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tonight on all in. as the january six investigation continues. former generals raise alarm about another insurrection. one of those former generals joins me live tonight. then, new york city health commissioner on what may be promising data on omicron, and the importance of getting the word out on boosters. >> did you get the booster? >> yes. >> i got it. to >> know, don't, don't, don't. >> and what may be the hope for build back better on what they support. >> i do not believe that the situation is beyond repair but it is going to take a different kind of thinking to get out of it than it did to get into it. >> when all in starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm
chris hayes. top military officials are warning that was held last time, the military fire wall blocking donald trump's attempted coup might not hold again. a new opinion piece, top military strategist, major general paul eaton commanded operations to train iraqi troops. major general antonio offered the somewhat infamous report on abusive detainees held in prison in iraq. and stephen anderson who served directly under the general warned, quote, we are increasingly concerned about the aftermath of the 2024 presidential election and the potential for lethal chaos in sidearm military which would put all americans at severe risk. short, we are chilled to our bones at the thought of a coup succeeding next time. we are going to talk to major general paul eaton. but first, we should discuss how the fortifications did hold one year ago. while trump's attempted coup was insidious and reckless and
damaging to the very foundation of american democracy. it was also in many ways undeniably inept. relying on sloppy british phone calls and outlandish conspiracy theories. lawsuits that kept getting left out of court over and over again. and a big reason why the entire attempt was so half hazard was precisely because donald trump did not have the military on his side. of course, that is usually how close. work by definition, a coup is usually violent sudden seizure of power from a government that often involves the military. we have seen in countless countries around the world, libya, chile, pakistan, on an. on tanks rolling into town square to remove one by force. but that didn't have been following the 2020 election. thankfully there, the guardrails of american democracy are inculcated enough into the operational day-to-day culture of our armed forces. the military leaders didn't play along with this attempt to
openly subvert our free and fair election to overturn a democratic election. and again, to be clear, it was not for lack of trying from donald trump. because remember, this is somewhat a bit of a memory hold, but in the lead up to january six, he apparently realize that in order to carry out a successful coup he was going to need the military on his side. in a memo circulated internally in the white house just weeks before the election, trump's enforcers in the personal office recommended he fired then secretary mark in the man in charge of the pentagon. again, this was weeks before the end of trump's first term apparently i'll sting transfer. so what were his transgression's to be fired immediately? we'll just loyalty to donald trump specifically among other complaints. his refusal to use the force of american military to squash george floyd police brutality
forces. according to the memo, as per quote, publicly opposed to the president's direction to utilize american forces to put down riots. think about that freeze. to put down riots. he wouldn't go along with the president ordering troops to put down american citizens. and therefore he had to go. because the logic falls that if he did not want to do it in 2020, he would not use the military to quell protests after say a president overturn the results of the election he lost. or who knows what else. and donald trump agreed with that. he fired esper less than a week after the election. it is outgoing memo to staff, esper reminded the troops of their civic duty. quote, i want to thank you all for remaining apolitical and for honoring your oath to the constitution. going on to write, quote, always do the right thing. hint hint. okay, so they get rid of the head of the armed forces, right? donald trump's appointee at the
pentagon after the election. he is out of the pentagon. according to reporting by journalist bob woodward and robert costa, general mark milley, chairman of the joint chief of staff, quote, was certain that trump had gone into a serious mental decline in the aftermath of the election. he was reportedly very concerned with the president's mental state. mainly worried that trump might conduct a military strike but also that he might at tempt an attack on america itself. as journalist phil rucker, reported, they may try but they won't succeed milley told his deputies about a possible. you can't do this without the military. you can't do this without the cia and the fbi. we are the guys with guns. that of course is not an ideal situation defined in the democracy saying that we have the guns and you don't. but it is where things ended up with milley as the fire wall inside the administration, at least according to those reports. and determined to stonewall the commander-in-chief if necessary, not to foment a coup like we've
