tv Cross Talk RT April 17, 2020 11:30am-12:30pm EDT
hello and welcome to cross talk we're all things are considered. what kind of economic recovery if there is going to be one can be expected after the pandemic has run its course how has the pandemic changed economies and is there any chance of returning to pretend any conditions. to cross and more i'm joined by my guest william look there are in florida he's an assistant professor of economics of florida atlantic university as well as director of the sound money project at the american institute for economic research and in
beijing we crafted to go he is the vice president of the center for china and globalization carjacking crosstime groups in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it ok let's go to william 1st in florida. just a few hours ago unemployment data was just released now we're up to over 20000000 people applying for unemployment in the united states who would have thought even 6 weeks ago it's extraordinary and being a historian by trade i know the history of the great depression and the depression very well not only in the united states but globally so when i see these numbers come out it's terrifying to hear how it is you know this pandemic will be resolved it's only a matter of question and resources and patients because i understand that because i've been locked down for a month now and it's getting very very tiresome. how is this. pandemic
going to impact the recovery if there is a recovery and i never thought in my my time i would ask about is there going to be a recovery because we're seeing such amazing numbers that are just terrifying to the average person frankly go ahead meaning that we are dealing primarily with a temporary supply shock right at the pandemic and so the most likely outcome is a v. shaped recession that is a recession that has a recovery that's just as quick as the downturn. you know the virus is eventually going to run its course and when it runs its course most of us are going to return to the to the consumption patterns that we had before will consume the same goods and services and most of us are going to return to the jobs that produce those goods and services but there there are 2 factors that could significantly change that it could change the v. shape recession into a huge shape recession where the depth of that recession the low output lasts
much longer and the recovery kicks off much later and the 1st is the duration of the pandemic the longer this virus lasts the more businesses are going to fail and when the business fails the the labor and the equipment of that business have to get reallocated to some other business and that takes time delaying the recovery the 2nd and maybe the thing that we have a lot more control over is our policy response now some of the policies that we've been active here in the u.s. they intend to speed up the recovery so the paycheck protection program for example a provides loans to small businesses that keep their personnel and that will enable them to ramp up production as soon as it's safe to do so but other policies of ratcheted up unemployment benefits by 600 bucks. per week through july
and as you said you know record numbers of unemployed unemployment claims right now that just ask yourself if if you were previously making say 20 dollars an hour and now you can make 15 dollars an hour for 40 hours a week not working at all how likely are you to return to work before july and so you know $20.00 an hour that's $40000.00 a year in terms of an annual salary manny of the people who have filed unemployment claims make less than that and so i think that it's very unlikely that those folks return to work before july. well that's very interesting i think most people do like to work though and i think they want to earn more but that's a different topic i'd like to talk about u.b.i. in a different topic is i think it's a fascinating concept and i can actually as a conservative there is a control conservative position on that that might surprise a lot of people let me go to victor in beijing victor and obviously politics is
playing a role in all of this i mean it's no secret if you watch mainstream media particularly in the united states and how the united states should react and it's quite frankly very anti china in rhetoric here but i mean the there's been this talk over the years of the last 40 years of coupling china within the global economy led by the united states and its allies and be frank about that but now we come to this and and there is talk about the supply chains and particularly when it comes to pharmaceuticals and the health industry in general here i mean even if even if there was a political push to change the current reality which i seem very unlikely because these are business decisions and that government decisions then it's a very complicated issue because you have trade relations that are. expect very extensive very deep in the profit motive is obviously there but you come out
with this rhetoric now that you know has china must pay much and i have my reparations and all this i mean on one side one can understand you know the frustration it may be correct may be incorrect that i don't think we really need to discuss this here but the fact of the matter is is that trade relations are being reexamined here and how do you see that moving forward because of china's time extremely well over the last 40 years because of what is called globalization how does that change with this pandemic go ahead victor. well i would say this current not virus oil related reduced. fine history as we understand it and the world of tomorrow will be very very very profoundly different from the world we have being so accustomed to and i think we need to do a lot of rethinking about almost all aspects of life and our work now as for
the globalization i don't think that has coronavirus will stop the advance of globalization you talk about supply chain is rome is not built in one day and supply chain is not built in one day if anyone want to change supply chain fundamentally it cannot be done in one day or it was stroke and fundamentally if you really want to readjust a supply chain you really need to come up with a recipe to advance competitive business to increase spend if it's follow all the parties involved rather than destroying value saw i'm a firm believer that the world of tomorrow will continue to see a lot of division of luck a lot of supply chain there will be adjustments but i don't think fundamentally the u.s. government or president trump will be able to re all re and supply chain as they want to because businesses will not buy the story. don't you
