate with pushback. or down in florida governor desantis still suing the biden administration over the same mandates. you take it all together tonight, we're living through a policy process that started with carrots, here's a vaccine, now it's free. here's a shot, or a beer, a pizza for it. let's hold hands and do it together. when that didn't work, it turns to the stick, with more requirements. that's for the adults, whether think act like adults or not. the stuff with kids, what is coming first, is at option, but eventually if we're living through what it looks like we'll live there, joining these other things like measles and mumps, you get a choice or you need to get them vaccinated, because they're going to be with other kids, this is not a real act of controversy. this is something that is a product of a political moment in
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our time and perhaps, if you want to be charitable, a lot of misinformation on the internet that has people who didn't used to get this confused, but the confusion is dangerous. dang rules to yourself and your family, in a society where we interact, we eventually get off of zoom, dangerous to others as well. with that in mind, i want to bring in two experts on the politics and policy. professor kristina greer, and dr. zeke emanuel, provost of global initiatives at the university of pennsylvania. dr. emanuel, we are seeing this rubber hitting the road. your thoughts? >> yeah, well, i think first of all, for kids, it's very important to get them vaccinated, and i think we will enhance the uptake, because it will be through pediatrics offices where the pediatrician can reassure a family.
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parents should remember, you know, over the next few months and years, you're either going to get covid or a vaccination, and getting covid is a lot worse than getting a vaccine, even for children. the other thing i would say -- >> you put it so starkly. would a doctor say that responsibly to a patient? hey, it's one or the other? >> actually, ari, i shouldn't take credit for what i said, because it was actually a paraphrase of a doctor at the nih, who is an expert in cellular immunology, and these kind of viral diseases. so, yes, doctors will say that, because it's true. >> interesting. and then the other point you wanted to raise? >> i just want to raise, you know, we've seen this situation again. you come close to a deadline for vaccine mandates and everyone who is against them says, you know, we're going to walk out,
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and suddenly you see a big up surge in people taking the vaccine. we have seen over the last 9% of the new york police department, when they say we're not taking it, suddenly getting the vaccine. same with the fire departments. as a deadline gets close, and your choice is getting the shot or losing your paycheck, you're going to get the shot, because it really isn't that big a deal. we should remember, in new york city, more policemen have died of covid, many more, than have died of gunshot wounds. that's a bad story. that should melt the opposition to the vaccine. >> professor? >> well, i agree with the doctor. i want to remind people. what we could focus on are the more than two thirds of police, fire and emts who actually have gotten the vaccination. hopefully they will say this is what i'm doing to protect
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myself, my family and the public we've been sworn to protect and serve. when you think did fdny firefights who oftentimes live together for a week at a time, one would think they have seen enough. they and emts have gone to emergencies as they have died of covid. same with police officers begging to wear masks. i want to talk about the over two thirds of all three of throws departments doing the right thing. we started with carrots, right? people even got financial incentives. because they don't want to protect the safety of citizens all across this city, now we have to sort of start talking about unpaid leave, and questions about whether or not there was enpension or overtime, and it's not really on the leadership sort of making them take the vaccine. i would say, of police officers and firefighters, emts should
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say why do you continue to put us and the citizens of new york city at risk? you've seen what ravaged the city last year, and people are still obstinate and believing the big lie. >> dr. emanuel quoted an nih doctor. professor, i will quote mace, m.a.-dollar sign-e, it was the double entend ray of 24 karats or more. dr. emanuel, in all serness, joe biden did feel that energy. he said publicly on the record. we don't want to do mandates, we want to get this participation up. there's a tendency to jump on to
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next thing in the news, but we're tracking these deadlines, because it is the policy in new york. it is what biden is trying to do. and everyone has the right to sue. >> even in the absence of a pandemic, i remind viewers. the court has said, you can make this kind of requirement for safety without the existence of a pandemic, well, this is a pandemic, a stronger art. are we going to see a surge in the weeks ahead? >> we have seen a surge in the last week, and i agreed, we will see a surge in the weeks ahead. you have already seen in alabama where the governor ivy has said, you know, we're going to resist these mandates, university of alabama, because it's got money
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at stake, has instituted a mandate for the university, auburn the same, federal funds come with this requires for a mandate, and that will shift a lot of employers as well. getting the vaccine is the right thing to do. one last data point, which i this i is so important. if you look at states, there's a high correlation between states with high vaccine mandates and low hospitalization rates. >> imagine that. >> right? this works. and all of this misinformation, it doesn't work, that's nonsense. all of the data shows it works. is it flawless? no. some people with a vaccine do get a breakthrough and do get a serious infection, the vast majority of people in the hospital and end up dying, unfortunately because of the covid, they're unvaccinated.