often seen when the military defies its leader. and in a statement responding to the milley reporting, trump said, quote sorry to inform you but election is my form of coup. and if i was going to do one of the last people i would want to do it is general mark milley. okay, i totally did not do a coup but if i did do a cool it would not be with that guy? he's knocking milley about his cool abilities. milley has refused to come in publicly about any of this reporting and clearly he was talking i think to a lot of reporters behind the scenes. he has insisted disloyalty's only to the only country and the constitution. to the country in the constitution. >> all of this is good. it's what we want to happen. that's to say the system works. so the authoritarian president was not able to weaponize the united states armed forces to keep our. after using a free and fair election. but as former top military leaders warn, amid new piece i
quoted at the top, it's not a status quo that we can take for granted. on january six a disturbing number of veterans participated in the attack on the capitol. more than one had a service record. a group of 124 retired military officials, under the name of flag officers for america, the east -- the others of the op-ed, go on to rake quote, the potential for the total breakdown, from the top of the chain to the squad, level is significant, should another insurrection occur. the idea of rogue units organizing amongst themselves, to support the rightful commander-in-chief, cannot be dismissed. major general paul eaton, served in the u.s. army for -- co-wrote that opinion piece with two other retired generals. general, i wonder if you can talk about the origins of this, peace and why you felt the need to write a. how it came about, what
precipitated? it >> it's great to be here and thank you very much chris. the piece was designed to address a failure to imagine. the republican party, has been imagining pretty well. the january six insurrection, was unimaginable to me, until i watched it unfold and various news outlets. in the intense of the al pad was to cause us to consider that intelligent people are doing why six january failed, in what they can do to correct the failure, the points of failure, you went through a series of steps, that we read and began to help trigger the op-ed, three governors, disputed here the commander and
and their national guards are. that's another opportunity that we had for command, failure and lack of understanding of how the chain of command works. with the indications and warnings that you laid out. with the fact that the republican party has gone to great lengths, to infect america, with this question of electoral suitability, with the fact that the election of 2020 was a fraud. and we have 39% of the gop, who do not accept that president biden is the duly elected president. we have 17%, of the gop. that used violence to correct that situation, and they believe it's appropriate. we wrote this op-ed. to correct that failure of imagination. that it can happen. that americans are going after it right now. and offering mitigating
opportunities to slow down the risk. >> i want to read some of the prescriptions you have. before i get to, that one more follow-up question. my read on what happened when you read what was happening at the pentagon, and milley and esper, again the fundamental small democratic cultural egos of the armed forces, at least at the top level, really did hold. and a deep level, the oath of the constitution, and this is not with the armed forces should ever, do is interfere in an election. that held, i think your concern though, is that could be a road in sustained attempts by the ex president, and his facilitators. to eat into that belief, at least among folks that are in the armed forces, which of course is 1.5 million people. >> indeed there is an active movement right now is part of
the gop, to infect the armed forces of the united states. with a doubt that the election process is just not what we expected it to be, to re-search tao. that we are conducting fair and elegantly delivered elections. there will be opportunities, for good americans. to conclude, that the election may not have produced results that are consistent with what they want. and we've just got to get after that particular threat. >> you are here. the pentagon should -- there must also be a review and how did then if i and deal with illegal-ness, and make the unity of command clear to every member. it does not matter who they answer to. no service members should not
say they didn't understand who they take orders from, during a worst-case scenario. obviously, 33 years in the u.s. armed forces as a general, you do a lot of planning. a lot of worst-case scenario planning. it's sort of the job. it strikes me that that's kind of what you're talking about here, but with worst-case scenario planning for, something catastrophic internal. >> indeed, few months before the last election. we had something called the transition integrity. we had four scenarios. this was developed by brooks and her team, when we did not consider, was the military, having a problem within each of those scenarios. what we are asking for, is to read team this. what we are asking for, is to have that burst of imagination. what can happen, and what do we do about it? that's the war game component that i think we need to see the nations do.
