tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC December 31, 2021 12:00am-1:00am PST
institution of american life doing enough to respond to the threat of democracy. what do you do about a congresswoman openly running for a quote, national divorce, then as the u.s. hits case records, randi weingarten on whether american schools are ready to handle omicron. and what we've learned about climate change in 2021. the year that is now ending with winter wildfires in colorado and near 70 degrees weather in alaska. when all in starts right now right now good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. this morning the associated press published an extensive and very well reported story on the attack on our democracy. this is the headline, quote, slow motion insurrection. how the gop sees's election power. now reporting from the ap was across the country. this was a slew of major
publications including in georgia. the houston chronicle intestine and the tampa bay times in florida. the wisconsin state journal, cbs news, the arizona daily star as well among others. the piece methodically lays out all the evidence behind one of the biggest stories that we have been following this year. the coordinated effort by donald trump and his supporters to the republican party to clear the way for trump's next attempted insurrection or coup. all year long they have been working to convince republicans that the last election was stolen. and then to put into place the infrastructure to control the outcome of future elections despite with the voters may stay. as the ap describes, it in battleground states and beyond republicans are taking hold of the once overlooked machinery of elections.
experts are sounding alarms, warning that the united states is witnessing a slow motion insurrection with the better chance of success than trump's failed power grab last year. the attack is happening of course on multiple fronts. people are infiltrating election boards or several candidates that denied the loss running for office and the key role in the election of the next president. for example, michigan, the republican party restocking members of obscured local boards that could block approval of an election. and while all is that is happening on the front line, donald trump has been endorsing primary challengers in an attempt to purge republican lawmakers who will not endorsed the big lie that he actually won the election. georgia, for example is backing congressman jody hice who is running up primary race against the republican, brad raffensperger solely over his refusal to steal the election. and he's backing david perdue against brian kemp. both raffensperger and kemp
didn't do what trump wanted to do which was to reach in and change the results for georgia last year or point the state electors to him. despite the fact that georgia voters went to the polls and voted for joe biden. then on top of, that all the new restricting voting laws were aimed from taking power from urban areas where republicans do not want democrats in control of votes. in georgia, one of these new laws is used to launch a review of operations in solidly democratic, fulton county, in atlanta which could lead to a state takeover. so, this is a really important piece of reporting by nicolas rick hardy. it is really well done. you should read. it and it puts to get the full picture of this republican power graph. it is really significant that it comes from the associated press. which is one of the most important journalistic outlets we have. the ap was founded 175 years ago. they have burrows in nearly 100 countries. they are scrupulously nonpartisan, non ideological. and so it is noteworthy that
they are through their reporting, recognizing and communicating the plain truth about what is happening here in the u.s.. this report speaks to what is likely to be one of the biggest challenges of 2022 as we near the beginning of a new year. the one year anniversary, the first violent transfer of power in this country since the civil war. the question is, will our american institutions be able to deal with what is unfolding in front of us? the press, including the ap, is a big part of that. but also the courts and local governments, nonprofits, all of the americans in the society have and i've had for a while a two party system in the country. we've had the opposing sides, different collisions and all sorts of issues from taxation. but the system has historically functioned within the boundaries of what you my call, normal democratic politics. well at least in the last four years. and not one of those coalitions
is fundamentally radicalizing under basically explicit anti-democratic and authoritarian matter. led by the twice impeachment who attempted to violently overthrow a free and fair election by whipping out a mob and hurling them at the capitol. how will our main she respond to that threat. that will be at the finding or the defining question in the new year. mehdi hasan, is a stream us on msnbc. we also have mona charen who hosts the podcasts "the beg to differ". and david plouffe, seniors visor to president obama. i thought that we would start with each of you going around about how you see this. in terms of how central this question is to american politics in american democracy survival right now. and how you expect or view
mainstream institutions responding to the growing threat which i think all three or four of us agree is quite apparent. let me start with you mehdi hasan. >> chris, i'm glad you started the way that you did. it is the biggest issue facing us. it is the biggest issue that in this past year. it will definitely be the biggest issue in 2022 with the midterms coming up. i know that we journalists always say that the midterms are the big deal and they are important. but this 2022 midterm elections are. because i'm of the view that if the republicans take the house as the polls suggest that they will, they will not certified democratic victory in 2024 in current trends. that is what we are headed towards in a massive constitution and democratic crisis. the ap's citing is so important precisely for the reasons that you collaborated on. i would say two things though very quickly about that report, and i urge the viewers to read it because it is so stark and it is kind of scary. the ap says at one point that