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adam kinzinger is not running for reelection, take a quick listen to where he's been on some of this. >> this is outrage politics being played by my party. >> putting out fund-raising that first it's going to be a -- and that's not going to happen. that's playing on people's fear. it's absolute insanity. the best thing we can do is point out the role that these politicians are playing in creating fear. the vaccine is safe, covid is real, get vaccinated. >> a voice of dissent, but he's leaving, professor. >> what we said time and time again, the vestiges of the trump era will be calling facts into question. republicans are saying i can't win the primary, i don't have
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support, so they're leaving. the former president is tweeting one down, nine to go, -- two down, eight to go. they're so afraid of the trump base, they don't want to be out there that much saying it. it says a lot about where the republican has devolved and how they're still letting donald trump lead them down a path of literally death and destruction. it is beyond clear that covid is real. however, if you had right-wing media saying it's the liberal elease literally making up deaths, deaths that aren't happening in hospitals, they want to see them, we are creating they false numbers, and it's a vaccine to try to control us. i don't know how that is, but then we have celebrities following suit. celebrities who tend to be
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left-leaning, but now with the right talking points. unless people start using common sense, and listening to science. >> i hope people are listening. we are here. thank you both very much. coming up. we want president biden on the world stage, with talk of a breakthrough, meeting with a pope unlike any we have seen before. and an update on the matt gaetz probe. billionaires trying to use american courts to target the free press and critics. it's an under-the-radar attack. tway with me. under-the-radar atk tway with me old. unlike other cold medicines, coricidin provides powerful cold relief without raising your blood pressure be there for life's best moments with coricidin. now in sugar free liquid.
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we're at a critical junction tur for the biden administration. the president meeting with the pope today, and the white house trying to get everything done form there was a roller coasteral day. nicolle was saying, at some point you have to take the deal. there's even questions about whether this might be stalling out. politico, which sometimes sets the mood for at least a few hours had this headline -- biden already won. there's signs that the holdouts will ultimately pals it. but someone may have forgotten
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to tell politico, because they have another piece that says biden tried and stumbled, now has suffered clearly, quote, a blow to the agenda. they're talking about the same story, and i've said it on air myself, sometimes it's hard to know what's going on. anyone tracking this, a news viewer, a newsperson, someone in politico, i field you, are they winning? like biden, obama has traveled overseas, trying to deal with domestic battles. he was actually in mexico in 20 09d during some of those heated obamacare battles. is a loan even wrote of the healthcare horror, and he had trouble back home with competing, fluctuating drafts of obamacare. we actually went back to show you that to make a point. it's a point about intellectual
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humility, even for us in the news, that yeah, it looked like he was in trouble, until he wasn't. that sense was moment tear, and sometimes when you pull out, you realize whatever battles, congress wasn't the issue. indeed there's someone who knows all about that long haul. it's david plouffe, of course, one of president biden's most senior and trusted divorce. we'll get into it with him. we're back in 60 seconds.
