tv [untitled] July 28, 2011 9:30am-10:00am EDT
it's now here in moscow this is now washington is refusing to stop its recognizance flights in a china despite spacings outrage over violating chinese song frenzy expects a the asian countries rapid military rise is a headache for the pentagon which fears losing its role dominance. the kremlin is responding to a u.s. travel ban on officials linked to the death of a lawyer in custody with
a list of americans who he balled from entering russia moscow's angry at washington's move saying the investigation into said needs these deaths is still ongoing. he waved his baking russia right now whether it's raising fears that deadly smalled might return to the capital but while five seasons on the way along with underground peat bogs rise which caused choking spoke to blankets moscow last year. asks if the norway atrocities raise the threat of europe wide terrorism far right extremists.
my. blog on the welcome to spotlight the interview show on the parties and i were not and today we will talk about the tragic events can't know. the man who massacred at least seventy six people said his goal was to warn you you're a part of the failure of its multicultural problems today many people including myself are very skeptical about how multiculturalism works so we have discussed it in spots like with you several times but what makes a skeptic take a gun and dynamite is the norwegian terror is just a madman will receive your placings a terror threat from a leo not see it from his won't discuss it today with an editor in chief of the russia in global affairs magazine that will count. it began with a huge explosion near government building in the center of norway's capital. a car
bomb killed at least eight people a couple of hours later a man dressed as a police officer began a shooting spree on an island i was know the targets were members of a youth camp run by the governing labor party the rampage last did ninety minutes before the police finally arrived at least sixty eight teenagers most now lives a gunman surrendered to the police immediately after their ironical thirty two year old angers brevik admitted he was also responsible for who was in the explosion privett was a member of the right wing populist progress party for a number of years he confessed to have authored a fifteen hundred page manifesto which stands against multiculturalism and this part of the manifesto is a day by day diary describe in preparation for the massacre. agree they appear to coast court hearing in oslo on monday claiming he wanted to see europe from muslim
domination and seen he had two more groups of collaborators the same day hearings were held thousands of people went out on to the streets of those to participate in the rules march in memory of the victims of the attack and youth camp shooting the mastermind of the atrocities and spent two weeks in solitary confinement awaiting these next court appearance great it could reportedly be sentenced to thirty years in prison the measure of punishment in norway for crimes against humanity. well the initial reaction in the west was that the attacks had been conducted by muslim jihadi yes a does that mean that the new york nancy threat is overlooked by special forces today in europe and countries i would say it's overlook but of course the first first reaction to any terrorist that clarke not not only now but
if you remember what happened no to murder five in oklahoma when a. insane person called to meet him up we destroyed to our federal building also everybody was convinced that that was a islamic jihad or something out there and post then people started to to to be terrified by their visit groom homegrown terrorism so of course the society is everywhere and authorities. are now for your stand on muslims which as we see quite frequently which is not entirely correct. in scanner for example there is an all traditional for racism and beyond the so to say white power moon. moment but it has also always been very marginal and maybe because of
the editorial we have seen a steady rise of rightwing anti immigrant parties especially europe over the last couple of years do you think that the norwegian massacre is part of this trend. yes of course the these guy is a madman and without any doubt so it's very very. dangerous to see that what he did is is a reflection of a tramp so actually if you start to study his motivation i'm pretty sure we will find some personal reasons as always and in such cases so it but but of course the problem which he is pointing to exists and just as a victim of situation if this if this is the situation does that mean that we are witnessing a radicalization in the society a radical rise asian and european politics and that and that and that there are
probably cloak olds and muslim fundamentalists are ready to go to violence in the streets no i don't think it's that far already now but what we are witnessing in european politics since couple of years especially two three years it started two or three years ago. election results sure the populist parties mainly focused on the migration they used to gain significant. successes in elections he does not mean they win more than there i don't think those parties will last for long because they used to be in not very serious political forces but the main thing the mainstream politicians they they turn. had the right wing side and for example statements. now used to be bound by by heads of states of has a garment like i'm going miracle then it came and of course i was the about
complete failure of multiculturalism we could not imagine something they had been. two years ago let's turn to some reactions to to to what happened in oslo in russia well here are some some of the reactions from russians from bloggers to journalists who tend to put the blame for the massacre and not always society rather than on the terrorists. some people really decide what they did was construct of human history would be wrong to say. so broke the law supports for the playstation to prevail just human is founders resisting the relation human rights it would take to . get there is a reason to doubt europe and start addressing these issues as a result. how would you comment on this.
