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whatever issues. >> give us a little bit more about what she says about voting rights. for so many democrats this is the central purpose, animating moment they feel this is an offense for the party chance to win, what did she think this president or party need to do? >> she said our democracy could end if her party loses the midterm election, if joe biden loses and donald trump becomes president as republican of congress. that's what she was talking about at the end of democracy. she believes it's a real issue and he points to the point that we talk about on "morning joe" that what's happening in some way new election officials are being put in and donald trump is backing people who'll get on board with his lies of the 2020 elections. he has concerns of donald trump that she pointed to a lot of things happening state by state.
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more so on the backside of it people willing to overturn it next time if donald trump is there insisting on it. >> willie geist put on a master class on predawn television, thank you all of you for getting up "way too early," willie and i will see you on "morning joe" in a minute, have a great weekend. >> the first woman in the world to receive the pfizer vaccine. >> she can finally date again. sounds like the problem pfizer made deals with other countries they're going to limit the supply here. >> i don't know. >> well, if you want -- >> it would have taken two or
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three years, it would take five or six years. the average development could take 8 to 12 years. before operation warped speed, the typical time frame development could be infinity. >> mayor's down. who's in the wagon? >> president trump's attorney tested positive for covid. >> speaking of rudy. >> wow. >> meanwhile, trump has a new plan of attack. hopefully the next administration will be the trump administration. if somebody has the courage. >> what somebody could he mean?
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>> oh, our hero, space itself represents our war fighting domain. we'll be prepared to defend our freedom in space. good night moon, this is this week in covid history. >> good morning, welcome to "morning joe," it's friday, december the 10th, willie, those things obviously put together to make us laugh but it's painful to think about what a long year it has been with actually a sitting president struggling a long with other members of the administration to overturn the democratic elections. and i think we knew this. we said this along. the further we get away from january 6th, the worst things
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are going to look and the monarch we are going to understand how fraud those days and weeks were. my gosh, we are actually -- that is happening and yesterday really is a big day in getting to the bottom of this coup attempt. >> i have the same feeling with you as i watch those, started off as laughing. i did forget mike pence's prancy clap. >> the federal supreme court denied his executive. the sitting president prevails.
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the court gave the former president to file an appeal with the supreme court during which the injunction to halt the transfer of documents will remain in place. the panel concluded that "former president trump provided no basis for this court to override president biden's judgment" both branches agreed and they are directly relevant to the committee inquiry onto the attack of the legislative branch in the peaceful transfer of power. the court explains the relevancy. there is a direct linkage between the former president and the events of the day on january 6th, president trump directed his followers go to go to the capitol. it's a long opinion, 68 pages,
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joe but to cut to the heart of it, president trump has to turnover those docs. >> it's a long document, jonathan lemire, a harsh document when you look at what the court says. donald trump is absolutely skewed and this claim of executive privilege just tossed aside with utter contempt by unanimously, by the three judge panel for the d.c. circuit. we know what the truth is, it's so obvious to anyone who was in that bubble and who don't believe the lies and the conspiracy theories and the gaslighting. it's still quite striking when you read words like those written yesterday by the d.c. circuit calling this what it
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was. >> yeah, words at the former president's feet. they have the right to appeal and we'll see what the supreme court says. were the january 6th committee getting their hands-on these documents. if you work in the white house and everything is kept, everything. they would have the ability to check e-mails and look at phone records, we know trump himself famously never send any e-mail. they took notes as the events of that day. and at a time chief of staff john kelly trying to prevent his old new york friends from calling in and trump would use a cell phone or the first lady's
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cell phone to do so. it would be a tremendous get for the committee and willie looking again a little closer at the d.c. circuits decision, they say lives were lost and blood were sheds and portions of the capitol building were damaged and others who were working in that building were in danger. there is directly linkage between the former president and the events on that day. a harsh condemnation. >> it was, we'll see what happens next with the possible appeal. now donald trump has to turn over whatever documents he has.
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new developments that were handed over to the select committee. a powerful presentation included in documents former trump chief of staff mark meadows handed over to the committee. the portion was shared by guardian reporter. it declared national security emergency and declare electronic voting in all state valid. let's bring informer u.s. senator, claire mckaskill. good morning, it's good to see you. the white house was passing around this document, mark meadows and handed over to the select committee and they just put it in writing in black and white, a plan to overturn the election. >> mark meadows had a really bad day yesterday.
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when you read that, if a unanimous court of appeals from the d.c. circuit says what it says about executive privilege then mark meadows is on very shaky ground where he tries to retreat, hey, i don't have to cooperate because of executive privilege there is going to be a vote to hold him in contempt at the beginning of the week. he's had a bad week because clearly the president didn't like it that he told everyone he had been very sick and frankly kept it from people that threatens people's lives. now he's not in a strong position trying to hide from this committee after they gotten this important information from him. the biggest argument is he waived the privilege by providing the documents he already has. >> of course and also the he's operating on his personal phone
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instead of his white house's phone. he does not think the text he's sending within the scope of his employment. >> this document that lays out a plan to again brief the senators on foreign interference and declare a national emergency and say foreign influence took control and declare electronic voting in all states that are in valid and then basically disallow the entire election. these are recommendations floating around through the chief of staff through the president of the united states at the time to overthrow an election to overthrow democracy if that's not sedition against the united states of america,
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and that's not being apart of a conspiracy against the united states of america then they should take that statute off the book. it's not applicable to any real life issues or matters. >> that document is the most serious crimes against the united states could ever be committed. that's to invalidate a free and fair election. we have been a beacon of democracy and a gold standard around the world. we are trying to teach people how to conduct elections and to have that kind of document in the white house, clearly people dictating it to please the maniac that didn't want to abide by the election results is a scary thing. if in fact the department of justice does not see it this way, oh, we have trouble in that
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country. >> it's not often you see the plan. liz cheney tweeted an update yesterday. she writes this. the committee met with 300 witnesses, we hear from four more key figure in the investigation today, that was yesterday. we are consulting interviews every week. mark meadows turned over many texts from his private cell phone, we have litigated and won trump's executive privilege case in federal district court. the federal appellate court. do not be misled, president trump is trying to hide what happened on january 6th to delay and obstruct. we'll not let it happen. the truth will come out.
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liz cheney have heard some of the talks whether these subpoenas have teeth and steve bannon. she felt compel to lay out great details of all the work that's happening behind the scenes. mika and i expressed concerns about it. they should lay it out and hammer it home like they did with the benghazi's hearing. they're where they want to be and getting the information they want to get and the discovery process, liz cheney is telling all of those again and not just us others who are expressing concerns that they are going to run out the clocks. something we hear awfully a lot, trump is going to run out clock on the january 6th commission.
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liz cheney is saying they are clearly do not be distracted by what you are hearing from mar-a-lago, they're not running out the clock. we are gathering information, we are in the discovery process. people will be brought to justice. i am surprise the congressman did not see "morning joe" at the end of thos tweets yesterday. bannon's court appearance is not going to be until july. we know there is a realtime line here, time crunch with the midterm's of next november kind of hoping to get it wrapped up by the spring. we are in a good place, look at all that we have done, we have got a ton of information and vital information just this week and we are going to bring these people to justice, we'll hold
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them accountable for what happened in the past on the 6th and prevent something like this from happening again. it was a clear message. we are in good place and i have been talking to people, i have been talking to people the last couple days feeling encouraged by testimonies and what they are hearing from witnesses. they're willing to do whatever it takes. >> yeah, one other thing i am hearing is and also reading is while we are seeing the high-profile hold out, the steve bannons who are opposing for the cameras. there are so many people that worked in the trump's white house that were disgusted by what happened of january 6th. for purposes of this investigation, what matters they were repulsed and disgusted by
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what happened on january 6th. they want this committee to know exactly what happened and they are cooperating. a lot of trump staffers cooperaing with this committee. >> that's what i am hearing too. if steve bannon wants to be the martyr for this maga world, that's fine. we are talking to hundreds of people. mark meadows will make a great show of not showing up for his subpoena. there is another development around president trump in new york. leticia james. >> there is a number of important investigations and cases. i intend to finish my job.
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part of that work, her office's investigation into potential fraud at the trump organization. james seeks to depose donald trump early next year. the on january 7th at her new york office as part of a civil text fraud investigation into whether his company gave fraudulent evaluation. the trump organization released a statement calling it another political witch hunt investigating trump. an attorney says the former president who has not been accused of any wrong-doing will fight it in court. >> joining now is david farenthol. good morning, what did you read
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by tish james yesterday to step away by the governor's race and stays and run for reelection as it impacts donald trump. >> she's running behind the current governor in a crowded democratic primary. the thing she's put the most work into. she didn't file a lawsuit against trump. all of that is done under the cloud. she's doing this for the governor. i think she saw a way and focusing more on the state. >> it was no guarantee that she will win. kathy hochul took over for governor cuomo. charles, let's talk about this case, this deposition.
