tv Face the Nation CBS January 31, 2016 10:30am-11:00am EST
he iowa caucuses are here, tomorrow starts with just a day to go before th e before th voters speak for the first time in campaign 26?,ans are digging out from a last-minute blizzard of presidential craziness. >> it has reached hollywoodith the next president of the united states, donald j trump! >> dickerson: and the pleas from the candidates have reached a wacky to ask everyone here to vote for me ten times. >> with some candidates promising to do just about anything for a do whatever you want, but almost anything. i don't --
sing. >> one company did sing. this land is your land, this land is my land -- -- >> dickerson: we will sit downnt runner donald trump, plus the candidates some say have the hot hand going into the voting, marco rubio, we will also have lots of political analysis on bothwith just monday to go before voting in iowa and new hampshire a week away, no time to duck out. >> call donald trump and try to the debate. >> dickerson: it is all coming up on "face the nsored by cbs nation". >> good morning and welcome to "face the nation". i am john dickerson. the final precaucus numbers are in. and according to the bloomberg politics des moines register poll, hillary clinton is up over bernie sanders, 45 tont among likely democratic caucus goers, on the other side, donald trump is on
cruz is next at is at 15, ben carson at 10 percent support, the rest of the field is in single digits. >> we caught up with donald trump on the campaign trail in new hampshireegan our conversation with his boycott of the fox news debate. >> in 2011 you weren'tebate and you said of the republicans who weren't going to show we are not seeing a lot of counsel here are we, not a lot of counsel, these republicans are supposed to be e said about you? >> you are sharp, because there was no reason, i was doing the moderation, i mean it was for a news things and i asked thed of mine a very good guy would i don't you do it, i have never done it before, i guess i will do it. >> but here is the difference, i was treated very unfairly by treated, they weren't treated badly, i was treated very badly by fox, they issued a statement that was an inappropriate statement. now what happened is since then and they tried very much to get me
the event, might counter event had taken off and, youve thousands of people standing out of the building it is amazing. >> what about this charge, though, it is a press release like if you -- >> that's okay. >> dickerson: you were is being a little -- >> you know what i did? i raised $6 million for vets. that is more important, frankly than doing a debate.shington post" had a poll that said seven in ten voters have a high level of anxiety about you. why do you think that is? >> well, look, i am a strong going to make our country great again, which is what we want, and i would say that, you know, i can think of people that maybe they would have a little bit less anxiety about but theyhing done and we are in trouble. >> dickerson: you talked about being unpredictable, is that unpriblghtbility causes people the anxiety? >> i think, so i think we have to be enemies know what we are going to do, whether it is battle, whether it is war, whether it is finance,
now, i am the leader by a lot in terms of the republicans side and i am beating hillary in the polls. i hate to give you as an example will ask me a question very strategic question, maybe a military type question and i have a very strong answer in mind but there is something about giving you that answer that bothers me veryly the enemy is getting that answer. >> dickerson: but what about, if you are president, people have this anxious feeling about you, you have to fix this, people can't be all anxious.on't think that, i think once with they know me, in fact i was listening to one of your cohorts recently, last week and they said they have never seen favorables go up so much so fast as my >> >> dickerson: but there is a lot of drama around your campaign, you are occasionally in twitter wars. is that presidential, do you think these twitters back and forth? >> well, i have been on twitter was a politician and i am carrying it on, i started with 17 people, including myself, now a lot of them are dropping out and many more will be dropping out and
all different sides, having twitter is great and between facebook and twitter and instagram i have 12 million people, more than 12 million people, so it is a great way ofrd out, but certainly i mean, look, i went to great schools, i was a good student all of that stuff, i am very capable of slowing down twitter or doing do, but twitter is actually i found it to be, and facebook, a wonderful modern way of>> dickerson: in iowa, your campaign is based on the idea you are a winner, does that mean you have to win iowa? >> i don't have to win it and right now you and i are sitting in new hampshire and as you knowantial lead in new hampshire but i think it would be really good to win iowa, i would like to win iowa, i am doing really well with theiowa but also doing tremendously well all over the country with the evangelicals i am leading by a lot. i am doing great with the tea party and doing well with all a fairly substantial lead in iowa. i think we have a good chance of winning iowa, i would like to.