experts argue that what we are seeing in the tightly covered election is unprecedented. and i would say two things, number one, even -- have to had begun experts. no experts don't need to argue. it's happening in front of our eyes, it's an undeniable fact. what is happening is unprecedented. and what i want ap to do is to go further. i want them to say what is in front of our eyes. i would also say, if the ap are the media organizations conceive that what is happening now is unprecedented in terms of the republican party politics than our media coverage is of what is going on is unprecedented. it has to be different. we can follow the same rules. we can follow the same nonsense an outdated bs. we have to be very quick. we have to say we aren't bias. journalists have to be biased toward small democracies. we if we aren't -- we have to be very clear of
what is at stake. and we have to be very clear about what the media has to do. it's an interesting point because i think it's something that echoes in the crossover episode that i did that aired last week, it will be airing again tomorrow in an interview that i did on what is happening. in the interview, we said that journalists are allowed to be bias in terms of a certain thing. one of them is the foundation for each expression which is essentially liberal democracy. we can view that as part of what we are allowed to advocate for. and mona charen, i wonder where you come down on. this because i feel unsure about what i want from everyone other than the focus. i think the focus on understanding what is up in the is the key beginning to anything else. and i'm not sure what comes after that, i have to be on us. >> i would say a couple of
things, first of all it's really interesting. when we look at polling and we wonder if democracy is under assault, we got a huge percentage of republicans who are [inaudible] so the republicans believe that they have the last election stolen. and therefore democracy is under attack and therefore pretty much anything is fair game in fighting that against the theft of the last election. so that is the one sort of crazy line that we are dealing with. the people who are actually a threat to democracy are defending. it that's one thing we have to wrap our minds around. the other thing is that among certain conservative intellectuals there has been a kind of complacency that i have seen with the say, look, trump wasn't able to steal the
election when he held all the leaders of the presidency. and therefore the idea that he will be able to do it in 2024 is ridiculous. but that misses the point completely. the fact is that the attempted 2020 is completely slashed back. there was the riot, there was the pressure on legislators to ask mike pence to fail to certify the election and so on. the whole thing was thrown together in a series of weeks. this, what we are seeing now is much more methodical. and with two thirds of the republican party believing that the election was stolen and therefore steps must be taken to rectify that in the form of removing secretaries of state who don't except the big lie, given more power to republican state legislatures so that they can affect the vote of certification in swing states
and so forth is being methodically plotted out for the next time. it will be slapdash next time. and so that is where we have to begin to focus on. the ap has done it service to bring this to light. one >> and david, i'm going to come to you in a second. but to piggyback off that, look, the most straightforward way that this goes down which mehdi hasan just mentioned, and i think it's important for everyone to remember this, a majority of republican caucus in the house voted to not see the electors from states that joe biden won. in doing so, what was introduced on january six was essentially a congressional veto of the peoples choice for president. there by the congress gets to decide, that you guys said you want to joe biden but no we are
going to vote to nazi electors. that bill didn't happen because it didn't work in the votes. but they might be able to get the votes next time. and all this other stuff happening at the level of the county election level is -- in which you have a principle in which the new system is essentially a supernational veto of the peoples choice for president by this in congress, you don't even have to do anything very complicated. that is what is so -- there is not even >> chris, you have to talk about the democrats. you have to talk about they have him perform the electoral act. which is the piece of legislation which will permit that nightmare to unfold. it would be under current law. and so the democrats have the opportunity to reform that horrible law and they haven't done it. >> i am 100 percent on board on that. and david, what more do you want to see happen this year as
safeguards? >> well, chris, the ap story comes at an important time. because i happen to believe that in 2025 whether america's in the mock rusty or autocracy is important. and so we need action. we need the senate democrats to act. in january. if not, they are basically waving a white flag. so 60 to 65% were of americans firmly believe that there should be a democracy. and voters should decide elections. that we shouldn't rig them with state legislators or members of congress deciding regardless of the vote. so we also need voters. there needs to be a coalition. not forever, maybe four to election cycles. where you get republicans and independents to say that they questioned democracy. i think that does require people to really believe that is the trend. it's the voters right now on republicans who are making this decision. i think a lot of people feel as if no one is going to do the.