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trump is a private citizen. does he have any means to fight appearing on january 7th and if not, what should we expect to learn from that? i don't think he can successfully fight this. courts are starting to look at him as a civilian again and they're starting to treat him in that way, i do expect he'll have to show up for that deposition. whether he'll blow it off and tried to be held in contentive court. i expect he's denying or avoid answering as many questions as possible. it's likely going to be a difficult deposition to get through because he's not going to give up information willingly. a lot of things he's saying is going to distance him from firsthand knowledge. now how much that speaks to his
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own credibility is a different conversation whether people actually believe that is entirely different matter. i do not expect him to give up much if he everyone shows up on january 6th. >> people are expecting new york state are perhaps to file a tough charge against donald trump for inflating his words and bank fraud, but the only charges we have gotten is against the cfo for not paying taxes on benefits given to him. as far as targeting donald trump for decades of wrong doing. that seems to be weak sauce for a lot of observers. is there any suggestions there are more charges to be coming? >> i think a big part of the prosecution strategy here as usual was you get someone within reach and you get the low-hanging fruit and you ty to
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flip them. because of that, that's why prosecutors have tried to get where they can to get more information and build the case that's going to stick. no one wants to be known as the person trying to indict donald trump and failed. i think before anyone made a move, they want to be sure for it. information has not come as of yet. right now it does not seem those charges are coming but depending through the course of the investigation, anything could change. >> people can be for given if they forgotten the details of this what is tish james looking into? >> there are two investigations going on. james is conducting a civil
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investigation, she's interested will trump deceives tax officials or lenders. he would pick the same property and give it a low value when he's talking to property tax officials and pump it way up when he's talking to his lender. there is questions of whether he evaded taxes. and whether he cheated in a property in a conservation. it's sort of a grab bag of things. the overall theme was whether he lied over his taxes or to gain loans. >> david farenhold, thank you very much. charles, you and i were onset talking about the jussie smollett's case in chicago. the actor was convicted of five of the six charges against him for lying, making a false report
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that he was as victim of the hate crime. >> what i saw at the end of the day is that the jury did not buy it. the jury was clear of a prosecution case that was straightforward, a lot of physical evidence and corroborated by eye witnesses. it was a good case. smollett did not do himself any favor by taking the stand and testifying the way he did. i think he did need to take the stand. what we heard from him was spectacularly absurd that he put himself in a worst position. two things we are certain, everyone can rest knowing the saga is over and smollett's attacker have been brought to justice. >> yes, he was. >> a lot of high-profile people went along for the ride. charles comen, thank you.
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london's high court ruled that julian assange can be extradited. he faces 18 counts here in the u.s. after wikileaks released in 2010, joining us now from london, nbc news keir simmons, good morning. what does it mean for julian assange now? >> reporter: his legal team is saying they will appeal and much more likely that he'll appear in the court there in the u.s. and possibly as soon as next year. there is so much history of the
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assange's store now. you had diplomatic cable that were leaked by him and wikileaks to leak those conspiracy theories about the democratic party and hillary clinton. you have those rape allegations in sweden that was subsequently dropped. you had the period of time where he was holdup in london. >> what's crucial about this extradition by the u.s. is u.s. is trying to see julian assange over charges of hacking and not leaking. the charge is effectively, he tried to hack pentagon's computers. what this appeal battle is about is about whether u.s. authorities can reassure british authorities that julian assange
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will be treated well enough in u.s. prisons. of course his team and fiance say you can't. she put out a statement speaking out. she says this decision is dangerous and misguided. she goes onto say how could it be fair and right and how could it be possible to extradite him and kill him. that's referring to claims that they have made during president trump's time and looking at the poll of trying to kill julian assange. this looks like he appears there in the u.s. you can talk about this case without highlighting two things. one is those diplomatic cables shed a lot of lights on iraq and afghanistan. you remember those chilling images killing civilians in iran
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and according to reuter journalists and you have to talk about him which led him to engage with the russians whoefr those leaks. again though this case is not about all that. >> all right, nbc's keir simmons. thank you so much. >> claire mckaskill, there is a lot of smoke surrounding julian assange. there is the charges that was dropped there, the hacking and his vindetta against clinton.
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it's so interesting that it used to be the far left to oppose george w. bush's war in afghanistan and iraq who made this guy a hero under the first amendment. and then when he started leaking information against hillary clinton, it became the trump's right that suddenly hail julian assange, let's forget the politics of this. you are given this case and you got a guy stolen thousands of documents, pages of highly classified national security documents, released them to the world and in so doing put the lives of u.s. troops of people who were working with the united states, allies and collaborators and in war zones in the gravest of danger under any scenarios. you take politics out of it. this is an open and shut case.
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this is not the pentagon's paper. it was not the time of what could be released or not. this was a guy that got stolen document and gave it to the world. >> this is simple. it's a straightforward, in a beauty of a trial is you narrow all of the extraneous docs to the charges that are there. the charges of this case are that he was trying to hack into our military information that protects not just our country but all the men and women in uniform around the world. this is serious stuff. forget about the politics, the fact that both right and left don't like julian assange or love him. this is a guy who violated the law. i got to laugh if their fight
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against extradition that they are worried about his safety in prison, they really don't have perspective on this. there are a lot of people who go to federal prison who have done really worst things than julian than they are protected in prison. i don't think he needs to worry about prison. this is a smoke screen from being accountable for the rule of law. he started talking about trump being accountable. this is a really important piece for the american rule of law to get him back to the united states and face these charges. >> he could be in an american courtroom soon. we'll play the new interview from chris christie blaming donald trump for giving him covid and blasting mark meadows for keeping trump's first positive test a secret.
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flags flying at half staff of course for bob dole. hope you had a good week, hope you are looking forward to a great weekend. willie, i am looking forward to your interview with hillary clinton. she's been talking about this master class she's going to be doing online and i heard the tractors on the right have been attacking her, oh she lost and i don't want to hear about it. i sat there in amusement thinking this it is exactly who you want to talk to. anybody ever succeeded has had setbacks from abraham lincoln, pick any sports star. i am absolutely fascinated by her story and what she's going to tell and you got to sit down and actually talk to her about
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it. >> yes, we talked about this master class, online platform that people can sign up for but it turns into a conversation for so much more. we talked about a lot more, she had advices for democrats and joe, she talked about republicans, she had good feelings or disagreed with but thought they shared something in common until donald trump came along and she started asking herself what happened to them. >> this guy has no bases at all, no law or facts. he does not care. he wants to destroy this industry's institutions. and sadly the republican party has gone along with him and for the life of me, people who i
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knew that i serve with who fall in line on the outrageous accusations they make whether it's against dr. tony fauci or pretending what happened on january 6th was not an insurrection. honestly, they have hung their spines on the wall as they walk into their offices, they have no conscious and spine. we are seeing the results of a party that has been taken over by a demagogue. we know from history that's not good news. that's scary news. we have to do much more than what we are doing now to fight back against this very organized effort to undermine our elections and put into place laws and regulations that are contrary to fair process, to fair voting. i worry that still too many
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people are like you know, it can't be that bad and go that far. it's a failure of imaginations, one of the findings by the 9/11 commissioner was a failure imagination. after january 6th, i think it's still a failure of imagination that the congress through its committee and the house particularly are trying to get to the bottom of what happened. there is no sense of duty or honor for many people who worked for trump. they don't want to cooperate and they don't want it to be proven. i am very worried. it did not end with his defeat. it's the time to decide whether we'll be a grown-up country or
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not? are we going to give into all of these lies and disinformation and this organized effort to undermine our rule of law and institution us or are we going to stand up for it? >> those are some important, important comments and for those listening to hillary clinton talking about her former republican colleagues and saying well, she's a democrat and they have been at odds for some time. i was in the political bunker with throughout the 1990s and into the early 2000s, people that i knew, friends that were friends with and who were unrecognizable now. >> people of principles, who pushed so many of those principles aside when donald trump came into town.