feel that victor get a crush on him next the point of the program william jump in please do yeah agree with victory here in terms of globalization you know there's a lot of talk about supply chain diversification right now but we have to keep in mind right that. there's only so much that you can do in the global economy china's a big player and the idea that we would somehow pursue a non china strategy or something like that is is is crazy there's certainly in vietnam right now they can produce anything that is currently produced in china but they cannot produce everything that is currently produced in china because there are 14 people in china for every one person in vietnam and so we're still going to have a mint division of labor and china is still going to be a very big part of that and then division of labor. well but still and i'm i'm
trying not to invoke too much politics into this but i mean it is very much the flavor of the moment because i will be perfectly honest with you as i think because of the way the medical system in the united states exists it was very vulnerable to it to a black swan event like this ok and in a lot of people have questions because i'm not it's up i mean having a you recovery would be that would be great news to hear ok but i mean when you think of so much of value that is being destroyed as we speak right now and you think of the consolidation that's going to happen is a result of where a business as well as the ones that may be just teetering just you know maybe make might make it might be these what gobbled up by a much bigger player and so as a result of this. recession that we're going through we're going to have fewer players are going to have more inequality so you know that that's going to make it a very wobbly you and that and that's the optimistic case i would say and plus i'm
going to agree with both of you government policy is one thing but private enterprise is another thing and there is a symbiotic relationship between those 2 that isn't often enough talked about ok because i believe that doing away with 40 years of globalization is just insane it would be it would break the global economy but at the same time i think there's going to be the issue and i want to go to victor here the issue of sovereignty and economic sovereignty and i think one of the things that is a result of this pandemic is health sovereignty as well and these are going to play into this future that picture was talking about go ahead vicar. well i would say as revealed by this corona virus pandemic different countries and different regions have different standards for protective masks and as a result of this had to make we realized that these different standards actually
served to hinder the effectiveness of the fight against the corona virus and also to politicize the production and the supply of facial masks further puts more lives especially doctors and nurses to their risk therefore i think one can actually argue just the opposite that is going forward in the world of tomorrow we need to have greater internationalization better standardize ation so that the world as a whole can be better prepared against a pandemic allowed to corrode the virus and also in many other respects and in telecommunication media etc which have really played a very important role in helping mankind to fight against the current of errors this time i think in the world of tomorrow we will see more and more applications based on 5 g. or 6 g. going forward so that way mankind as
a whole will be better prepared for all the changes brought about by a big pad that make it like this we need to change but i don't think the equalization will be to make a trend i don't think destroying the current supply chain will be serving any was positive interest at all we still need to move forward beyond the horizon for the new world and everyone of us need to pitch in and the world of tomorrow will be better to let it all means you're pulling me into politics that's not exactly where i want to go but anyway i mean that would mean that the united states has to recognize china is an equal peer. and that doesn't seem to be the case ok because the more china becomes appear the more it's demonized in parts of the american media and the american political class because the united states has never had a peter ever and that's something that it's very difficult for at least to get used to particularly this sense of american exceptionalism that i was brought up on i'm
generations of americans i didn't it's very difficult i'm agreeing with you china should be recognized as a pure but that something new all right gentlemen i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the global economy state with our. has changed american lives but pharmaceutical companies have a miraculous solution. based drugs to people who are chronic pain and believe that their prescription is working for them and the remedy be said to. price at the. close of dependency and addiction to opiates to long to use that really isn't scientifically justified and i'll study actually suggested that the long term
effects may not just be the absence of benefit but actually that they may because we want to. join me every 1st day on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics or business i'm show business i'll see you there. welcome back to cross where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle reminder we're discussing the global economy after the pandemic. ok let's go back to go to william in florida here well i mean how do you think the economy's going to change i mean what sectors are going to would. flourish and what
sectors are going to be made by may completely disappear i mean how is the job market changing because you said earlier in the program that you could get a v. recovery but the end we're talking about a lot of jobs in small and mid-size businesses then you know it with every passing day even every. passing hour those companies are really much in danger and personally looking at the mechanism to help them through this through this bailout stimulus is it's almost to the point of farcical i mean a lot of these people just can't wait ok and those jobs will go somewhere else or people going to have to be tooled and i have to point out in and it's something that i said like the same this program years when you look at millennial is this is the 2nd time they've had to go through this ok you know maybe the economy can find its way but people are having a harder and harder time in with this you know this. direct injection of cash and