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we are joined by david plouffe. your thoughts on this points, is there moment tear lapse, or is this in trouble, because they've been claiming it's over for a while now? >> yeah, ari, i think the
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nothing that somehow this is a huge blow to the biden presidency, history suggests that quite strongly. he's able to tell these leaders around the world he's on the precipice of signing major climate investments, changing their stacks trier. they won't ask, when is the vote going to happen? they'll be excited he made progress. listen, maybe it falls apart. i would be shocked by that. you're basically waving a white flag at that point and maybe the politics of next years. this will pass, and the democrat -- >> so you're saying odds of passage are? >> exceedingly high. it will be shocks, tragic, unprecedented to be on the goal line and basically say we're just going to let it fall apart. a, this is executing on this,
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the actual execution of making sure this gets distributed properly. then there's the -- and i'll tell you from experience, it's hard enough to sell a single piece of legislation that maybe has one big idea. really hard these days. it's really hard to do this with a big package. it all ladders up. but for child care, for university pre-k, for elder care, you have to reach the audiences that care about it, and not just tell them what's in it, but make sure people know it. this is a cornerstone of next year's election, and the entire debate has been democrat on democrat. you have to say these people haven't lifted a finger to protect people. >> you make a good point. because of the time it's taken, it's drawn attention to
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differences between democrats, which exist, i think that's clear, but they're not as vast as the other differences, and paid family leave is an example where joe manchin decided he was going to strip it out of the bill. that's one thing. it's also a reminder there aren't any republicans among the 50 there who have talked about family values, or spending time with your kids, or why family is more important than others things, who actually seem to be anywhere interested in supporting that for american families. that's a contrast. people make up their own mind whether it's good or bad, but i do want to press you on this. you bring a democratic perspective. this is part style, part substance. take a look at how long joe biden has been claiming this was done or victory and whether it was stylistically right or wrong. take a quick look. >> we have a deal.
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none of us got everything we wanted. >> i know we have an historic framework. no won got everything they wanted, including me. >> is theres in misstep here in telling the public so many times they have a deal when they haven't passed a deal. >> i think he was probably given assurances. i think the misstep is this is a historic piece of legislation. a year ago we're on the precipice of the election, trump versus biden, if you had said trump gets defeated, democrats win the senate, in addition to the covid relief bill, you're going to have a package like this, infrastructure and the human piece? i think we all would have been excited, but when it's compared to the $3.5 trillion that hung out there for months, we we should have fast-forwarded quite frankly to the reality. that's the one thing i would critique, but the big challenge is most americans don't have much sense of what's in these
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pieces of legislation. the infrastructure is easier to sell. that's more familiar, mo visible, but it will take a lot of work, effort and money and you'll do that through media, but i think democrats will have to spend a lot of money doing that. that will be my one critique. for the most part there are things that i would wish for, but 50 with no margin, you know, this is probably the most joe biden could get with this composition. >> you make it an interesting point. david, if you're right, if it passes, i think it will be certainly true, that they will have passed a social domestic spending package larger than anything that president obama did in eight year, and the aftertaste that think went small, if they did that compared to the other eight, and the differences in politics, but if
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that aftertaste is meager, that would suggest a messaging probable more than substance problem. i leave it to you, because we don't do predictions, but i would love to have you back as soon as next week, if you're around. >> sure. of course. let me tell everyone what we're doing next. our beat team here of journalists has been working on something very important. it has to do with an important ruling on martin luther king and civil rights and how billionaires are attacking free speech and how putin kills people. this is something the right wing is trying to get before the supreme court. it's our special report, next. e supreme court. it's our special report, next. we can help actively repair enamel in its weakened state. it's innovative. my go to toothpaste is going to be pronamel repair. dog barks you're right bunker, the medicare enrollment deadline is almost here. my go to toothpaste if you're on medicare and you want to explore your options, the deadline to enroll is