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it is. it's without a doubt. the most confounding thing i have seen in my political life. >> personally and professionally and politically, i have seen nothing like it and it's also important to note that hillary clinton, willie, had great respect among the colleagues she works with. she spent over backward talking about what a hard worker she was. her talking in front of her republican colleagues, she's talking about people who are friends and colleagues that she does not recognize anymore. >> it was genuine shock from her and a lot of people that there all these lines that were crossed. going all the way back
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to -- what about the muslim ban and going to van 6th, it fell back in line, that's what surprised hillary clinton and frankly others she worked closely with as a senator. she talked about democrats, we got to talk about what happened in virginia. she had some thoughts of how democrats need to run if they want to hold onto congress. and not just finish about those deep blue issues. here is what she says. >> it's a time for some careful thinking about what wins elections and not just deep blue districts where a liberal democrats and so call the rest of the democrats is going to win. >> we don't know what the state
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of the map going to be all of the redistricting if here is though the republicans in a number of states are doing thoer best to eliminate as many seats that democrats can be could be competitive in. >> we got to be clear eye of what it's going to take to hold the house and the senate in 2022. i understand why people want to argument for their priorities, that's what they believe they were elected to do. at the end of the day, nothing is going to get done if you don't have a democratic majority in the house and the senate. our majority comes from who win in much more difficult districts. >> and our majority in the senate comes from people who could win not just blue states and hold those wins as we saw didn't happen in virginia. but can win in more purple ish
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states. it's good and giving people a chance to be apart of the progress. >> by the end of the day, if we don't have congress to could want on and have a white house that we can could want for being productive. >> claire, i can expect you to relate to some of that kmepts and the kind of place she's talking about, hard places for democrats to win. she's also referring to people like sinema and manchin, well, if manchin does not win in west virginia then we don't have a clinic. >> i hope the progressive wing of my party takes it to heart. the power comes from the majority. the majority comes from the
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middle. because we are not talking about places that are bright blue. we are talking about places where they do care whether parents feel like they have any control over their child's school. forget about what they are teaching. it's about understanding that in these times, a lot of parents and women. not that he was the candidate of the extreme. if we don't get that, if we spent all of our time talking about the famous, the bright blue places that they want to focus on and not when the moderates, we are not going to hold the majority and mitch mcconnell and speaker donald trump or mccarthy will blow up the last two years of the biden administration. the thing we care about can go
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waist side. >> claire, in listening to hillary's speech about where you have to win in district ls and you got to win in states like missouri and arkansas and bill clinton did. >> it reminded me and david short tweeted a couple of months ago, he was one of the smart guys running barack obama's data operations. >> he cited a threat that was so important and he says everything democrats fought about the 2008 election were wrong. >> barack obama's strength did not come from well, i will read
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it here. >> bum obama's decisive strength major strategic choices floed to the american electric. he pushed gun control and immigration and rewarding the group for deciding the election in his favor. >> big s.w.a.t. in the gop establishment democrats meanwhile lead to a strategy that basically admitted the white working class entirely. and that's why you have people like me where former republicans looking up going wait a second, how did they win wisconsin and how did the republicans win iowa? i called pennsylvania fools'
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goals for years because the media and david short talks about everybody in his - barack obama's strength was not descendant of class of america. it was white working class voters across the north where he would go into counties and democrats usually didn't go and instead of losing by 50 points would lose by 25 points. that made the difference. >> yeah, the margins really matters, joe. there are people out there is of someone who's everyday pounding the podium that we have to do better in rural america. we don't have to win in rural america. we have to do better and we have to remind how good it was for them economically under democrats. we have voters that voted for
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barack obama then donald trump and then joe biden. right now they hang in the balance. who's the majority forward leader in the senate and who occupies the white house? everybody needs to hone in on those voters and talk about the things that matter to them at their kitchen table. >> all the other things are important that i know i am going to get yelled at. this is not about banning progressive values. this is about being smart about winning the elections. oh, she lost, what did she know? let me tell ya for people who run places that are not bright blue, we actually know a lot. >> so many as many of the moderates of the democratic party, we can't give them in the back of our hands.
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we got to talk about those things that voters care about. >> that's the point secretary clinton was making. >> joe mentioned this master class which hillary clinton is viewing a master class on resilience. one o the clips from that that is gotten the most attention is her reading from election night in 2016. she was ready to deliver to break the glass sealing and she never got the chance to read it. >> she can see the election for the next day. >> she did sit down and read that speech and it was emotional moment for her. >> what compelled you to sit down and revisit that speech? >> i wanted to be ahelpful as i could to the viewers and to the process of being in the class.
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>> i admit it, i still thought we can pull it out, our polling and analytics suggested that we could. and so i worked on a speech that really was about my journey and had a real emphasis o on my mother's life journey because i talked a lot about that during the campaign. making it clear that yes, i would be the first woman president but i like everybody stood on on the shoulders and live the lives of the experiences of those who came before us. >> when they asked me to do it, i really had a hard time getting through it. i really had a hard g through it partly because it was so emotional, it brought back to me was a great loss, not just for me but our country, with somebody getting trump elected despite of everything. his four years of office sort of
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proved my fears about that. it's also intensely personal at the end where i talked about the little girl where my mother was when she was put in a train at the age of 8 and with her younger sister to live with her paternal residents. >> i dream of going up to her and sitting down next to her, taking her in my arms and saying look at me. listen to me. you will survive and have a good family of your own and three children. as hard as it may be to imagine, your daughter will grow up and become the president of the united states. >> i know people who have known you for a long time and say they never seen that level of public emotions from you. >> that's probably true.
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part of it, williewillie, when e a woman in public life and you are especially somebody who's trying to break that glass sealing and knocking down barriers, you are kind of dam if you do and dam if you don't. >> if you know show emotions that may connect with some people but for a lot of people it's like oh. told you, a woman should not have these jobs, they're too emotional. >> the last two-minutes of the speech where she got emotional talking about her mother. for people don't remember, her mother dorothy was bannoned at 8-year-old and went her three-year-olds on the train. >> basically hang in there. you are going to have a great life and your daughter is going to become president of the united states. >> clearly a mix of feeling about his own loss of the
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election and about her mother. >> it's so extraordinary moving. >> i find it hard to believe anyone could find criticism and cynically attack someone, again, exposing themselves and their soul the way secretary clinton did there, the older you get, character defines more in defeat. how you brush yourself off and pick ourself up and move on. your character is sharpen and define so much more in defeat. i know there will be so many people that are going to see this. >> who are going to go through their own battles and own defeat whether it's a lost of a loved one or a setback at work they'll
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be able to look at this and it's going to provide them strength and claire mckaskill just listening to secretary clinton and i am reminded of what an extraordinary trailblazer he was in the white house as first lady and as she was as secretary of state and she was united states senator. man, i guess we are just so old, i am so old, i don't think of 1992 as a world away. it was a different world than hillary clinton, man, she scared a lot of people in 1992.
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when she came out tough and assertive and strong as the way she was. she was such a trailblazer. for all those people saying oh, the clintons should go away, all those people on the far left. oh, the clintons, i don't want to hear from the clintons. they won in arkansas, bill clinton was the first democrats to get reelected twice since fdr left, despite all of his problems that left with the 60% of approval rating. hillary clinton did an ex trash bag ordinary job as secretary of state. left that job with a 60% approval rating and has such an extraordinary career going on all the way back into the early '70s on the ways and means committee during the watergate hearings. what an extraordinary legacy. so many lessons for her to teach younger americans.
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>> it's emotional to watch her. i could not help to get choked up. what she encapsulates, running for president is how you navigate the issue of vulnerability, she was attacked so much and so early that she adopted the etho that i got to be very tough and i can't show vulnerability. if you are vulnerable then you are relatable. she really wanted to be so strong and never ever show weakness that i think moment where she showed her raw emotion about her mother is so powerful
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and i just hope everybody who has someone in her family who thinks hillary clinton is a bad person, they should watch willie's interview, they'll walk away with new respect for the woman and the trail she had navigated and how well he has did it. she's deserving of our respect. >> quickly joe, she goes into great depths about running as a woman. she talked to me about everything that was going through her head. do i confront him or do i make a joke about it. >> well, she does not stand up to donald trump, how could she stand up to putin. how do you run as a woman? >> it's not like she had a lot
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of examples to warn of. >> trailblazer has now make sure the next woman in that position will know what to do. when they know what to do, they'll have hillary clinton to thank for it. claire mckaskill, thank you so much. >> and i just can't wait. i can't wait to see willie's sit-down on "sunday today." at the top of the hour now. it's friday, december 10th, jonathan lemire is still with us. let's bring in the conversation and nbc news, john, and doris kerns. i have been spending not as much as you, i am sure. i have been spending so much time with abraham lincoln over
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the past year and a half. it's sadness, personal failure and professional failure. there is that moment that you wrote in your book where you quoted abraham lincoln who said the only thing keeping him alive was he not yet done anything on earth to make anyone remember him after he was gone when he was contemplating suicide. and look at this interview with hillary did with willie and also her reading her speech and i am just struck by what a historical artifact 50 years from now and how important we are seeing
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hillary clinton revealing this side of her. >> without a question, adversity makes people stronger. that's that great quote of earnest hemmingway. >> i think what she's doing now by allowing herself to reveal emotions she felt and what she would have had she won. anything you can read and hear and now you hear the person is saying it adds a dimensions to the story. history is telling story. every kid should love history. it's extraordinary a master class. >> and there is remarks of hillary clinton reading her speech from the trump's right. the clinton needs to go and you
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think wait a second, you want the people who actually cracked the code for democrats. no, that's exactly who you need to be listening to now. unlike you, they actual lino how to win in middle america. >> yeah. >> joe, this has been and when you think of hillary clinton's resilience. it's so multi layer, the resilience she show after the controversy around her husband of monica lewinsky and his impeachment. >> did you lose in the nomination in barack obama and come back and run again for president in 2016. after the trump lost, everybody wanted her to go away. >> republicans never want to hear from her. i am not talking about her senate colleagues.