all $1200.00 most of that's not going to go through consumption moment most of it's going to go paying up debts so i mean is this enough to really stimulate the economy to really get it going because as i pointed out you know with it we're going to have a new consolidation of different sectors where the bigger get bigger in the smaller ones almost disappear i mean how do we point that go ahead. well i think in terms of the long term impact here i think they're going to it's going to be relatively modest so consider it consider the cruise line industry it's hard to imagine an industry that has suffered a bigger reputational below than the cruise line industry and we have lots of recreational turn of events but it's actually not only our cruise bookings not down in the future next year's cruise bookings are up 40 percent over last year's cruise bookings and so that suggests to me that most people just want to get back to something approximating normal now for the production decisions in the
economy firms are going to produce what people want to consume and so maybe some of those businesses are going to fail particularly if the virus lasts a long time or if our policy responses make labor markets and flexible but. we're going to ultimately end up with the goods and services that people want and so i just don't think that the economy is going to let all that different say 5 years from now once all of this is cleared. you know if you're. looking at how china is the dealt with this here i mean is it is it is it it's global trade relations going to be significantly altered because we know we before all this happened we had kind of the the baby steps with beijing and washington coming to trade agreements i mean a lot of talk with them not a whole lot is happening that's something that's an agenda that still needs to be played out and certainly far from over and then we have this black swan event here
and again you can't keep politics out of it i mean a lot a lot of people are again i want to go back to the supply chains here where they want to and they want to avoid have having this happen again and we can be very specific you know like and i biopics or something 90 percent are produced in china that are exported to various countries including the united states i mean if the united states were going to you know have a very strong barrier to that i mean and i'm just giving that one example here i mean how wouldn't china have to readjust and what isn't really learned from this pandemic in terms of international economics go ahead nick. well purely from the chinese perspective it makes more and more realize that the trade war was the wrong war the united states initiated it china had no other choice but to retaliate against the united states and the 2 countries and is up bruising each other if not really getting to each other's general or to the mutual detriment of all the
chinese people and the american people if we go back to history and restart this again i want to do my best to convince president donald trump not to launch a trade war but to really do our best to further increase the trade volume between china and the dotted states so that we the 2 largest economies in the world can better trade with each other with fewer restrictions with little if not no tariffs so that more and more people in the united states businesses farmers you name it can sell more to china this will truly stimulate the economic girls of the united states now we are stuck with this trade war and this coronavirus makes a very bad situation much worse because now we're talking about lives and deaths of the people in the united states as well as here in china therefore i think when the dust does settle down i hope the establishment seeing china and the united states
the intellectuals that issue makers the think tanks we're reading a rethink and really go through all this painful process and pragmatism and realism will be much much better than what have a single isn't or your desire to go to the general or against the other side i think going forward we will more acutely realize that this is truly an interconnected world no matter whatever you want to do no madam whatever you call 'd walls you want to erect you can a high pay high in the walls the world is interconnected can. yet there isn't there i mean no most i had. no one wins a trade war no one wins a trade war and in the case of president trumps trade or most of the costs of those tariffs have been borne by american consumers so not only did that make us poorer than we otherwise that would have been in the short run there but it also undermined our ability to combat this pandemic that followed even if ever so
slightly. you have it william don't you know we have to go back to really got donald trump elected in the 1st place in 2016 it was about trade ok most people on the left in the liberal media dismissed it is being fanciful but it's not true you go to the midwest where i'm from it's been hollowed out ok it's been hollowed out of industrial jobs and and factories have been shut down and so i mean this again i think this is a moment you could look at it in a different direction not that i'm necessarily disagreeing with you 2 gentlemen here but i can see political forces to say this is an opportunity finally that we have to start a new industrial policy in the united states and not because jobs don't come back you create jobs and you give incentives to create jobs and you have an industrial base in the united states where i think would be perfectly reasonable to have a health care sector that created its own antibiotics for example and you see what
i'm trying to say here i mean i i'm not against international trade i mean a competitive advantage i mean everyone wins that's the theory and that's the practice but if you don't have an industrial base you don't have much to compete with you see my point. peter i am from the midwest as well i grew up in rural southern ohio and i think no one would argue that the gains from globalization have been distributed evenly but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the gains have been huge and although they haven't been distributed evenly they have been distributed far and wide but but don't take my word for it you know we're all working from home these days and so when you're when you're binge watching shows on netflix it takes some time to watch a couple episodes of the wonder years or cheers i see how life was depicted for a typical 960 s. 1970 s. family or a 1980 s. blue collar worker and then look around things are so much better today and that's