about two years before the actual election coming up in 2024. >> i wonder, general obviously you co-wrote this op-ed with two other retired folks. this is a topic of conversation circles in which you operate, if the aftermath of january six, the shock of it, the surprise of it. the possibility of further democratic arose, jim and watching that as a explicit project of certain, actors is that just something that circling a lot in the circles you run in? >> chris, here's the thing. all of us know, many in women, that we trusted, they were our friends, they may be our family members, and they are infected by this gop message, that the election was stolen. we all have these people. and we all know, that they are
smart enough, to know better. but for some reason, this feast of feel it's easy, to donald trump, has just compromised, the intellect and the wisdom of so many americans. we have a failure to imagine. and we have to fix that. >> it's a very profound point, i know that i've even spoken with former colleagues of michael flynn, who have a very hard time, squaring the individual they see now. in the things that he says, with the man that they served with. and they know there's a lot of people that feel that way about a lot of other different folks, i appreciate you taking the time, major general, thank you for your time. >> thank you very much for having me. all right, breaking news. the new york times, tonight the january six committee is waiting a criminal referral
just a few moments ago, breaking news of the committee investigating the january 6th insurrection. the committee is weighing in the possibility of recommending criminal charges against donald trump and others in his circle. quote, according to people briefed on their efforts, investigators are looking to whether a range of crimes were committed including two in particular. whether there was wire fraud by republicans who raised millions
of dollars off assertion despite knowing that the claims were not true. and whether mr. trump and his allies obstructive congress by trying to stop the certification of electoral votes. new york times washington correspondent michael schmidt is one of the ones who broke the story. and he joins me. now michael, take us through your reporting on this. it seems like there is a bit of an arc here in terms of where the committee might have started and where they are going as they have undertaken their work. >> look, this committee was established to create the most authoritative account of what happened on january six. like in many congressional investigations when they got under the hood and they took a look at what happened and they looked at these troves of evidence they have begun to consider whether that in the end they have to make criminal referral. vice chairman cheney really let the cat out of the bag on this
in the last few weeks. where she publicly read from the criminal code. and what we did is we went back and did some reporting and looked at the extent of how the committee is looking at the issue. the two biggest issues in the ones that you laid. out and look. a criminal referral has no real legal weight. but what it would do is it would possibly change the pressure on attorney general garland. the attorney general has been able to largely escape without having to address the question on whether donald trump is being investigated and whether he's not being investigated. he has escaped on that issue so far since coming into office. but if the committee, after eight investigation were to make and send a letter to the justice department saying, look, here is where we think there is criminality, it would put new pressure on the doj to at the very least be responsive to congress.
and to explain to congress what is going on here. >> it is a great point about the institutional dynamics that i haven't even thought of. i think that what has been clear about much of this even from a phone call from raffensperger, there is a lot of stuff in the record that we know. in reporting such as yours and others and other things that this happened that show that whatever the legal status of the president, he was trying to overturn the election. he was trying to stay in power based on the set of untrue and false statements about how the election. when the question is what that adds up to the department of justice. and your point is, this committee issuing a four role would have huge reverberation in the institutional dynamic of the meeting of the presidents actions vis-à-vis the department of justice. >> you would think that it would be something difficult for the justice department to not address in some ways given the largeness of that question. if you remember back all the
way to 2017, the democrats on republicans on capitol hill were holding up the nominations of top justice department officials, including the deputy attorney general. and what happened is that the pressure became so great. and they demanded answers about what was going on with the russian investigation. and it was to unlock rosenstein's nomination to get him confirmed. that the fbi director at the time, james speak comey, testified before congress and acknowledged that there was this investigation. he briefed lawmakers in private and he went out and said at a congressional hearing. that created huge reverberation in washington that combing was acknowledging it. he helped fire comey. >> right. that is a great point. what else can you tell us about the progress of the committee's work? because at some level there have been no public hearings
thus far. we have seen them come forward and gives some evidence. we have seen high profile cases of individuals who have refused cooperation. whether that is deep bennett who has a criminal referral department of indictment. versus mark meadows who is pleading the fifth like roger stone. but under the iceberg, hundreds have been interviewed. a ton of documents have been worked. and i'm curious what your reporting indicates on the progress on it. >> whatever they had, whatever they, know it was enough for list shiny to go out and say what she did in these past few weeks where she read from the criminal code. i think that this committee wants to be taken seriously. they want this to appear like it's a bipartisan effort that is following the facts. going out there and reading the criminal code is one of the more aggressive things that are progressive committee that has no criminal powers can do.
