jeremy howard, really interesting to talk to you about that. thank you so much. the brazilian president, jair bolsonaro, has sacked his health minister after the two men openly clashed over how to tackle the spread of coronavirus. the minister had been an advocate of a lockdown. but the president has called for brazilians to go back to work. mr bolsonaro said brazil‘s economy needed to gradually open up, or the country would go broke. new york‘s governor has extended the stay at home order until may 15. despite the restrictions, the city‘s devoted joggers are finding ways to keep up their regular routines. the bbc‘s tom brook is a runner — he laced up his shoes for a spin around central park, to help bring the pandemic into focus. stopping the spread of the coronavirus is a mission for all of us. the alarm goes off every morning with radio news bringing more gloom. i get up, make some coffee, prepare for my run, don my face mask and go down to the street. i live just 30 seconds from central park. there ijoin other runners. i stop and talk to them, of co

howard setting because being challenged by experts likejeremy howard and jeremy hunt who says they may reduce the spread on london underground and specifically to the ask when the government came to that conclusion that it consider only the medical evidence about transmission or was it also taking into account the obvious fact that there are not enough masks to go around to the public? it is certainly the case that if there was ever a competition between health care workers and care workers the front line, and people using them in situations where the risk is incredibly low, i don't think it takes a scientist or doctor ina very think it takes a scientist or doctor in a very bad thing to happen and that's one of the reasons they really rated the advice in most settings masks should be for health ca re settings masks should be for health care workers. however, this is a very small issue that we are re—examining and which they reelected that this money for other scientific groups are looking at the evidence. my summary to date would be the evidence is weak but the evidence of a small ef

jeremy howard is a distinguished research scientist at the university of san francisco. he wrote those words for "the washington post." mr. howard, the w.h.o. initially said you only need to wear a mask if you're taking care of a person with a suspected covid-19 infection. how did they get tell so strong? >> well, we now know that 50% of people infected have no symptoms. we also know during the first week is when people are most infectious, where they're least likely to have symptoms. what the w.h.o. did here, they did not err on the side of caution. they weren't quite sure of the science, and what they should have said is do do it. 80% of americans wear a face mask, any kind of cover, they can actually stop the virus in its tracks. >> here is the cloth covering i'm using, i don't know if you can see it, when i wear it, am i doing so to protect myself or to protect you? >> primary, you're doing it to do your bit in the community to protect others. we know that this disease spreads when we talk, little droplets fly out of our mouth. it makes obvious sense and the science

jeremy howard, university of san francisco research scientist. a member of world economic forum global council. kind enough to join us via skype. jeremy, maybe you can help me with this, little more than couple weeks ago, we were told save masks for health care workers, average folks walk around really don't need them. what is the real skinny? >> charles, the real skinny is this, super simple. there are hospital masks needed for hospital workers. they do special procedures aerosol generating procedures, spray goes everywhere, you need specially fitted masks. they need them. there is kind of mask you can make at home, don't even need a sewing machine, anybody has to wear the masks to go outside. it is number of one thing we can do to stop the spread of the virus. neil: so, if there is a guideline change, let's say from the surgeon general's office or now the government, i don't know which entity would officially say it is a good idea? i even see, jeremy, more people walking around with these things. i live in a small community. i'm seeing more of

science jeremy howard will answer the questions more. next. ♪ ♪ >> in an ideal world, we would have the public being messed when they go out. >> we don't recommend them for the general public. >> laura: which is that? masks, no masks, halloween masks? while the cdc and settling the debate in recommending and not requiring, people wear face masks while they're out in public in a physical distance, but not the kind that doctors are. >> a scarf is highly recommended by the professionals. >> can be made from bad demos or scarves or things like this which you have at home. >> were advising new yorkers to wear a face covering whether it be a scarf, it can be something you create yourself at home. >> laura: joining me now is jeremy howard, founder of masks for all and university of san francisco scientist and jeremy, should we d be doing a y thing with a vacuum cleaner bags and i'm looking for those all night and i can find any. there's a run on the banks now and apparently that's good. would you recommend? >> you know, the worst mask as yo