just undeniable and it's not just for the local at least it's not because of i don't remember the model are down. there not that many blue collar jobs they keep disappearing i mean i would i would have the exact opposite really reflection about what it was like then and what it's like now because the blue collar workers were in cheers and had had a stable job could make a living pay the mortgage maybe even put a kid through school and when that's not happening right now when you have it back then you didn't no one would have remembered understood what the economy is where people were doing 3 jobs a day every single day i mean it's a very different reality yeah it's nice you know it's you know it's going back being looking at a more happy time but even with this entire event with this happening with the economy is that even the get the economy might not be able to respond very well because you know automation ok why do we need to have these people as careers why
do we need to have drivers and who are and things like that i think it's a very different reality here let me go to victor here victor i mean how does it change china i mean there's always these you know if you look at mainstream media there's a certain filters ok i could look at. m s n b c and c.n.n. and they have a certain filter in looking at china and then you go over to fox news and has a very different filter here and not having visited china i tend to not trust any major news source in the united states when it comes to china how is china changed because of this pandemic. well i think china will change more profoundly. mainly because i think the whole nation cannot afford to be complacent and we need to be prepared against a 2nd a wave of the infections either domestically generated which is less likely or flooring imported and i think going forward until mankind has developed an effective vaccine probably we need to put everything into 2 modes the normal mode
which we are more fair with and then the extra ordinary the emergency mode and we need to be able to shift from the 2 modes at any moment's notice because we cannot put lives on the people at risk that's exposed in the current virus pandemic now going forward also allow me to make one point i think politicians in the united states are barking in the wrong tree when they really want to get to the juggler why because the real competitiveness of the chinese economy was not just the cheaper labor cost for example it's that really very much upgraded infrastructure and all the brand new 4 g. of 5 g. and that innovative spirit to move forward so there are lots of things which are happening china today which are on her gulf in the united states and i see this lays the background why it is much better and more effective to do business here in
china now if some of the politicians really want to relocate all the shoe manufacturing capacities toy making capacities back to the united states be my guest but i don't think the american people will be better served with that you really need to come up with great eagerness to innovate to move forward to really strike a deal grounds and i think from the chinese press back to the american people and the american as a country are well positioned to make so many. novas innovations and strike new fields of development and i think those are the areas that the americans could focus on more productively and also build up the infrastructure build up in my career you know i know it enabled the american people to produce more effectively. and that's exactly where i want to go william infrastructure i mean how can it possibly be a political issue when
a country desperately needs i i've tried before all this i traveled to so many places around the world that we would call emerging markets or in the early in my lifetime we call a 3rd world country and the infrastructure that you see is extraordinary in theirs because these countries that invest in their own people they invest in their own economy here that would solve a lot of problems i think in dealing with this india and inward and actually be a part of the process of an international reaction to a future pandemic if you have good reason resources and infrastructure to fall back upon them so i hope that's one thing that will take from this whole experience particularly in the united states go ahead. well in those countries where you have big state owned enterprises you get big state sponsored infrastructure projects but also a lot of other projects that are pretty wasteful and so you have to choose not just the projects you want but you have to choose the project on bills and here in the u.s. you know ok we don't get those begin to structure projects and maybe some of those
projects would be desirable but we also get all the big wasteful projects that you see in places like china as well and so i think it's a mixed bag with these infrastructure projects yeah we want more of them but it's not easy to know in advance which one you want it jobs at a time we need jobs i think you would agree. well we don't want jobs for jobs sake we want jobs because people are producing valuable goods and services are valuable input structure or durable goods that will last and to the future you know when people digging holes and building them up again much better just to let them stay home and enjoy some leisure time then the waste their time producing things that nobody want to see could it be built some new airports and bridges and fix the roads because everyone would benefit and that is well and private enterprise it's a question of whether janet it right we also have to think about the cost the what those resources could otherwise be used for. sure there will be benefits but the relevant question is whether those benefits are going to be greater than the call
ok gentlemen we are in the know well hope to see the benefits for working people right that's all the time we have here i want to thank my guests in florida and in china and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here as you see you next time remember. next as a financial survival stacey let's learn. let's say i'm not sure i get here i'm greece of the fight 9. thank you for. telling the story that's true. that's slavery.