and what we were able to learn is that there is work underneath those statements. it was no accident that she was shaking it. there are different criminal codes that they have looked. the investigation has former federal prosecutors working on this. they don't want to be embarrassed by saying [inaudible] that would be ignored. they want this to be a truly serious thing. >> let me just play a little bit of what you are citing. hear her talking in a language that was lifted from the u.s. criminal code. >> mr. meadows testimony will bear on another fundamental -- before this committee. and that is when donald j trump through action or inaction corruptly sought to obstruct or impede congress's official proceeding to count electoral votes. this committee is entitled to mr. meadows testimony and it
will inform our legislative justice system. >> we should not hear michael, just a final note, my understanding is that there is a bunch of people that have been charged with obstruction of official proceedings. who actually stormed the capitol. this is an actual criminal charge that has been filed against a lot of folks who were there doing precisely that. >> as best as we know it, as best as our reporting shows, the justice department investigation is worked from the ground up. it has really focus on those individuals who literally stormed the capitol on january six. and as part of those prosecutions, some of those individuals have been charged with obstructing congress. now, the question is that can that be applied to someone who is not themselves literally obstructing congress. and these are larger legal issues. and the justice department would really have their way. but the question is, with the
committee do this and when with they do this? >> all right michael schmidt, thank you so much for both that great reporting and for joining us at the last second. i really enjoy and appreciate your time. >> thank you for having. the >> an absolutely jaw-dropping almost unbelievable look at just how quickly the new covid variant has taken over the country. as the holidays get underway, ahead. t underway ahead. olay regenerist, with 99% pure niacinamide provides 5 times the hydrating power of a prestige cream; while olay collagen peptide visibly firms and reduces the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles; and olay retinol 24 brightens and smooths the skin while you sleep. for dermatologist-recommended ingredients at an affordable price, try olay skincare.
aspects of this entire pandemic as we are about to enter a calendar year of it, is the fact that many republicans will not admit whether they are vaccinated or boosted. it is weird and cringe-y and awkward. even though it's just a simple question. they want to perform this anti-vaccine flirtation with 20% of americans which are salted against not getting the shot. this news, rhonda desantis from florida showed us what this kind of dalliance sounds. like >> governor, we are not
even sure what fully vaccinated means anymore. the other day doctor fauci said that we could be fully vaccinated means three shots. which is two shots of the vaccination and then one booster shot. have you gotten the booster? >> i have done whatever the normal shot is. and at the end of the day that is peoples individual decision about what they want to do. >> i did whatever that is the normal thing to do. what is funny about that preposterously answer from desantis is that his efforts to appease the faithful is that he has gone even more manga than donald trump. or more catholic than the poll, as we used to say. donald trump has declared that trump is fully vaccinated and boosted.
>> both the president and i are vaxxed. , did you get the booster? >> yes. >> no, don't, don't, don't. >> a very tiny group over there. that is interesting. i wonder what happened. you even heard the former president calling out and it is good that donald trump at all rally have announced that they receive their shot. as we've been discussing on the show a lot, weirdly behind booster doses. the center of disease control have estimated about only 30% of adults have received a booster. and nearly every day new data comes out showing that the booster doses are particularly important against the omicron variant. which has been able to evade a lot of folks with two dose vaccines. not entirely. but the booster boost its efficacy. today, moderna has announced that there shot significantly raises the chances of the fight against the new variant.
