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his family, all holding guns, just days after that school shooting. we'll get reaction from a parent of one of the kids killed in parkland. omicron now detected in more than a dozen u.s. states. plus, a new requirement for foreign travelers coming into the country takes effect tomorrow. what's next in the fight against the new variant? >> it's clear not just that it's here, but it's spreading. it's just that we haven't known to look to it already. new signs emerge of a possible invasion of ukraine. while president biden prepares for a key meeting with vladimir putin this week. good morning, everybody. it is sunday december 5th. i'm lindsey reiser. we begin this morning with more of that breaking news in pontiac, michigan, where several investigations into tuesday's school shooting are ramping up. james and jennifer crumbley, the parents of the suspected shooter ethan crumbley, you see them in
the top left on your screen, pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter in this virtual court appearance. investigators in detroit are also looking into someone who may have helped them allegedly hide from polic in this downtown detroit warehouse. the decision on filing charges will ultimately be up to the prosecutor. the superintendent of the school district where the shooting happened is reacting to the prosecutor's comments about their alleged missed opportunities to prevent the shooting. in a letter, that superintendent saying, quote, i've asked for a third party investigation to be conducted so we leave no stone unturned, including any and all interaction the student had with staff and students. and new overnight, more tributes to the victims. last night, at the big 10 conference championship game, the university of michigan wore patches with four hearts representing the victims. you can see the patch right here in this picture. it also included the number 42, which was the football jersey number of tate meyer, one of the
high school students killed. they won the game, scoring exactly 42 points. nbc news correspondent megan fitzgerald is live in pontiac for us this morning. megan, what's the latest in this case? >> reporter: lindsey, good morning to you. we've been talking to parents and students in this community. there's a deep sadness, obviously. people are mourning. but over the last several days that we have been here, we have seen emotions go from shock to deep sadness, which certainly remains, but it's also turned into anger. there's a lot of frustration here that the attack could have been prevented. a lot of people looking to the school and questioning why they allowed this student, this suspect to return back to class after those shocking revelations by a teacher, seeing the suspect with this drawing depicting a gunman shooting another person, very graphic details, which prompted, of course, the parents to come to the school. the school superintendent saying that there was no disciplinary
action that was warranted, but now calling for a third party investigation to take a look at the actions of the school and to have full transparency for this community. meanwhile, the suspect and his parents are in the jail behind me here, after police went on a several-hour, more than ten-hour manhunt, looking for the parents, making that arrest yesterday early morning. in court yesterday, when the parents were arraigned, their attorney tried to make the case that their suspects weren't running, they weren't fleeing police. they were going to turn themselves in. but i want you to listen as to how the sheriff described that. take a listen to what they said. >> we're looking for them. if they show up, fine. but we're not going to sit at the front desk and tap our fingers until they come in. we were out actively looking for them, working with our partners, and they were taken into custody whether that question was asked and answered. were they actually going to do it, i don't know. but given that they were hiding in a warehouse in detroit, it certainly raises my eyebrows.
>> reporter: you heard the sheriff there say "hiding." that playing into the hands of the prosecution yesterday when they made the case that these two suspects need to remain in jail, that's why they asked the judge to set this $500,000 cash bond for both of the parents, jennifer and james crumbley, and the judge agreed, making the case that they are a flight risk. lindsey? >> megan fitzgerald, thank you for starting us off. joining us, cynthia oxney, and laura altadef is too familiar with situations like this. her daughter was killed in a school shooting in 2016. laura, just one day after the michigan shooting, a 17-year-old
at marjory stoneman douglas was arrested, accused of making a threat against the school. but back to the michigan case here, you have said that the school in michigan could and should have done more. what's your reaction to the announcement of this third party investigation? >> there absolutely needs to be an investigation. the school should have done an behavioral threat assessment and make sure this is not a threat and if it is, they need to be doing something. law enforcement should be involved, mental health counselors. they need to sit down and have gone through this threat to make sure that this student didn't have access to guns and wasn't going to have a threat and kill anybody that day. the school is at fault. they should have done a behavioral threat assessment. >> and cynthia, we know that the school district has said that
counselors did meet with this student, and there have been questions about why wasn't the backpack searched. and the superintendent said, it's not clear at what point the student did have the weapon on him. as a prosecutor looking from that lens, could any school or district official or officials face any legal ramifications here? >> there will definitely be legal ramifications. i'm sure the school district will be sued. there are a lot of steps that go forward before you require a student to open his locker or require a student to open his backpack, but there's no indication here anybody even asked him, do you have a gun? he was drawing pictures of guns and blood and people shot up and there were a lot of warning signs. and as far as we can -- as far as the evidence that's come out so far and more may come out, no one said to him, do you have a gun? no one asked the parents, do you have access to a gun? and for the record, the parents also didn't ask, where is my gun? you don't have my gun, do you?
