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because of the courts to try and win a 2nd term i'm joined now from massachusetts by lawyer and author of the case against impeaching trump professor alan dershowitz who says the law may favor donald trump alan thanks so much for coming back on why do you think from a win in the courts well it depends on how he loses in the states if you lose is the election by losing pennsylvania is a strong argument that his lawyers 'd can make that pennsylvania should not count ballots that came in late it's a technical argument but it's the argument that prevailed in bush versus gore and there are already 3 or 4 justices who agree with that argument but it would take a combination of circumstances during the election to bring that case into a posture where you would win in the court so i think it's unlikely he will prevail in the courts but that's his best shot you broke a media myth about different cases time and time again over your decades in law
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what impact do you think the so-called mainstream media is going to make on the case they seem to have already decided that joe biden is the president of the united states while the media mostly engages in wishful thinking and they're often wrong because they substitute was they hope will happen for a careful analysis of what will happen and you know the most likely outcome obviously is that biden gets elected with more than $270.00 electoral votes and he wins in court if you have to be betting money that's where you have to be betting but with our judicial system it's impossible to predict the outcome what are the timescale are we talking about will be about a month as it was in 2000 with bush and gore. if it turns out that that biden wins the election without pennsylvania i think we'll have a result within weeks not months if pennsylvania becomes a key state then i think it will take months do you think trump always had in mind
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the 300 judges that were appointed under his administration given that he had already been suspecting vote tampering. well i think he there are a lot of reasons why he wanted to appoint lots of judges his base wants conservative judges but i think part of the reason may very well have been as a backstop as a protection in the event that he had to take the election to court any president would think in those terms how is the average american supposed to understand what on earth is going on you may know that social media company twitter is already throttling the ability to share tweets made by president trump about the election well twitter is violating its own 'd terms you know it gets exemption from defamation suits gets a supposed to be only a platform but it's become a publisher and it decides what goes in and what stays out and it decides whether
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to flag tweets or not that's not its job and i think the american public is getting fed up with the social media and them being exempt from they're above the law in some ways and yet they act in a way that's inconsistent with the law as he twisted denies and says it's a it's changing all the time as to its policies as regards politics what do you think the role of lawyers will be on behalf of trump we had his personal lawyer rudy giuliani on the program he's been giving press conferences in philadelphia to the press will you be helping the case or do you see that it will be giuliani and his team who will be defending the. trump presidency it will be giuliani it is chamber i've known really for a bite in the 30 or 40 years i've done my duty to the president of the united states of america by defending him against the unconstitutional impeachment charge on this issue i'm going to just sit back and watch 'd i have my own podcast or
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analyze the case and i will be an observer and a commentator but not a participant it's a historical now what he was telling us on the program was about to biden and making sure any allegations about the president's son and. well maybe the president and certainly the president future president biden himself why do you think it didn't make any headway on the news channels in the united states and a polling day well i think some of the news channels didn't cover it if there were an anti biden they covered it if they were pro by and they didn't cover it that's a tragedy. that you don't get objective news it should have been covered and should have been investigated it's a serious charge but the media if they're pro biden just say it's an uncorroborated on document a charge and the other side's acts as if it's totally 'd prove it it's a charge worthy of being investigated and i suspect it will be investigated if and
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when joe 'd biden becomes president by what do you feel in the night when you're watching florida declare so decisively. relative to 2000 and the other states coming in i was surprised i voted in florida and i thought florida 'd 'd would be much closer as it has been in the past the remarkable thing about this election is how little has changed over the past 4 years obviously the country has changed dramatically but the vast majority of states voted the same way 'd they did 4 years ago then difference in the popular vote 'd about $3000000.00 is about the same as it was the only difference is a handful of states which. los all actions went the other way and that will determine the outcome of the election supporters of trump say he shouldn't have given that press conference on the night saying there is fraud and waited a little bit do you think that will affect any court outcome because he was
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alleging both will fraud even before the election and of course on the night rather than saying this is the state of play at the moment we'll wait and see i don't think that kind of statement affects the courts it was done after the polls will close so i think it was just him saying what he believed and i don't think it will have any impact either electorally or judicially i just find you want something different i know you've been accused of being brought to the epstein sex trafficking right scandal we had a guy on who worked for israeli intelligence who made a claim that amp steen and maxwell were israeli spies anything that you knew of the daily mirror pension fund being used to finance epstein and israeli intelligence being involved i am totally convinced that bass completely false as false as the accusations against me and my case the accusations we have emails that make use of trying to suppress and which you admit you never met me we have her lawyer and take