tight never iowa and now you areore, why do you think that? >> well, i think that ted cruz has been severely affected by the goldman sachs loans, which he didn't disclose, and it was financial form and the citibank loans he didn't disclose into couldn't that have been a mistake? >> it could have been but it is two loans, give me a break, okay an he is supposed to be robin hood for everybody, he didn't ause he didn't want with to say he is dealing with the bankers, remember he says he sold his assets much more important is the whole fact he was born in canada. and he was a citizen of canada until certain time ago and there are constitutional lawyers coming out, lawrence tribe is sort of a middle ground, numbers he says it is untested but many lawyersonstitutional lawyers that ted cruz can't run for president and be president because of the fact he was born in canada. i think has has a huge effect. >> dickerson: in your rallies you talk to people and if talk to people that talk your rallies and they like you are uncompromising and i talked
are overcoming their skepticism about you by thinking, he is going to compromise, he is goi washington, which one is right? >> i think everyone is right, i mean, honestly i they are, think they are all right, i am a tough deal maker and we have to makeunny when i see ted cruz standing in the senate and nobody else is with him and standing by himself and you have all of these other politicians, senators, and congressmen,trying to -- he is by himself. it is wonderful and i can understand how a radio show host could say, oh isn't that not going to get anything done, you have to g able to get things done. ted doesn't have an endorsement from one united states senator. d say that is great -- >> no that is bad. >> dickerson: you have said washington. you have to have -- >> a lot of them are very good people that won't get it done. i mean the recent budget that was passed is a horror show, it never should have been passed et ted doesn't have one senate like a mike lee who is a very
guy, why isn't he getting theet the endorsements from sarah palin and jerry falwell, jr. and i have incredible, even sheriff joe endorsed me whicht in the world. >> dickerson: knows are not senators but outside of washington. >> still they are very important people. as an example, sheriff joe,kerson: joe arpaio. >> trump, you know what that means, i am toughest on the y do you think, you have a lot of working people at your rallies, you are more than any other company, you live a life that is most distant from them, why do they supportecause i am a job producer. i produced 10s of thousands of jobs over my lifetime, right now i am producing thousands of jobs. that includes healthcare,ies, you know, et cetera, et cetera. and i grew up, me and my father was a builder in queens and i ked on building houses, and building whatever. i mean i relate to them, i love
love the policemen, i love the firemen, for whatever reason, it is strange, i mean -- >> dickerson: you don't ride three buses and -- >> no, po.second job. >> i have, i have the ultimate bus called the 727,, you know, and now it is a 757, actually, when i think of it, buti always had great relationships with the workers. i work with them. i used to work during the summer building houses in brooklyn andt worked with them. these are incredible people. they have been hurt very badly. the middle income people in our country have been hurt very badly, that's why i am doing a big tax cut for them. >> person sanders appeal to some of your voters and make a pitch to them. >> would you make a pitch to bernie sanders? >> i think i will appeal to them. one thing, to a certain degree on his trade, we are gettingn in trade the difference is i will make great trade deals he is not capable of doing it, he is incapable of doing it and, you know, he just that. >> dickerson: but he does at
just absolutely ripped by china and all of these other countries. so in that way we are with the same. i think a lot of hisme over. a one of the reasons that iowa and i think the other guys won't win i will get states they never will get, i have a chance of an example and a good chance of getting virginia i will get pennsylvania, i will get ohio, i will get michigan, i will get florida, you know, my numbers just came down, i am at 48, thesenator i think is at 11 or 12, and a former governor is in the eights. but i think i will win florida, and i win a lot of states and win them, a lot of democrats are going to cross over 0 to me because they are tired of what is happening. >> dickerson: when you are in iowa and went to a church service the sermon was in part onke away from that? >> well, you know, they didn't know i was coming because of security reasons. okay? and so we just so sort of showed up, maybe they changed the it was a combines dense but it was actually on humility, i don't
sermon, a beautiful church, ion: but it was humility, a lot of people -- your name is on everything, you -- we often talked about you our pitch. >> i know but there is more humility than you would think, believe me. >> dickerson: hidden humility. >> we are all the same and all probably one of two places, you know, but we are all the same and i do have actually much more humility than a lot of peoplerson: but you don't want to show it? >> i would rather not play my cards. i want to be unpredictable. >> dickerson: who do you like in the super bowl? >>ie naah team is sort of a hot team and the quarterback is doing great. i very much have always liked peyton manning, he is a very good guy, i know him. and he is a guy. so i have to go with the person i know and i like the other team i think the other team looks fantastic, probably they would be favored by something, but i peyton because he is a very good guy. >> dickerson: all right, mr. trump.