so things went terribly wrong here. and terrible mistakes were made. and the question will eventually be whether or not they're civilly liable. my guess is they will end up being civilly liable, but there's a lot to know still about what happened. clearly, they should have asked him if he had a gun. they should have not let nim hymn back in the classroom and called the police if they thought he was a genuine threat. just things didn't go well here. >> cynthia, civil ramifications, not criminal? >> i don't know yet. i would guess civil. i would guess that's where the d.a. is. but the charges against the parents are a very aggressive charge. involuntary manslaughter against the parents, four counts. and remember that she can charge, but ultimately, she doesn't have the -- it's not ultimately her decision. it would be a jury's decision. and this is an area of the country that is very pro-second amendment gun rights. and it may very well be that she can't get a conviction, because
people don't think the parents should be responsible. you know, in the michigan legislature, many of us are talking about, oh, we need to have restrictive gun laws. instead, the republican chair, party chair wanted to make sure that the teachers had guns in the classroom. and that was the response to this shooting. there could be difficulty in getting a conviction in this involuntary manslaughter case. and i would think that extending a prosecution to the school district would be a bridge too far. >> lori, a kentucky congressman is taking heat from people across both aisles for posting this picture with the caption, merry christmas. ps santa,ammo. and he posted this four days after those teenagers were killed in that school shooting. what goes through your mind when you see something like this? >> it's upsetting. we should not be glorifying
guns. we should be looking to our elected officials to look ways to make change and take action and fix this problem and make our school safer, so when our kids go to school, day come back home alive. >> lori alhadeff, thank you so much for joining us. cynthia, our thanks to you as well. up next, the u.s. clamps down on foreign travelers starting tomorrow, because of that variant that may be the most mutated version we've seen so far. but the surprising data point from the w.h.o on how many omicron deaths they've seen so far. and a little later in the hour, what happens if abortion rights become the defining issue of the 2022 midterms? a supreme court decision on the fate of roe v. wade is expected smack dab in the middle of peak campaigning and some conservatives are already worried. ing and some conservatives are already worried. similar. until always discreet invented a pad that protects differently.