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it meaning that she was wrong we have the f.b.i. former f.b.i. investigating it i have been totally completely exonerated and the proof is overwhelming that my music made up the whole story and i think people making up stories about them aside i don't think there's any truth to that at all why do you think people who knew epstein i'm actually saying things like that. well you know he's a mysterious character people known all on about him he visited me once in israel i think it was the only time he was ever at israel he didn't seem to know anybody there i arranged 'd a lunch for him at the time before i do anything wrong or anything improper that he had done i arranged a lunch with him with the judges and justices and important people he had never met any of those people i can't imagine that he had any contact with israel but it's easy to make up stories and i think the media has an obligation to check those stories i've asked the f.b.i. to investigate me and investigate my accuser one of us should be charged with perjury and it obviously should be her because i never met her she made up all
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story i think we have to be so cautious about epstein related stories because people are so inclined to make them up specially now these deadness no opportunity to respond i'm not here are going for epstein what he did what i found out he afterward is terrible but i didn't know about it most people who know him didn't know about it before but i doubt he had any connection to any intelligence agency why do you think the media are more interested in the story than the hunter biden lead a corruption of easy or they shouldn't they shouldn't be why news about a man who will be president of the united states the other 'd is a bad enough secure financial guy is dead 1 but one is salacious the other is not and i think the media follow salacious stories and they don't investigate properly if they investigated the accusations against me with the same or here that they've investigated other allegations they would dismiss them out of hand i hope they do imo i'm an open book i've done nothing wrong that's why i'm prepared to speak about it many of the other people have been accused aren't prepared to speak about it but
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i have nothing to hide absolutely and i should ask you given the trump gave the golan heights illegally occupy the new u.n. resolution to israel recognized jerusalem as the capital with the u.s. embassy then one if my does become president will be us is. relations. to patiently go on hikes is completely totally lawful as a professor of law specializing in these kinds of issues i can assure you that capturing a battleship in an aggressive war waged against you and not giving it back is perfectly lawful united states that the right thinking of the earth by human security council resolution is just wrong but well the un security council resolution is dead wrong and it's been wrong in the past but but but as for why. he will stand by the decisions made by president trump the only place you'll never get perhaps is on the iran deal where he'll go back and try to get a better deal from iran but he won't reverse truce and we won't reverse the golan
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heights and he certainly won't reverse the peace process between israel and the gulf states which is a very 'd positive development to israel as nothing different not that much difference between trump obama i think biden will 'd be better than obama but not quite as good for israel 'd as trump but i think biden will be fine i've known biden for 40 years he's always been pro israel generally and i think support for israel warming bipartisan among the democrats and the republicans with a few exceptions on the hard left of the democratic party prince around thank you thank you often the break washington ballots to washington bullets will the u.s. election do little to impede the march of us imperialism we are scores of egypt are shot about assassinations in the name of democracy only some more coming up on 2 of going on the ground.
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time is that the biggest political events of the last 4 years is happening amid the coronavirus and the rest of them to the level of civil unrest sparked by the death of george floyd and the lies of the radical groups on both sides of the political spectrum. right there breaking the city ordinance. say. these groups attract barely a week members who have taken to the streets making protests look like full scale you know what used to be here there's only you know what's about to. visit demonstrators are sometimes heavily armed and they are not afraid of violence or law enforcement. if you want a war let it begin with us. we're going to meet those groups and their leaders to find out how far they're ready to go to fight for what they believe the
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state for this country. sputnik 5 has the world. just like its namesake the original sputnik. the 1st draft of a to leave. orbit the world's sidewall many questions remain unanswered about russia's new vaccine the authorities are confident enough to go forward with mass production. has exposed for. what the family states please we may see you specifically say life in the because no one from the. real radio received. interest early in their requests. billions those us but see. all right this is happening all the way go and
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the reaction has been exactly the same as it was waved by. journalists from the us . the world reaction is made of green cheese if. you look a little before you. do much good. you have to. join me everything on the alex simon chill and i'll be speaking to guess what the world of politics. i'm showbusiness i'll see you then. welcome back regardless of the litigation now underway about this week's contested u.s. presidential election some things arguably never change as the u.s.