this is our c u.k. we're live from central london welcome to our viewers from around the world and we're just waiting for the government's daily coronavirus press briefing meanwhile the headlines this hour. a former director of the world health organization calls the u.k.'s coronavirus response to slow as european ministers expressed concern over britain's infection rates. reports say fewer people with serious problems and we can just cross now to the government's press conference. good afternoon i'm joined today by the government's chief scientific advisor supporter valance and dr yvonne doyle who is the medical director of public health
england before i talk about some decisions taken today answer patrick provides an update on the latest data i'd like to sort out the steps we are taking to defeat current virus are step by step action plan is aiming to slow the spread of the virus so fewer people need hospital treatment at any one time protecting the n.h.s. ability to cope at each point we have been following scientific and medical advice and we have been deliberate in our actions taking the right steps at the right time we are also taking unprecedented action to increase energy as capacity but dramatically expanding the number of beds key staff and lifesaving equipment on the frontline to give people the care they need when they need it most this is why we are instructing people to stay at home so we can protect our n.h.s.
and save lives. i can report that through the government's ongoing monitoring and testing program as of today a total of 438991 people in the u.k. have now been tested for corona virus that includes 21328 tests carried out yesterday of those 108692 people have tested positive that is an increase of 5599 cases since yesterday. 18978 people are currently in hospital the current virus in the u.k. and sadly of those hospitalized with the virus 14576 have now died that is an increase of 847 fatalities since yesterday. we must never forget that behind every statistic is a family member or
a friend and all our thoughts and prayers are with the families and loved ones of those who have lost their lives. these figures are a powerful reminder to us all of the importance of following the government's guidance and as a foreign secretary outlined yesterday the current social distancing measures will remain in place for at least the next 3 weeks. and there are 5 tests that must be satisfied before we will consider it safe to adjust any of the current measures 1st we must protect the energy's ability to cope we must be confident that we are able to provide sufficient critical care specialist treatment right across the u.k. 2nd we need to see a sustained and consistent fall in the daily death rate from corona virus so we can be confident that we have moved beyond the peak 3rd we need to have reliable data
from sage showing that the rate of infection is decreasing to manageable levels across the board 4th we need to be confident that the range of operational challenges including testing capacity and p p p p p e are in hand with supply able to meet future demand 5th and most importantly we need to be confident that any adjustments to the current measures will not risk a 2nd peak of infections that overwhelm the n.h.s. . the worst thing we could do now is ease up too soon and allow a 2nd peak of the virus to hit the n.h.s. and hit the british people so i want to thank each and every person across the u.k. who is following and supporting the government's advice to stay at home in order that we protect our own a chest and ultimately save lives i know we are asking you to make
sacrifices and it is challenging but we need to keep getting working together we will defeat this invisible enemy but now is not the time to let up the risks still persists not only for yourselves but for the people around you so we must stay vigilant but of course the point we hope to get to one of the ways that we can defeat this virus is to find a vaccine just says edward jenner developed the smallpox vaccine in the 18th century we need to apply the best of british scientific endeavor to the search for the code of virus vaccine to that end i can announce today that the government has set up a vaccines taskforce to coordinate the efforts of government academia and industry towards a single goal to accelerate the development of
a coronavirus vaccine this task force is up and running and aims to ensure that a vaccine is made available to the public as quickly as possible. the task force reporting to me and the health secretary is led by surpassed trick and profs that jonathon funtown. it comprises representatives from government industry academia and regulators members include government life sciences champion sichuan bell as well as astra zeneca and the welcome trust the task force will support progress across all stages of vaccine development and at pace it will back britain's most promising research position in the u.k. as a leader in clinical vaccine testing and manufacturing the task force will coordinate with regulators to facilitate trials which are both rapid and well supervised and