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more states are confirming cases of the omicron variant as it spreads across the u.s., just as new covid infections are ticking upwards post thanksgiving. at least 16 state have confirmed cases of omicron. and health officials say they expect that number to climb. the new variant is spreading twice as fast as the delta variant, according to a study out of south africa. of course, much more data is needed, but this is all coming as officials fear a winter surge. and one place where infections are on the rise is north carolina. liz mclaughlin is live in raleigh this morning. so liz, what are officials saying there? >> reporter: good morning, lindsey, a new rise in those new coronavirus cases after thanksgiving, as you mentioned, nationwide. but here in north carolina, the department of health reported 3,700 new cases on friday. the third day in a row new cases exceeded 3,000. that's above average and that's in a state that has a vaccination rate of over 70%. so in other states with those lower vaccination rates, particularly in the midwest,
we're seeing higher spikes right now, nationwide, a rise over 5% more deaths from covid-19 and about 20% more covid new covid-19 cases. we are seeing an increased demand for these vaccines. part of that is eligibility for the boosters and increased fear around that omicron variant. so some places that used to have walk-in models, just accepted people, are moving to more appointments. but more people are going out and seeking that vaccine. we're hearing that is one of the best defenses here. but there's a lot we don't know. we spoke to some americans about how they're feeling, coronavirus concerns going into these holidays. let's take a listen. >> i think they need more data, for sure. i think if everybody like, if we do our part, like, getting our shots, being vaccinated, and keeping our masks on, like, at least for the indoors, we have
the impression like to be safe and doing our part -- >> got my mask, got my vaccination card, i'm going to keep going on with life. >> reporter: and there's a lot we don't know, scientists are testing right now vaccine efficacy against this new variant. but they say it is one of our best defenses. especially the booster. increasing those antibodies can at least make it a milder case. so they're encouraging folks to go out and get the booster. and don't forget about the delta variant. that's still a big cause of concern and causing a lot of hospitalizations and deaths right now. there are appointments available, but you might need to plan a little bit ahead to get one of those appointments. lindsay? >> liz, thank you so much more that. and let's go ahead and put some of these questions to our medical contributor, dr. ebony hilton. doctor, good morning and thank you for being with us here. and we know omicron is spreading, but according to "the new york times," the minnesota man who got the variant after traveling to new york for that anime convention now says 15 of
his friends tested positive for covid. it's unclear if they have omicron. but by the way, masks and proof of vaccinations were required at this event and he says he got boosted, so how worrisome is this? >> it is one of those things that's worrisome for the simple fact that we oftentimes equate severity with death. but we know that many people have now been reported to have long covid. and that long covid is long-standing, permanent in some cases, of where your body is no longer functioning in the same capacity. and we have literally olympians reporting that they have now no taste, no smell, and it's been for weeks. and what does that mean? your brain is no longer functioning in the way that it once did. that's not a mild case. that is a serious thing to have to consider for the rest of life. and so it is very concerning that it is as transmissible as it is. and to me, that means we have to be hypervigilant. >> some of these cases, we know, are happening among people who have been vaccinated, but none
of the cases so far have resulted in death according to the w.h.o. so what does that tell you about this variant? >> and that is a phenomenal thing, that we don't want to lose any life. but again, i don't want to use that as our own metric of whether or not we are beating covid-19. but we know in south africa, the population of persons that are being infected are younger now. in fact, 80% of all of those being infected are less than 50 years. one in five are children who are less than ten. i'll repeat that. one in five are less than ten years old. we truly want to stress their body out, as their body is still developing into who they're going to be for the longevity of life, with this overwhelming inflammatory response, that causes them to have symptoms. so when we're approaching this and thinking about death, it could be just because the person is younger, which is fantastic. but it also could be, it's back to where the original covid-19 is life, that death came weeks later. we don't know yet, and that
information will come in, and unfortunately it only comes in through data, which unfortunately means it only comes in because more and more people are getting infected. i urge persons, you don't want to be a part of that data collection. protect yourself. avoid those indoor events and get those vaccines, get those boosters and make sure everyone you're around does the same. >> doctor, you've been pretty vocal about some of these restrictions on your travel page, because we know that some of those restrictions go into effect tomorrow. do you think that these travel restrictions, i guess travel restrictions from southern africa, but for foreigners coming into the u.s., they have to get that test within 24 hours, will that help in curbing the spread? >> that will not help when you have an anime convention in new york city that causes an outbreak, right? we are beyond that. and i think when we're looking at these travel bans, we have to understand that there is a cost that comes along with that, when you're targeting south africa, african continent, and making this an issue of a specific set of people.