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>> her republican party says shut up, hillary clinton, go away. she's still basically saying she's keeping her truth and she stuck around and said i have sorry, i have seen and heard some stuff. i am not going to back away from the public arena. it's the truth for bill clinton, too. a complicated mixed legacy now. they both have stayed in the public arena because they care about america and they think they have learned some lessons that if people can put aside their feelings and their reflexes of reactions and some of their bitterness on the democratic side, they can learn from and i think you are right, they can learn from these two people understand a lot how america works and the threat to democracy and how to win elections in america. it takes some courage for her to
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continue to say i am not going to give up or retire. >> resilience, you learn wisdom through that. at a much different emotional level than you are when you are sailing through and doing well everyday. >> she's got a lot to say on the resilience and a lot more. you can see that interview on "sunday today." a federal repeals court denied donald trump's request of archives for the january 6th committee. the court gave the former president 14 days to file an appeal. in a 68-page opinion, the panel concluded, quote, former president trump has provided no
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basis for this court toover ride president trump's judgment. he goes onto say both branches agree there is a legislative need for these documents and direct inquiry into an attack for the legislative branch. >> the court wrote, lives were loss and blood were shed. >> staffers and others who were working in the building working danger. there is a direct linkage between the former president and the events of the day. january 6th, he directed his followers to go to the capitol and fight for his t their country with the aim with from certifying the electoral votes. >> if you read all 68 pages.
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it's a line by line rebuke of the president and breaks up th guts of any arguments she's been making that day. >> it really is. people come up and ask me advises about cases. they think they're going to go to court and a judge is going to go to court, you are right, your opponent is evil. it's never that clear cut. you don't get that in courts and that's why you know i will always remember why a mentor told me a really bad set a lotment is better than a great verdict. it's not just black and white. with that said, john this three judge opinion by the d.c. circuit was about as black and white. i mean everything i have ever said about -- you just don't get
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slam dunk through the legal system. it's just wrong. the words were so historic. >> blood was shed. >> there is direct link with linkage between the president and the events of that day, unanimous three-judge opinion in the d.c. circuit. that's very compelling as the lawyers trying to figure out what to do next. >> very compelling and? some ways, it rhymes with common sense, right? you don't have to be a lawyer to figure out claims of the president to executive privilege now that he's no longer president. the notion in this particular as it comes out, the judge pointed out these are -- -it is real vens is obvious.
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>> i think i have enough common sense to see that. it's great when you see the court in terms and coming to the same conclusion. this is the ball game. i heard you say the first hour, what steve bannon is going to say? >> a lot of these people are not going through, they're going to claim the 5th or lies. the better and more paper they have, the better and stronger case they're going to build. >> one important step that we are moving the roadblocks to some of the most important papers. >> you don't have to wrry about that. >> that's why i didn't try. >> doris, we know an appeal here. we don't know if these documents will end up in the committee and they'll see life of day. >> this treasure-trove that they can get their hands-on, e-mails and phone records.
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it's contemporaneous votes. in tell us what fuller picture can be painted? >> documents though what -- >> the most important thing that could happen is not just historians right now but to bring that narrative back to the public. i mistakenly thought a line would be drawn that the majority of the people of the country is going to say enough, we have got to heal yourselves and change something. >> it's now faded from view. everyone at that time i keep on remember mcconnell got before the senate, he says the president is practically and morally responsible for what happened. he incited them to do what they did. maybe these papers and diaries
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are going to make those stories come to life. abraham lincoln said, the reason why he told so many stories because they have a beginning middle and end. if this can fill out the story of what happened way back was charles sumter was hit on the head. he was an an at the senator from the north. southern congresswoman going against what he was doing. you got a metaphor for this thing is happening that the republican party became much stronger than it did before. that's what i thought it's going to happen on january 6th that people would pull away from the republican party, instead, we watch mopts after months and it fades into distance and now it's back. let that story come back to life and i think it can change public opinion and change the country. that's my optimism.
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this is a line that's been drawing. then you have to say we can't allow for it to happen again. >> mark meadows have been at the center of this conversation and his decision not to arrive or appear for his deposition this week. the details of his book keeps spewing out. >> chris christie is speaking out saying there is no question that donald trump gave him covid last year. this follows that revelation. trump tested positive three days before his first presidential debate with joe biden and did not tell anybody. >> christie who was at the white house helping trump to prepare for the debate said this in a new ber -- >> i can't believe meadows didn't tell you.
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>> you think trump would not tell you? >> hey, the president tested positive for covid, we are having another test and then next test came back negative from what he reported. he had an obligation to tell us. hey, you tested negative. >> i would not wore a mask if i knew that. we knew the president was getting tested every. we didn't know his regiment was. >> if mark meadows knew and somebody i'm siting across from for four days have passed the positive test. i think what's less obvious is mark meadows saved his first book. he saved it for a book. >> i went in to hospital in the
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intensive care unit, he didn't call to tell me. >> you suspected that you got it from the president, is that right? >> the only reason i suspected it because he was the only person i didn't know if he's testing regularly. >> all the other people we spoke about. did this confirm for you? >> in trump called him while they were both hospitalized to ensure that christie would not blame him for the infection. >> john, governor christie was very ill. he was in the icu, you can upset by mark meadows. this book is about reclaiming the republican party from the trump's time. it appears to be on bresz to be on board with his friend donald
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trump. >> let's talk about marc meadows. >> my friend loved me and i respected and honored and what was i talking about him? >> let's not talk about donald trump because if we talk about donald trump, i have to say yes, i think he committed, it was inside an insurrection and he planned an attempted coup. i like to vote for 2024. i don't want to take it off the table. it's the most uncomfortable thing for christmas. >> that's easy. that's fish in a barrel. he does not want to talk about his friend donald trump and he does not to go all the way there. she's a fraud and a liar and conspiracy cheerist and he naer
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nearly killed you. i am a borderline mayor of the republican party or maybe a parietal. i say i won't vote for 200-24. i will continue against all logic reasons and moral sanity to say that i may vote for donald trump again in 2024. it's one of the most jaw-dropingly and how disgraceful in comprehension given the case like this, given the things dad stimulate. >> we'll get back to john harmon and press him to get him to speak directly. >> first, jonathan le myers. you know many on the left have been dreaming of a john dean figure coming forward. and stepping up and speaking out, i am not sure one has
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summon out the closet here. >> you look at what mark meadows have reviewed over the past week, you look at what he already revealed with the 6,000 pages that had been turnedover with these phone records that he voluntarily turned over. >> the january 6th committee is very please with and helping and put together a tiktok and what was going on inside the oval office on this day. >> he says his book is fake news. >> i am not sure if he's not starting to emerge the kind of john dean type of figure. >> you certainly expose pay she wants zero inside the oval office and the white house. >> mark meadows just add a week. >> joe, you know him well and
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those of us who deal with us on the white house. >> he likes to please people and befriendly and helpful at a moment. . she's the one that came over and brief reporters. hey, he's doing for worst than what the doctor said to you. here is a nice details. >> he wanted to cooperate with the january 6th committee in some form turning over documents. so doris, mark meadows here, you are a his -- is there other character in your research? >> what the parallel is sometimes when you start speaking the truth about
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something. it feels really good and when people support you around you even though others are against you, you take the next step and next. that's happening with dean. it happens with people when they change their minds on an issue like linden johnson. it feems terrific to know that you are doing the right thing and maybe it's going to hurt you in the short term. yes, democrats who have lose. >> he may be playing a role now. maybe that'll trump that word keeps oncoming around. but, he'll trump the actual hesitation he had before. it will be an interesting thing to watch. >> joe is on something. >> what's so interesting doris, we look back to nixon the early days of watergate and holloman and everybody in a small circle.
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everybody standing shoulder to shoulder and nobody was going to break. >> as more information came out. more people started to testify, there were few like g gordon would nut t put his happened over the candle. people started breaking and they started telling the truth. >> you have mark meadows may have inadvertically done it. >> this was not done behind closed door. you have all of these staffers that saw as their capitol was being be sieged by rioters and insurrections. a president remaining silent and people begging into speak out. yes, you have mark meadows but you have these teaming masks of staff members who are willing to talk to the committee.
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>> that does not add up to one directive sort of john d. we were waiting for them to speak up. they saw with their eyes and heard everything that happened. there is a sense in which when one and two or three speak out. then the group becomes stronger in doing so and they'll provide the story. as i said story is the most important thing. >> we get that story of what the president did and what he didn't do. it's going to be a damming thing from what we already know. >> you fill it in with document . historians will be reading this on january 6th for a long time to come. >> i worried somehow it's taken away from our public consciousness and we are on efg else. this is bringing us back. it's an important thing for the rule of law. they were trying to disrupt one
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of the most sacred constitutions. it had to be dolt buy congress. this is a good time for the rule of law and democracy at least so far -- >> we'll come back to the story just a moment. i want to turn to the economy, ing senate voted yesterday to pass a bipartisan bill that clears the way for raising the debt ceiling. 14 republicans joined democrats creating a fast track process that'll allow democrats to raise the debt ceiling without republican support. janet yellen, the bill which passed the house on tuesday now haetds to president biden's desk. once he signs on the house, senate will vote on
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separate -- graham criticized mcconnell for putting republicans in that position. >> senator graham reportedly warn his colleague, former president trump will take action gens republican lawmakers who voted for the deal. >> as the hill reports, graham says mcconnell had backed away from his valve earlier this year not to give democrats any help in raising the debt limit. >> you got inside a party lunch, lindsey graham and standing up and says donald trump is coming for you if you voted for this. >> it's interest taking. speaking of january 6th, lindsey graham says i am off this train, i am done with it. it's all over.
