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tv   Cross Talk  RT  June 9, 2020 12:00am-12:31am EDT

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hello and welcome to crossfire after all things are considered a little we're told the civil unrest in the united states and beyond is about systemic racism we're told western institutions and values are inherently flawed and corrupt though neither really explain the real evidence of social breakdown what is really in play here is an ideology and ideology that demands absolute submission and total.
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to discuss this and more i'm joined by my guest maybe bob but you must go he's a political analyst and editor it interests me internet media project and in nicosia we cross the outer sapporo is the director and writer for the duran right gentlemen crossed up rules in effect that means in germany i mean want i was ok alex let me go to you in nicosia here i mean we've been talking about this now for a few weeks and i've actually changed my mind a number of times in trying to analyze and understand what's going on here obviously the neo liberal order is under threat it's being challenged that's very clear but from a number of different trajectories and not always really overlapping. we have an underclass particularly in the united states is a revolt and of course we have the pentagon making the law to add to. and then you
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have the professional raw material class that in my opinion is using systemic racism and other wolk isms as a cover because they know that the economic and political system is interest extremely unjust and then we have all the other players matter. to what degree they're really important is still one unclear to me but they're certainly being propped up by different elements of the elites and importantly the media so i mean it is kind of a purpose but i don't see a list of demands the only thing that is absolutely clear to me is that the establishment is is worried while for the 2nd time in 10 years we see a massive transfer of wealth to the wealthiest people in the world when up to 2025 percent even more families are food insecure here in the united states
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so i listed a kind of the macro the big picture here is your take what. i mean when when i take a look at what's happening right now in the united states i kind of see this as the establishment class the neo liberal elites kind of admitting definitely admitting that they can't be trump at the ballot box especially with with joe biden and i think now that you know even a hillary clinton. you know substitute for joe biden i think is now a reality that she can't wait either so i think they're coming to the realization that come november at this moment in time they simply cannot be trump. in a vote at the electoral college they can't win so you're seeing just the extension of russia gate ukraine gate and now you're seeing what's happening with the riots and that's fine you have people going out in the streets and protesting what happened to floyd there is that i don't think anyone has a problem with the peaceful protests but the fact that you're seeing
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a top down mobilization of rioters getting out to the streets looting using very much very many of the same tactics that we saw in other international color revolutions one that comes to mind right now to me is ukraine and what happened in ukraine you have all the same players there instead of the right sector you have the ante for you have a lot of the n.g.o.s that you had in ukraine also mobilize in the united states and you have small pockets of protesters who are easily controlled looting and destroying things going after cops you had a lot of the same elements at the might don that you're seeing in various cities in the united states specifically in minneapolis in new york and other in atlanta and other cities around the u.s. so what you're really seeing is a regime change i think there's no doubt about it while there are you could have 2 truths a day at the same time he could have protesters ok and you could have you just
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heard someone who just nailed it there you can have 2 choices you can have multiple shows that are right through at the same time that's what i think this is so maybe you look at it you know. it's been a minute i think alex is right i mean it at least on a treasury level i mean this is about from its own is about from a so that you know unfortunately that affects our politics so much because there is something the systemic problems here but it seems to me again right as i said in my opening comments here i think that this this ideology that the really only needs are using it it's a false ideology because they're there they know how to divide. the the people that have the most grievances and that's the working class not only people of color obviously a lot of people in the middle in the in the working class are people go in there are very very poor so this is kind of conflating it all together because you know. the professional military or class they want the status quo the kind of the status
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quo bomber where everyone was feeling good and you know having wine in the shower and of course trump does a player on this but i'd like to make very very clear here what is really significantly done except for portable his ball garrity ok which i don't care about the tweets i care about. him well i basically agree with alex i think a very important it's rational use by the regime change what is regime change basically it's a serial war you know new sometimes a real civil war like in syria or in the green well i mean just this point it's cultural with me were great i mean that's the origins of this here people are now. basically it reminds me of the darkest wages in russian history because. their establishment media when they used the same propaganda math that's that they used