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if you get on the wrong side of millionaires, they can ruin your life. that's what peter thiel did to gawker. vladimir putin has an entire army, but he uses the threat of expensive legal attack to say blunt criticism even abroad. first, why is this in the news now? because today, the supreme court heard from people who want to give billionaires and press critics even more power to
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attack and harass the free press and free speech. this relates to two cases that have gained some traction on the right, where there is an appetite for more ways to just hammer the press. i don't mean just criticizing the press. i mean a formal operation with many planks, one of which is pushing harder libel policy, as donald trump demanded. >> we're going to open up the libel laws, so when they write falsely, we can sue the media. >> that's a direct admission. a politician who's been challenged and held accountable by media reporting, wants to sue the media. and he did. donald trump is suing "new york times" right now, but this is much broader than him. devin nunes sues "the washington post" and "esquire." and conservative oan suing msnbc
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and rachel maddow on a weak defamation claim. now, full disclosure, as journalists, we do have a professional interests in these kinds of issues and cases, but tonight, this special report right now will bring you many sources. put my word aside, and just see what independent judges concluded. they ruled that msnbc won and was entitled to extra legal fees because the defamation claims were so baseless, politicians are pushing this. in trump's ease addition kneel gorsuch is citing without fact checking or editing and use ignorance is bliss approach. certainly it's a valid concern compared to the print era when these libel laws mostly
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developed. there is more speech and more propaganda on the web that masquerades as journalism. from to spread a catchy, clique-y conspiracy, and i hoot court has not yet agreed to take a case challenging this, but it's in the news, because it's already going all the way up to the court. it's what trump and gorsuch want. those claims from the justice that i just read about the internet are actually a really long ways from how the supreme court developed these protections for free speech, to try to make sure that people could not crush reporters and other critics with these kind of libel lawsuits. i want you to stay with me right now. this may be the most important thing that i talk to you about tonight. the actual, actual history is instructive. it started right here, with the
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ku klux klan coordinating with an alabama official to crack down on civil rights protesters in the early 1960s. it was a very tense time with state and vigilante violence waged ruthlessly against black citizens and specifically black protesters. then this official, l.b. sullivan, used official power against protesters. how did they respond? not with violence, not with insurrection. these black activists, these civil rights protesters, responded at the time with speech. they wrote down words. it was hard for black activists to be heard or published at all. there was no internet, let alone twitter, so they bought ad space in the "new york times," criticizing how officials there, that i just showed you, working with the klan, how they were trying to treat martin luther
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king. now, these citizens, they activists, they were just people. they didn't have a newsroom of fact checkers or professional process. they did get some points incorrect. so this person i told you about, sullivan, seizes on that and sues them for alleged libel. sullivan lost. the civil rights activists won. the supreme court ruled that free speech gets very strong protection, including the idea that people can sometimes get things incorrect without having to be dragged into court or fined or bankrupted, as long as you don't deliberately lie with actual malice, knowledge that it's false against a public official. the cord found the alternative, to not have that protection, would tip the balance too far towards powerful people, like sullivan, who worked with the klan, who could outspend and bankrupt to say critics. that ruling that's back in the news, that's what protected the
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civil rights leaders, other citizens, and so many journalists for really the past 60 years. that's what meme are asking the -- people are asking the court to overturn. england makes it easier to sue for libel. it puts the burden on the defendant. that has made england a legal destination for powerful people to mess with their critics. this is how we get to putin. putin is a dictator with an army, a cyber-army, a spy service that literally poisons people. he has many powerful tools, jokes around with other leaders, that just getting rid of reporters.