scientist jeremy howard will answer all those questions and more next. [ "one more time" by daft punk ] woo! [ laughing ] woo! play pop music! ♪ no way dude, play rock music! yeah! -woah! no matter what music you like, stream it now on pandora with xfinity. and don't forget to catch "trolls world tour". let's party people! ♪ one more time ♪ >> the mask will protect you from a respiratory illness. >> in an ideal world, we'll have the public being mask going out. >> we don't recommend them for the general public. >> laura: which is it, mask, no mask, halloween mask, cloth mask. cdc settling debate and recommending, not requiring it, people wear a mask out in public when they can't physically distance, but not the kind doctors are using. >> a scarf is highly recommended by the professionals. >> it can be made from bandannas or scarfs, things like this that you can have at home. >> we are advising new yorkers to wear a face covering. it could be a scarf. you could be something that you create yourself at home. >> laura: joined me now is jeremy howard, founder of mask for all, a univ

and we're back with jeremy howar howard. the question i'm going to ask, i'm going to pose it here because i want people to know. do you have any hard data that would suggest when you have a critical mass wearing these scarves is effective to tamp down the spread. >> i have a couple of interesting examples of this. perhaps the best thing we can do as data scientists is to look at two time periods of the same country. try and find two time periods but nothing much changes. you can't be perfect. one interesting thing is look at south korea. they have a culture of mask wearing but mainly only when they have symptoms. we now know it's not the primary time they need it. also, the country ran out of masks. people were not able to get masks. during that time, the number of cases in south korea was closely tracking italy. we know how awful things have gotten in italy. then in late february, the government stepped in and they guaranteed a supply of masks and set up a system where everybody could go and get their masks on a particular

university of san francisco data scientist and founder of masks for all, jeremy howard, joins us once again. hey, jeremy, good to see you. >> hello there. nice to see you, too. >> i know. i can't wait to get to the mask making because i just think that's so useful for many people. but, first, i would like to clarify for our viewers, under what situations they need to wear a mask now when they're out and about in the bay area. so let's talk about when they're absolutely required. >> yeah. so they're absolutely required, both, legally and practically. they're nicely aligned, which makes it easy. basically, whenever you're out and about, exempt when you're exercising, not when you're at home and not when you're in the car with family members or on your own. in those situations, there is no requirement, under the orders, to wear a mask. >> okay. in fact, you just answered jonathan rosenbaum's question. he asked do i need to wear a mask if i am just going to take a walk around the neighborhood? so yt sai it's not necessary, and of course it's not legally required. but should you? i mean, c

i'm really excited about this joining us is jeremy howard. you've been talking about masks for the past six weeks or more, right? >> right. >> now that we're finally adopting this on a more universal basis, i want to get it to. i'm excited sthoe people how quickly it can be done. before we get to that i know you have been studyig it if people all wore masks and you have the results of a new study. tell us about that. >> since i was last on your show i put together a team from all around the world. south africa, europe. we have been studying the data and literature intensely. we have discovered that people have their masks backwards or inside out. the research has been looking at what's the impact when you wear a masks in terms of do you get sick, do you get infected if you're wearing a mask. what masks do is they stop other people from getting sick if you're sick. remember, you don't know if you're sick. you're most infectious at the time that you've just first been infected. we crunched the numbers and it turns out under some pretty conserva

jeremy howard, a research scientist at university of san francisco, says there's some things to keep in mind. >> there's two things to be aware of when it comes to picking a material. the first is breakability. and the second is, does it stop liquid? iversity study from 2009 tested the efficiency of homemade masks. and it turns out household products like dish towels and vacuum bags are actually usable. from their analysis, there are many fabric types that will work. if sewing is completely out of the question, which let's be honest -- >> we're going to fold this over -- >> in the, it's better than nothing category, this hair tie and folded cloth option will suffice in a pinch. so if you are making your own mask at home, some advice. be sure to use different fabrics on the front and the back so that when you take it on and off, you know which side should face your mouth when you put it back on. remember to wash them. above all, of course, health officials say nothing works better than social distancing and washing your hands. >> that's for sure. >> yeah, i feel like i'm going to take