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against and against saddam hussein and in games courts when they started then you are again strong i mean i despise trump he is a despicable character. institution you know this institution of the presidency they went 8 games to the institution of the presidency with the same propaganda tools that they used in syria in ukraine in leave there so if you're not russian history how did the russian revolution happen lenin said well we're going to transform the imperialist war into a civil war so our bombs people basically use the same technology has the. instrumentalists against ukraine or against him if they use them again against trump inside the united states and the huge danger is that drunk we stamp that who turned this civil war in don't imperialist money that's why he's created all this course. you know he's trying to again deflect attention and jones that anger
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against china. why mine just to make it very clear that the best i can pull out of this was written by guardian. let me just who is narrative because he's absolutely right that the dangerous thing here is not a person you know it's not a bomb or by them who are the devils it's the narrative that is so let me just quote here. they say the media they just spent the majority of the last 4 years greek and promote your non official narrative which costs more americans why supreme assists who are literally elected president and who wanted to become king to the races. according to this narrative which has been relentlessly disseminated by the corporate media the russians for donald trump and all of this with those d.n.c. emails they never actually cracked and some division so we ats that supports black
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americans in refusing to come out and vote for clinton so who do perfectly all of this personally. or to destroy your democracy and now these people are out on the court and now these people are supporting looting and the so-called protest which the media to transform themselves into wooden and violence you know they support it simply you know do on the one i'm trying so desperately to clean up the carpets don't they haven't got a memory has to do with both of you at the same time here in ohio it's a game yeah i think it is focused on track but the danger is here to take out trump as it were if you. you're going to create institutional damage because i don't think they want a grand transformation just the opposite they want to not joe biden nothing will significantly change but this course by trying to take trump out does incur massive institutional damage i mean they want poll at the same time you can't have
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oh ok so i mean at i think they do want to keep the institutions that they had under bush under clinton bush obama and yet became rich yeah they want that for example they want that war machine intact they want the globalism intact they want the manufacturing that's that has left the united states they want that to continue so they do want the institutions the wall street intact and i'm not saying that trump doesn't support those very same institutions i'm not saying that but in their mind in their mind trump is aiming to break those institutions down or at least replace the people at those institutions with other people for them that's a direct threat so i do think that you know they do want to keep this titian's attacked but they are willing to sacrifice the united states constitution if they have to you know i mean do you agree with that a gimmick and also i will i'm i would say they're willing to sacrifice
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a good part of the country in the process here see there's no nobility in what they're thinking about you know this is all about systemic racism it's about you know you know that's all nonsense i don't think that's their propaganda that c.n.n. and this mc always are pushing but it has nothing to do with any of those things do you want to jump in now well i'm not sure you can read it all these institutions you know want to cian which destroyed media which is destroying ukraine and which destroying syria's not only. is completely. they august royals. if you should because the presidency is an institution and basically a very democratic one they are destroying the well you see if you want there the strength of the evidence of american society. people. you know that has been on her window and yet when you hear it again i kind of want
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to stay with the here and now here i mean they're willing to say this is not looting it's mostly peaceful and all that because it has a direct political impact ok again it seems to me that the worse the better without destroying the entire thing because that's how they've been able to be so successful here when i think just so extraordinary is the lengths that they were willing to destroy our political discourse our political system our institutions everything that's just. visiting other throw the dice keep going so well that well i mean just there are these there are you know orange arrests you know or yeah west brom's you remember how they went against them why was the young the west or east part of the rule some of them are. not know they're supporting this so-called uprising and again and you know. all guardian these so-called
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rebellion you know we started the popular model to. ruthlessly by the groups this rebellion class marched through in the working poor and international uprising she had won by the corporate media and liberal establishment i mean what really is disgusting here is this double standard the yellowest that but you know the people who are saying trump is a fascist their group you know they don't rattle matter gentlemen here we have to go to a hard break america about our break and continue our discussion and a new be our new ideology religion in american power.