we know the consequences of that when we had with the china virus, right? and how that targeted asian americans. it is not right. and in this case, it's not necessarily beneficial. instead of travel bans, we need low vaccination, we need to lift the ip, start sharing formulas with other countries in order to produce these vaccines, so we can reduce their risk of having another mutation, that can now cause a variant that may start vaccines, you know, not work for lack of a better word. so that's what we have to start doing. not these travel bans that don't prove themselves to be work. >> dr. ebony hilton, thank you so much for your time this morning. >> thank you. coming up, a fall from grace. star cnn anchor chris cuomo has been fired over his role in fighting his brother's sexual harassment scandal. what he and the network are now saying. ndal what he and the network arnoe w saying
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ran into a fire station, barricaded himself for several minutes. he was taken to the hospital for a leg injury. cnn's star anchor chris cuomo has been fired. it comes four days after the network announced he was suspended indefinitely for helping his brother, former new york governor andrew cuomo stave off sexual assault allegations. and in a statement yesterday evening, cnn said that additional information about cuomo had come to light. cnn's raf sanchez is following this story and joins us now. what changed in the days since his suspension announcement? >> chris cuomo was suspended earlier this week and fired last night after it emerged he played a much larger role than was previously known in helping to defend his brother, andrew cuomo. one of the things he said on air was that he did not call fellow journalists to try to help with his brother's case, but records released by the new york
attorney general's office this week appear to indicate that he actually did just that. and even described that practice as business as usual in the media. now, chris cuomo responded to his firing last night in a tweet. i'll read you some of it. it said, this is not how i want my time at cnn to end. but i have already told you why and how i helped my brother. so let me say, as disappointing as this is, i could not be more proud of the team at cuomo prime-time. now, that show, cuomo prime-time, often the top-rated show on cnn. cuomo was known for his fiery interviews, but last year, that show also raising some eyebrows, when cuomo did a series of kind of jokey interviews with his brother, the governor, right after covid had ripped through new york state. i want you to take a listen to one of those exchanges. >> in scale, this was the actual swab that was being used to fit
up that double barrel shotgun that you have mounted on the front of your pretty face. >> don't call me, i'll call you. >> what's wrong? i love you. i want you to know that. >> nothing. i love you. >> have a good night. >> now, on top of this conflict of interest business, there is also an allegation being reported by "the new york times" of sexual misconduct by chris cuomo with a junior colleague at another network. we don't have a lot of detail about that allegation, but chris cuomo, through a spokesman, has denied any wrongdoing on that front. lindsey? >> all right. raf sanchez, thank you. still to come, president biden gets ready for a call with vladimir putin as tensions between the two nations ramp up. ahead of a possible russian invasion of ukraine. we'll preview the high stakes meeting. prevw iethe high stakes meeting. better phone this holiday season? oh! i know, i know. giving a better phone on a better network.
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the kremlin is in advanced stages of planning an invasion of ukraine as early as next year. >> i'm not quite sure what they're going to do, but to me, that is a terrible -- going to have a terrible impact on the stability and security of our european friends. >> reporter: "the washington post" obtaining photos showing a russian troop buildup of more than 175,000. both the pentagon and white house monitoring the situation closely. >> we're going to continue to do everything we can to help provide ukraine the capability to protect the sovereign territory. >> reporter: a diplomatic tinder box as president biden prepares for a video call with russian president putin set to take place on tuesday. >> my expectation is we're going to have a long discussion. >> where mr. biden is expected to call out russia for its hostile rhetoric and recent military movements. >> we often talk about saber rattling.
