exception to that would be bill shankly the sort of jimmy cagney esque scotsman who who built the club up from from very very little in the sixty's and seventy's and created this juggernaut you can clips actually comparable to him i would say which is is a real compliment seems that they've taken to the cult of personality is create being created around them like it was for shankly when he smartly now but it was not long ago you're going to what was being labeled it and nearly a man after he lost a number of cup finals so what does this latest win division reputation well i think i think it was rightly was being labeled nearly lost his last cup final in germany as last game with percy dortmund and his 1st 3 years liverpool he lost 2 european finals it lost 6 of the last 7 major finals by that point and it really did look like it was going to happen for him to make that leap to the pantheon but that's where he is no age now he's winning everything he's won in the premier league is when the european cup champions league and european super cup world cup you name it so it's just a case of