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thank you. max keiser financial survival guide stacey let's learn about fill out let's say i'm not sure i get any of this grease on face of the fight 9 wall street father thank you for helping a. new story that's right sell out if that's slavery. you cannot be voted with yet you want.
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the meth across the uk were all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're talking about a new ideology and religion in the us. ok alex let me go back to you i mean if it if we were told by the mainstream media we're told by the left wing groups and i'd be along in this is obviously a great opportunity for them in so many different ways cliques ok the bottom line to me not you and me at c.n.n. is actually doing well for the 1st time in 19 years ok they know how to play a crisis but you know if they're if they're so determined to change the face of american politics the tone in the tenor and why deep. joe biden i mean i mean with his. bills and his record was supporting the police and the and military
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interventions around the world i mean it's really quite hollow isn't it because they made sure there'd be no change in the democratic party because not when they got rid of bernie ok i mean i get it seems so hollow to me and so empty and in going through this regime change process which i think i think is appropriate. if we're getting about the real pain that so many people in the country have it's it's you know it's like bulldog squabbling under a carpet you know i mean it's these elites that are doing so well i mean by that is the ultimate empty vessel i mean all he's going to do is just continue with the obama the 8 years under obama the bush era and the clinton era so for them biden is the perfect president and it goes back to the destroying of this the 2 shoes i agree with that the presidency is absolutely the ultimate democratic institutions the ultimate expression of democracy if you have a byte in winning then yes it is democracy if we have trump you have to tear it
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down that's the way they see things it's always a binary with them and you also see it on the streets it's a binary these riots are a binary you're either with us and you're ideologically pure or if you're not you're racist you're white supremacist in ukraine peter in ukraine they supported real not fake not imaginary real neo nazi neo nazi white supremacist real the real deal not this fake stuff that they're pushing in the us media these guys were the real deal they were violence they were damn violence and who supported them who supported them oh pericope obama and shoebite and joe biden was running the country pretty much by supporting them so i mean there's no you know there's no virtue in any of this family did they want to do it or. ok well i was going to say but this isn't about ideology it's always about power because the way
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that they were the way they are of framing this ideology it's just a vehicle for power it has nothing to do with balance. well i knew you wanted to show me a lot and it's back palosi want power back. yes i think x. is exactly right when he used the war white supremacist i'm our green and nazis and i just wanted to explain it to all of europe's war the ukrainian nationalists it's bottled they're ready to just now if you want discourse is that russians are not slavs russian side descendants or darts you know you're going to vote now not europe you know we're the ukrainians where you are slavs were blown and so these kind of who are it may seem very strange to americans you know russians are white and opinions are white but racism is not and you know our racism is about this you know hierarchy that you built you know europeans europeans there are all there
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are russians in ukraine because you couldn't say that we are europeans all of which means to hold to europe and this is a very dangerous edge if you are very dangerous or a little bit of a team a became a claim that using that rhetoric all it's doing is that it is the vibe in the polity in ukraine that's what they want to do ok it's a means to power because they can't win power on their economic success they can they can do it on anything up i mean this is a well tried endeavor here to always use the race card to do it by people but it doesn't if it doesn't solve real racism and then we're going to announce here i mean all of this alluding. taking and me which i find really a horror here how does any of that change systemic racism it just purchasing out
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what was in private part the person that said andrew breitbart did he say that culture is downstream from from politics i'm sorry politics is downstream from culture right i mean that's the whole point over the past 1020 years they've been dismantling. the culture of the west and take the united states safe this been dismantling the family they've been dismantling marriage they've been taking down physically taking down statues historical statues gender right they've disappeared they've been dismantling gender so all of this shouldn't be seen in just the vacuum of the last 2 weeks this has been a progression this ideology and now we've reached the end reeve reached the end of this or maybe the beginning of this new religion actually which is peter take any kneel before the mob kneel before your new god for the managers i understand the exercise and the intent but it doesn't solve anything it's not meant to solve it's