and i think that the thing that we've learned with this version of republicans would trump was still the leader is that you better imagine the worst-case scenario. now, they may be terrible out as executing it but they are trying. it another getting organized. they are going to have the truth. and the real concern that i have is in most republican primaries in most states for congress, governor, etc, the people are gonna drive those believe that the election was stolen. they don't really care if they were held with democracy. that is where we are. so it's going to take the media, the senate, etc. build back better -- if they don't save their democracy, i don't have time either. they have to figure out a way to get this together. we didn't want to carve out the filibuster, but we have been
left no option. >> i think that's a really good point. i agree. it starts there. it starts with the senate filibuster. but we need to go to mona charen's point. the latest that we have in the ap is the one run from july. there may be more recent, but 66% of republicans do not think that joe biden was legitimately elected president. >> chris. >> i can't imagine that things have gotten better in the meantime. >> chris, that point in the polls just stunning. but also the point that mona charen mentioned. that is that voters have this view. we talked about senate democrats, david mentioned senate democrat, we mentioned the media. let's talk about joe biden. the most powerful man in this country sits in the white house. the presidency. why is he not leading the charge on this? it is a great frustration for me. the 2021 saw him do many good things. i've pressed's work on the economy. i princes work on vaccinations.
but when it comes to this issue, the most important issue of all, he hasn't been there up front leading. we get a glimpse of abc news interviews like the one he gave the other day saying yes, we should make a cough or the filibuster. he's at the same thing a couple of months ago. but where is he leading the charge against the filibuster? because if we don't get rid of the filibuster there is no saving the american city. where is the charge against leaving the big lie? where is the plot in which the ap identifies. the other day when we saw trump was covering up his covid debate. biden was asked by reported, what is your reaction to that story? biden said, i tunnel to think about him very often. which was not a very clever response from the president. no, sorry joe biden. you should be thinking about donald trump. because the man incited an insurrection. he's getting and planning the next one. so you should be thinking about
donald trump. >> i want to talk about the question of democracy, the question of the sort of insurrection, but then there is also increasingly outright sedition talk. so if you guys stick around, the national divorce proposed by marjorie taylor greene, supported by a whole bunch of other people, we will talk about that next. about that next.
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what do you do about an increasingly outright seditious faction of a lack for a better active. one that we haven't seen in this form since, i don't know, arguably the civil war? to help me answer that is mehdi hasan, mona charen and david plouffe i. you know i really don't like how there's so many indications from the civil war wondering when we're going to get to use guns. i find a really gruesome and nuts. you've got marjorie taylor greene as a ridiculous figure. but she is a u.s. congress person who is in some ways the vanguard of most republican people will. be someone is complaining about the fact that you can't discriminate against transplants from california new york to move from texas and florida. this is a problem. so her solution is that it
would be possible in a national divorce scenario. after democrats voters think it would be wise from going to another good state like florida. brainwashing people who moved from california to new york need a cooling-off period. and there's some part of me thinking, it's marjorie taylor greene, she's a troll. what on earth. this is a u.s. member of congress talking about tearing the union apart. and it feels weird to say in 2021 but i support the union. i like the union. i am pro union. >> they have union clubs. >> yes, really strongly. i strongly support the union. >> you are really out there chris. i have to say. it would be bad enough if it were just one slightly adult conch gross person. but the fact is that marjorie taylor greene is very much in touch with the grass roots of
where the right-wing entertainment complex is. we also saw earlier this year, allen west, a big figure in the texas gop. the head of the texas gop in fact. talking about secession. you have heard the late rush limbaugh bob talk about the possibility of secession or civil war. so it is out there. she didn't originate this kind of talk. i'm part of this can be added to the long endless lists of grotesque things that are coming out of the right these days. but the other thing about it is that there is no way to separate americans by state. i think the civil war did establish, for sure, that secession is not a possibility. but not only that.