>> thank you veryickerson: des moines senator, there is a lot of chatter you may be getting a lot of the last minute votes going your way, how does it feel? >> well, we aign here and we continue to feel that it is growing in our support and see what it leads to monday night, i mean ted cruz is clearly the front runner coming into as 10,000 volunteers on the ground, he spent an exorbitant amount of time here, tremendous amount of time here, and we have got, he every endorsement he wanted it is a tough hill to climb but we feel positive what it means going into new soon as the caucus is over and we will be in new hampshire early tuesday morning ready to work. >> dickerson: sounds like you are setting expectations fors calling you the republican obama, what do you think of that? >> well, other than the fact i oppose virtuallyck obama stands for, it is kind of bizarre because ted is leading in a lot of the polls, he has a vast organization here
campaign has bragged repeatedlyare going to do here so it is kind of strange at the last minute they pivoted all of their attacks against me and disingenuous attacks, they interview i did in 2007 in florida and clipped it so my full statements wasn't heard, and it makes it sounds like i support cap and trade and this already has beenmocked for years because i was, he tried to do the same thing, it is a weird and last-minute desperationally -- i don't understand why. he has got such a strong organization here in iowa, but it is all fine. we are going to be okay.to but maybe it is a good thing he is attacking you, it means you must be doing something right. >> well, we have taken more than anybody else in attacks, jebnt close to close to $30 million on television which is more than every attack on every other company combined and then you add ted cruz's attacks, yeah,on't attack a company, they have no chance to win with so we feel good about
fact it is having no impact and we are continuing to work andsage so we are going to close , we are going to close strong here with our message, we like where that leads and we look forward to moving on as well to new hampshire which comes up shortly after that. >> dickerson: let me ask you about the jeb bush attacks from his super pac, who spent a lot of time attacking you, stephen haze of theays the lasting legacy of those attacks may be to make donald trump the nominee, what do you think of that? >> well, donald trump i don't nominee with that said, yeah, jeb has a right to spend his money any way he wants. i think people have noticed, that it is close to $30 millionst me and i knew that when i got into this race that the establishment, many people in the republican establishment didn't want me to run, they thought i needed to wait my turn or wait in line but i just feltf barack obama, this was no time for patience, it was a time for action and so i ran i and i knew i would face some of this, this is big dollar checks writtensuper pac i am sure some of the people who
disappointed and others perhaps this is what they intended all along, but in the end, this election is in god's hand aswe will do our very best and we are confident about where that leads. >> dickerson: you said the establishment doesn't want you, but when i talked to people who would be considered good membersing of the establishment, they do want you. des moines register endorsed you, you are the hope against ted cruz and donald was the case i wouldn't have raised only six where filled the third quarter of last year and i would be the one with $100 million super pac, but it is fine, look in the end we have to unify the republicanssence we won't be able to succeed if we can't unify the republican party and the conservative movement and then we have to grow it and reach out to people that haven't voted for us before. and c conservativism is the right approach for america. i believe that, i know that i am the company that can best, most quickly unify the party, unifyovement and
nominee i defeat person with any sanders or hillary clinton and that's why i know in the end we will be successful, we feel veryampaign. >> dickerson: let me ask you about the question of immigration, there was a sharp set of exchanges between you and senator cruz during the debate ted cruise it is built on a lie he is more conservative than the other candidates. but on the key piece of legislation on immigration, cares about immigration, don't they just need to know you voted for it and he voted against it? >> well, ted act like someot a fact, ted helped designed george w. bush's immigration platform, when he was working on his campaign, and there are memos that show that, and then as and the national broadcast, ted said there had to be a compromise about the people who are here illegally, something he now calls am necessary, amnesty butor, in the senate he talked about wanting to pass immigration reform and bringing people out of the shadows, et cetera so he is not what he portrays himself to be.e is that this is