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three or four people fallen into an airport. pretty extraordinary. here you have mitch mcconnell again as he was on january the 6th being responsible. it's important we talk about january 6th and i have talked to democrats that were inside a room with him. democrats who had nothing, nothing in common with mcconnell on any issue whatsoever. >> the only reason they got out of hiding and went backup and voted on that day because mitch mcconnell says over my dead body. ler members in both parties saying let's come back tomorrow,
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mcconnell did not do it. >> he's saying to other republicans, hey, we got to do this. >> this is economically disasterous if we don't. we have to do this. fortunately, he had 14 other republicans that sunday that republicans had to pay for republican's debt. i see that as positive news and of course you can also look at it and say how shocking it's that there are only 14 people that understood they had the responsibility to do this regardless of what the next game show host in south florida was saying. >> we would like to see raising that debt ceiling would never be. >> i agree everything you said with someone note of skepticism we went for the last round of this debt ceiling drama back in
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way october and november. you were on the air often saying democrats have to be clear that if republicans bent through with the threat then to not help them raise the death sealing. >> i think that one of the things that's happening here is it's true that mitch mcconnell understood and, he understand more than that. >> he understood that republicans would be putting himself into ballot cal jeopardy and democrats had a plan and sketched out by many people in the democratic party. try to make sure they hung that around the republican neck. >> the political risks of being
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blamed for the economic catastrophe of not raising the debt ceiling became clear to mcconnell and that along with some sense of responsibility led him to a place where he and a few of his colleagues did the right thing on this question. >> right, i think you are right. it's never completely black and white in this case. i think you are completely right. if democrats played their hands correctly, they could have called their votes. market collapsed? i smiled at republicans, it's your market, your debt. we are giving you the 50 votes and etc. i am sewer that's also is apart of it. we have seen time and again when republicans had a chance to do the responsible thing. they backed away from it because of their fear of donald trump. >> make no mistake.
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mitch mcconnell and donald trump are in two separate camps now. >> and lindsey graham stood up and warn with his fellow republicans donald trump is coming for you. let's continue this conversation with steve ratner. amara, let's begin with you. inflation is a big concern. we got this report about all this 4.2 million quits in the job market. as you assess this. what's the state of the american economy? >> well, willie, there are a lot of positive signs in the economy right now. the headline, there were other things in that report that were encouraging, we saw the unemployment rate comes down to the lowest level of the
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pandemic. the rate increase which means more americans are coming off the sidelines to go to work. we see consumers continue to spend in the face of elevated inflation. the economy is recovering and i improving.
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>> it will end up 7% for the entire year when averaged 2% over the 21 years of this new century. and, jobs openings at record levels and other things we talked about. you have the fear of inflation. the threat of inflation moving forward and i am glad we have you here today. you been warning about inflation for quite some time. >> yeah, i have been warning about inflation because two things are not unconnected. the strength of the economy is what leads us into this inflation problem. we have been in a situation where the federal reserve as we know put massive amount of money into the economy, cutting interest rates to zero. we had a succession of stimulus program under trump and the $1.9 trillion american rescue plan under biden. and so the comments that were made before got all the positive things going on in the economy. they are largely results in the largely amount of stimulus -- people can afford to quit their jobs because there are 11 million unfilled jobs that they can take or live on savings. there are over $2 trillion of what we call, dry powder.
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about half of consumers not able to spend while they are locked down and now now they're coming out spending. consumers are out there spending historically high rates, that's helping to contribute to this inflation. >> a number of us anticipate that but what we all did not anticipate frankly were the supply line problems. that's something we have not seen before in this kind of magnitude. >> what's so fascinating is, steve has been talking about $2.2 trillion americans saved during covid and they're ready to spend it now. there was an aei yesterday, a
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fed governor who says it's not a question of demand precovid levels. this is in washington post today, he said the economy is experiencing sustained, high demand. this is not really about a bottle neck story anymore. did we talk about bottleneck? our problem right now is what steve been talking about for some time. you got people with a lot of money they save up and there is been sustained higher demand and the economy is having trouble keeping up with it. >> that's right. >> during the pandemic we saw consumption patterns really change. we were all staying at home and not getting public transportation and getting on planes. we saw really strong demands for goods and not demands for
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services like going to restaurants and traveling. we are seeing more spending going onto services, a lot of strong spending on goods. it has been different kilt for the economy to keep up with strong demand especially when you have these pandemic disruptions like factory clothing and as you say these supply chain issues were not expected to endure as long as they have. we have the delta variant over the summer that caused a surge in cases that contributed to supply chain bottleneck sort of carrying on. >> we heard from janet yellen and economic council -- they're going to show inflation is indeed up. do you have a sense of how highway high it's going to be and what's your political danger posing for the white house. >> yes, they're higher and expectations are all over the
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place. we lost confidence in our able to predict precise number. it's 6.2% last month. everyone expects to be higher, high 6's. i don't want to say they're rearranging the chairs of the titanic. they're taking oil out of the petroleum reserve. it's basically to show the american people they are doing something. you guys talked about a great length on yesterday when you look at what americans are saying and feeling, inflation had become not the number one issue in the top group. you have high wage increase. inflation ticked away and a little bit. people actually on average worse off today in terms of their purchasing power than they were a year ago and that's going through obviously into the politics of it.
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inflation is not where you want to be. steve ratner, thank you both very much. still ahead on "morning joe," new information on the omicron variant of covid, what the cdc is saying about its severity. three weeks until eric adams is sworn into office. he made his first cabinet level appointment. we'll talk to david banks joining our conversation next on "morning joe." s joining our conversation next on "morning joe." ♪ it wasn't me by shaggy ♪
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the thing we know most important is for our young people to be together. the routine of school is to be important to be around teachers and classmates and socialism process for young people. we got to make sure we take full advantage of remote learning in addition to in-person learning. and so the challenges here we'll continue to pay attention to public health officials and their guidance as we go along. we got the make sure we keep all options open for young people continue to learn. >> david, congratulations. >> as a parent of two, i will say good luck. >> this is the mayor-elect have spoken big. he said yesterday you and he
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both said there is the importance of boosting achievements of the city's most vulnerable children. 65% of white children were not reaching proficiency, it burns the city down. >> how do you help them? as part of that, is there a charter school? >> i was announced yesterday by merrick adams at my old men elementary school. >> it was a very special day for me. as i reflect my life, i have been a teacher and assisted principal and founder of the school. what i have known is that the answer we need to transform our school system comes from if village, they come from the schools that are out there doing
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amazing work. ip to scale, good stuff that's already working. >> we want to take the best lessons learned from the schools that gotten it right and we want to break those silence so everyone is getting exposed to the wonderful things that are happening in schools. reflecting on really a teacher that gave her that energy from learning about history. there are amazing people like that all across our new york city public schools. the problem is they're operating in silence. we figure out a way to break down those silence so all children are getting exposed to the best that we have to offer. they're in lies the solution for us going forward. >> i know a lot of chancellor s in this city and a lot of them come with enormous optimism. what scares you the most?
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have you seen previous chancellors trying to make change and you hit them again and again. >> that's ing thing i need to breakthrough if i can't breakthrough it. i am not going to allow you done point. >> that's a great question. that's probably the dream killers. >> in the people who are the anyway sayer and who want to maintain the status quo. >> i don't fear them but i do recognize it as a challenge. >> i recognize also the response and the answer to go to the people themselves and to talk to parents and young people. they stood as themselves will give us one of the best answers moving forward. not just civic classes but civic experiences. >> there we go. >> outside the four walls of the school. there is a reason why many americans don't vote and not
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the tony award winning broadway musical "dear evan hanson" reopens tomorrow after a hiatus of more than 600 days due to the pandemic. and the star of that show jordan fisher joins us now. jordan, it must be so exciting on the eve of taking on this lead role made so famous. you also were in "hamilton." you've had an extraordinary career already. what does it mean for you to step on that stage tomorrow especially after all this time away for broadway? >> oh, my god, everything. it means everything. art is the life glood. it's the life of broadway being back it puts the cherry on top of, the city feeling the way we've wanted it to feel. to be the last show to reopen on broadway, a lot of new stuff coming up as well, is such an honor. it feels good to tell the story
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especially right now. >> so we were just talking here during the break about what that setup will be like. the attendees at the theater have to be vaccinated. they have to wear masks. full house, though. no social distancing. tell us what that moment will be like as best you can predict and hear the audience, to hear them respond. new yorkers have been so desperate to get out and experience the city and feel life. what do you think it will be like? >> i felt a little bit during the macy's thanksgiving parade. super fun. always wanted to do the parade. i'm on this big disney float, this ship, looking left and right. there's all sorts of gaggles, thousands of people. this is their tradition what they do. they get up in the cold, go find their spot, and they're thrilled to be there and they're all there together. it's new york together. and getting any kind of sense of that, any familiarity in that felt like a drug truly. there's sheer happiness.
