she was very close to reggie, her brother. i think she could have told my mom a lotabout him but asthey never had real conversations . my mom was terrified of her and my mom stopped speaking to her own mother, her 15 or so years, crucial years of her life and only reconnected with her mother towards the end of her mother's life and even thenthey never had a conversation about the trial . it was just like a cool breeze like nothing happened. >> i can't believe they never talked about the trial l. >> it's incredible and it's one of the huge credits of my mom's life. to have just sat down and talked about it. it's incredible. it's like the elephant inthe room . and it's so sad to me that that would have been so instrumental in my 11-year-old mom life to have been living with this great artist who could have said yes, come into my studio. let's just paint together and just paint in the corner and whatever and none of that ever happened . >> you don't think having been to some small degree raised by virtue had an influence in your

never went back to school. .. >> i mean, there's like two visuals i have of reggie in my mind. one, i have a lovely portrait that was sold off and bought back of it reggie when he was probably in his 20s and he's quite dashing and he's just like he's going to go out riding and i like that portrait very munch. he's a handsome man and cool that it's very like 19-- you know, tens or early 1900s. and i have-- i have a picture of his college dorm room at yale and of him as a kid in a carriage and he was handsome at stuff and a lot of the pictures of him by the time he marries my grandmother you know, he's a bloated and disfigured and just looks like a bore, i mean, he looks like someone who droned on at dinner about his horses which is apparently exactly what he did, so again, i-- there was no connection. nothing i felt in common with this person, you know. i went to the same college he did, but i'm sure as you know, i don't think he was much of a student. he obviously got in because the vanderbilts had history at the school and he got kicked out i think towards the end. there was a