the biden administration anticipated this. neatly have prepared a big rollout. do you remember this? this is the headline all the way back in august. u.s. announces plan to offer boosters to all americans starting in late september. but then came the dissent. all sorts of folks of the world organization arguing that it would be unethical to give americans a third shot on many vulnerable people around the world. billions. that is an unethical argument. and i understand the doj for making. it but it's not a scientific judgment it's a policy judgment. to top vaccine regulators and food drug administration, doctor gruber, and dr. kraus, left the agency in part of the white house's booster plans according to the new york times. in an article written with other international vaccine networks of experts they claim that the data did not support giving all healthy americans booster. that supplies would be better used on the unvaccinated. they said that they were concerned about politics leading the science.
when in fact it was really the other way around. they are making a political judgment about where those doses are best used. but the science was clear. data from other countries, like israel showed booster doses work. president biden's plan to boost everyone was absolutely the correct one on the merits of the science. and it was essentially sabotaged out of good faith. but still destructively by a bunch of public health experts who are gated to themselves a larger policy determination about trade-offs and ethics and where the doses should go. and all of that has led to really muddled messaging. and lower levels of boosted have grown as omicron is flooding. this is a reminder, as much as folks say to trust the science, science should inform policy. but it can i determinate it. it is necessary to good policy but it is not sufficient. there are always going to be a lot of judgment calls that our
pepto bismol for fast relief when you need it most. tonight the white house announced a staff member that was in close contact with joe biden, who tested positive for covid. today the stuff is fully vaccinated and boosted and tested negative before boarding the air force one. the white house announced that president biden has a negative for covid. this comes on the heels of senators elizabeth warren and congressman do crow, all three fully vaccinated and boosted. all three saying that they're only experiencing mild since thumbs which is great. one thing clear about this new omicron variant is that it is highly transmissible. i mean really transmissible.
in fact, tonight, the cdc is reporting that it is now the most common variant in the u.s.. accounting for about 73% of new covid cases. look at this charge that the cdc put out. the orange color is delta. it is the dominant strain for the beginning of the chart and it accounts for basically all until now. this continues until december 18th which switches to omicron in purple. the world health organization said in areas of community spread cases of omicron are doubling in one point 5 to 3 days. which is an astonishing rate. on top of, that both moderna and pfizer appear to be less effective against the fast spreading variant. then we should note, more effective than nothing. on the other hand, there is also some real world data that is encouraging early data out from south africa saying that covid hospitalizations are lower in the omicron wave than
in previous waves. and while researchers say it's too early to make any prominence, so far it looks that even though omicron cases are spiking hospitalizations do not appear to have followed. it is still very early. take a look at new york city de where it is building rapidly. vaccinated people are on the orange line. it's still relatively flat. on the one hand, early lab research on omicron suggested it could be unprecedented and destructive. on the other, hand the real world data out from south africa is now a little bit from denmark and uk, does not seem to bear that out. which offers some real cause for optimism. so how do we square those two? doctor dave a. chokshi, is a new york city had department of -- it is great to have. you've got quite a task on your hands. first of all what data are you looking at in your perch as the
head of public health in new york city. to understand what this variant is doing? >> thank you so much for having me chris. yes, we are following data not just day-by-day but often by multiple times a day. the key is our epidemiological data, following the numbers of data and hospitalization and death. but we are also following our vaccination numbers very closely. as well as the proportion of cases that are estimated to be omicron. which right now and the new york city area is about 92%. >> 92%. it's interesting that you said the. because starting about a week ago, something has started happening in new york which is that everyone is starting to get covid. i have never seen anything like it. having reported through and lived through the pandemic multiple times. it was clear that something new was afoot.