so to blame on the village and go on a particular individual garment because i am pretty world's going to visit in sweden norway denmark many times and i must say that just in those countries governments used to pay a lot of attention and used to make enormous effort just to implement this multiculturalism which was not the kids in many other countries like germany or france or or never once saw in this this is irony of history that that terrible event happened just in norway at the same time of course. many people now experts including corruption experts on nick interethnic affairs there are saying that multiculturalism as a conception has has fortunately failed and europe needs to look for some new mortals which unfortunately. unfortunately i haven't yet now this time
from from an article published in one of the russian national youth daily. europe has been snapped trying to cross it's told me it was misled by al qaida it wasn't the international lenders guarantee brady has gone down to become a hero thousands of nothing. really could build against the very concept of the european society the rebel against the suicidal notion of cultural tolerance and complacence the people who killed the martyrs martyrs of a new godless religion. how would you explain sanch outrageous points of view the blogger the journalist in russia a country that fortnight. yeah but this is the latest government is all for its young boys what. are you saying you. have a national youth each printed in the paper the question of quality about
professionalism and ethical borders for limits for drawing with them so that's another discussion unfortunately it's a big problem everywhere including this country but what what this those sentiments are reflecting unfortunately. we cannot understand we i mean all europeans including questions we cannot understand yet the time when homogeneous society has gone forever we will never ever again live in a society where the majority is certain original unfortunately and russian public and russian public opinion of the russian journalist has received absolutely unprepared to take this reality and to try to cope with it we had a quote from a russian blah. a russian journalist now a russian politicians need to hear i was in known for his nationalist views.
misinterpreted tolerance with regard to a multicultural world leads to a dramatic polarization of the political system and to radicalization of society this is how monsters like this one. should this tragedy be an alarm for the west and society what would you say absolutely it should be an alarm i get i know i'm saying do something with multiculturalism or do something with extremism or both actually do something do something because because the problem with most of the country and everybody is talking about that everybody in europe was talking about that since twenty or thirty years but if we try to understand what has been done in order to at least to try to to guarantee this harmonious coexistence of different. entities of the people different the region culture religion and not much because the the problem is not necessarily
with the concept of multiculturalism the problem is that politicians frequently prefer to use an empty rhetoric in order to so to say. not to deal with. to deal with the real problem now this time is over so they they will need to do something the problem is what because yeah so the political scientists feel that the can of spotlight that we are great that they way i like them to. we'll. bring you the latest in science jim six months from adrenaline rush.
mummy. mummy mummy mummy. mummy. flick. welcome back to spotlight our in our end just a reminder that my guest in the studio today is further looking on the federal chief of russia and global affairs magazine we're talking about the consequences of the tragic events in norway. this to a can of well we have discussed what happened where discuss the reaction in russia to what to what happened in there in europe well what's interesting is that this guide brevik there the terrorist used to be a member of the center right progress party which is the second largest party
in the norwegian parliament do you think that that that what he committed which is obviously obviously a crime and he admits that will it. influence the possession of his party in parliament and in the coming elections but i don't think so because he used to be a member of what were a short while and was a while ago on deal thing. until two thousand and four and he was not an active member he was just just a part of their environment i don't think it will have impact but what is interesting this party actually which is rightly you said rightly its second strong party in parliament this party used to and for size the needs to limit migration. in a very civilised way so it's not an extremist or a nickel party but but still and now of course they are in
a little bit under attack because of this connection because of the general atmosphere or. fight against in a foreign sort but what i what i guess and what they suspect that after initial period of statements as for example the views of prime minister did that we will keep our open society will keep our democracy and so and this right he should see just that he has to say. now but then i think in europe at large in norway in particular we will see the gradual change of migration policy well let's hear this reaction of norway's prime minister's name is southward to the attacks. we will have and we had before and after the bomb attack in the killing but we will still be as i say it's very clear you know their use of democracy and it's in this is a where we will compete well to be active in their political work in
a way where they can if you say. well in this norway after the attack do you think they're good famous norwegian social democracy would survive what would stay intact as we knew in before a yes no regional social democracy will survive the question is migration policy because the tradition of the social democratic party is in europe and especially in northern europe used to be extremely internationalist bigly mind that the first signs of change was a show was seen in finland where strangely enough in london is a count of the least affected by the migration away because it is difficult to leave maybe because russians russians you and nationalists yeah certainly by this a different. notion. there quite a point if you will for migrants like seldom part of europe or
but even that there is a clear growth of. protest feeling against something for him and social give him head and social democratic party strangely enough try to take this argument from. from those nationalist parties so we should merge and i. in both in sweden and norway and we can expect that all parties including the left mean parties gradually will review not not abruptly by gradual review of their stance with the migration in the are there any other thing i want to ask you if you know that i don't think anybody has the answer but still this break and then a week claims to be a member of an international underground organization called knights templar international how serious do you think this claims are and how serious do you think
is the threat that similar attacks may happen somewhere else this particular statement by him i've gotten serious he seems to be more important than any idea. as for. xenon you know for the sentiments in the rest of europe i think security services policemen and politicians everywhere are quite concerned because actually there have been a nori again as we've discussed before it's a very bad they're running just just in norway but if you take countries like france or not it allows for spain with a rapidly growing demand of or migrants and there is a different culture in the way it's easier there are sought would be temperamental is different but i'm afraid. there are grounds to do x.
