maria: welcome back we are back with valueact founder and chairman jeff ubben and nikola motor company ceo trevor melton. there's people can get in and an early stage with growth. i want the rules to be loosened so that people can get in on an idea sooner, and we don't have another situation. you say there is another connection here. tell about the connection. so ultimately nikola is going public barely compared to most companies. think that's how it's going to be in the future for a while. the reason while is when that we work debacle happen, most of the very large investors around the world that were piling billions into startups and tech companies, said look, we had no idea what was going on, it was very hard in hard for us to see we want people to have complete transparency now we want to make sure our money is protected. money in the private sector became very difficult to me had to give up a lot. the public was dying for stock, to buy stock in nikola so we decided let's go public early. even though we are a few months early, it normally companies would wait until they are right i