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people want that, to be in a concentrated space and see art and feel art and hear it and we finally get to do that. i can't imagine what it will be like to open that laptop at the beginning of the show. >> your enthusiasm is so contagious. that's what we need, that human connection, that's been denied for so long. and there's something about cities, that's what makes cities so great. you collaborate in cities. cities can be a problem when pandemics happen. broadway is the symbol of it all. >> absolutely. >> i can see it in your eyes. you look so excited. >> it's my favorite thing to do. i'm grateful i get to do film, producing and making music. broadway is that interface, that live, that social interaction that you get to have with an audience that's so magical. >> have you been to a lot of shows or any other shows on broadway as things have started to reopen? >> yes. i saw "lion king" again.
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i had to see how they revamped the show. the same with "wicked." "flying over sunset." that opens next week i'm pretty sure. >> as you talk to fellow actors who have gone through the same process of being in lockdown for hundreds of days and come back, how are people experiencing -- all the social things are powerful in a live performance setting but people with masks on, right for public health, but as a performer you see the people's eyes. you want to see their faces. have people talked about that being a different experience as a performer to look at a room full of masks and hearing the muffled sounds rather than the full cries? is that something people talk about? >> i think it's an inevitable thing. of course it will feel super different if you have an opportunity on a stage which albeit is very rare for most broadway shows to lock eyes with an audience member. evan gets to do that and a
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handful of times in the show there's real connection there and to just see the eyes is one thing. but then being there is enough. them being there is a joy, is happy. i don't need to see the smile. i'm going to see the tears. there's no mask for that. yes, of course it will feel a little bit different. having the bodies in the room. that's what's so special. >> it's wonderful you're back. wonderful you're back. >> a lot of people excited to see the show. the theme could not be better "dear evan hansen" reopens tomorrow. jordan fisher, congratulations and break a leg. we'll see you soon. >> appreciate it. still ahead on "morning joe" an alarming rise in violence targeting health officials
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variety of fun colors for the little colts and/or humans running around your home. >> it tastes weird. >> did i ask you how it tastes? eat it. >> don't worry, while ivermectin jr. was intended for animals -- >> it says it's for worms. >> yeah, gummy worms. seriously it is for horses with intestinal warts. go ahead. >> rest easy knowing your child is literally as healthy as a horse. ivermectin jr., not the smart choice, the right choice. >> oh, my goodness. welcome back. "morning joe." willie, i'm looking at the christmas tree and i wonder do we need to rename it? like that stupid thug that burned down the fox tree.
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i didn't now it was named the fox all-american tree. i like it. do we call this the "morning joe" jesus s.e.c. football america's the greatest country in the world tree? don't even look at it without complete gratitude or else i'm a better christian than you tree? i'm just trying to figure out that all-american tree, that's branding, baby. that is branding. an attack against the country itself. i think we up the stakes and call it the jesus tree or the jesus all-american tree. what do you think? >> i think it's implicitly the jesus tree. we can start right there. i like the s.e.c. football note. we can anchor down, hang an ornament. so i think your original pitch is kind of a mouthful. we can workshop that a little bit. i think so.
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that was horrible what happened across the street, the christmas tree. a guy burning it down. it was awful. >> they let that guy out without -- you create that sort of public health risk? not health risk but just a danger. and you're burning down something on 6th avenue? in the middle of a busy shopping season? we've been talking about -- i don't mean to veer off here because i really do like the whole jesus s.e.c. football american exceptionalism idea, but is it just me or are we seeing more and more stories and like this guy that burns down a
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tree and is out on bail, i'm just seeing more and more stories on the west coast, on the east coast pace of crimes, the pace of criminal activity seems to be speeding up at such a rate that a lot of things aren't even making news headlines anymore, and we have to talk about it. there are d.a.s all across the country basically turning a blind eye to lawlessness. >> well, we had that report yesterday out of philadelphia where the former mayor, michael nutter, blasted the da saying the homicide and gun crisis is not a crisis. clearly it is in cities like philadelphia, chicago and new york. jonathan lemire, right until the end the police commissioner in new york city has made this plea
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about this bail reform, the judges have no discretion to hold on to someone they believe might put them in jail or make them post jail. joe the right, the guy who lit the christmas tree on fire was proptly released and put back out on the street. >> why? >> he didn't commit a felony, he didn't endanger the life of another person. in other places a judge would have discretion and we need to hold on to him until his trial. this is something that perhaps eric adams, the new mayor, will be grappling with. >> he takes office in a couple of days, a couple weeks. law enforcement organizations do oppose this thinking it gives -- it ties the judge's hands and people who are in the streets that shouldn't be. we have seen time tick up across the country in the last year and a half tied to the pandemic.
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this wave of smash and grabs, people on the west coast. another one in orange county. violent crime shootings are up in cities, places like philadelphia, baltimore, chicago on track or to set a new record or close to it because of the homicide and we have congress that hasn't taken any steps to any meaningful legislation or gun reform. and to add to your point about the tree, it was such a spectacle on 6th avenue. a huge fire. thankfully no one was hurt. little known fact like nato with article 5, if someone comes after your tree we also have to come to their defense and they would do the same. >> an attack against one tree is an attack against all trees.
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while we have been calling it the comcast commerce tree and, of course, a very good name for that tree because every good little boy and girm across america and the world will be inspired after they go to run inside and get the willie geist nbc sunday morning "today" lunch pail. and why wouldn't you? i love the labeling of that. i think we have to do a better job naming this tree. i will say my concern, and i'm not speaking for anybody else here. as we talk about new york city and hoping that the crime rates return down low to where they were several years ago, i'm concerned about eric adams dealing with a city council that is so woke that they're allowing 800,000 noncitizens to vote in
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new york elections. come on. that's all i'll say. come on. more concerned about the safety of people in the bronx and brooklyn and queens and out on staten island and manhattan than they are impressing some people as reverend al would say sipping their lattes. how is that? latte liberals, i think he calls them. let's bring in -- this sort of veered off a little bit. "new york times" reporter and national security analyst michael schmidt, the author of the book donald trump versus the united states. michael, i would get you would have a unique perspective on what happened yesterday. we aren't used to seeing court decisions handed down that are
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as clear and concise and tough as the one this three panel d.c. circuit handed down yesterday. the language here, lives were lost. blood was shed. later saying there was a direct linkage between the president and what happened on january the 6th. that is a tough statement and i can't believe that unanimous statement doesn't send a message to everyone including members of the united states supreme court that the president's privileged claims are on shaky legal grounds at best. >> the best news in what has happened with this case is the speed. they want to be done by the late spring, early summer of next year. a real federal investigation
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would never have a time limit on it because you would want to take as much time as possible as the statute of limitations will give to you follow the facts, it to use every subpoena, to use everything can you to get to the bottom of it. there's a political dynamic to it that makes it much more difficult and ties the hands of the investigators. in that vein, the ability to stall out the clock. the fact this matter is moving at the pace that it is shows that there will be a resolution or should be a resolution in a timely fashion so that indeed if congress prevails these documents can be used in the report. we see through the other witnesses these attempts to slow down the investigation by filing
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lawsuits and contesting these things in court and even refusing to go to interviews and some people getting indicted for not doing that and not complying. but if these documents are as good as some people think they could be in providing a road map for the investigation, they could be on the timely track to have them, to finish the investigation in time. if the democrats were to lose the power of the house come next november, it would make this investigation much more difficult to finish if it's not done. >> and, of course, michael, a growing impatience among activists, members of the media and concerns there is a lack of transparency coming from the former trump administration officials who were dragging their feet and trying to run out the clock. liz cheney, of course, laid out
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very specifically what the committee was doing, that they did have a plan, that they were amassing great deal of discovery. there are lingering concerns merrick garland and the department of justice is not moving aggressively enough. you know those concerns are born out of the fact that even after the damning findings in the mueller report, even after two impeachments donald trump escaped justice time and time again. do justice department officials feel that pressure? >> there is a pressure throughout the government to try and help congress get to the bottom of this. congress has the lead in telling the larger story of what occurred here. there are dozens and dozens of other cases of individuals
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playing out in court where there wereations of many not just on the left but throughout the country who want someone to truly be held accountable for this and want new information that sheds light on what occurred, and can the committee get to that information? will this be a report that is simply an authoritative, well documented version of many of these books and newspaper stories that have come out about what happened on january 6th, or will it be something that truly moves the ball that provides us
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with a deeper insight, trump's role in it? will this be an investigation by congress that reveals new criminality or new angles to this that we don't know? and throughout the trump presidency as there have been these different investigations, the expectations have often undermined the product because expectations have been so high. >> expectations have been high and there hasn't been followthrough, certainly was not the followthrough on the mueller report even from robert mueller himself. the findings suggest there might have been. so, of course, as we talk about january 6th, it's hard not to turn our attention to the disinformation, the misinformation that has been coming out. you've had members of congress
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lying about the fbi that this was a false flag operation, others in the media have spread one reckless, crazy conspiracy theory after another desperately trying to push blame away from donald trump. we, of course, remember what kevin mccarthy, the guy who wants to be the next speaker of the house did on january the 6th where he called up donald trump and begged him to call off the rioters. begged him to call off the insurrectionists, and donald trump at first tried to say, well, it's not my people and mccarthy screamed and swore at him and said who do you think you're talking to? i know it's your people, it's your supporters. call them off. at that point trump said, well, i guess they're more upset about me losing than you. so this onslaught of misinformation that certainly started well before the election continues and shows no sign of slowing down from false claims
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of election fraud to conspiracy theories surrounding the election, the pandemic. there are real consequences to those lies. in california the president of the state's medical board says an anti-vaccine group is stalking her and came forward with her story on twitter this week. she says four men have been parking outside her home flying a drone over her roof and confronting her in a dark garage near her office. and in utah qanon-linked group is reportedly knocking on people's doors in an effort to rout out voter fraud in the state. let's bring in senior reporter at nbc news, brandy, to talk more about the stalking of the california medical board president. we had you on earlier this week talking, again, about qanon and misinformation. it's just so important because you guys do such an
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extraordinary job. talk about this particular case and how this is really emblematic of a much bigger problem happening all across the country, to school board members, to election officials, to other people who were just trying to do their job. >> yeah. this is the next evolution in a years long history since the pandemic started of people taking their grievances to places we never really saw them before, local meetings have always had a couple of wild ones maybe show up. it's been interesting to cover but nothing like what we're seeing now, and there was a great "new york times" piece showing health officials had quit their job across the country citing threats. we've had congress investigating. and what we're seeing now this
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specific case is the next evolution because she is part of the medical board so she is involved with those who have driven misinformation, they ran up and identified themselves as being with america's frontline doctors. they sat in the front of the supreme court, i believe, on the steps of the supreme court and said we have the answer to coronavirus. it is hydroxychloroquine. they brought a doctor, stella emanuel, from texas who believed that demons were the cause of all illness so this is a wild
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bunch but a multimillion dollar scam to sell people ivermectin and telling them not to get vaccines. none of the doctors have lost their licenses. instead, one is now florida's surgeon general so no consequences but that is starting to change now. state medical boards, one in five, are reporting they're starting to clamp down on this and starting to punish these doctors. and so that seems to me and to christina lawson why these folks might be after her. >> you know, willie, brandy brings up a great point, and a lot of americans duped may say why are they doing this if it's not the truth? it's about money. it's about following. it's about hits.