it will work with industry in the u.k. and internationally so we're in a position to manufacture vaccines at scale. this will build on the prime minister's announcement last month of a further 210000000 pounds for seppi the international fund to find the vaccine. i can confirm that the government has greenlighted a further 21 research projects to help fight coronavirus into talese projects receive 14000000 pounds from the 25000000000 pound government research investment and include backing the development of a vaccine at imperial college london this fall as support for 6 projects announced last month including vaccine development led by professor sara gilbert at the university of oxford gena institute this is already carrying out preclinical trials and with government support will shortly move to a clinical trial phase. and we're looking forward so when we do make
a breakthrough we are ready to manufacture by the millions one tool in this fight will be the u.k.'s 1st vaccines manufacturing innovation center based in harbel a project that will help build a capacity to develop and mass produce vaccines well we've just been hearing there from business secretary alex sharma giving the u.k. government's daily coronavirus press conference r.t.u. case easterly joins me now for more on this so what do the business sector to have to say that the business sector. saying that the government's strategy was to slow the spread of coronavirus he did go of the lockdown measures being extended by another 3 weeks and outlining the conditions for the lifting of that lock down which include making sure that the n.h.s. has the capacity to cope in the future that it has enough p.p.
and the ability to test as well as making sure that any lift in those restrictions doesn't lead to a 2nd wave he also was talking about the efforts the government is making to try to find what he said was a joint approach to a vaccine he said that the government is working with academia private industry. with of course the government's own input as well as regulators and that the government was also supporting $21.00 other projects to try to find a vaccine for 19 and he said that to that end the government was putting tens of millions of pounds towards supporting bows types of projects really highlighting the efforts that all aspects of society and industry will have to take in order to try to find a vaccine if indeed a vaccine will be the solution to curing and treating covert 90 ended well and i shall have to put before you made that speech previous said then the government to
come under some criticism hadn't it yet absolutely earlier today we've been seeing the health select committee taking to video conferencing in the order to hold their hearing and we've seen the health secretary matt hancock addressing that committee but also anthony costello he's a former senior official at the world health organization and he was talking about the u.k.'s approach to tackling poverty 19 and said that in some aspects the government has simply been too slow to react to the crisis you need to find cases you need to test them if you can you trace to contacts you isolate them you do social distancing but most important of all you do it will speak and make their harsh reality and one of the reasons i have not been constructive critical and i believe we should not have any late stage we should have it noted labeled where with the cisco systems marriage ledger staff have probably the highest death rate
you're and we have to face the reality of the word number but we can make sure that in the 2nd wave we're not. now we've seen criticism coming in for the u.k.'s approach to tackling coronavirus from across the channel or mainland europe where an austrian minister the minister of health to using graphs and charts to try to highlight and compare the cases like switzerland germany to the u.k. . switzerland has managed to get down to 2.2 percent italy also managed to arrive at 2.5 percent which is the main element of hope there not so much when it comes to the number of deaths but the rate at which new infections occur and this is what is frightening many in europe at the moment that the numbers in great britain with 7.7 percent france 3.7 percent and germany which always used
to have a similar development too was in many criteria a little bit above our numbers with 3 percent in the pro pulte now we also heard from the health secretary hancock and he was talking about the u.k.'s response and obviously responding to criticism regarding the rollout of testing and the rollout of a p.p. personal protective equipment to front line stuff now the government have set themselves a number of targets they haven't reached those targets when it comes to testing but mr hancock says the government will increase testing not just for n.h.s. staff but across the board when it comes to frontline public sector workers now we've got the curve under control i want to be able to get back to the position that we can test everybody with symptoms and i'm being able to do that relatively soon because we're increasing as i can today expand the eligibility for testing to police fire service prisons staff local authority critical local authority.