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military seeks to block chinese economic supremacies in as the u.s. deep state seeks to neutralize rival powers i'm joined now by author and other division his new book washington bullets a history of the cia coups in assassinations is out now and he joins me from north hampton in massachusetts thanks so much for going back on does it matter who wins obviously in some minute but as regards the issues in your new book. you know the issues of the u.s. foreign policy u.s. aggression towards countries like venezuela towards countries like cuba the difference is not only minimal it's just not this is a bipartisan consensus whether you had a democratic president liberal democratic president or you've had a far right republican president they've all tried to throw overthrow governments and they succeeded from the overthrow of mohammad mosaddegh in iran from 1053 do able more alice in bolivia 2019 there's been no difference you know when you look
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at the record of these people they all have a very similar attitude toward the world which is to use u.s. power as much as possible to secure the basic you know advantage to american corporations and i don't see any difference in a biden administration between biden and trump there will be a difference in attitude you know a trump presidency was a presidency where mr trump essentially pushed people aside at international meetings to get to the front of the line when he's photographed biden will be a little more polite but this politeness when bombs are being dropped on you is to my mind irrelevant i'll get to the bullet in more detail but you mention evo morales. that he really has written the preface to your new book how do you think washington will react in the past few days it's happened that even more as can return to that lithium superpower we often talk about the fact we all carry
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a bit of bolivia with us and mobile phones that's well said we do carry a bit of bolivia with us in our mobile phones able morale is returned to bolivia the bolivian people stood up against a coup d'etat which they faced in november 29th it's extraordinary action we haven't really seen many examples of a coup d'etat happening and in a bow to the people they checked the coup government in a democratic process this struggle and they fight and they bring their own people back in power there's a major civil war let's say or a cold war ongoing in latin america between china and the united states and we mustn't underestimate this we saw this recently in el salvador with the president about salvador center right person went to china got a lot of deals on the way back to el salvador stopped off in tokyo japan she whispered in his ear and said don't cut
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a deal with china regarding the port the americans showed up they signed some deals with the south of putting a lot of pressure to break with china this is exactly what the bolivia story is about it will more or less be lifted his country toward china they had a number of important deals in booting the chinese help putting a bulletin satellite into space called qatari satellite the americans were furious about this and they overthrew the the government so this cold war with china's commercial interests in south america being pushed back by the united states not through its own commercial dealings because united states cannot actually compete commercially as you see with huawei and zte that d. they're using extra economic means to break the back of the chinese commercial developments in. these parts of the world and that's what we're going to see again whether it's a trump or biden ministration really in anybody administration because you see in silicon valley option not one silicone valley c.e.o.
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has come out to condemn trump's trade war against china because they agree with the trade war because that's the only way they can compete with chinese high tech firms at this time but the bolivian example is really something to hold on to the people held fast but r.c. had you know gasoline and red being thrown on her hair was cut and she looked at the camera and says we are not afraid and now she's been elected as a senator in the senate didn't believe you have something to hold our heads high for ok well we invite the u.s. ambassador i don't know which one it might be in the next few hours whether it's the same one joke in washington obviously deny what you're saying they say was a formula and a constitution that even more or less was responsible for you mentioned bolivia che guevara was killed in bolivia by me tehran repeatedly told him he told the killer his own killer you are only killing
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a man with the idea that you're you know killing an idea you seem to disagree in this book washington bullets you believe washington bullets actually do have actions greater than jake of even so when i was a young person i was so enthusiastic about their rise to power in berkeley so then known as up of alter of a young man by the name of thomas and kyra in 1903 some kind of came to power brought in very sensitive policies very progressive people into the administration you know he did something so intelligent he said on every wednesday women will not do any cooking not do any cleaning not do any washing we've got to teach men to take charge of the character on a mean side. the house it was at that the level of sensitivity that he put policies in place in 1907 he was assassinated it was killed the collusion of french intelligence the military in faso and so on the in the highest some got
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a project at that moment lost confidence you know people lost confidence in the ability to move history forward the killing of some of the killing of lumumba that had a catastrophic effect on the national liberation policy in the congo cond underestimate what it does how it shocks the psychosocial capacity of a people when their standard bearer is killed in cold blood and you know we can recite name after name after name the assassination of chris hani at the beginning of the south african experience after apartheid he was killed in 1904 going out to get a newspaper this major leader of the communist party. you know leader of the workers party in tunisia shot dead right when tunisia was moving out of ben ali's regime these people dead dead it has an impact because it diminishes our feeling that we can move the streets guess millions of people and i don't want to underestimate