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qanon had all these cult drives to get new members by talking about children who were sold into human slavery and here, again, you have people who are making tons on these lies. the lawyer who is creating the most insane theories. why do they do it? there's a sucker born every day and they make them millionaires. >> there's always the promise that the theory will be delivered on. that date passes and the game
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continues. this is obviously a trend we've seen of threats of intimidation, threats of violence, school board members, doctors, state legislators. so what's being done to push back against this? is law enforcement taking this seriously? >> it varies state to state, location to location. police did look into it and say it was a suspicious incident. but it wasn't illegal to sit outside of her house and make her afraid. officials are quitting. you'd have to be crazy not to. why would you put up with this? you want to serve your community.
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these are the wild ones, crazy people coming to your door. i think it's an easy decision to say i quit. >> any federal response to this? the attorney general talked a few months back. there was harassment of medical personnel. is there anything from doj that could come here to add some protection to these people at the front lines who are being harassed online or in person? >> it's like in this country if we have a crime problem we have some muscle memory on how to deal with a crime problem that has gone on for decades, it's about policing, about bail,
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about policing, a history to deal with this. on the disinformation side i have no idea where we even start as a country on how to deal with that. in covering this, where do we even begin in terms of dealing with this? where do we start in a country where we cherish the first amendment the way we do? >> the doj did say they would start tagging threats of school board members and public health workers and even that was seen by conservatives as the school board is why are you targeting parents who care? we can't even come to a consensus on threatening public
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servants is a bad thing, we shouldn't do that. it's kind of hard to figure out what to do about this anyway. i just cover and report the bad stuff. i have no idea how to go about fixing it. >> and you do a great job of covering and reporting the bad stuff. brandy, the senior reporter at nbc news. thank you for your insight. "new york times" reporter michael schmidt, thank you as well. we'll see you both soon. still ahead on "morning joe" award winning actor and advocate joins us ahead of his annual event for the children and spouses of fallen military heroes. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪
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earlier with the support of vietnam veteran groups. every year his foundation helps the children and families of fallen military heroes including on a five-day trip to disneyworld through its snowball express program and we're so happy to have gary sinise back with us now. going back to the prehistoric days of scarborough country when we first started talking to you about it, and it's just so wonderful what you do and have been doing for so long. just share, if you could, from our friends that are watching, what it means to these kids, what it means to these families, this program. >> thanks for having me, joe. yeah, it's -- this initiative started back in 2006.
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a group of folks in the anaheim area wanted to bring children to the disney and i got involved a year later, 2007. i donated my band to play for the kids. these are gold star children. they've all lost a mom or a dad in military service, and so i started playing for them way back when. and then went back again and again and again. american airlines is a big, big supporter of this particular program. we moved from anaheim to dallas in 2009 and we operate for about nine years and wanted to move it to disneyworld. our initiatives in our relief and resiliency programs for gold star families. in 2018 we brought over 1,000
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children to disney, disneyworld, along with caregivers so it was spouse surviving spouses, probably 1,800 people total. we did it again in 2019 and then last year with the pandemic we couldn't bring the kids, so we created a virtual event for them, they can tune in to a lot of activities, a lot of entertainment. a lot of celebrity guests. a lot of fun. my band plays. we did a virtual concert for them and we couldn't bring them again this year so we're doing it again this year online t. launches tomorrow. it will be a day long event where all these families, over 2,200 families, maybe 6,000 people total will be tuning in online to the gary sinise foundation web pages to watch this virtual event. it's a healing thing, very bonding for these families. they're spread out across the
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country and then they come together and under the foundation they're one family going through it together. it's very healing. it's joy filled and we bring a lot of love and support to them. hundreds pitch in to help us out with this thing. >> gary, good morning. it's great to see you. i do a lot of work with veterans groups and you've been an inspiration to so many of us and your commitment to veterans and their families. i'm curious to ask you as the afghanistan war comes to an end after more than 20 years how do we keep veterans, these gold star families, how do we keep them top of mind even if the stories of the soldiers aren't in the headlines as they used to be? >> when you look at it, that has been the case on and off. if they're in the headlines,
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they get a lot of attention. if nothing is going on, they're still out there serving, sacrificing. people are still getting hurt. military service is ongoing. the defense of our country is ongoing. people like me in the public eye, people like you in the media, we can do a public service by drawing attention, raising awareness, pointing people to different activities that are going on, different organizations that are supporting in different ways. thousands of charities were started up post-9/11. mine has been around over ten years now and i've been at this a long time prior to that. there's a disconnect between the average citizen who may not have a personal relationship with someone who is serving and the
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military. so i've always seen my role the way that i can serve is by shining a spotlight on the men and women who are serving, on the children of our fallen who are grieving and going through difficult times to wrap our arms around them, lift them up. we do this every year. we do it year round. i've been involved with so many different military initiatives and organizations over the years and it became clear to me at a certain point this was a mission that was very important. i was committed to it, something i wanted to continue doing. raising money to do all kinds of dreams across many different military and first responder support spaces so you can learn more at the
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garysinisefoundation.org. >> you mentioned, of course, about the pandemic things are virtual. between the challenges of the pandemic with what we're seeing with inflation and a lot of people having a hard time particularly around the holidays, tell us a little bit more about what you do throughout the year, beyond the one annual event, to help people who have given so much, who now might be fine through no fault of their own really struggling. >> we're involved with many things throughout the year. of course the pandemic has shifted everybody's gears and everybody's pivoting and trying to make up for things that we would normally be doing under formal circumstances. but we stay in touch with these gold star families throughout the year. there's a big, big database, the gary sinise foundation with our snowball express and we stay in constant contact with them.
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we try to provide events in states all across the country throughout the year, smaller events. we want to provide this sort of umbrella where they can get to know each other. they can meet each other from state to state to state. learn who the gold star families are within the state and bring them together as often as possible and then one gigantic event we bring them together in one place. clearly we would prefer to be taking them to disneyworld to have fun and healing there. we do all kinds of wonderful things. at disneyworld. we can't do that now so we bring them together in this virtual event for the snowball families. they need to know they're supported. they're not alone.
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there are other families going through the same thing. they can bond with each other, and that's very, very important to children that are grieving. it may be the only grieving gold star family in that particular town. but when they come together they're one family and it's a lot of love, a lot of support, a lot of healing. very important. >> well, thank you for looking out for those families and for all of our veterans. garysinisefoundation.org. thank you for being with us. we appreciate it. coming up on "morning joe," the latest reporting that took him inside a california super max prison. he'll explain next. as a dj, i know all about customization. that's why i love liberty mutual. they customize my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. how about a throwback?