i would say in this case, the saber has been drawn out of the sheathe and vladimir putin is aggressively waiving it in the face of the ukrainians. ukraine must stay steady, rely on the united states in this crisis. >> reporter: the provocations come as russia has demanded the u.s. guarantee that ukraine won't join the nato military alliance, but president biden has been career he rejected any such conditions. >> i don't accept anybody's red line. >> that was monica alba reporting. and joining us now to discuss what this impending invasion might mean for the u.s., secretary of state joel rube and msnbc military analyst, colonel jack jacobs. good morning to both of you. why should americans be listening and paying attention, if russia continues with its pressure campaign and aggression. and also, what should bye's strategy be going into this call? >> yeah, lindsay, what we're
watching right now in a very dangerous escalation towards ukraine by russia. russia, everyone has to remember, invaded ukraine into crimea, only six and a half, seven years ago, 2014, taking over and annexing a chunk of that country. so for europe, our key strategic allies from a national security perspective, europe is very much nervous on the front lines of a russian invasion. and for tuesday, president biden, he's going to have to really lay down some markers. the good news for president biden, he actually has reestablished the nato coalition's support countering russia, unlike the last four years and the previous president who let it fray and let vladimir putin feel that he could get his way. this president is standing strong along our allies, and hopefully after tuesday, vladimir putin will be clear in his mind that this is a low-cost, low-benefit move for him by invading ukraine. >> colonel, how far is president biden willing to go here to
defend ukraine? there's been talk of sanctions, but also the foreign minister of russia has scoffed that sanctions would have any effect. >> well, i don't think that the united states and certainly not the president is interested in seeing troops there to actually defend on the ground, or in the air, ukrainian space. we have to look at this in many respects. and one of them is that it's a test of the ukraine to see whether or not it's actually going to back down from the path, divert from the path of joining nato. it's also a test of this administration, of president biden, of secretary of defense lloyd austin, to see exactly what they're going to do. 170,000 troops is a lot of troops. it's 10 to 15 divisions on the border with ukraine. it's entirely possible that they may invade. one of the things that the president has to do is to ensure that putin understands that there will be consequences and
though the united states is not necessarily willing to put troops on the ground and defend ukraine, we have other means of deterring and stopping these kinds of actions, including cyber, which is dangerous in and of itself, but certainly more sanctions and more sanctions will definitely hurt putin himself. the people around him, and russia, lindsay. >> joel, on that note. do you think, though, that there would be support from the american people in terms of, again, we are a ways away from this, but potential american boots on the ground? >> you know, lindsay, i don't think anyone at this stage wants to contemplate that action. certainly, that's not something that the american people have been spoken to about. but i think what the general is pointing to, the sanctions route is one that is very powerful. and we have to remember that vladimir putin got involved in our election in 2016, largely because he wanted to find a way to get sanctions off of his
back, to get the magnitsky sanctions, in particular, which targeted him and his cronies, to get those reduced. so the american people do understand that vladimir putin has been coming after us for some time. so there is certainly going to be some political backing for a tougher line. military involvement, that is a whole other level. we must remember that 90% of the world's nuclear weapons are in our hands and russia's hands. there are significant nuclear stability talks always underway between the u.s. and russia. so those two tracks have to be plansed. but russia does need to understand that it cannot be invading the country on the heels of europe and get away with it. >> all right. joel ruben and jack jacobs, thank you both for your time this morning. >> thank you. coming up, he was a hero to qanon believers. he even endorsed the idea of a military coup here in the u.s. now the man who once received a pardon from former president trump for quote any and all possible offenses is set to appear in front of the january 6th committee. what to expect in michael flynn's deposition tomorrow.