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that it's not it's not true that just a person is killed not an idea sometimes option the idea is killed so you're actually saying that these cia ling bullets are responsible for as you say in the book the richest 22 men in the world having more wealth than all the women of africa put together the one percent owning the wealth of 6900000000 people. it's not irresponsible by itself one washington bullet doesn't create a billionaire but it certainly helps you know for instance if the people of the congo were able to in 1061 have a political agenda in front of them with patrice lumumba leading their movement if they were able to create a sovereign country with control over the economy duty you wouldn't have call. a company based in switzerland essentially mining copper and cobalt out of that country and being the country very little being the people of congo which is that
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sub minimum so the 1000000000 is a created by the killing of you know important people in movements but also let's stick colombia we're almost every day a social movement leader is assassinated we don't know all the names option that's the other thing but in a small look at or take the case of honduras when bush took a carriage was killed she was leading the fight to defend the people against you know a big dam project when she was killed the thought that it would minimize the impact or you know on the project a huge to look at a project that backfired it's not always the case that the killing the killing of lumumba for instance is going to have an impact which benefits the 1000000000 is sometimes it backfires it backfired in the one duras report to cook at his his people continue to fight and that project is now put into some disarray so i mean it's not a case every time you kill somebody somebody is going to make money but it's often
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the case that when you kill somebody and you destroy the confidence of the people to fight for their basic rights they're going to work generations for sub wages and other people are going to make billions that glencore example that's the last man that bill clinton pardoned the head of glencore mockery each. his company domiciled in switzerland and glencore moggridge say they have robust human rights practices in all their endeavors the book traces the i.m.f. the world bank the marshall plan and arguably corrupt foundation of the united nations we've just had remembrance sunday here in the last 24 hours this book examines the white washing of history why do you think that no collective consciousness about well many people. i believe in iraq was the reason we ended world war 2 no one knows about dresden and the bombing arguably when they commemorate with their red poppies on their lapels world war 2 telling about the
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white washing well 1st i just want to say option that i don't have any problem with events like remembrance sunday because human beings went to war and they died and we should remember them because war is a horrible thing and nobody should be sent to it and whether you're on the side of the angels or not we should celebrate the death of people who died for nothing frankly but there is a lot of white washing of the system that produces war not the people themselves who go and sacrifice you know for instance in the united united kingdom why hasn't the u.k. government taken an incident like jelly elop bug when in 1919 british soldiers went into a square and killed over 300 unarmed people as they did an on peaceful protest that was a massacre conducted in certain 1900 why hasn't the british government just apologized for that they don't apologize for it because if they apologize for it they have to
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knowledge the system of imperialism that benefited britain and continues to benefit britain there's a direct line option between the massacre at genuine a bug and be a systems selling its weaponry to saudi arabia as it bombs yemen if you apologize for the bug how are you going to so easily give be a systems the license to continue to saudi arabia to conduct 2020 level massacres in yemen and i think that's the issue with amnesia it's not really amnesia it's actually consideration for the continuation of those old policies into the present you don't look at it you don't look at dresden you don't look at the soviet red on me coming across a great gadget. these to dick you know defeat the nazis you don't look at all that because you need to have a self image of britain as this shining star you have to have the image of the united states is someone exceptional untainted by the nastiness of history that's
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because you want to continue your nasty policies in the present and back it it is something humanitarian liberal and beautiful that's the cause of so-called amnesia and it's something we need to you know talk about and explain that saying that i'm against this amnesia doesn't necessarily mean i want to denigrate you know you know and says still who died in some war somewhere not because they were the cause of benefited from it but because they were basically the foot soldiers well production is in your manual all regime jane which is included in this book i presume not prescriptively obviously be a systems would deny what you are saying they say they're robustly equipping the saudi air force as it. continues to be involved in the world's worst humanitarian crisis they have given interviews i should say to business childs david cameron we invite him on the show about why doesn't the ball address from reza thank you
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you'll have a final declaration. of victory yet. but the numbers show us it's clear we're going to win this race stopping short of declaring victory democrat joe biden says he's on course for the white house is announcement comes despite ballot counting continuing in case state's. budget by the leaves with 264 electoral votes trump has 24270 is the magic number needed to win the presidency and. sometimes this is why bill is no right to quote wrongfully declare victory the way to multiple low suits alleging electoral fraud the republican claims that suddenly slips in joe biden's.


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