what does it say to you about the rapidity of transmission? and what are your observations or what does the data suggest about people have breakthrough cases. have they've been vaccinated and boosted or vaccinated? >> the way i break it down is that we have to look at exposure, infection, and disease. when it comes to an exposure to the coronavirus turning into an infection, omicron is the fastest it is and most formidable version of the virus that we have seen. so we have to take steps to try and prevent that from happening. these are the flared precautions that you heard us talk about like masking and distancing. also better ventilation for almost two years. now we also do have to look at weakening the link between infection and disease. and that is where vaccines are
vitally important. and it will remain so even in the omicron era. it does mean getting as many people fully vaccinated as possible as we have done aggressively in new york city. over 71% of all new york city residents are now fully vaccinated. that is critically important. and we are now layering on booster doses to add yet more protection. >> i want to put up the data, because new york city is an interesting case study. 71% fully vaccinated across all age groups. another 8.2 partially vaccinated. so that's already almost 80% of the city partially vaccinated. it is a place that has high levels of antibodies from previous infections because it took one of the worst outbreaks from the entire world in the first wave back into the spring of 2020. and i guess that the big thing that everyone is going to look to in this city is, in the city of vaccination rate this, high
and omicron completely dominant. what does it do on severe loins? what happens to hospitalizations? because that is going to be an indication on what's faced the pandemic isn't and would face the rest of the country's in one expecting similar outbreaks? >> that is the critical question. and i will start by saying that we feel a lot of humility. this is my fourth wave in new york city. we have lived through it. we have responded to it as public health mediators. my approach is to bring humility. which means we are not going to take anything for granted. and we are preparing for hospitalization to increase. i expect that they will. despite those very high levels of vaccination that we have described. but i also want to emphasize, we are not powerless against. this we have a lot of urgency. we just have to bring all of the tools.
some of the ones that i have mentioned, starting with vaccination including booster doses were introducing higher and stronger mask. ventilation can also be fixed, cracking open a window or door. as well as testing, we have to bring to bear all of these layers in concern and we can't help but be blunt about the impact of omicron. >> we should say that the new york city operates a number of testing sites, a number of vaccination sites. we they have sent ventilator masks and as well as 95 and free rapid test, so the city of public health infrastructure is stronger than almost anywhere else. the big question that you are pointed on humility here, where are we now on the fourth wave? you are saying we have more tools.
i think people feel that but there is also this pit in the stomach feeling on how this got canceled, these three people got covid. >> well in new york city, everyone is feeling dramatic echoes from the first wave. those memories will be seared in my brain until the end of days. and no one wants to go back to that. but we do have to realize that we are in a different place. first and foremost, because of vaccination. but also because of all of those other layer approaches to safety. i'm really proud of the ways new york city has brought that into communities. actually meeting people where they are in neighborhoods to provide them with the resources that they need. and that is what will have to do. it will be a challenging few weeks. and the helps to save lives and to prevent people from suffering.
we could do that despite the challenges that omicron brings. >> crack a window at your gathering, get that booster, rapid test before you got together, that's my own personal advice. doctor dave a. chokshi thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. chris >> coming up, what was really behind joe manchin's decision to just unilaterally torpedo the biden agenda. apparently but maybe not. a path forward, next. forward, next
legislation. i cannot vote to continue to vote with this piece of legislation. i just can't. i have tried everything humanly possible. i can't get. there >> this week, joe manchin went on fox news to declares opposition to the presidency nature domestic safety net bill, the build back better plan. it's unclear if that means game over. one immediate result of his opposition will be on the expanded child tax credit. we've covered a lot on the show. more than 35 million families, including 92% households, started getting those payment backs. a cut the child poverty rate by a quarter in just its first month, according to researchers. that program will come to an and if lawmakers do not come up with the solution in just over a week. there is more evidence that the expansion of the child tax credit is the thing that manchin actually wants to get rid of. two sources tell how post, who drives a maserati, and lives on