stuff the judiciary and d.w.p. staff we need and we're able to do that because of the scale of testing. about how saying the government will increase testing but this is something we've been hearing all throughout this crisis remains to be seen whether they can really meet those commitments that we can. thank you very much indeed thank you. well doctors are expressing concern as the u.k.'s hospitals are seeing a reduction in patients with serious medical conditions as people delay seeking help due to phase about coronavirus in london university college hospital stressed saw a 30 percent reduction in people being referred or treated for stroke while a survey from across 55 countries revealed only one in 5 hospitals reported stroke patients currently receiving the usual care and in one monday italy's worst affected region treating serious heart attacks has fallen by 70 percent while emergency department doctor who'd like to remain anonymous told r.t.
there's an increasing fear about catching the virus in hospital. but for corona virus we're seeing probably about 450 to 500 cases a day and presenting to any and that was quite similar across the country and now we're seeing about 180 a day come to iranian and and a number of these cases and. we're seeing far fewer numbers of things like heart attacks and strokes and things like. things like appendicitis and there's a growing concern amongst the medical profession that and these patients not coming to hospital initially they could be a number of reasons and there is and going to be fewer patients coming in with things like trauma because people are staying home and so we're expecting less injuries and people generally are getting into a lot less stress and their bodies so potentially less people are having heart attacks but i know from patients i have spoken to there's
a huge amount of fear amongst the community about coming into hospital because i worried about catching coronavirus and there's also a large group of people who are worried about putting pressure on the n.h.s. this moment in time and so i think that there's a lot of reasons why people are not coming and i think that actually there's probably a lot of it was doing at home with problems when they should be and because if there are enough. experts have warned that britain faces a mental health crisis as a result of the coronavirus pandemic in a recent report a leading academics claim the mental health fallout of the crisis could last well beyond the lifting of the lot dan they say social distancing along with unemployment and potential poverty could cast a long shadow on the population's mental health experts also believe gradually reopening areas of the economy in a staggered long term could lead to further anger and resentment for those who aren't allowed out. well for more on the state of the nation's mental health and
i'm joined by one of the authors of that study professor at bull but as a whole will thank you very much indeed for joining us and mental health crisis on the horizon but is it affordable yes it's not necessarily entirely avoidable but i'm sure the if we see it coming and we start thinking about it earlier we start thinking about how we can tackle the most effectively we've got a very good chance of mitigating in it and it does it certain introduction you know if this is a huge health crisis which is going to hans impacts not just on physical health as we've heard so much of recent weeks but also i think mental health in the weeks and months to come indeed i mean do you think the anxiety depression is being caused by the law down financial worries or fear of the virus or a combination of everything. but you know there's short answer that question really is that we don't know enough yet and that's why in the paper that. we published yesterday we were calling for more research in the area but we did do
a little bit of a work as part of our thinking about the area. and that was quite revealing you know if you talk to the people in the general population are levels of anxiety others of depression and stress related feelings. if you don't to people with a particular interest in the well as perhaps because a member of their family has mental illness you see those anxieties but also concerns about coded making things worse making preexisting mental health disorders worse or making it more difficult for people with mental health issues to find access to the right services and actually in relation to the point that your previous. is was making about the drop off in attendance. any other armin's with physical problems like ours is for example where current things are
very similar in many mental health services cross-country there's less. fewer people coming forward in the treatment than we normally expect and in terms of a mental health crisis do you think it's unique to britain or is it something that's global as a uniquely individual. well i think individuals are going to vary of course they do we know that but you know this is a pandemic and that means that it affects all of us as as a fact in your country in the world and even within this country you know i think the the mental health impacts of social restriction on parliament. are going to go far beyond the impacts on those. risibly few people hopefully that have been infected with the virus and have physical health outcomes so the mental health impact is potentially broader and wider than the physical health and because. the mental health side of this is. that's more the type to build the social restriction
of the response to. the infection rather than being entirely driven by action itself it really is unlikely that we'd see resent from resentment from people if we had a staggered lock down if it were implemented i mean the something that came up in the report is that you think people think about the greater good or are they starting to be more concerned about individual needs. well you know i think there's been some very encouraging signs of ultras. around the country since. the law and was announced i mean you know to take a stand on a number of people a volunteer does of this is the n.h.s. is truly remarkable and seen something very similar in cambridge a lot of people in the university have stepped up and offered as that's as a goal in a just and i think that is really have a welcoming of that and a of that and then a lot of the things that we talked about in the revolt was maybe that is thinking more about some of the benefits of those kind of ultras the behaviors not just to
the wider society that they may be in some ways protective of people's mental health i think it helps people to help others and and that could be one strategy by which people protect their mental health under the circumstances and and the thinking of the y. depeche and other people as a good way to end it as a professor said bill well thank you very much indeed thank you you know rahm i want to ask after a short break. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business i'm showbusiness i'll see you then.