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>> mr. president, are you a killer? [ laughter ] >> translator: he dplibtly wanted to be arrested, so he did what he wanted to do. if someone had wanted to poison him -- >> if all of your political opponent are dead, poisoned or in prison -- >> there you go again, mr. president, what about america? when i've asked you about rush '. >> one of the most powerful media bosses is under arrest. >> he's sending a message, those force are are in danger and they should beware. >> a leader who wields that kind of power can be scary. yet the press has its own sway, especially outside of russia. it remains a threat. as the u.s. consideration weakening they laws, know where
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putin goes to attack his critics. to the uk. even if journalists are courageous there, he goes for the corporate publishers, and uses the laws that the right is trying to replicate here in america. this is all really out in the open. i want to show you the specific evidence. take the book "putin's -- their company's risk tolerance, in light of their limited resource. it just meant they could go bankrupt fighting putin in court. after another book came out last year, it faces more. experts say they russian cases in foreign courts are not just
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about crushing that particular writer, but deterring anyone who would investigate russia's elite. a saudi millionaire is attacking an american reporter, suing her in england to get around u.s. free speech protection. the writer ended up caught in a very expensive, international plot. >> i told the truth. i do not live in england, but the book was published there. >> she refused to go to england for the case, so their courts ended up fining her a quarter million dollars. these are writers, journalists, researchers. remember? people can't afford this. the uk also ordered the book destroyed in that proceeding. so it turns out, america, it's not just the food that's much worse in english. sick burn, but true. it's not just the food. it's also their free speech
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laws, which suck. like the food. now, if the legal outcome here sounds messed up, you're not alone. the u.s. congress was so outraged by that foreign teamed to stifle that writer, that the congress did something very rare. it reached a bipartisan consensus to pass new laws protecting the american press and the american public from these kind of foreign libel claims. in a unanimous voice vote. president obama signed it into law. one businessman openly attacks our first amendment, a constitutional lawyer turned politician reminds us. it was something that president obama advocated in his farewell address. >> protecting our first amendment rights are vital to who we are. an order not based on military power or national affiliations,
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but built on principles, the rule of law, human rights, freedom of research, speech, assembly, and an independent press. [ cheers and applause ] >> that order is now being challenged. >> an outgoing president's warning, citing the threat of modern demagogues like trump or putin, but also this wider tendency to crack down on speech, which goes back much farther across world history. wherever the powerful seek to oppress people, you will usually find efforts to suppress their words and ideas. operatives want to overturn a supreme court precedent that established the right of civil rights activists to protect the treatment of martin luther king in america. the words the government really
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wanted to suppress and punish down there were the words of those activists. as we reflect on alternative justice systems, be it in england or putin's russia, it's worth recalling that martin luther king reflected on this as well, challenging america and american courts for what kind of free society we had or wanted to have. he did it until the end. he did it in the final speech the day before he was murdered in america. as with he see this effort to reverse free speech protection in our country, we should reflect long and hard about how we got them, what it looks like when you don't have them. in that realm, dr. martin luther king gets the last word on this tonight. >> if i lived in china, russia, even any totalitarian country,
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the first being election since 2020 is coming in virginia next week. it's been pretty close. we've been covering it a lot on msnbc. democrat terry mcauliffe has been doing everything, including getting a boost from president biden. that's what brings us to what you see on the screen. we wouldn't want you to miss out this comparison from none other than stephen colbert. >> the real star of the show
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last night was terry mcauliffe's dance moves. look at that vanilla shake. he also boogied with barack, did whatever this is is kamala harris, and then this last week. there you go. now, we checked, quality dancing is not a prerequisite for big a governor. none of this matters, but that is some of what is playing out there. that's something a little fun in virginia. we also have an update, as promised, on a different story. congressman matt gaetz. he's under investigation regarding a corrupt ring in florida, concerns about sex with a minor. he denies the allegations. a week ago there was a major development in this case. two new prosecutors were added to the team, who specialize in
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child exploitation and public corruption. gaetz's guilt associate joel breen berg has been cooperating with authorities. greenberg's sentencing has been pushed back multiple times, prosecutors saying his allegations take us to places we did not anticipate. greenberg's attorney made a lot of waves with something that might have sounded like conjecture. now that we are putting pieces together like adding those prosecutors, it's more interesting to consider he said this. >> reporter: does matt gaetz have anything to worry about? >> that is such a brought -- i'm sure matt gaetz is not feel comfortable today. >> he denies all allegations and has not been charged.