a yacht, privately told colleagues that he told parents would waste the payment on drugs instead of providing for their children. and then americans would fraudulently used to propose sickly policy to go on hunting trips. the sentiment is not just told by joe manchin. in fact a lot of voters feel that way. too in fact it's not the core of why the social safety net looks the tattered way that it does. joining me now is david plouffe, campaign manager and senior adviser. and head of color of change heather mcghee. she is also the author of the sum of us. heather mcghee, when i saw the huffington post reported, your whole book is about this racialized suspicion that someone somewhere is going to get away with something or get some of them and if it. it ends up costing us the dream full of politics. and in this case it just seems
so apparent. the think that joe manchin is worried about. and this is not public. privately telling other lawmakers that someone somewhere is going to buy drugs or fake sickness so no one can have them. >> that's right. even though we know that their benefits to everyone. there are benefits that are still over consequence. beyond the affected families. as you said, 92% of the families in west virginia, a vast majority of them, wide and this is a benefit particularly for the child tax credit that goes way off the incomes scale. this is a recognition that is extensive to raise a child. and in every one of our peer industrialized nations do much more in terms of helping families do well and thrive. and the thing is, this is not over. and that is the one thing i want to say, chris, that is so important. i am hearing from advocates that they're going to ignite right after the holidays and
make sure that everybody in washington understands that this once in a lifetime shot for america's future is not just that but it's about whether we are going to thrive into the future. and that's why so many of the wall street banks downgraded our outlook if we don't take care of the steward-ing in our house. if we don't refill the pool of public goods for everyone. we need to stop having these somewhat racialized degrading attacks on government torpedo economic prosperity for us all. >> to fact check. they're a bunch of investment banks and goldman sachs are saying that they are revising downward. our gdp production for next. here they're doing this because manchin may be killed this thing. that is the tangible effect. which to me was like, i think
what is maddening about this is that people are saying that the democrats always get away with fighting these culture war wedges. and this whole bill was, here is some meat and potatoes. steps wherever you, are we're going to give you some money to raise your kid. we're going to help you hire someone to take care of your senior citizen. here is some daycare. here is some good investment and clean. jobs it was the whole theory. and now they're pulling 68% in west virginia. it is working at some level. but that is not enough for joe manchin. >> well chris, if we were talking on hbo i would tell you what i really think about this. but i'll tell you on what's i'll be picking up on what other, said when you are working in that building this is far from aaron stork in episode. every day it is hard and
terrible there are setbacks and things that you don't expect. but the question now, in the weeks, ahead as fierce as all of us, our is to focus on how do we help joe manchin or how do we help americans. i really do believe there's going to be an opportunity. later, the aca subsidies and prescription drugs reform on a huge investment in climate. in addition to the voting. right so listen, is by the end of january or mid february we came back and got a lot of original plans from build back better, and able to secure our democracy, i think will be able to be in a much different place than we are today. that is the goal. and i know how frustrating that. is but you can either basically say it is done. but let's remind people, that i hope with all of my heart this doesn't happen. but the democrats would lose control. and this bet is the senate map is in 24 for a while. so this is your opportunity to help as many people as you can.
>> i would agree with. to the point is that, no one can hurt joe manchin. joe manchin is joe manchin. he's got his house, his maserati, his coal brokerage, he's the senator, he is joe manchin. this brings me to the next point, heather, this reporting from the washington post is saying that manchin proposed a 1.8 trillion dollar package to the white house. it didn't have the child tax credit because he apparently really doesn't like that. but at this point, my feeling is wondering, the way to call the bluff is to literally give him the pen, you write the bill. and if that's what it takes to get 50, that is what it takes, right? saying it is over is essentially getting everyone off the hook including joe manchin and sinema. if you say, okay fine it's over then they are chilling. >> i think that you're right that if joe manchin has a
vision of what he wants, it's just so hard to complete that sentence. this one senator from a very small state is to say what the entire country should have on families struggling all over the country shouldn't shouldn't have. based on these outdated ideas on what it is that parents spend money. aunts this is actual data. don't worry, he doesn't have to look that up. he could just have his own classes impressions. but anyways, sorry, i'm running out of time. joe manchin gets with joe manchin wants. nonetheless, the question is are we having an a country that can be competitive because families have what they need? and that is the choice for joe manchin. and we need all of the rest of the democratic party to say what they have the answer to that question. >> david plouffe, heather mcgee, thank you both. that is all in on this monday night. the rachel maddow show starts right now. good evening rachel. >> good evening, chris thanks
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