every state in this union consists of red areas and blue areas. liberals and conservatives living side by side. we are not going to have tennessee saying that we are succeeding from kentucky. >> yes. >> so there's absolutely no way to draw a line. we are stuck with one another, and we have to live together in peace. >> amen. i couldn't agree more with what should be an uncontroversial sentiment. although, again, david, part of the issue when we talk about building the coalition we need a popular front. we need one in favor of american democracy which has the politics of the people in the panel for instance. on a variety of issues it may differ but i think all of you can agree and cannot be part of the popular front in favor of the preservation of american liberal democracy.
but part of the issue that we are going to face this year in the midterms is that voters, swing voters particularly, don't seem to be penalizing the republican party for the democratic backsliding. and i think in some ways that is understandable. people are going to be focused on inflation or prices are unemployment, whatever it may be. they are not going to penalize them that way. but then they end up in this very weird situation in which the republicans can run this normal election of a referendum on the party which tends to go well for the other parties. this is on the way to doing something professionally and admirable plea dysfunctional. so your campaign guy. how do you make that front and center in the actual voting and campaign? >> it's a big challenge. there's no question about that. i think that a lot of this will depend on who comes out of this republican primary.
i think most of them are not going to be glenn youngkin pickers. there will be people who want stages and debates in the ads to say that the election was stolen. they will commit to democrats who win elections. most of them will go as far as saying secession but they will support all of these election efforts that the story captures. and i think you can pin them a little bit. and i think on the previous discussion, i think that most republicans, even those who are firmly in the autocratic campaign, will not go so far to say that we must have succession. but they do want is we to have all of the power. and why is that? i don't think it's really because of policies or issues. they don't want to be held accountable. they don't think that the people stormed the capitol need to be held accountable. we know that they do not want an independent media. they like what they see in places like russia. where the people on the side of the autocrats have all the money.
and everybody else has the potential of being in jail or killed every day. this is a desire for absolute power. they are not going to get it through secession. i think that they can get it through guaranteeing that they don't lose election. so i think that the republicans to come out of primaries are going to be a big part of 2024 as well. my personal view is trump is not going to run. i may love to eat those words. but he is not going to win the republican element. but whoever comes out of the other side in 2024 is basically on the autocratic side. you can hit them. but that will be the big question. i think it's easier to make the argument in 2024. but we have to try to make it. now >> to david's point, mehdi hasan, this is what's structures american politics. and the way that i always preceded is that the right keeps losing the culture but losing the culture war. and those two things are
related. they kind of play off of each other. to the extent that they view the vast expenses and huge loss of american culture to be alienated to them. we and it is created by people in large metro areas and broadly liberal politics are not concern to trump voters. this desire for power that david is talking about is essentially that politics will be the means by which we wrench this back. politics is the means by which we wrench this back. and that is an authoritarian impulse. because politics can't be the mean that used to with the culture. you just have to win the culture by persuading people or making better tv shows. politics cannot be the means by which you do that. but that is the tool that they see. >> that is true. >> yes it is. i'm over talking about culture, we're talking about race. >> yes, of course.