confronted and does need to be fixed. it cannot continue the way it is. and it will not happene is no way to pass a comprehensive bill, that has been tried, i saw it and it doesn't work, the only way forward is to do this by beginning with borderd conflict of the american people that immigration is under control but i think the lie is that ted continues to try to portray himself as the only race and rand paul made the same point, and on this issue and others, ted has been very calculated, taking one position at one place and a different positionnd voters see through that and in time it will catch up with him and already started, to i believe. >> dickerson: so your point of view is not about brace, about something big you are making ack here? >> well, it is not a character attack, it is his record, i mean, he used to support -- doubling the number of green cards and now he is against it, he used to support a 500 percent guest worker visas and now he is against that. he used to be in favor of
he is against it. i mean on issue, he goes talkingeaves out the fact he defended a chinese company that stole inventions from an american, a floridian, ae was a defense counsel for the chinese company. so just on issue after issue you see incredible calculation, he goes to new york and raises millions of dollars and thenest of the country and attacks new york values. these are the things that overtime people start to realize that those are real calculation here politically and just >> dickerson: all right. senator rubio, we are going to have to end there it, thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you. thank you for having me. in one minute with a closer look at where the race in iowa
with theid you learn, what did you see in the numbers about trump voters? >> well, one of the things we love about getting fresh data about a race and especially this close to thes to put some interesting puzzle pieces together. as you can see, donald trump is leading the race by five points, but the lead are very interesting, so he does especially well with moderates, he does especially well with people who consider themselves predominant heublicans, but he also does very well, his strongest showing is with people who say the system is rigged in favor of the rich andd of have an interesting group of people who have come together to support donald trump as our leader in our poll. >> dickerson: and what about ted cruz? he is not too far trump, what do you find about his voters? >> he is not too far behind, but he has slipped out of first place, so you always think about
the end so you have that enthusiasm. ted cruz does very well with people who consider themselves very conservative. he also does and has donehich, traditionally well with he, with evangelical history, we know from caucus history this is a group that is more likely to show up on caucus night, so run a little in hour data to to say what if they show up in higher numbers than our poll would with suggest? he can bring that number a lot closer on caucus night with a good turnout among that >> dickerson: speaking of turnout, one of the big quest whether donald trump who is doing ate very different way than it normally is done in iowa whether his enthusiasticorters at the rallies will actually go to the gyms and churches and that? >> well, there are a couple of data points on that, first of highest percentage of any company of his supporters saying they are locked in, that they cannot be moved so that is a very nice
respondents, how enthusiastic would you be if company x were the nominee and donald trump's that enthusiastic, much higher for ted cruz, much higher for marco rubio, so that is just a little hint, is there enough enthusiasm that they will go out on caucus night, show up and support him. >> dickerson: and what about quickly on the republican side, late deciding voters? are they going anyway, do youmany of them are there? >> well, the way with that i look at late deciding, it is a relatively small group, but for donald trump and for ted cruz,o half of the people supporting every other company who would say i can still change my mind. and what is different about caucuses isn in the caucus room. to show up to vote at the primary there is a law about how far back any electioneering can happen but there will beat caucus room, and all of those
percentage points support may be courted to come on board withu think has a chance to win and that might be marco rubio or it could be ted cruz or possibly donald trump, although he is a more isolatingickerson: swimming swrks switching over to the democratic side, also close between person with any sanders and hillary clinton. >> what do you see in the to you? >> what is interesting to me is that a, that is a three-point race right now but hillary clinton's numbers show kind of an undergirding of a very strong number, 83 percent of her supporters who say they are locked in. her issue, and this is kind of a good thing, bad thing, she is a, with older voters, bernie sanders does very well with younger voters, he kind of has that obama coalition, the first timers, themselves independent rather than democrat, and the youth vote, those are all less reliable but he has a enthusiasm going foret those people out on caucus night we can see a surprise in those rooms.