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welcome back to "morning joe." a live picture of times square at 8:41 on a friday. tonight msnbc will air a new documentary by the acclaimed artist jr called "paper & glue." the film what if art could change the world? in just a moment we will speak with executive producer brian grazer who teamed up with ron howard on this project. first correspondent more on jr's work. good morning. >> reporter: jr has been practicing this hybrid of gorilla and poster art for years. only now do we get this look at the process and the results. one of those places is inside one of the most dangerous prisons in all of the state of california, and we went inside. hope is a rare commodity in one of the roughest of the state's 35 prisons. >> this is up there in the top
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five. >> reporter: this lieutenant led me on a level four yard, maximum security. lieutenant, this is the yard, but where is everybody? >> unfortunately, just before we got here there was an incident. >> reporter: this trail of blood the result of a stabbing likely ordered by one of the ethnically based gangs that dictate much of what happens according to the lieutenant. >> in the level four yards it's controlled and manipulated by gangs. >> reporter: gang-ordered violence pretty high? what are the odds you could see a white person and latino person or latino person and a black person hanging out together in this yard? >> hanging out would be pretty rare. >> reporter: as part of an effort to break up the racial segregation the prison did something dramatic. in 2019 it invited the french artist jr onto the same yard to bring together inmates to work on several murals including this one in which they posed together
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visible only from the sky. featured in an msnbc films documentary "paper & glue." still visible another mural jr and the inmates created. even though there was a stabbing today and blood on the floor, right behind it is something that says there's a way out. >> 15 of the 34 involved have gone to our level three. >> reporter: a transfer to level three or lower security was possible due to avoiding trouble while incarcerated. it provides a path to parole in a system badly overcrowded. the warden showed me a gym that used to house inmates. >> the entire floor was full. >> reporter: to be able to release more inmates the prison system stressed rehabilitation programs like educational and vocational classes. >> we have this facility providing massive opportunities for the incarcerated men who have a desire to change their life and the way they do things. >> reporter: two of the three transferred to the yard after
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working with jr. all three are serving life sentences. on the level four yard, would you three be hanging out together? >> no. >> no. >> reporter: how come? >> politics would separate us. >> reporter: you can't have a white guy standing in between two latino guys? >> you wouldn't be able to sit at a table with them or play sports with them. >> reporter: what did you think when jr showed up. >> let's do it. the most incredible thing was them treating us with humanity and showing us that we could work together side by side and to be a part of a project so big, that experience itself helped me visualize myself as a member of society again. >> reporter: you have a big smile on your face. >> just remembering it is a fond memory. >> reporter: i think people on the outside look at a prison and think about the people who might be here as murderers, rapists, armed robbers, and would say why do you want to give them progressive, positive
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programming? >> most of these guys will get out at some point. what do it we want to breed? a less productive person or more productive person when they leave? >> reporter: and that is the central question in "peyton manning earp paper and glue. you see him in the film at the u.s./mexico border, and in the suburbs of paris, you guys. it airs tonight at 10:00 on msnbc. everybody should tune in and, joe, it is really a great film. >> it just looks absolutely just awe-inspiring. jacob, thank you so much. greatly appreciate that report and you taking us there, taking our friends there to watch and see this transformative art. let's bring in the executive producer of the documentary, brian, as artists everybody wants to make a difference. here is a guy, though, who actually risked his life to
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reach out with his art and try to make a difference in the life of people who, let's face it, are left without hope. >> well, that's what he does. that was just a -- is able to assimilate what he experiences in life or he sees inequality where he wants to elevate humanity. that's what he does. and so in this particular clip we're showing this prison, and i don't want to give away even more of that story. you'll have to see the film to know but somebody there with a prisoner in this maximum security prison with a swastika on his face but not really understanding the implication of that. the reason he put a swastika on his face was to actually just try to fit into that population as he entered it.
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and he didn't realize until he became socialized with jr and the other inmates within this community, which never really integrate with one another, the implication of that. that it's just hatred toward another human being, hatred to a population of people. in this case it's a white supremacy n. this case it's hating jews. so by the end, he actually asked jr if he would help him have this tattoo taken from his face. and it was really touching. and there's much more to it than that, quite frankly. that's kind of the life that jr lives and he's been doing this for about 20 years. >> hey, brian, willie geist. a shared experience to bring people together and to break down some of those barriers. i have to imagine as someone who does this for a living, produces film and tv and documentaries
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like this that was part of the draw for you? >> absolutely it was. it works within what imagine wants to make in terms of content itself, movies, television, documentaries, short form. and ron howard and i, since the beginning, and even with "a beautiful mind" and "apollo 13" which gary sinise, and in this case it's about identity. bring me identity to face the human beings that need identity to create self-worth, pride and advance themselves within their communities or within the world itself. >> hey, brian, it's jonathan lemire. congrats on the project. tell us more, if you will, about some of the stories you found inside. as you say, so much of the central theme is identity. another one might be redemption, people who have taken and made the decision to change their
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lives, to atone for what they've done, to get a fresh, a better start on the outside. how moving were these experiences to encounter while the project was being put together? >> well, a couple of things. one, i a theme of i care a lot about is to try to bring love into people's hearts. and that's what many of the movies and tv shows including "tick tick boom."which we just finished which lin-manuel miranda, the director debut, and i never had to go to prison and i had to put the time and education and energy into the movies and tv shows, and the mural he created on the border is this large scale mural of a child looking over the wall, not understanding what a wall is, and that is really powerful to
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me, because it's just the innocence of children and the equality of children all over the world, and not, knowing what that means is something that is quite unusual, and to feel the desperate implications of being locked out of possibilities in your life, it's just, from the very start of your life, it just seems untenable to me. and i think jr shows this in a very interesting and dynamic and compelling way, that evokes a lot of curiosity, and curiosity creates action usually, and that's i think what he's about quite frankly, is creating action. >> and because of you, the story has been brought to us. brian, thank you so much for getting behind this project. again, the film airs tonight at 10:00, on msnbc, brian, thank
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- the da's office is in complete turmoil at this point. - for chesa boudin to intervene in so many cases is both bad management and dangerous for the city of san francisco. - we are for criminal justice reform. chesa's not it. recall chesa boudin now. breaking news. and bad news of course for working class americans, middle class americans, who certainly are going to feel the pin inch their pocketbook, inflation spiked 6.8% in november, highest spike in 39 years. jonathan le mire, the white house was warning about this yesterday, trying to prepare americans for this number. still a high number. they expect it to burn out eventually but right now americans are really feeling the pinch in their pocketbook.
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>> certainly, joe. everything costs more right now. that's what this number reflects and we shouldn't lose sight of the context, of course about the pandemic, of course the strain caused by the virus, and the data is a little bit old the white house points out, it does not reflect declines of gasoline, natural gas, used cars, but the number is high, it is politically not a great one. they know that. that's why they were out yesterday trying to pre-spin this. and they anticipate it lasting for a little while but they come back to the theme, they do believe, and they don't use the word transitory anymore, they do believe it will break some point next year. when? no one knows but they do believe it will pass and they hope it does, certainly politically ahead of the midterms next fall and certainly more importantly just to ease the burden on the wallets of americans going about their day to day lives. >> of course steve ratner was on earlier this, more saying that
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he -- this morning, saying he warned democrats about that, dumping trillions and trillions of dollars into the economy, it's possible it will have an inflationary impact, republicans and democrats have done that since covid hit, understandably, in many cases, but right now we expect to hear more from joe manchin who has been warning about inflation, warning about dumping another $2 trillion into the economy. willie, i'm really looking forward to sunday and your interview with secretary hillary clinton, really extraordinary stuff, as doris kearns good win says this is something that historians will look back on and relish the opportunity to get these insights. >> well, thanks, joe, and it's a long interview, she was very generous with her time, and we covered a lot, even more than we could just show you, and she talked about instagram, and facebook, and something we've talked about for a long time, and she discussed this idea of
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instagram for kids and her quote to me, joe, was i will chain myself to the door, that's not happening. she's very active on issues that go beyond politics and concerns about what's happening to the country in washington. but well beyond, and you can see our full interview, a special two-parter this sunday, on sunday today. >> well, looking forward to that. and we want to thank all of you for being with us this week. it has been a fairly extraordinary week, but then again, the pace of the news doesn't seem to slow down these days. but remain optimistic. good days are ahead. i promise. see, if mika were here, she would hit me in the arm for saying that. >> counter-point. >> yes. >> i remain optimistic. and i know many of you out there do as well. have a great weekend. that does it for this morning. chris picks up the coverage right now. right now.
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hi, there, live at msnbc headquarters in new york, it is friday, december 10th, and we start with that breaking news, we just got the latest numbers on prices and inflation, and to say the least, they are not good. consumer prices are up 6.8% from where we were last year. the highest jump in nearly 40 years. up 0.8% just from last month. for people trying to get a read on the economy, this is important. the cpi number has become the one to watch. even more than the jobs number, as inflation pushes americans to laser focus on their every day expenses. over the past year, the price of meat has gone up 16%, eggs are up 8%, milk roughly 5%. and the price of gas is up 58% over the past 12 months. i want to bring in nbc's michael a -- monica

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