>> it has to do with people saying that we are losing this city to black and brown horse. she is from that state. so let's be very clear about what the republican party wants to hold power and who wants to hold power on behalf of. marjorie taylor greene, as you pointed out, is a troll. but it's not either or. she can be a troll and a serious threat to democracy. she is very much more in touch with the republican base than most of her quote, unquote, mainstream republican colleagues in the house. she is a dangerous figure. you pointed out the tweet of the national divorce. she talks about with the cooling off period and people not being allowed to vote. does that apply to donald trump? he moved from new york to florida in 2019, is he not a lot to vote? but on a serious point, there is a tweet that we didn't put up, which i urge everyone to look, at because it's horrifying. she refers to democrats as freedom killing termites. that is the phrase she used. termites.
my parents are from india. the far-right bjp, a minister from the bjp caused huge control for immigrants -- and that sounds like the kind of language that we had in rwanda. with the murderers, the genocidal maniacs referred to their opponents as cockroaches. you go back to the nazi period, referring to jews a threats. that is a language that people like marjorie taylor greene are being into politics. it's dehumanizing your opponent and we know where that leads. 21 million americans are open to using force to restore the presidency to donald trump. that is the climate in context in which he's making these wrongs. >> i am glad you said that. i think that the one thing to take away here to david and
mona charen and mehdi hasan points here is, as a prime objective, including the electoral act, it is a ridiculous ticking time bomb. it is someone coming to your house and going down to the basement and saying that your boiler is about to explode. that is basically what happened in the last election with the electoral count act. we went down there and it was like, oh no one is looked at this in a few years. this is going to blow up and we are going to take the whole thing with. and so that priority, i think we all agreed on is that -- >> the president has to leave. >> i agree. mehdi hasan, david plouffe, mona charen, thank you very much. have a wonderful new. you're still tough decision for school districts across the country. kids are going back to schools.
we're seeing a huge surge in covid cases, that thanks to the wiley transmissible omicron variant. first time ever that more than 1 million new covid cases around the world, every single day. and that's just the cases that are being counted. today in the u.s., it looks like 600, 000, which is a new record. what does that mean for all of us? you should prepare yourself for january that's gonna be disrupted in all kinds of directions. a lot of people are gonna get sick. they're gonna have to isolate. and that includes of course the schools, as well see cases among staff and teachers, and children probably continue to go up. many school districts are frantic bring kids and teachers back from the holiday breaks. some are taking measures of their own hands to curb the spread like in d.c., we're public school students and staff are required to show negative covid test results before turn school. i'm joined now by the president american federation of teachers,
randi weingarten, it's great to have you randy, and i think -- i guess i want to start with where you feel like your membership is, about the return to school after this holiday break. >> so, first off thank you for having me. everybody -- i've talked to a lot of people, of text a lot of people. everybody is apprehensive. they are concerned. there is essential that we are gonna try to do everything in our power to reopen schools in person because we all know how important that is for the social, emotional, mental health well-being of kids. we are watching carefully the transmissibility, which like omicron dissent is a different cat. we know, and i've been on the phone with people from south africa, that vaccines and boosters seem to be working.
there is a much milder case if you are vaccinated, or boosted, or have some kind of immunity. that's the good news. testing, testing, testing. the mitigations we very important. i would say, that we have to prepare for contingencies. washington d.c. is the best reopening strategy. lots of places can't do that because we don't have consent from parents on testing. new york's showering school testing it and 95. that is would l.a.'s doing. that is what we've been recommending to people -- all across the country. we have to prepare for the contingencies, and also know that this is just gonna be like with the airlines that are
transiting. people are gonna get sick. and they have to stay home if they're sick. and they have to isolate. and we gotta get through this with grace, the best we can over the next month. >> i think, so the airlines are an interesting model i. what we've seen in the airlines during the holiday season is, we haven't seen this insane diminished lockdown sort of empty here ports, empty plain. airlines are flying. they are booked. but they are canceling a lot of lights. and the reason they're fights is because inevitably they're reaching staff shortages when there are outbreaks among crewmembers and pilots of the like. it seems to me that, that's the best case scenario for schooling. you are isolating cases early on. you are getting them out of school. the system as a whole keeps going, but you may have closures in places where the outbreaks are too bad to keep the school.