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out of around 2000 coronavirus patients roughly 65 percent a white 14 percent black and 14 percent from asian backgrounds while the last census in 2011 shows that just over 7 percent of the u.k.'s population asian and just over 3 percent black well the n.h.s. and public health england will conduct an investigation into why these groups could be more at risk that's as the chairman of the british medical association should jested it wasn't a coincidence the 1st 10 doctors to die from the disease were from these backgrounds some researchers believe ethnic minorities often fall into the poorest sectors of society so could be more vulnerable the shadow equality secretary welcomes the move and emphasizes the importance of reducing the disparity. well for more insight on this doctor generated by our joins me now dr buy out of thank you very much for joining me are ethnic minority health workers dying in greater numbers than their white coworkers or are behind numbers due to the high numbers of ethnic minority staff. i think there's a number of factors the socio economic factors which are probably relevant for the
majority of black and asian people you would think would be less relevant doctors and surgeons and nurses so you know higher paid professionals so there needs to be something else at play and increasingly we're wondering now whether it's the high level of pigment in the skin is blocking the formation of visit mehndi which is of vital components of our immunity and especially infections and i think this increasing concern has been picked up across all sorts of sectors now in academia and medical circles. probably has a lot of heart play what is the government doing enough to protect ethnic groups then to think. i think possibly been a little bit slow on the uptake but there has to be found we didn't really expect this up until very recently we had no reason to believe that it was going to affect any particular portion of society any more than others and professor duncan young
from oxford university made the point that in normal go the new money is borrowing money used the population distribution is exactly the same as you would expect so it's 13 percent so it's unclear why it's so disparately high for members of the population community almost 3 times as much as we get out. there is now increasing . it's increasing statements being made that if it's meant to be should be used. there was has been a problem at article just within the last few weeks which has suggested that anybody at risk which is more or less everybody but especially people from the a.m.e. communities should be taking a daily vicinity supplement and also we're receiving reports as well i mean again something to investigate is also about jobs as well but in the meantime what can minority groups do to protect themselves. so the same advice that everybody should heed is still exactly what we should be doing so they should stay. piece of the should still be said distancing and hand washing of course but we should take as
much sunshine as we can and if we can do it safely in an outdoor space that's not really going to compromise our. keeping social distancing rules and we should perhaps take a supplement we should eat foods which i visit mindi of which there are many already fish cod liver oil sure a pregnant lady because that can be dangerous in those circumstances. eggs and milk are also high and take a supplement to should be 10 micrograms for most people but i'm recommending at least 25 micrograms for people in the black and asian communities they do think this trend will continue well unless we do something to stop it unless we can positive positively identify what's going on in these communities it will continue and i have concerns because some of the 1st to answer the call to arms to research the n.h.s. were black and asian and reside colleagues and if there are increased risk because
of their ethnicity as well as their age we need to be very careful where we place these people to make sure that they don't who run the risk of becoming seriously unwell in trying to help in this effort and for any doctor why is there fear among ethnic minority doctors nurses working on the front line. i can only talk of a bell colleagues that i work with directly and work in a large organization of r.g.p. schooled hugh and about 60 or 70 percent of those are from black nation backgrounds of course i think everyone's scared and. doctors are trying to help and the only way to help is to achieve put ourselves in the front line and i think that is not just concern from those colleagues but also from white colleagues of those such as myself that they may be essentially putting themselves in harm's way and so yes of course we want to take every step possible to make sure that nobody comes to harm and no call eat ends up dying because of this they've got to gera buy out
a thank you very much indeed it's kosher. for some people in london have ignored government guidelines to avoid mass gatherings congregating a westminster bridge on thursday night to applaud key workers. hundreds of people gathered on the bridge to show their gratitude for all the key workers efforts but many were surprised the police allowed people to flout government rules meanwhile the pet owners and police commissioner also made of the parents what it did to the social distancing regulations. more news in half an hour . it's just every small cycle. with.
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