barking from home, jeremy howard showed this video of his dog having a virtual playdate, and he says the two dogs are best friends and not seeing each other during the pandemic has been hard of them. these two can howl and bark and interact and do it all virtually. cute. >>> coming up next, the seven things you need to know as you start your day. >>> abc7 has launched a new streaming app, so wherever you are you can get our live newscast, weather and more on our new abc7 app >>> welcome back. it's 6:57 if you are just joining us. number one, shelter-in-place orders will continue through may in most of the bay area. the current orders were set to expire this sunday. >>> number two, sonoma county is reportedly going in the opposite direction, starting to loosen the restrictions this week, and the plan will start with limited local park access and then to construction work and gardening. >>> and then closing to traffic to create safe space for outdoor exercise. >>> number four, more states planning to re-open their economies. texas will allow some businesses to re-open on friday will al

jeremy howard says available evidence suggests near-universal adoption of nonmedical masks when in public, along with complementary public health measures, could successfully reduce and stop community tread. he appeared on our new 3:00 show to talk about the research. >> we now know that masks are best used when somebody who might be infected wears it. if you go out to the shops and somebody is not wearing a mask, they could kill you. >> something you really need to think about. experts caution that masks are no substitute for physical distancing, which is still your safest option. >>> for students, distance learning has been a greater challengehast envisioned. some school districts are just now starting. others are still negotiating with the teachers union to set parameters and expectations. abc 7 news reporter lyanne melendez takes a look. >> reporter: at global family elementary in oakland, parents came to pick up learning packs and the much-needed laptops for their children. the hope is that this coming monday, most, not all, will be interacting online. parents say distance learning g

. >> reporter: jeremy howard, a research scientist at the university of san francisco says the rationale for the public wearing the face coveringsu fin making an effective one? the basic pattern is not new. two layers of fabric, three folds, elastic to go around the ears. absent guidance from the cdc i'm bur two ieeen able t that's usable. you can hand sew one. it just taking a little longer. tah-dah. when it comes to choosing a fabric -- >> there's two things to be aware of when it comes to picking material. the first is breathability and the second is does it stop liquid. >> reporter: a cambridge university study from 2009 tested the efficiency of homemade masks and named dish towels and vacuum bags as usable. and from their analysis there are many fabric types that will work. and if sewing is totally out of the question -- >> we're going to fold this over. >> reporter: in the it's better than nothing category this hair tie and folded cloth option will suffice in a pinch. to make it clear, there is no recommendation so far for ordinary citizens to wear a mask. in fact, the state depart

weave doctor jeremy howard now from the university of san francisco speaking to cnn this moing about why the cdc first commended the people, not wear masks and why they change their mind. >>mister howard the w o initially said you only need to wear a mask if you're taking care of a person with a suspected covid-19 infection, how did they get it so wrong. >>well we now know about 50% of people that are infected have no symptoms. we also know that dung the first week is when people are most infectioushen they're least lily to have simpson's some of the w h o did here was that they did not err on the side of caution they were quite sure of the scienceand so they said don't direct but they should have said is due to it because not what we now knowis always strongly. cass isthat if 80% of people in a community where a face mask, any kind of cloud cover that can actually stop the virus its tracks. >>so instead we were doing this,you know a month ago better late an never in this case as opposed to what we can now that we know what to do and if u do need help getting through this because you

ashish jra of global health institute and jeremy howard, founder of masks for all. dr. jra, i'll start with you first. everyone should be wearing face masks. that's jeremy's piece, i won't give you that piece, can you explain the difference in thinking because the original thinking was masks were more important for somebody already sick to prevent other people from getting sick, but now the thinking has changed. how so? >> so we have more and more evidence, we have known for a while that asymptomatic people, people with no symptoms at all, can spread the disease. but that data has now really become crystal clear over the last month or so. therefore, when you're out in public, you're at a grocery store, you may be infected, you may be spreading the disease but have no symptoms at all and it becomes important you put on that mask. as dr. fauci said, we're all going to get through this together and if we protect each other by wearing masks, it is going to make a big difference. >> yeah. now i'll read the piece that jeremy wrote. you wrote every country with enforced mask u