>> i think that that's probably -- and you can hear a hesitant i am because we all want schools open -- but that is probably the best case scenario. people are gonna get sick. this is really transmissible. it doesn't matter how much you take precautions, and that's why beg people, that you have to get vaccinated and you haven't please use the next few days to do that. but if the schools do the kind of testing that new york is trying to do, that we are trying to push to chicago to do, i don't know what's going along with maryland that washington is doing -- they will probably be able to have lots of places open, but there will be pauses in different times like cleveland's pausing for a little while. washington d.c. is starting two days later in order to do this. the goal is, how do we make
sure that kids are safe, families are safe, and educators are safe. and we try to normalize as much as possible. and hopefully, just like in south africa, this is 48 weeks, and then we can revisit after that. but i am worried about, more than anything else, is the polarization and the demonization -- it's so intense in the country. that this is covid and omicron, this is a different cat. and we have to fight it, not fight each other. we need parents and teachers to be together, and team together, in order to help art kids recover in or in would've been the worst year ever. we need to work together! >> i don't to cover that, i think you're sort of alluding to the fact that the school discussion in particular is utterly deranged -- i would love it if it were not.
that i would say this again -- i said this throughout -- we are public school parents. we are oddly -- my mom was in the system in new york department of education, she was a teacher, shoes administrator. i'm utterly in debt for the rest of my life to the public school teachers who have done incredible job educating my kids. and they continued educate my. kids and they want to make sure they're safe, i want to make sure my kids are safe. but also really one of the school! not because i want to hang out my kids at home, but because it is necessary for their social, emotional, intellectual in development. if you forget away to make all three of those things happen to omicron, i'm glad to hear you say that that's the goal. and they'll be of the check back in and week or so. -- one heart and a week or so -- >> thank offer teachers, they got for parents and caregivers. we are gonna try the best we can. >> all right, it's been a record breaking year and a really bad way. some scary news from the
it's home of 6000 people. is the largest sodium quarterback island. as you can see is really far north. which means, this time a year, it's usually of course, in the winter, a very cool place. p on sunday -- it hit a record. it's 67 degrees, fahrenheit. that is the warmest temperature ever recorded in december in the entire state of alaska. the kodiak airport, at 65 degrees, will be the previous daily record by 20 degrees. the last record high temperature on december 26 was just, 45 degrees set back in 1984. that was the old record. that's a good basketball teams going to have to point. again not only that, but according to national weather service is the warmest temperature on rather for anytime between october 5th,
and april 21st. mean this would've sent monthly reference in month june january february march as well. it's not a fluke of course, of course a climate assessment alaska that a warming twice as quickly as the global average estimate of the 20th century. it's warming faster than any u.s. state. of course climate is not just a problem in alaska, 2019 as analysis said -- well pacing workers by 2 to 1. the fire was corroborated by the environmental protection act. -- >> not only like record highs that we see. the story playing out right now in high-def, it one of the oldest other coldest place in the world. were melting ice putting hundred million people at risk. we'll talk about that, next. next.