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friday "the beat" and we're falling back in person. look who is here. we have two fantastic guests onset in the building. brian williams premiere music journalist leads all kinds of mtv news complex and interviewed musical luminaries like drake, jay-z and will smith. >> brian b. dot miller. >> i know your name because i know you for real. b dot hosted our podcast on title and hosts the show "brackets" on complex and we're joined by author barbara res. she worked in the trump
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administration and spoke out about him. the book "tower of lies, what my 18 years of working with donald trump reveals." welcome to both of you. >> thanks for having me. >> i love it. i love being physically here. >> i know, right. none of that zoom stuff. >> are you a clone? >> no, this is me. i'm a real person. >> just making sure. >> my fall back is real quick. >> okay. >> the haters of candy corn. candy corn haters need to fall back. candy corn is back. >> candy corn is free and free is my favorite f word. >> barbara, what is your list? >> mitt romney. he's a man that's got to fall back not just now but send him back to 2012. he comes out with this thing to explain to people what a trillion is. so he says i want you to understand this very, very big number and he decides to say think of it in seconds and we'll start with a million. a million seconds passed and that's like a couple weeks ago
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and then when you go to a billion seconds, well, that's when george h.w. bush was president but a trillion, a trillion takes you back to when neanderthals walk the land. first ofall, neanderthals are walking the senate. think of it this way, a trillion dollars is like four times what microsoft's net worth is. >> it almost makes you wonder if he's trying to confuse and district people whether the billionaires are paying their fair share. >> absolutely. you ask a billionaire or multi millionaire like romney, should you have a millionaire's tax or billionaire's tax. it's like asking a saloon keeper in 1919 when he thinks of prohibition. >> i like that one. a special guest, you are beloved in hip-hop. you do a lot of good work. we actually made something
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special, those that know and those that may need to learn. let's look at b. dot. >> i still can't believe we're here. cheers, cheers. y'all made it. >> 444. >> the podcast, i must have done something right. >> musically, criticism how some people say drake is appropriating this culture of music for your personal gain. how do you feel about those critiques? >> i think they're -- it's cura people not on this boat to begin with. >> you do big things. >> i want that on my funeral. put it on the big screen. i need that. thank you. >> are you pulling drake and saying play this at my funeral. >> that will come in handy one day. >> i heard at your funeral they have to come in and do the fake cry, treat these other rappers like it's lunchtime. >> you really speak hip-hop,
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man. >> what's on your fall back list? >> mark zuckerberg and facebook, meta? how young do you have to be to go through a name change. i come from name changes in hip-hop. sean combs and puff daddy and diddy and love. if it ain't broke, don't fix it. i kind of scene this movie before. facebook is the one that stole your data and stuff allegedly but meta didn't do anything. >> yeah. >> who is meta? you know what i mean? i'm still calling it facebook. matter of fact, i think i'm speaking too much because i don't want to get banned on instagram or facebook. >> they might be listening. >> they might be. i think i need to fall back. >> number one, the only thing that listens more than the streets is the algorithm. >> that's true. [ laughter ] >> number two, since you mentioned branding. >> yes. >> do you think that the people,
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a lot of people that use facebook, which is really a wide age range will be okay with this or fooled by it or do you think this is them trying to be too cute with it? >> it's edgy. like, we -- facebook is, what, 15 years in so far, give or take? people are used to what they are used to. it will be facebook whether you change it, flip it or reverse it. it will be facebook no matter what. >> barbara? >> i don't care. i had to look up meta. he's moving ahead. he's getting better, reaching the pinnacle of what it is. that's what meta is. >> yeah. >> mea is a name for facebook? >> it's a corporate name rebrand to seem like district, the only meta i like is meta world news. >> i think when you get older, you're allowed to do this. i'm calling meta b.s. >> hey, you're calling it b.s.? >> absolutely. >> you do get to do that. i want to say in closing to two
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people i love talking to, i told you in pandemic we would come back and have coffee. i'm thrilled to have you barbara be part of the physical return to fall backs and d dot, your first time, not your last time. >> yo, man. you get that gravy, man. come through for you. appreciate you having me here. i wear my good clothes. >> you guys like good together. thanks to everyone. that's "the beat." the "reidout" with joy reid starts now. have a great weekend. great conversation, cheers, happy halloween. >> good evening, everyone. happy halloween eve, eve. we've got a lot to get to in the next hour including the dangerous new lows in fox news and rupert murdoch's news empire and i'll speak with kimberly crenshaw a leader scholar of critical race theory of banning books and

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