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meant it's meant to tear down that's that's how i look at it's not meant to solve a problem it's meant to to rebuild this new utopia this new utopia is not going to be built in in god we trust that's out the window. that's out the window we the people in god we trust if you do these are new thinking this is i think you are not a silicon valley out of these you know billionaires that have this new idea this jury and humanist idea you know the irony of all that is to say that you want to quote unquote you really are one demagogue and replace it with a group of demagogues ok i mean if we're not going to have the rule of law we're not going to have a constitutional and i would be your president. then what do you have dinner with you have here is you have a not a utopia. a disco ok this isn't a nightmare scenario rich and you know what i guess i'm the one that goes but i don't see how middle class people working people benefit notice you had bhima well
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i just wanted all of you are stunned to stand that we are not against a real left isn't here there is not athan rule on about real leftism there is nothing wrong about fighting racism the problem is that fighting racism is be an instrumental ice now by the people who just won't do a good job to my strong and present everyone who disagrees with the so-called liberal s. a bunch of white supremacist that is unfair that's what we are fighting against and unfortunately you know something wrong happened to the left in the last at least 20 years don't want a french philosopher has split way too well i. just said that right now the real left is about defending the international order fighting there was a regime change seen around the world and very rarely a so-called establishment left is doing that well these are the greens i can look at though your happened to the left his name is tony blair and bill clinton ok
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that's what happened the last hour just me alex one of the things that you know i'm so worried about concerned about is that i want to see transformation and real transformation of populist transformation here but our politics now. we're so polluted. and so impure because what these people are doing is creating like as you said a binary i mean either you take the me in the knee or you are excommunicated from any kind of political involvement whatsoever that is antithetical to the tradition that has worked for a lot of people and you know what hundreds of millions of people around the world would love to have not just exactly that. i mean i think there's a large part of the population that definitely would want that but i also think there's a large part of the population that does not want that they want power and i think they could feel that they're closer to power and you know going through what
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happened in the riots there was a lot of money made the corporations are going to make a lot of money off of the riots atmos out is going to buy up and the big corporations are going to buy up a lot of the property that these small businesses now have lost whether it was because of the cv pandemic or whether it was because of these riots so a lot of small business have gone out of business yet a lot of n.g.o.s that are going to make a lot of money and they're going to continue to stir up trouble is being bailed out they're being bailed out they're being bailed out hollywood celebrities are donating money corporations are donating money black lives matter is now a valuable very well feat angio so it's going to continue. to do what it does so a lot of people gained a lot of power from this 2 week alex you forgot something kind to him or none of this goes through a democratic process doesn't this is not meant to this is just this is administrative fee i mean the reason why i bring that up is that even though nancy
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is going to get her to go below average look at all the goodies they doesn't have 50 percent plus one in a in a voting situation so you you put it into the back door and under the carpet here this is a see this is what this whole idea was. does it it's short circuits democracy because they can't win using a democratic process go ahead now yeah and it's not meant to go through a democratic process because they know they can't win so they're going to do everything they can from now until november to stack the deck that's what they're going to do and now that these riots are going to subside they're going to subside because he didn't get the jobs report that they were hoping for i.e. they were hoping for a much worse jobs reports in what turned out which turned out to be a surprise jobs report and i think it says. right house is good news is antithetical to their view you know it's a nice day with you here before we end the program. do you think that at this point
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in time that these these liberals and the democrats they they just played their cars you have that you mention the jobs report and there's going to be this way into law and order is this protesting and violence this type of protest they can go ahead and show well but i think they were they were hoping for the people out on the streets to propel that to that regime change that we're talking about i think that's doubt that's been the big difference from russia gate ukraine gate the impeachment to this that they actually got people out on the streets so that right so i think that the fact that the jobs report was not what they expected i think is going to take a lot of wind out of their sails for the regime change but but i think of the next 2 or 3 weeks you're going to have another go at it and i think they're refining their tactics and they're getting better libertarian or ideologically possessed they're not rational and they only think about self-interest that's all the time we
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want to thank my guests in moscow and in nicosia and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here on the scenics i remember.
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