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all which, yikes. it's about a huge glacier -- that scientists say the florida. that glaciers known as, yikes. is holding back enough ice to raise seal around the world for about ten feet. the ice shelf holding that ice in place could be gone in less than a decade. i'm gonna quote from you from this new, please if thwaites glacier collapses, it opens the door for the rest of the west antarctic icy to slide into the sea. globally, 250 million people live within three feet of high tide lines. ten feet of sea level rise would be world bending catastrophe. it's not only goodbye miami, bug bite of virtually every law wide coastal city in the world. jeff goodell have that piece of rolling stone, at he joins me now. jeff you've been a great climate reporter for many years, i've read you last book, about flooding. describe for me the fine here, there's a difference between a shelf, that the glaciers on the
glaciers, is that right? >> there's been a lot of confusion about. this was recently been kind of revealed, is that the ice shelf works like a fingernail a grows off the glacier itself and is floating in the ocean, it's cracking up. they found some major fishers and fractures in that i shelf. one of the scientist that's most recent study the said the ice shelf can crack up within five years. which is a very big deal in itself, but that's not what's going to raise sea levels. the shelf is already floating, so it's like ice cubes and watch the water. discover key melting can raise the water level, but it does work -- holding back the greater self. there's a giant glacier, the size of florida. but once that mattresses, gondolas don't tell me how long it will take before that
glacier can begin collapsing. i would really important to note about the way -- it's different than a glacier in the world is that it's not melting like a popsicle on a sidewalk on a hot summer day. because of warmer weather. it's melting because the changes in the ocean current temperature, are just water two degrees, that warmer waters are getting underneath the ice shelf. it's getting underneath the glacier self. and the concern is that by melting from below it will destabilize a lot of the glacier. most of the glacier! and the whole thing equivalent phone to the sea, curling dumping a whole bag of ice into the water at once. and that is a catastrophe. >> right steve gutters i shelf, this cracking, and that's what's cooking about that is it's a key protector for the glacier. it's a buffer zone, if the shield, it's the thing that stands between in the water. to the extended that goes away that reduces the protection of
the entire glacier has. and now it's being attacked, essentially structurally, by warmer water. and the warmer water is being driven by climate change. >> exactly! exactly. what's important is that, what is many thing that's important. but one of the things that's most important, is to create an example of how we talk about one-degree warmer, and two degrees of warming, what changes with every to a world? and of course for seeing that in places like alaska -- and the wildfires in colorado right now. but in antarctica really show that even tiny changes, even one degree of changes in the water temperature is enough to destabilize this entire eye sheet. which has huge consequences, for world. >> and it also speaks to the fact that it's happening, the most extreme places that we're seeing -- the most extreme manifestations
of climate change that we're seeing is now in the north pole, and they are in those places the world. in the arctic. where the changes are the most intense. but they have repercussions for all of us that don't live in the arctic. that's the other obvious before the mental thing to get your head around here? >> that's one of the really hard things communicate about climate change, and about why this crisis is so urgent. it's that is not just that it's 70 degrees, or 75 degrees between here in texas where. it's not just what we see and feel in realtime around. it's these much larger changes that are happening to a world. and places that are variable from. but they have incredible consequences. when i was at -- thwaites glacier couple years ago, i was a research vessel. we went right up to the face of it was his incredible moment of encountering the sort of, a
fellow being out of the planet. it was also, i know, from my work as a journalist, that would happens there, as a direct impact on miami beach real state. it has direct impact on supply chains of houston. and the risk of extreme storms in -- and flooding off the gulf coast. it's making these larger length knit so hard to benjamin round. and why it's so important potential to the climate crisis. >> you last book, it's called the water will come, is that the last book? >> yes. >> yeah, i love that book. i would recommend it people, it's a really good book. i should also know that you mention the wildfires. they're wildfires right now outside bolder in december. i think there are 600 buildings that have been consumed, including i believe, if i'm not mistaken a hospital that have these been evacuated or threatened by. is in december, which is of course unheard of.
and it's a natural, and another indicator of how awry things have already gone and how much worse they will already get if you can't do everything can't. jeff goodell, great reporting, many thanks. >> thank you from. chris >> so that others were all in, this year. i would say, if you are about to go into this new year warning someone that you lost this year -- i want to offer my condolences. i'll tell you a lot of people or think about people they lost this year, people that got sick this year. hardships they went through. and i hope everyone can be as kind to each other as possible, so each other grace, in this new year and struggle together for a better world. the rachel maddow show starts right now, with amy remedy -- rachel, good evening. evening
ever tested. it remains, believe it or not, till this day, the most powerful nuclear weapon ever detonated. i know this is going to sound almost impossible to comprehend. it was 3,333 times stronger, stronger, than the bomb that was actually dropped on hiroshima. because this was the height of the cold war, because it was at the height of the arms race between the soviet union and the united states, the men who designed this bomb, the men who brought the soviet union to this glory of having the strongest nuclear device in the world, as you can imagine, they were heroes. stn is how one of those ee scientists, andre sakarov, was