there are reasons to expect some not similar of a. something to grow up as. maybe for example in france election next year already now it's quite quiet or was that two or out of three main contenders are sarkozy pres and so it was in and maybe in a pan. in different ways of course but they are trying to use that to you to address this issue from electoral point of view and i will not be surprised that there topic will be a central part of possession up in france russia mr redlich he said that he sympathizes the party called national in russia i think he said that in one of his interviews and he also claims and this was in the press it's in his manifesto this punishment he says that there are
a like minded persons in russia this is what he says do you do you think that. there really is a threat that something like this may happen in russia that they're there that the anti migrant sentiments are as strong in russia as they are now if you can lead to something so i hope he's wrong about national movement because that would be very strange because it's very close to to the government but as for all these people he shot they were closer to going to yeah exactly but you know. this this island was very well our silly gear. but i'm afraid not in inside national movement but in underground. groups which are quite close to mr greatorex views and also again as we mentioned before there is a similar problem in this country as in the rest of europe where people
people are afraid of change people are afraid of globalization actually because of because free movement and migration this is an element of globalized environment and those who cannot understand what what will follow or what what happens next they also turn to while us hopefully not in that scale but we you know the. many incidents happened in russia as well. what is the problem in particular problem in moscow and big cities in russia is that it's not about migrants or key migrants people from sandra leisure from our transco. southern carcass there's one one problem but we have a big community of russian citizens leaving for example in mosque or something
because we're coming from a russian region of northern caucasus and unfortunately a big part relatively big part of population. doesn't see them as compared to it's that's the problem and what we had december last year this man years an implosion with nationalistic slogans that was not against foreigners basically it was against the our the russians non-rational and we discussed it on the show and then people people come to thinking that this was inspired by some by some people behind the scenes that this wasn't like a genuine but like a normal you know it was that it was a genuine reaction of this guy but in russia what happened in mind was it was inspired like a palace and maybe maybe it was inspired but you can't fix it inspired if it's nor nor potential so unfortunate but is there and there exactly that's the problem the potential is there always you can expect some politicians who tried to use it as
today say that politicians you mentioned the cameron miracle they're their attacks and multiculturalism they're concerned actually triggers new intolerance and one of the population do you think that for the part the ruling politicians should continue criticising rethinking multiculturalism why not. create their own rethinking of different two different options you are. criticising that you start rethinking i think you. call it it's enough with criticism because we're. what is needed now is just through thinking and coming and coming up with new ideas how to. new models how not to look closing the countries now i didn't and said it is was this one was impossible to wait i heard one of the stories of course move almost four go ballistic on him and then looking at demographic trends and russia in the whole europe we will not survive with new waves of migration so that's it
and for us of what example that's there that's the biggest problem for years to come again it's forgotten because in europe we are and we are behind europe in terms of migration but but unfortunately we will need to follow same pattern hopefully. russian leadership will learn very bad lessons from from europe which which produces now this this situation but unfortunately we will need to address the same challenges thank you thank you very much for being with us and just a reminder that my guest in the studio today was a little scientist we are going to look out and that's it for now from all of us if you want have your say on spotlight if you have someone in mind for you to encourage him to the next time to drop me a line at al green our at archerfield dot org and let's keep spotlights into we
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