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taking a live look right now outside at the beautiful christmas tree at 30 rock here. it's 7:43 a.m. eastern time. you see a lot of people out on the rink already. and look, the holidays can be a busy time for all of us. maybe off to-do list to keep everything straight. the same goes for congress. this is what's on their to-do list over the next few weeks. they've got to deal with the debt limit and defense spending bill. and senate majority leader chuck schumer wants to get build back better passed by christmas. the last one is a big focus for the president, who's trying to get his ambitious agenda passed before midterms. helping us keep track of this holiday to-do list in washington is lori eagan and julie sirken on capitol hill, this is a big week, what's on the schedule? >> reporter: just a few weeks
until the end of the year. not a lot of time before christmas. we expect the president on monday to give a speech on that build back better plan at the white house. he'll urge congress to move forward with this bill. we are now waiting on the senate to take some action. in that speech, we expect him to focus on the part of his plan that would lower the cost on prescription drugs. we've seen the president employ a similar strategy to this before, where he really hones in on specific parts of his plan that poll really well and are really popular with the american public. the white house press secretary did give us a bit of a preview of his speech on friday, listen to what she said we can expect to hear from him tomorrow. >> the president thinks that it's absolutely unacceptable that the american people are forced to pay the highest prices for prescription drugs in the entire world. two to three times as much as other developed countries. and this is an example of how build back better will reduce many of the biggest costs families face. >> the president on wednesday is
also expected to travel to kansas city, missouri. that event is being billed as an infrastructure event to tout the bipartisan infrastructure law that was passed just a few weeks ago. the president has done a number of these trips in the past few weeks. but each visit, he has used it as an opportunity to continue to make the case for build back better. we can expect him on wednesday to say, we've passed part one of my economic agenda with the infrastructure law. it's time now to pass part two. lindsey? >> julie, over to you. it's also a very busy time for congress. and specifically, the january 6th committee. what's the latest on that front? >> yeah, well, lindsey, the next couple of weeks, the committee is racing to finish a lot of the work they have left to do. and that includes hearing from a lot of high-profile witnesses a they depose under a subpoena. now, just this week, we expect a couple of those high-profile device to show up before the committee, some of them already saying that they're going to plead the fifth amendment. that's john eastman, i'm talking about, who told steve bannon,
ironically, on his radio show that that's what he's looking to do. eastman, if you don't remember who he is, a little pressure. he tried to pressure the former president. they also plan to hear from michael flynn. they also plan to hear from jason miller and bennie thompson, the chairman of the house select committee said in a statement, when issuing these subpoenas, he specifically wants to hear from these guys, because they, quote, drove a campaign of misinformation in the days leading up to january 6th. all of this happening as they're still working out a date for mark meadows, the former chief of staff to president trump to have him come in and try to get him deposed in front of the committee. last week, he started to cooperate with the committee and started to exchange some e-mails, providing some information, but his lawyer is still saying that he's using his executive privilege to not answer some questions surrounding january 6th. of course. that's the committee's scope here. let's listen to what adam
schiff, a member on the january 6th committee had to say about this. watch. >> what each of these witnesses, we'll have to evaluate them when they come in. mark meadows has this book out now where he describes conversations with the president about january 6th. if he did that, presumably he must have the president's permissions to discuss those communications, because he's been saying previously, they're all covered by executive privilege. if the president waived it so he could write this in a book, he cannot assert it now as to the same matters. >> now, the committee is expected to use the information in mark meadows book, essentially against him, to challenge his claim of executive privilege, if, in fact, he really does detail certain conversations with president trump, certain details that happened on january 6th. so we're going to look for that in the next couple of weeks, but we're also waiting to hear from jeffrey clark. remember, we were going to hear from him yesterday. he cited a medical condition and he can't appear until december 16th. we know he'll plead the fifth
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if the supreme court changes abortion rights in this country, could that lead democrats to change the supreme court? after hearing arguments in front of the high court this week, many believe a majority of justices are ready to overturn the precedent of roe v. wade. >> it's hard to think of something in the modern history of the united states that will be more epic than a ruling that either overrules or severely limits roe v. wade. it's so central to our understanding of what the supreme court is and does. >> reporter: justice sotomayor questioned whether the court could survive the stench of overturning such a major precedent. that's what former secretary robert reich tried to say writing, the supreme court is the one branch of government with neither the power to command obedience by force or gain it by doling out punishment.
so what lies ahead for both abortion rights and the highest court in the land. i want to welcome in emily gold waldman. actually, taryn rosenkranz is with me right now. emily, sorry that about -- i just did it again. sorry about that. i want to talk to you right now about obviously the immediate concern for a lot of people is what will happen with roe v. wade, but we're probably not going to get an answer, a ruling until potentially june, july, around the summer around peak midterm campaigning here. do you think this will be a galvanizing issue for voters? >> i definitely think. right now we're seeing a lethargic sort of democratic voter, who's just really tired of covid, of everything that's happening, of feeling like this is just never stopping and tired of politics and that divisiveness. but i think the fear, unfortunately, that a sea change is coming, because this undermines other rulings, is really significant. and i think that's going to activate the base and i think it's going to activate voters, particularly if we're seeing
this come at a time so pivotal to the midterms. summer is really the clinch time for people when they're trying to get out there and figuring out who they're voting for and motivating voters. >> do you see other issues like birth control, like gay marriage, like we've talked about, also potentially being issues that could come up and get revisited here? is that part of the concern and part of the strategy with messaging here? >> i definitely think that's part of the concern. if you've undermined this big, important law that was settled, what does that do to everything else? and that sea change i was talking about is really the fear. if that just opens up one issue, how many more will it do? what is it going to undermine? all of this progress that people feel we've made now feels endangered and very scary to so many. and that's really activating the base of democratic supporters, of activists, to really do what they can to protect their issues
and make sure that our rights are still protected. i couldn't agree more that it's concerning that the supreme court, which has tried to avoid being a political branch, so so entrenched in this. and i think people are very concerned. you know, with everyone who has recently been appointed to the court that this is going to be a very partisan, very political decision that could just, you know, unwind so much of the good work that's happened in the courts over the last decades. >> i want to bring in emily gold waldman now. same question to you when it comes to other issues that appear settled here like gay marriage, what's your thought on some of those being revisited? >> i think theoretically, that could happen because the underpinning of roe v. wade and casey was this idea that there are some fundamental rights, that are so fundamental, even though the constitution doesn't speak to them, it should be still seen as protecting them. once you pull that thread with
roe and casey, potentially it opens up other things, as well. that being said, i don't think that's what the supreme court is going to do, at least right now. i think if they do overturn it, it's going to be on narrower grounds. they're going to say, well, abortion just isn't one of those fundamental rights. but big picture, it obviously opens up a lot of things, the idea that we don't have stare decisis with any of them and the idea that future courts could revisit them. >> and that said, what happens to the public perception of the supreme court? that clip in the introfrom that op-ed that i read in the beginning here, in which public confidence in this body could erode, emily, do you think that that could happen if roe v. wade is in fact overturned? >> i do. i think you're already seeing polling suggests that that is what's happening. and i think if it really does happen, it's going to be even worse. up until last year, you had the supreme court still striking down abortion restrictions.
so to have things change that quickly with the composition of the court changing, i think does really mean that the supreme court takes a hint in the public perception. it does make it seem political to have things change that fast from one year to the next. >> we will all be watching and waiting for ruing in a couple of months. thank you so much for your time this morning. really appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. and thank you for watching msnbc reports. i'm lindsey reiser. i'll be back today at 3:00 p.m. eastern. "velshi" starts right now. today on "velshi," the january 6th select committee is ramping up its investigation in a big way, promising a public airing in vivid color of what happened every minute of the day of the capitol riot. plus, new clues as to why a certain failed former president
wants so badly to keep his phone records and other documents from that day a secret. then, mother, father, and son all being held in isolation from one another in michigan today, after the parents of a teen suspect in a mass school shooting were charged and apprehended in a dramatic manhunt. we'll get the very latest on this fast-developing story and talk to someone who literally wrote the book on holding parents legally accountable for preventable violence committed by their children. and we'll take you behind the scenes behind an abortion battle. the clinic at the center of the supreme court case that stands poised to end the legal protections afforded by roe v. wade. plus, a new clue that might explain why the omicron variant is more infectious. "velshi" starts now. good morning. it's sunday, december the 5th.
i'm ali velshi. it's been almost one year, and the house select committee investigating the deadly riot is planning to make its findings public soon. vice chair republican congressman liz cheney says the panel is set to hold a series of public hearings in 2022 that will paint the events that occurred on and leading up to the january 6th attack in vivid detail. >> next year, we will be conducting multiple weeks of public hearings, setting out for the american people, in vivid color, exactly what happened, every minute of the day on january 6th, here at the capitol and at the white house. and what led to that violent attack. >> now, so far, the committee says it's interviewed about 250 witnesses, with most coming forward voluntarily. they say more people are cooperating with the investigation than not, including a few more well-known members of the ex-president's administration. his